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How Generation X Got the Shaft But Can Still Keep Everything From Sucking

By Helaine Olen, AlterNet. Posted March 22, 2008.


Gen X'ers don't deserve their slacker reputation, argues the author of X Saves the World. After all, they can boast Google and Barack Obama.
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Somewhere in between the ceaseless celebrations of the Baby Boomers turning 60 and the Millennial generation discovering they were suffering from a quarter-life crisis, the cultural powers that be forgot to take note of a major milestone: Generation X began to turn 40.

Molly Ringwald, of the quintessential Gen X film The Breakfast Club, celebrated her 40th birthday earlier this year. Prozac Nation author Elizabeth Wurtzel might well be spending her days taking notes on perimenopause -- she's turning 41 in July. And if Kurt Cobain were still alive, no one would be thinking of him as an angry young man. He would be 40-plus too.

Yet Generation X, those born roughly between 1965 and 1980 (it's worth noting that demographers disagree about the group's exact parameters, preferring to use the dates 1963 to 1977), remains forever young in the public imagination, still those 20-somethings sitting around Seattle and Austin grunge bars and coffee houses exchanging ironic witticisms about life and doing not much else with their time. "Somebody seems to have forgotten Generation X," writes Jeff Gordinier, author of the just released X Saves the World: How Generation X Got the Shaft but Can Still Keep Everything From Sucking. "The stodgy old species known as the 30-something has been shuttled off like Molly Ringwald herself, to some sort of Camp Limbo for demographic lepers."

Gordinier seeks to rescue Generation X from the shadows in this rollicking book. (Hint: if you don't think Gordinier is funny, read his hilarious take-down of a Newsweek article on Boomer friendships in his introduction), He revisits Gen X highlights from childhood in the inflation-ridden 1970s through slacking during the recession of the early 1990s to the dot-com boom and bust, and what came after. He looks at the careers of folks as disparate as director Paul Thomas Anderson and Meetup founder Scott Heiferman and his partners to prove that, well, Gen X doesn't deserve its slacker reputation. They work, those 30- and 40-somethings. They really do -- when they can get work, that is. Generation X, it seems, has a nasty habit of getting bushwhacked by bad economic conditions time and time again. Yes, they've produced a few Internet millionaires, but Census Bureau figures reveal that the men of Generation X are grossing less than their fathers at the same age. And if you think you detect a tone of slight bitterness in my reportorial voice, in the interests of full disclosure I admit to a birth date that marks me as a full-fledged member of Generation X.

Yet in his attempt to shill for a group that is genuinely in need of some good public relations, Gordinier lets some less than exemplary Gen X traits slide. When it comes to solipsistic spending, for example, Generation X puts Baby Boomers to shame. What other generation can claim to have made $1,000 architecturally inspired infant strollers and $5 cups of designer coffee into necessities? Gordinier could also have devoted more page space to the women of his generation, who are now on the forefront of the work/life balance debate.

Yet Gordinier is ultimately an optimist, believing Generation X is only now coming into its own as a true force for change. He points to a growing number of 30- and 40-something social activists, arguing that the sheer number of political, international, economic and environmental disasters that have occurred over the course of George W. Bush's presidency leaves Generation X with no choice but to begin to go about the business of fixing our society. In short, he believes the group will turn into the demographic equivalent of Winston Wolf, the clean-up character played by Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction:

We're equipped. We're wary enough to see through delusional "movements": we're old enough to feel a connection to the past (and yet we're unsentimental enough not to get all gooey about it); we're young enough to be wired; we're snotty enough not to settle for crap; we're resourceful enough to turn crap into gold; we're quiet enough to endure our labors on the margins. Beyond that, we're all we got. Nobody else is going to do it.
Gordinier's probably got a point. But this GenXer needs to make a stop at her local coffee house before she gets to work. I hear they have a great new South American blend, and I'd like to try it out. We 40-somethings need all the energy we can get, you know?

AlterNet met recently with Gordinier in his suburban New York City town to discuss what makes Generation X distinctive, if demography is destiny and which generation can legitimately claim Barack Obama as one of its own.


Helaine Olen: Why did you write this book?

Jeff Gordinier: One day I was looking out there, and the sun was going down over the Hudson River and these angels appeared. I realized the angels were Kurt Cobain and Tupac Shakur, and they spoke to me and they said, "Tell our story, Jeff! It's time!"

No, no. What happened was my son Toby was born on Jan. 27, 2006. My editor at Details called me at home when Toby was maybe a week or ten days old. I was really tired, frustrated and vulnerable. And he wanted something for the April issue. We were riffing about Generation X, I was whining and this screed poured out about the fucking crap culture and American Idol culture that I found so abhorrent. Whatever progress had been made in terms of fostering an alternative viewpoint in America, it failed miserably. The Generation X viewpoint had been marginalized.

Olen: What is the Gen X viewpoint?

Gordinier: I think the Gen X viewpoint is indirection. The Boomer and Millennial viewpoint is "I want to be in the fucking spotlight." Gen X'ers are uninterested in the spotlight. They're more interested in dodging it and doing good work quietly. I think there's a sort of comfort in the margins. Our influence on American culture has been in the shadows. It has been from the margins, even if we're talking about something as macro as Google. Its genesis was microcosmic.

Olen: Where do you think that comes from?

Gordinier: I think it's partly just because we're smaller. You know, we're sort of sandwiched between two larger demographic groups. We were marginalized from the start. But the first president I can remember is Nixon. The first war I can remember is Vietnam. That has to do a number on you when you're a kid. Oh, war. The war we've messed up. Oh, the president that resigned because he messed up. It sort of plants a seed of questioning, I guess.

And, let's be honest, punk rock has a lot to do with it. It just does. Not just the music but the sensibility. That attitude is so different than the Boomer attitude. The attitude of people like Jello Biafra and Johnny Rotten, so scabrous and questioning and unwilling to be pinned down, unwilling to be lumped in. That seems to be so much a part of the Gen X sensibility.

Olen: Is demography destiny?

Gordinier: It's weird the degree to which it seems to be, don't you think? Yet, people are unaware of how much they were formed by shared cultural influences. You know, whether it was just watching Gilligan's Island in reruns, or having some faint memory of Watergate and Vietnam, going through this phase in which a lot of people's parents got divorced, not in my case, but that's, I think, something that impacted a lot of X-ers.

I think a huge influence on us was the stock market crash of 1987, even though, maybe, at the time, you weren't even aware that it would be important. But I mean, that happened October 19, 1987; I graduated from college in 1988, so just a few months later, and lo and behold, I couldn't find work. That affects your sensibility. It changes what you expect. I mean, it's a little like my grandmother's Depression mentality.

Olen: One of the odd things I find is that when you say Gen X, people still envision a bunch of slackers hanging around a coffee shop in Seattle, in Austin. But Gen X'ers are well into their 40s. Why does this persist?

Gordinier: There's a kind of cut-and-paste media laziness to a lot of the coverage of things like this. I've been a slacker. I wasted my time. I drank beer, I played chess with old guys, I sat around, I wrote a couple pieces, but, you know, so I slacked. Who hasn't? It was good times. But for the most part, I was just unemployed, looking for work. I mean, I wasn't slacking. I wanted a job, you know? We had a hard time finding work. That's different than not wanting to work at all.

And how can you still even use the word "slacker" about the generation that created Google? I mean, Generation X has reinvented global business. We have. I mean, I haven't. If we're speaking collectively, we're talking about people who have changed the way the entire world does business. That's pretty big, and this kind of becomes absurd to continue to call those people "slackers."

Olen: You write in the book that the Internet reflects Gen X values ...

Gordinier: I think something like YouTube reflects Gen-X values. Craigslist, certainly. Wikipedia. Google. But instead of Gen-X values, why don't we talk about Gen-X head space. I think that, when you look at something like Wikipedia, something that's crowd-source like that, I mean, it reflects the same obsession with encyclopedic knowledge that, I think, a lot of Xers have. Instead of baseball statistics, a lot of X guys, for instance, are obsessed with Guided By Voices' B-sides. It's similar to me to a Tarantino movie, or a Beck song -- these pieces of art that are larded with cultural references, cultural allusions.

Olen: Yet, reading your book, it seems to me you think the dot-com boom was to Gen X what the apple was to Adam and Eve.

Gordinier: These dot-com guys, at the beginning, they were pretty cool. They were like punks. They were just true to themselves, and the companies that were created were based on cool "kill your idols" kind of ideas. So you couldn't hate them quite so much. It seemed like the right people were getting money. And -- it was just contagious. I think that there was this vast collective acknowledgement of money and sort of wanting money.

And I think the other thing is that, it's not just money itself. I think Gen X'ers, our alternative sensibility, in some ways, segued. We're tempted by all things small-batch, and microbrewed, and indie. Organic. Those are not bad things, but in some ways, they are a mask for the same Yuppie sensibility that afflicts the Boomers and the Millennials in a more mass way. So it leads down the same road, don't you think?

Olen: Just because it looks good or tastes good, it's still a $1,000 stroller or a $25 bottle of beer?

Gordinier: Yeah, we're all weak. Everybody has their vice.

Olen: So how is Gen X an alternative force in the culture? You could say Gen X has had amazing PR. We buy insanely expensive stuff, because it looks or tastes cool. We move to working class neighborhoods like Park Slope or Wicker Park and soon they are only working class neighborhoods in our heads because our arrival eventually ensures that the true working class can't afford to live there. How do you reconcile this -- if you can?

Gordinier: Well that's the great Generation X original sin, isn't it, that our own connoisseurship became corruption. That's a huge question. Everyone is susceptible to the Yuppie Virus. In a way, Gen X'ers are their own virus. It's true, that urge for the margins is partially what erodes the margins. It happened in Pasadena. When I was in high school, there was this whole area called Old Pasadena that changed my life. Where I grew up -- San Marino -- was really, really right-wing. Old Pasadena was like a Bukowski Wonderland. It was old dive bars with pockmarked drunks. It was literally porn shops. There was this place called the Espresso Bar. It was one of the first places I went where there were poetry readings, and they had this cool jukebox with Hank Williams and Johnny Cash and Husker Du. So Old Pasadena was like a refuge for those of us who were mods or punks or whatever the identification you had.

Old Pasadena is now Tiffany's and Pottery Barn and trattorias. We were unknowingly, as high school kids, the emissaries of gentrification. We carried the virus. But what do you do? I don't know; I'm not equipped with all the answers on this. It is the great conflictedness at the heart of the X experience, isn't it? It's a profound question you ask. Like I go back there now and I'm horrified. I can't go back to Old Pasadena anymore. I literally want to cry.

Olen: You say in the book that Barack Obama is a Gen X figure. How so?

Gordinier: Barack Obama is our people. I mean, he has a Gen X sensibility. Did you read Dreams From My Father? It's a remarkable book. It's so shockingly honest, and not just about drugs, or whatever. It's honest about dissent and his doubts about forms of protest. It's stunning to read that. When he was at Occidental College for a couple years, he attends and speaks at this rally against apartheid in South Africa, and midway through the rally, he's struck by this wave of doubt. He's not sure that he's accomplishing anything. He feels that members of the board of trustees of the college are looking out their windows laughing at them. He feels like there's a charade going on. That struck me as a Gen X sensibility. That line of thinking can lead to apathy and disengagement, but in his case, it certainly didn't.

Olen: You write about music, so I can't resist asking this. What do you think Kurt Cobain would be singing about if he were alive now?

Gordinier: I think that the idea of Kurt Cobain surviving is inconceivable. I mean, he was imprinted with death from the start. But here's a thing. Eddie Vedder, at the very height of Pearl Jam's commercial triumph, retreated. He retreated into, you know, seclusion. And he sort of became a temporary Howard Hughes. It turned out to be a brilliant move, both creatively and commercially. Pearl Jam, against all odds, survived. I'm not a huge Pearl Jam fan. But I'm impressed by what they've managed to do. I mean, they've come out on the other side of the '90s with their loyal fan base, they'll probably be making music for 25, 30 more years. So I have to believe that Kurt Cobain would've desired a similar course of action. But maybe that's applying too much heroism to him.

Olen: Talk about the Millennials for a minute. You do in the book ...

Gordinier: A few years ago, I visited Princeton. I was talking with some students there. And I was really shocked and appalled by their -- first of all, every single person was like, "Well, wait a second, why are you still a writer? Why aren't you the editor-in-chief now?" And they would actually say this to you. And I said, "Well, I don't actually aspire to be an editor-in-chief. I want to be a writer." "Well, why? I mean, isn't there more money being an editor-in-chief?" I mean, it was just inconceivable to them that I would choose the lesser-compensated option.

Olen: I'm going to take a counterpoint with you for a second. Yes, Millennials can be humorless, but they get off their goddamn asses. X'ers tend to be ironic and funny, but we can barely get off the couch. I was absolutely shamed during the New York primary a few weeks ago. These 20-somethings -- they were out on the street corners handing out Obama and Hillary literature. They were at my commuter rail station. What do they have that we don't?

Gordinier: Confidence.

Olen: Is that what it is?

Gordinier: And entitlement. The entitlement comes from this blind confidence they have. That, in a strange way, we have to envy. And we could probably use a little bit more of that. I think that entitlement that a lot of Millennials feel is attributable to not having crawled their way through the wreckage of some of the stock market meltdowns yet.

But I'm coming around a bit on the Millennials. I met a kid recently, a 24-year-old kid who's working for Do Something. And I was impressed by what he was doing. I was also put off by his robotic use of jargon, by his self-satisfaction, by his, like, "Yes, I'm doing something good for the world. Now I'm going to tell you all about it." As an X'er, I found it sort of distasteful. But maybe we could learn a little bit from that.

Olen: So how do you get X'ers off the couch? We are the original couch potatoes, after all.

Gordinier: Well, I think Barack Obama's doing it. And I think part of it has to do with the incredible suckitude of the last eight years. I mean, it's astonishing what we've been through. Wait, what the hell am I saying? I'm a Yuppie. I haven't been through it. But what we've witnessed. Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, Katrina, the erosion of civil liberties, I mean, it's -- regardless of what party you're with, or like, what political perspective you have, these have been really distressing years. And I think, for Gen X'ers I know who are Libertarians, or are kind of old-school liberals, it's been so troubling that they've -- felt themselves compelled to get up and do something.

Olen: So is that where X'ers are headed?

Gordinier: I remember when my wife and I saw the Democratic National Convention on TV in 2004, and Obama spoke, and I was crying. Shit. I mean, real tears. I cried. I was like, "Fuck! What's happening? This guy's awesome!" My wife said, "I'd follow this guy anywhere. I'd vote for this guy. Who is this guy?" It was just a remarkable speech. And then we thought, "We'll get burned. We'll get burned. Let's face it. Don't believe in this. You know, he's a cool guy, but let's not get all full of hope or anything. Hope is a trick."

I think that, not just Generation X, all sorts of people who are reflexively sarcastic suddenly feel compelled to put that aside. So when you say, "Where is Gen X headed?" Maybe that's where we're headed. Maybe we become sappier. Maybe we become a little less sarcastic for a while. I don't know. It's hard, though. I mean, what -- are we gonna put Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert out of work? What happens to Sarah Silverman?

Olen: So you don't think Generation X has peaked, the question you posed in your 2006 Details article that led to this book?

Gordinier: Nope. Strangely, I think we're just getting started. I actually think we're on the brink of new accomplishments, even though they might be quiet, under-the-radar accomplishments. And time is on our side, weirdly enough. I mean, look at it this way: Eventually, whether they'll admit it or not, the Boomers are going to die.

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Helaine Olen has written for the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, Salon and other publications. She is an associate editor at LiteraryMama.com.

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Every realize what the 'X' really means?
Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal on Mar 22, 2008 12:10 AM   
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MDMA. It was a marketing ploy.

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The Term Generation "X" was INVENTED by author Douglas Coupland
Posted by: Prairie Waif on Mar 22, 2008 4:40 AM   
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Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture is the genesis of the terminology Generation X.

Generation X is Canadian author Douglas Coupland's first foray into the publishing world (1991) and he has been around to develop aphorisms for our generation the same as The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has done.

Each book came out in paperback with a different colour of clouds on the top heading of the book's front. I've had blue, yellow and now pink and successive loans have not returned. Too tired are we to rise from the light beaming in our found cozy spot, it's not worth the struggle.

The introductory words on the inside cover:
"Finally . . . a frighteningly hilarious, voraciously readable salute to the generation born in the late 1950s and 1960s- a camera shy, suspiciously hushed generation known vaguely up to now as twentysomething.

Andy, Claire, and Dag, each in their twenties, have quit "pointless jobs done grudgingly to little applause" in their respective hometowns and cut themselves adrift on the California desert. In search of drastic changes that will lend meaning to their lives, they've mired themselves in the detritus of American cultural memory.

Refugees from history, the three develop an ascetic regime of story-telling, boozing, and working McJobs--"Low-pay, low-prestige, low-benefit, no-future jobs in the service industry." They create modern fables of love and death among the cosmetic surgery parlors and cocktail bars of Palm Springs, disturbingly funny tales of nuclear waste, historical overdosing and mall culture.

A dark snapshot of the trio's highly fortressed inner world quickly emerges-landscapes peppered with dead TV shows, "Elvis Moments," and semi-disposable Swedish furniture. And from these landscapes, deeper portraits emerge, those of fanatically independent individuals, pathologically ambivalent about the future and brimming with the unsatisfied longings for permanence, for love and for their own home.


The author of the article apparently hadn't done his research to learn where the terminology began, and it did begin with Coupland.

Funnily enough, Coupland was on the CBC recently discussing Gen Xer's at this point in their life cycle. He mentioned Grandparents having died or dying. He told how when his Grandmother died, they were allowed to choose anything they wanted from Grandma's house.

True to his roots, he chose a mobile that she had gotten for free with gas purchase coupons; it was a bunch of eyes of all different sizes that had an eerie effect with the slightest air current in the room. "Maybe I will catch Grandma's spirit."

Spoken like a True Gen Xer.

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» RE: Generation X was a Pop/Punk Band Posted by: left_libertarian
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Dying Laughing...
Posted by: grumble-bum on Mar 22, 2008 4:53 AM   
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"Eventually, whether they'll admit it or not, the Boomers are going to die."

Absolutely priceless, & a brutally honest encapsulation of the often self-satisfied & well, oblivious, aspect of the Boomer world-view.

When the time comes, it will make for a great series of bi-monthly Newsweek/Time/Rolling Stone cover articles.

I don't agree on all of the author's points (as presented in this interview, anyway), but it certainly is past time that my generation start getting a modicum of respect. Of course, it behooves us to keep the self-congratulation to a minimum, lest we fall into the nostalgia-pit our parents sometimes live in.

There are no generational absolutes, but it does seem fair to say that mine has evinced a trend towards late-blooming (I'm in my early 30's, & just now starting to find a focus). Not that we aren't in our own way passionate, or hard-working, but in the sense that it's taken a while for us to find way to combine passion with a paycheck.

I look around at many of my peers & see that we are (like any generation of people) finally coming into our own. It's just taken a lot of wandering in proverbial deserts & battling against our own disillusionment.

Don't worry, folks. Despite ourselves, there is hope here.

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Pondering
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 22, 2008 4:53 AM   
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It's impossible to be accurate with these articles that try to sum up generations and put them in boxes. But this one definitely got me thinking more than a lot of them. It's a fascinating topic.

It's hard to say why many Xers ended up so cynical. Boomers had the '68 and '72 elections, and the tragic deaths of many of their heroes, movements, and cultural icons, as well as the economic problems of the early '70s. They had a lot to be cynical about, yet they went on to be annoyingly naive and idealistic, thinking Reagan, materialism, and right-wing ideology would cure their blues. How's that working out, by the way?

A few minor economic downturns, scandals, and punk bands makes Xers too cynical to bother getting off the couch? I don't know...But something definitely did it to some of us, because I identify with a lot of the X sentiments described in this article and in Grunge culture. Maybe if you combine our own experience with our reflection on the Boomers' experience, it all adds up...I don't know.

For those of us who do fit the profile, I don't see that changing anytime soon, or that we're going to soften up and have more faith in changing things for the better. The depression analogy was pretty good: Were your grandparents still keeping money under the mattress 50-70 years after the Depression ended?

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Transcript error in the interview -- A note from the interviewer
Posted by: Helaine on Mar 22, 2008 6:04 AM   
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This is Helaine Olen, the interviewer for this piece. I need to correct an error in the transcript. Jeff said "fucking crap culture" in the first question. He did not NOT say fucking rap culture." I am trying to get this corrected as soon as possible and, hopefully, this comment will soon make no sense.

All I ask is that you don't blame the author of the book for this. You may feel free to blame the interviewer all you want.

Many apologies to all the readers of AlterNet for this fuck up.

Helaine

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Obama is part of Generation Jones, not GenX or Boomer
Posted by: WatchingTheParade on Mar 22, 2008 7:21 AM   
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Obama is not a GenXer. Nor is he "technically" a Boomer. What does that mean anyway..."technically"? There are no technical or official definitions of generations. Generations are determined by the subjective opinions of experts, primarily social scientists.

There has been a running debate in recent months about the correct generation of Obama. Increasingly, the conclusion has been that he's part of Generation Jones--the heretofore lost generation between the Boomers and Xers. The New York Times, CBS, Newsweek Magazine, and The Wall Street Journal have all run pieces in which they argued that Obama is, in fact, a member of Generation Jones. I recently heard a panel of experts on a radio show discuss this for an hour, and they concluded as well that Obama is a GeneJoneser.

When you study his bio, his worlview, his political stances, it becomes obvious that Obama is part of this long-lost generation finally coming into its own.

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My Perspective...
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Please see www.discussrace.com

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Boomer or X'er?
Posted by: NoKidding on Mar 22, 2008 7:58 AM   
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I was born in 1964. I always considered myself a Boomer, but now I may be of Gen X? I'm having an identity crisis! ;-)

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I must be an idiot
Posted by: hotdog on Mar 22, 2008 8:02 AM   
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to be writing on this thread. "Baby boom" is a demographically defined event from 1946-64. So Obama is baby boom. The guy born in 64 is on the cusp. Ask an astrologer what that means.

Does "Barack Obama [have] a Gen X sensibility"? Give me a break. so does Jesus and Buddha and Robert Downey Jr!

Want to make a difference on the planet? Stop consuming, stop believing in fairy tales, and get together with some friends or neighbors and do something.

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Espresso Bar? I was there too!
Posted by: NoKidding on Mar 22, 2008 8:21 AM   
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We probably crossed paths, Jeff. I used to hang out there in the alley in the mid '80s. Dean, Peter, Spencer, all old pals. No more Loch Ness Monster, just high-end boutiques. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. I still remember the original Pooh Bah's on Fair Oaks!

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"Generation X"; "Generation Y"; "The greatest Generation"; "Baby Boomers"
Posted by: joeunix on Mar 22, 2008 8:28 AM   
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Divide and conquer.

And you dummies keep falling for it, and falling for it.

It's called the "Hegelian dialectic."

Americans--sharp as marbles.

My people shame me.

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» :O Posted by: Scientz
» RE: O Posted by: joeunix
» RE: Nope, you miss the point (Burp `;^) Posted by: left_libertarian
» What comes after Gen Z? Posted by: joeunix
One thing about Gen-Xers....
Posted by: ankhet on Mar 22, 2008 9:48 AM   
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...they talk too much about nothing. so far - all style and no substance. Mindless lemminghood.
Nice to know that the generations that survived two world wars, a
Depression, and are now suffering the same sh*tty economic conditions as those poor poor Gen-Xers have spawned offspring that want nothing more than to see them dead.

Yes, there were 10 or 15 good years in that pile from 1912-2007, but it was just the luck of the draw for most of us to have been born into it - not complaining - grateful, feel lucky, yes. Gen-Xers for some inexplicable (look it up, it's not a brand of music player) reason - egotism? solipsism, narcissism? believe of themselves that they would have responded differently under the circumstances.

There are too many of you, and you're mere guppies. Maybeyou'll get eaten up by ther bigger fish in the tank. Stop whining. I hate food that whines.

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» You're right Posted by: joeunix
» You are one sick puppy Posted by: joeunix
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» RE: You are one sick puppy Posted by: ankhet
The Robin Williams Plan
Posted by: mindtrvlr on Mar 22, 2008 3:50 PM   
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The Plan!
?

Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says 'I love New York ' in Arabic.

You gotta love Robin Williams......Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.

Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to argue with this logic!)

'I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.'

1) 'The US will apologize to the world for our 'interference' in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good 'ole' boys', we will never 'interfere' again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany , South Korea , the Middle East , and the Philippines . They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave We'll give them a free trip ho me. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign 'students' ove r age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a 'D' and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not 'interfere.' They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us 'Ugly Americans' any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH..learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?

'The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddle d masses. ' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' '

If you agree with the above forward it to friends...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it!!

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Get Used To It!
Posted by: westomoon on Mar 22, 2008 6:01 PM   
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I loved this quote: "I was impressed by what he was doing. I was also put off by his robotic use of jargon, by his self-satisfaction, by his, like, "Yes, I'm doing something good for the world. Now I'm going to tell you all about it." As an X'er, I found it sort of distasteful."

I was born in 1948 -- make of that what you will -- and I've gotten used to the fact that everything that gets written by a self-identified Xer will contain a basic ration of unabashed whining. (The ones who don't whine also tend not to be real invested in the Gen X label.)

Rasps my nerves somethin' fierce, but I recognize that you have something to say within that slime coat of whine. If the generation after you Xers packages its thoughts in a way you find hard to take -- well, I guess they're doin' their job then, aren't they?

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This article is smug and condescending (not to mention a pile of crap)
Posted by: joeunix on Mar 22, 2008 7:20 PM   
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"After all, they can boast Google and Barack Obama."

As UNIX operating systems expert (Sr. UNIX Systems Administrator, with ample Linux, Solaris, AIX, and FreeBSD experience), I can tell you that Google was developed on a UNIX-like operating system (Linux). Granted, Linux was developed by Linux Torvalds and hundreds of others who worked in collaboration with him, one must remember that Torvalds merely emulated/copied the operating system, which was originally developed by two "baby boomers", Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie at AT&T.

Thus, Linux would not exist today without the pioneering work of the two "Baby boomer" geniuses, Thompson and Ritchie.

By the way, I was born in 1966, so I'm a Gen-Xer, and I have the highest respect and admiration for the "baby boomers". They were pioneers in many fields and they deserve our thanks and respect. Put simply, you would have nothing without them.

Moreover, don't be so smug, my fellow Gen-Xers, because without the work of Thompson and Ritchie, you wouldn't have the internet today.

So get off you high-horse and grow up; learn to show some respect for those whose work towers over your paltry achievements.

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Proud Ex-Texan

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» More typos (Burp) Posted by: joeunix
» Unix not invented by boomers. Posted by: johnclark
» GNU's not Unix Posted by: johnclark
» More bunk Posted by: joeunix
Barrack Obama is Gen X
Posted by: DrSteve on Mar 22, 2008 10:23 PM   
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Strauss and Howe, who wrote some great analysis of American Generations called GenX also the 13th generation, which they tagged as born in 61 and after.This Makes Obama an Early GenXer. The 64 date is one of those endlessly cut n paste dates journalists leech off each other that was basically a date demographers pinned when the birth rates started dropping (Birth Control!!Divorce American Style!!))Culturally however those born after 60 have little in common with their older boomer sibs. Obama's overall savvy staying above the the typical political media frenzy fostered on the 24 hour news channels is pure GenX.

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I'm Calling Bullsh*t
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 23, 2008 1:03 AM   
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First of all, Baby Boomers are not all the same. Someone like myself, brn in 1961 has little in common with the Boomer born in 1945 other than the fact that our parents were probably both of the WW II generation. When the Summer of Love was going on I was playing Little League Baseball and riding my bicycle to the beach. So much for lumping us all together.

Secondly, much of what the slackers like to lay at the feet of the Baby Boomer Generation is actually a gift given to all of us by the 'Greatest Generation' that came home from WWII to a very generous GI Bill of rights and the only major economy not devastated by WW II. 30 and out was something few, if any Boomers have ever seen- retiring on full pay and benefits after 30 years on the job. The WWII generation held on to the reins of power until Bill Clinton. From Eisenhower through George HW Bush, we were ruled by WW II vets, so don't blame the boomers for what was largely decided for them.

Third, the Slackers are in the process of getting the largest generational transfer of wealth the world has ever seen. As two-income Boomers retire with smaller families, the slacker kids are going to inherit a monstrous amount of money and property.

As to the endless bashing of the Boomers, think back and look at what they did actually do in their youth. The Civil Rights Movement, the 18 Year-Old Vote, the Gay Rights Movement, the Environmental Movement, the Organic Foods Movement, the Consumer Movement, the Anti-War (Vietnam) Movement, the Women's Movement, the Anti-Nuclear Power Movement and many other things taken for granted today were powered and peopled largely by the Baby Boomers so widely derided by the Slackers.

As you type your response on your computer, thank Baby Boomers like Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates and others who brought the personal computer to life. Thank Boomers like Tim Berners-Lee and others who turned DARPANET into the Internet. Thank Boomers like Al Gore who pushed to have this formerly DoD property turned over to the public and extended on a universal basis.

The rep the MSM has laid at the doorstep of the post WWII generation is largely undeserved and inaccurate.

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» RE: I'm Calling Bullsh*t Posted by: left_libertarian
As a boomer,
Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 23, 2008 6:15 AM   
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who is still out there protesting, I would like to see younger people out there demanding change from our horrible government, protesting the war, demanding reform, and actually voting.

If not, I would like to see a return of the draft. That motivated my generation, and would get the passive asses of this generation out of their parent's houses, either in the street or in Iraq. Which would you prefer?

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» RE: As a boomer, Posted by: NoPCZone
» We are not passive Posted by: Ghoulman
DON'T call me a 'slacker'
Posted by: Ghoulman on Mar 23, 2008 10:38 AM   
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As a 41 year old Gen-X veteran let me tell ya, I will smash your teeth out if you call me this name. It drives me crazy.

The term came around in the mid to late 90s, suggesting we as a generation were lazy. But who created the 'slacker' term? Anyone know??? Think about it.

The reality was that we are a generation overly educated but unable to find work other than the 'McJobs' the Yuppie Right Wing generation before us created thanks to Globalization/Free Trade. We also saw employment law deregulated to a legal equivalent of 19th century law.

In the typically cruel right wing corporate way of seeing things, it wasn't 'their' fault we couldn't get a real job, we were 'slackers'.

Pisses me right off, I can tell you.

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» RE: boomers got the money Posted by: Ghoulman
Missing Time in Night Club
Posted by: DeaconJ on Mar 23, 2008 1:58 PM   
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Ironic this article surfaces after an odd observation
my wife and I had at a trendy dance club. This DJ
started off the set with tacky 70's and early 80's and
then jumped way forward to present dance songs. Seems
the mid eighties and all of the 90's were irrelevant.

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Obama is a Baby Boomer
Posted by: clocksmith on Mar 23, 2008 3:56 PM   
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The Baby Boom Years have always been recognized as 1946 through, and including, 1964. Obama was born on August 4, 1961.

So stop trying to steal him and suddenly make him part of the Gen X group. Bad enough we Boomers have to claim Baby Bush as part of our generation!

I was born in 1958 and feel that I don't have much in common with people born in, say, 1946 but that does not change the fact that I am part of this generational group. My oldest son was born in 1980 and probably has nothing in common with someone born in 1965 but they are both part of the same generation, like it or not. Please stop trying to rewrite the rules!

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» RE: Obama is a Baby Boomer Posted by: DrSteve
Slacker
Posted by: johnclark on Mar 23, 2008 9:27 PM   
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Richard Linklater's first film. Big time X'er piece.

It's also really, really funny reading the boomers, too. I just love how they try to say Obama is one of them (just to bring him down). Both HRC & Edwards called him a "young man" on MLK day. When did the boomers re-define middle age 'cause I didn't get the memo?

Generation X was the first book I read about us. Just about everything by & about us up to that point was in zines (look it up, boomers).

I'll get "X Saves the World" in hardcover as soon as the paperback comes out (as we X'ers ain't got the money to pay full price).

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Ass-fucked by boomers: millennials and Gen-X
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 24, 2008 2:12 AM   
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Let's face it: it is a waste of time to pitch millennials against Gen-X for a simple reason: both are being demographically ass-fucked by boomers. Boomers brought you the Iraq war, and now the credit crunch. They also invented yuppies and turned America's cities into 'the jungle' as Guns and Roses called it.

As for that carpetbagger of demographic literature, Douglas Coupland: stop giving him credit for the term Gen-X. Gen-X as a concept and term has been around for a lot longer than his pathetically weak and boring work, Gen-X. For example, Billy Idol called his band Gen-X (it was supposed to be the punk generation).

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» One Texas retort, coming up Posted by: joeunix
joeunix........give it a break
Posted by: Smiggsy on Mar 24, 2008 11:10 AM   
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WTF?.....

Really......can you stop attacking every second post on this thread....it gives one the impression that you're a mentally disturbed skitso of the highest order.

We know you're a genius software geek with little self esteem, & no matter how many times you tell it - nobody else gives a rat's ass what year you were born.

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Generation Zero
Posted by: hole11 on Mar 24, 2008 8:55 PM   
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That's what a generation X is supposed to be. It's a reset generation. All these others before us got it pretty damn good.

The so called greatest generation got the best deal. They are still alive and getting social security though they didn't pay that much into it.

The boomers got all the jobs. They pay for the greatest generation even to this day. Now the jobs are dwindling and they are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel next to the brick wall.

Generation zero is the left out generation. No jobs unless they went to college or to the military (thanks Reagan). Under represented in politics everyone just tell us to take a hike.

The Pepsi generation or whatever is after 1980 is what everyone is selling to now. Ask yourself if you are even thinking about going to the movie in the past year. Or are you worried about Britney Spears and her new show or screwed up life?

This article starts out fairly good about remembering Watergate, Vietnam and tricky dick but then something happens, there isn't any proof that Generation X is doing anything to save the day. Might as well say China is going to save us with the same points.

Dropping to the stock market burp in 87? As if Generation X were stock holders? Stupid. What should have been brought up is riots, FEMA, Savings and Loan crisis, and that Generation X is the left out passed over and forgotten generation. A book isn't going to change that.

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» RE: Generation Zero Posted by: fefu
myths, facts, points
Posted by: rclord on Mar 25, 2008 1:13 AM   
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MYTH:
Many boomers think they invented rock'n'roll. At least, that seems to be their attitude.
FACT:
Rock 'n' roll was not invented by the boomers, but the Silent Generation. Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, and Jerry Lee Lewis were born during the Depression. And Chuck Berry was born in 1926.

- George Bush (born 1946) is a baby boomer. So are Bill and Hillary Clinton. And they all supported the Iraq War. Hillary was on the board of Wal-Mart in the late 80s and early 90s. Bill and Hillary still support the Iraq war, even though they pretend otherwise in order to get more votes for Hillary's campaign.

These are just three examples of many prominent boomers who've pretended to be liberal but really turned out to care more about money and prestige than anything else. Yes, they really set a great example for later generations to follow, didn't they?

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Cam1
Posted by: cami0 on Mar 27, 2008 11:06 AM   
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WOW! I'm curious as to what label to give myself. Maybe you can help me out...

Born in 1973, I'm a single, proud parent, with a wonderful mom who helps with child care, that i couldn't afford otherwise.
Being from small, rural, economically-depressed region in beautiful SouthEastern Ky, I have an affinity for NATURE & PROTEST THE RAPE/ MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL of APPALACHIA for CHEAP COAL for the NATION'S ELECTRICITY NEEDS... No one seems to care about the people here, as they are treated like a DISPOSABLE POPULATION, regardless of age.

I've had some college, but couldn't afford to finish, so, i became a 'bartender/caterer for a decade... I eventually attained professional training & am now a Licensed Massage Therapist.
(specializing 'in-home therapy' to cater to the retiring boomers, as they won't likely go into nursing homes.) I love my career, as i help others heal themselves holistically, while providing flexibility in scheduling, so that i can pursue my other hobby;

VOLUNTEERING with the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Team...( 3500+ hours since fall'05, including 14 weeks in New Orleans after Katrina,,,FYI; UNACCEPTABLE FAILURE ON EVERY LEVEL: LOCAL, STATE & FEDERAL)

I believe in REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE, guns, separation of church (I DON'T NEED AN INTERPRETOR TO COMMUNICATE WITH A HIGHER POWER) & state, gay rights/unions, PERSONAL LIBERTIES, MUCH,MUCH SMALLER GOVERNMENT, THE CHOICE to prefer ALL NATURAL HERBS to 'FRANKENSCIENCE' BIG PHARMA 'SIN'THETICS', INDEPENDENCE...

All i need for contentment is HEALTH, HAPPINESS & HOPE...
So, what are my labels? I'd like to know what label to give myself/ ideals, so, i can properly identify myself...
I'm certain I'll receive interesting responses from the varied opinions floating @ Alternet...
Thank you for your time & consideration...

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Obama an Xer from the horse mouth
Posted by: DrSteve on Mar 27, 2008 11:41 PM   
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Obama's book The Audacity of Hope makes it clear just whom he's calling old: "In the back-and-forth between Clinton and Gingrich, and in the elections of 2000 and 2004, I sometimes felt as if I were watching the psychodrama of the baby boom generation -- a tale rooted in old grudges and revenge plots hatched on a handful of college campuses long ago -- played out on the national stage," writes Obama. It's a theme he's returned to with increasing frequency lately. "There's no doubt that we represent the kind of change Senator Clinton can't deliver on. And part of it's generational," Obama told Fox News in early November. "Senator Clinton and others have been fighting some of the same fights since the '60s. It makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done."

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