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Obama Offers a Progressive Vision of Patriotism

By Drew Westen, Huffington Post. Posted March 21, 2008.


Obama's brilliant discussion of race, class and patriotism shows substance unlike any politician in recent history.

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I watched Barack Obama's speech Tuesday morning intently. The "pre-game show" of cable commentators predicted a somewhat grim outcome. What could Obama say that could possibly overcome his association with the words of his pastor, Jeremiah Wright? Would he throw his pastor on the train tracks? And even if he did, would he still suffer from guilt by association?

But then, for 45 minutes, I saw a man who for days had appeared somewhat at sea, buffeted by waves that relentlessly pushed him off course, seem to find his compass and chart a course directly into the eye of the storm. I saw a man with the inner confidence, and the steadiness of a captain who knew he was sailing on uncharted waters but needed to go there anyway, take the nation with him and land them safely on the shore.

The pundits were clearly stunned. They knew they had witnessed something extraordinary, a moment when time seemed to stand still and a politician in the midst of a withering electoral storm did the unspeakable: he spoke the truth. The unspoken, unspeakable truth. He told the nation that he understood what was happening in white barber shops and black barber shops, around white water coolers and black water coolers, and that we are neither free from our prejudices nor merely prejudiced in our respective grievances, and that in both our prejudices and our grievances, we have more in common than we know.

With the exception of commentators who pride themselves on their bigotry, the speech drew immediate, nearly universal acclaim, and I suspect that its lasting impact will mirror its initial impact. But as the great French sociologist Emil Durkheim described it, we live our lives in the realm of the profane, punctuated by moments of sanctity, only to return again to everyday life. And by nightfall, as I listened to reports of the speech on television, many of the talking heads had returned to the realm of the literal, the crass, and the profane: Did he distance himself enough from Reverend Wright? Did he condemn his former pastor enough to reassure white voters?

But the speech wasn't about Reverend Wright, even though the controversy surrounding pieces of his sermons was the impetus for it. Obama delivered a message that spoke to the conflicts and contradictions around race that have existed since the earliest days of this nation, and he delivered it in a personal way that spoke to his own history and his own complex response to his pastor's messages over many years. The speech brought to mind a passage written by the psychoanalyst Erik Erikson a half century ago in his psychobiography of Martin Luther, which could just as easily have been written last night. Erikson was describing that ineffable quality we call charisma, and the way an individual life history sometimes converges with the historical moment: "Now and again," Erikson wrote, "an individual is called upon (called upon by whom, only theologians claim to know, and by what only bad psychologists)," to lift his personal conflicts to the level of cultural conflicts, "and to try to solve for all what he could not solve for himself alone."

Obama clearly hadn't wanted to make this election about race. But the events of the last week led him to do what the nation has long needed to do: to have the kind of open conversation about race that Republicans have avoided because they've preferred to exploit it and Democrats have avoided because they've tended to fear it. We can't solve problems we can't talk about, and our better angels on race tend to be our conscious values. As numerous commentators described it, Obama led us to our better angels.

But from a political standpoint, at least as important as the primary message of his speech was a series of meta-messages he conveyed as much through his actions as his words. Obama's speech was in many respects a rejoinder to a number of questions raised about him over the last few weeks that contributed to defeats in Ohio and Texas.


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Let's Apply a Similar Methodology on a Broader Scale
Posted by: skizum on Mar 21, 2008 1:46 AM   
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Obama’s recent speech on race and politics resonates well with people from all walks of life. I know it hit a special note with me, being of tri-racial (black, white and native american) ancestry. This is true because he is able to illustrate some commonly shared experiences thus allowing us to gain a more compassionate perspective of the other. This, in turn, opens the door for us to recognize some common or dare I say, inherent truths, regarding the racial discourse prevalent in our society. When we realize that these truths are common for others outside ourselves then we are more open to self examination and change based on shared compassion.

While race relations are a critical issue to address in an honest fashion there is a much more fundamental issue at the root of the problem; Human Nature. This is the topic that we urgently need to understand and learn to effective deal with. There are many truths relating to our human nature and nurture, that when exposed, can contribute in very real ways to our re-examination of self and, in turn, impact the future path of human civilization.

Human nature is inescapable and fundamentally at the root of solving so many of the world’s problems. We find ourselves at an important crossroad of having longer life spans, better ways to control disease, more leisure time, instantaneous global communication and a wealth of recorded history of human experiment… VS …the ability to destroy ourselves very quickly or a bit slower, a path that we are currently and predictably on.

Allow me to broadly de-construct this issue a bit…Why do we have an aggressively growing gap between haves and have-nots nationally and globally? Why do we fight wars over resources? Why do the elite power brokers manipulate and deceive to consolidate more power? Why do employers cut benefits to raise their own profits? Why is the one economic scam or bubble bursting after another in increasing frequency?

I could go on asking 100 more similar questions and there will be a common answer to them all. These practices stem from one of most primal motivations integral to not only to human nature but animal nature as well…The need to dominate.

Most mammals establish social order through dominance. Let’s use the example of gorillas for the moment. The dominant alpha male establishes dominance through brute force so that he can have controlling access to territory, food, water, mating preference and so on. You can substitute many specific mammals into this model including humans.

In the case of humans, we have a much more developed sense of intellect, communication and technology to create many layers of complexity to camouflage our primal drive to dominate. Not only do we gain power through the enhanced brute force of armaments but we have developed languages which can be grossly malleable in meaning and rationale, susceptible to manipulation and control.

It is important for me to note that the need to dominate is not the only part of human nature we need to pay attention to but it certainly is a good place to start. There are many other specific behavioral elements of the human condition that are common to us all.

We need to put a greater effort into identifying, verifying, disseminating an understanding of, assessing our individual and societal balance of the funamental elements of our own human nature. In effect, we need to come clean with reality and utilize our intellect and survival instinct to overcome our need to dominate as individuals.

I am proposing a broad based participatory project called the Universal Humane Needs Assessment that may be able to catalyze a massive shift in consciousness we so desperately need not just here in America but the whole world over...

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» oh yeah? Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» no, that would be you Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» it's Kaptain, to YOU Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» OK, OK, OK.... Posted by: skizum
» pfft! like that will happen Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» Clarification of Concept Posted by: skizum
The real Obama
Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 21, 2008 2:53 AM   
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I , like many watched the speech intently as well.

I had written Obama off after the Wright issue because Wright represents and perpetuates one of the fundamental problems in this country, racism. He strives, in his black separatist church, to remind blacks that they are different than whites and to practice racism. Where is Al Sharpton's voice. did he spend it on the Imus issue.

Well, after the speech, I again had hope for Obama, well delivered and a stirring message. But then I noticed something that many seem to miss.. He lied about hearing his pastor make those horrible rants throughout the 20 years at the church. He glossed over that one pretty quick.

But I figure, all politicians lie, Obama is no exception. I would still vote for him, though I am now more skeptical of him. The gloss has worn off and what we have is a politician from Chicago, historically the worst kind!

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Obama didn't lie
Posted by: The Debator on Mar 21, 2008 3:34 AM   
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Obama didn't lie - he said he had not heard those particular sermons but he acknowledged he had heard Wright sometimes say incendiary things on the pulpit - just not the things that were the topic of those You Tube videos - so you can't call that a lie. You also can't ask a man to divorce himself from a community because it is politically expedient. I would judge a man who did so as callous, self-serving and cruel.

No, Wright was attacked so that it would precisely put Obama in between a rock and a hard place - a lose lose situation. Given that choice Obama chose the noble option.

And how could you possibly say that having Wright as a pastor automatically means that Obama must believe everything that Wright says? Have you been asleep this primary season? Obama is a very intelligent man with a diversity in his heritage and upbringing that makes him unique from Wright.

But here is the bigger warning sign for everyone. In the midst of this pile up on Obama by both the Clinton campaign and the Republicans we learn that Murdoch, owner of Fox News, supports Clinton. We see Karl Rove go on Fox and sing to Clinton's tune regarding FL and MI - but more generally singing to her tune.

Do people want change over what has happened for the last 8 years? Because with Murdoch and Rove backing Clinton the writing is on the wall that both Clinton and McCain are candidates of choice for the people that have been taking so coldly from Americans and both are trying to push out the only candidate who is actually there for the American people.

It might have escaped the notice of those easily distracted but you also need to remember that Clinton is in a position where she cannot win the popular vote or the nomination by legitimate means. There were things she needed to accomplish in OH and TX and she did not do so sufficiently. Therefore, the reality now is that the ONLY WAY Clinton could get this nomination is to DESTROY the character of Obama. Her continued presence in this race, therefore, is clear evidence that this is precisely what she is trying to do. Sweetness and light on the surface but things are dirty underneath. Don't let her get away with it!

America is where it is today because of swiftboating tactics and media manipulations in the past - please don't fall for it again!!!!!

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Mar 21, 2008 4:42 AM   
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As as European I have long seen that only Obama offers the real change in US Foreign Policy that we without a vote on our future (our European Union having no real political voice on the world stage) need so desperately if the West is to recover from the worldwide catastrophe of the GW Bush years. Namely a return to cooperation and an end to endless confrontation (even with us, America's allies). But though seeing him as by far the best option for the US and for Europeans, I have doubted his ability to be a statesman and not just be another smart guy politician. But Obama's speech was that of a true - and potentially in future - a great statesman. He told it like it is.

Now, dear American friends who want your great country to recover from its disastrous and shameful trip-up during the last 8 years, please go out and vote for your potential man of destiny. Hillary and McCain are yesterday's politicians - they cannot rise to the challenges GW Bush has left for his sucessor.

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» RE: dipconsult Posted by: pinkfloyd65
Government contract employees caught spying on Obama's records
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 21, 2008 4:50 AM   
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Claims of dirty tricks after security breach on Obama passport details, 21 March 2008

"A major security breach has occurred involving Barack Obama's confidential passport details. Two State Department employees have been fired and another suspended following an investigation, which began after it was learned that his computer file had been accessed."

"The security breach has echoes of other Republican dirty tricks operations. Mr Obama's confidential files were first accessed after he defeated Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucus at the beginning of January."

"There were three separate breaches of security detected; the most recent last Friday. "This is an outrageous breach of security and privacy," Mr Obama's spokesman Bill Burton said last night, warning the Bush administration that it had a responsibility and duty to protect private information and not use it for political purposes."


So far the State Department has refused to release the names of the individuals involved! Looks like the dirty tricks crew got caught with their pants down, once again.

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I'm ashamed of the left press
Posted by: pdecarlo on Mar 21, 2008 5:47 AM   
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Patriotism is never progressive.

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» RE: I'm ashamed of the left press Posted by: Morgaine Swann
waypasthadenough
Posted by: waypasthadenough on Mar 21, 2008 6:09 AM   
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"Progressives" are "Liberals" which are communists, socialists, authoritarians so they cannot be 'patriots.' They are evil and should be hunted. Obamacommie should be arrested, tried for treason and executed, based on his voting record, as should Hiterly and McCommie.

America needs "Liberal" season in the worst way.

go here:

http://www.willowtown.com/reality/blacksburg.htm

to see what the "Liberal" cancer will do to our country, as it has already done to England.

We don't tolerate cancer, so why do we tolerate "Liberals?"

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» RE: waypasthadenough Posted by: toots
» you, sir, are no patriot Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
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» RE: waypasthadenough Posted by: liber8US
What is a patriot, anyway?
Posted by: Centavo on Mar 21, 2008 6:41 AM   
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A patriot is a herd animal, a political idolator, who travels in many guises.

And if one does not think as the herd thinks, one is not a patriot however one labels oneself: progressive, liberal, conservative, socialist, American, British, Chinese, Kenyan, etc.

A patriot thinks and acts the way the aspiring patriot thinks everyone else thinks and acts, who believe themselves patriotic, loyal to the cause, belief system, rhetoric.

And, if you cross the boundaries of sanctioned groupthink, no matter which camp you are in you, you will be smeared, marginalized, tarred and feathered, libeled, and trotted about like a curious, aberrant exception to the mob. There is no such thing as honest discussion, or independent thought without incurring the wrath of the propagandized. And if you think you haven't been, you should think again.

Obama is a patriot that is for sure. He is loyal to the cause, carrying the flag for one side of the coin, of one party rule, here in these United States. If he weren't, we never would have heard of him. Obama is a Trojan horse, like Chomsky.

If you think anything will change were Obama miraculously elected, you dear reader, are sorely dreaming. The responsibility of waking you from the tyranny of your slumber, is yours alone.

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Clinton needs to fold her tent
Posted by: daw13 on Mar 21, 2008 6:49 AM   
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Obama has truly risen to the occasion. He has polarized the country. Those consumed by fear vs those who can take risks He's acknowledging both black anger and white angst, and saying both need to be taken seriously. But NOT in the old ways.

This is monumental and unprecented. He's appealing to people in opposite terms of Clinton. She's saying, IT'S ABOUT ELECTING A PRESIDENT WHO CAN KEEP A BAD SITUATION FROM GETTNG WORSE. He's saying, IT'S ABOUT ELECTING A PRESIDENT WHO WANTS TO CHANGE THE SITUATION ENTIRELY. She appeals to fear. He appeals to courage. She appeals to cyncism. He appeals to hope.
It's no accident that Clinton has shucked her leader-of-the-little-people-seeking-relief overalls in favor of her commander-in-chief costume. It's what her handlers' endless focus-grouping tell them will play best with a public stuck in their little pissant mindsets. That's how they see us. Obama's campaign makes the opposite assumption. His people assume we're confused and anxious. But not small. We have the capacity to rise to the occasion. As he has.

Yes he's flawed. Yes he's still wrong on foreign policy to some degree. But we're all flawed. Flawed real people can still come up with great ideas. Flawed real people can grow. If the Clinton people, who assume the opposite, are right, then Obama loses. But Clinton does not win.

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» Agreed! Obama must lose! Posted by: democracynowiniraq
Patriotism for all
Posted by: purereason on Mar 21, 2008 6:55 AM   
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First of all patriotism must be defined for the elected rulers, and then only the citizens can be expected to support the rulers. For the rulers patriotism means using the wealth of the nation for the welfare of the citizens, helping them manage life meaningfully (crime, punishment, human consciousness,... are dealt here), managing the affairs of the nation to such an effect that the prestige of the nation is kept high... If this is applied to our present rulers they must be behind the bars.

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here today gone tomarrow
Posted by: solrev on Mar 21, 2008 7:03 AM   
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The civil rights act could only effect institutionalized racism, personal or individual racism is a learned behavior and passing a law cannot change individual learned behavior. My philosophy of change requires three generations, one to think it, one to learn it, and one to live it. The civil rights movement was only the think it generation. The live it generation is only now in grade school and yet to be born. Obama is a part of the learn it generation. If Americans face the points that Obama outline as learned behaviors, only then can those learned behaviors be changed. Unfortunately, the repuk media mouths can only replay the sound bites in an attempt to divide the country along ratio lines. These sound bites can only justify and give a racist a reason not to vote for Obama. The racist has already learned and was never going to support Obama. They already had a reason. Obama in the end will lose nothing and gain a lot from the present situation, because these sound bites also reinforce the learn it generation attitude. The media mouths really underestimate the number of the learn it generation who have already discarded their racial behaviors. As the learn it generation ponders the situation many will cast off their remaining racial attitudes. The live it generation will benefit greatly from Obama’s presence.

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Obama certainly is a proponent of American Exceptionalism
Posted by: chlamor on Mar 21, 2008 7:14 AM   
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The Audacity of Reaction

By Paul Street

THE DENOUNCER: DON’T “DISPARAGE OUR GREAT COUNTRY”

As I’ve been saying since one day after the 2004 speech that made him the leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, Barack Obama is a walking delusion and deception machine. Here’s the latest from the self-declared “American exceptionalist” Obama, the supposed “progressive” peacenick and civil libertarian who holds such a powerful death grip on the hopes, hearts and minds of millions of liberal and other Americans: “I categorically denounce any statement,” Obama proclaims, “that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies.” This lovely statement can be found on The Huffington Post (March 14, 2008) at
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Wow. This stark and sweeping utterance came in response to the public release and broadcast by numerous television stations of “inflammatory” (Obama says) statements made by his longtime South Side Chicago pastor Jeremiah Wright. Besides denouncing the “United States of White America” for advancing and being “based upon” racism past and present, Rev. Wright ruffled the feathers of imperial and nationally narcissistic political correctness by having said the following (millions of media consumers have recently learned) on the Sunday after the terror attacks of 9/11: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africa, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

...

But the claim to “denounce any statement that disparages our great country” is a little too over the top even for the audacious Obama, who takes special delight in saying remarkably reactionary things even while pandering to the left. It carries extremist rightward and nationalist implications that ought to send a chill down the spines of anyone who wishes to see the rescue and expansion of a democratic political culture in a nation that has been slipping further and further into a form of what the prolific left political analyst Charles Derber calls "Fascism Lite." Such a culture requires honest and comprehensive scrutiny of existing national and social structures, policies, and practices. It privileges critical thinking and candid societal self-examination over blind obedience to flag, blood, and soil. It values rigorous truth-seeking and truth-telling over the often negative and authoritarian reference group that is the Nation State. It expects a nation's defenders to respond to criticism of that nation's policies or social structures or culture (or fill in the blank) with reasoned argument, not cold and "categorical" DENUNCIATION.

More here:
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My perspective...
Posted by: dave16 on Mar 21, 2008 7:20 AM   
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Please see www.discussrace.com

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We are so used to gruel, that a bit of
Posted by: FeralCat on Mar 21, 2008 7:17 AM   
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spice or a dash of salt makes us think we are eating steak. What passes for intelligent discourse in politics now is weak tea.

I heard Dr. Westen speak once and he rhapsodized about Dr. King's "I have a dream speech". I had also heard Jesse Jackson speak about that speech and Jesse's address brought me to tears. Jesse said the speech was originally about broken promises, but the apeech was softened and Dr. King deliberately ended on a message of "hope" so as not to depress those who came to Washington. But Jesse then said that the promises were still broken ones with nothing being done 40 years later.

I too know a bit about psychology. People yearn to be seen and heard. And white people got what they hoped for in this speech. Yes, my Dad moved us to a better neighborhood to avoid bussing and the whole problem.

Fine. But now what? What will Obama ask us to do now? Fight for a National health care plan that will finally prove that "we are all in this together"? Or continue to tell us that we are all on our own and that only our individual will is screwing us up? Give us one thing to fight for. Give us one big idea for his first 100 days in office other than basking in his victory and watching him go to parties like we did with JFK. Basking in somebody else's glow is so Hollywood.
Give me some meat.

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Who was Obama talking to/
Posted by: zengei on Mar 21, 2008 8:09 AM   
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..Obama said.....".But the remarks (Pastor Wright's) that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam."

So Obama is saying that racism ISN"T endemic in the US.He should come to Maine and New Hampshire. One of my best liberal friends told me last week .."I am not a bigot, but I can't vote for a jiggaboo." I reminded him that I was a member of the NAACP.

And Obama is saying that the Nazi like tactics of Israel and Israel's starving of the children of Palestine and the stealing of Palestinian land is irrelevant?????

So if Canada invaded the US.....Obama would blame the US for fighting back...Weird logic.....

I wish the politicians would address issues...not just put forth their profiles....

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media bias on preachers
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Mar 21, 2008 8:14 AM   
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What gets me about this whole thing is how the media doesn't seem to realize that the sayings of Hagee, Robertson, and all the other gas bag fundamentalists are even more offensive.

Crazy Christian fundamentalists are as American as apple pie, but a black preacher being honest and bitter is SO AWFUL!

Watching the media paint this picture disgusts me.

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Obama untested...like Lincoln
Posted by: EricR11 on Mar 21, 2008 8:18 AM   
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Certainly Obama can be criticized, dissected and picked apart, just like any other good or bad politician - we're all very good at doing that kind of thing these days, it seems - primarily because of the notion that he's untested, inexperienced, out of touch, doesn't get the realities of D.C. or world affairs, etc.

Seems like that reminds me of another untested Illinois congressman who was also interested in saving his country and healing a great divide around this very same issue. Maybe it's because like Lincoln Obama is daring to go honestly into a troubling volatile issue, and examine its consequences with all of us, for the betterment of his nation, that he's getting such vitriol and invective levelled at him.

His Tuesday speech actually reminded me of some of the content in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, where Lincoln continued to respectfully acknowledge and receive Douglas' attacks, understand them, point out where they missed the mark or misled the voters in his opinion, and fervently appeal to a larger discussion, under saving the union as envisioned by the country's founders. The exact same could be said about Obama's response to his detractors and his call for building bridges to heal and unify the country at a critically divisive time. And like Lincoln, without any disrespect for anyone, not his former pastor, not his opponents or enemies even.

(although who today would be Douglas to Obama's Lincoln? hmmm....)

It reminded me that and the ability to inspire and persuade can be used to open the hearts and minds of others, instead of stratifying and closing them off. Good medicine for the strong bought of cynicism that we've all got in droves these days.

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» ?? Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» idiot Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel
Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 21, 2008 9:04 AM   
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Samuel Johnson.

Amazing how so many people who wrap themselves up in the flag are the worst sort of criminals. These people are sheep, easily accepting whatever lies that are given them because it's easier not to think or to question, even though the founding fathers extolled the public to educate themselves and to question authority.

When I see so-called "patriotism" these days, I see Leni Reifenshtahl's (sorry about the misspelling here) black and white images of thousands of smiling Germans cheering Adolf Hitler and completely unconcerned that millions of their fellow countrymen, women and children are being systematically murdered. The real patriots went underground or were victims of those mass murders.

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Nice Speech...Who Wrote It?
Posted by: Athy on Mar 21, 2008 9:34 AM   
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I was worried when I heard Sen Obama's latest speech. What he said only confirmed what I have discovered- his words and his actions are a study of contradictions.

People need to focus on Sen Obama’s actions…not his words.
Obama- A uniter ? You decide….
He hired his campaign manager-David Axelrod-who has made a niche for himself by marketing black candidates-
Obama team promotes racial division so Obama gets the sympathetic whites & angry black votes.

The New Republic
The New Republic, "Race Man" by Sean Wilentz

The Nation
The Nation, "Obama"s Media Maven" by Chrisptoher Hayes. 2/19/08 issue




Reason why conservatives & republicans LOVE HIM is because he VOTES on major issues like they do-against the middle class. see vote analysis.

Sen Obama cares about poverty and the middle class? He has sabotaged efforts in Congress to pass bills that support the middles class. Sen Obama has been called a Liberal, Progressive Democrat? Based on what? You decide…

beyondchron
Beyondchron.org, The Obama Craze: Count Me out “ by Matt Gonzalez 2/27/08

The Nation

The Nation, “Subprime Obama” by Max Fraser 1/24/08 Post 2/11/08 issue

Mother Jones
Mother Jones, “ I am Barack Obama” by Mark Winston Griffith 3/17/08

Nice speech...maybe. Truthful speech...no...not based upon Sen Obama's actions.

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Just answer the question……..
Posted by: Just The Facts on Mar 21, 2008 10:16 AM   
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Americans just asked the obvious question: Why did the presumptive nominee spend so many years under the spiritual tutelage of someone who is a Christian version of Minister Farrakahn?

Would any of you posting here have done the same? Well if so you have found your candidate.

Thank you Sen. Obama for the unsolicited speech on race relations and congratulations on a well performed diversion.

Regards

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Obama fighting for a larger discourse
Posted by: EricR11 on Mar 21, 2008 12:46 PM   
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Well then...here's another obvious question:
Why is a candidate giving mere lip service to the rules of her party's nomination process and then doing everything behind the scenes to backstab, go around and debunk its rules in at least 4 or more states?

Another obvious question:
Why is a longtime vocal opponent of W. Bush's suddenly getting showered with endorsements from his former rival and doing everything in lock step with the current Administration, including taking special flag-waving flights to Iraq before even being officially nominated by his own party?

Seems to me Obama is trying to elevate the discussion here for our country's sake, which requires open about the complexities and weaknesses of being human, himself and everyone else - or have we all become so suspicious and cynical about anyone running for office that we couldn't hear someone delivering us an honest message regardless of what might do to his own campaign?

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Rulers Fear Unity Not Obama
Posted by: malcolmartin on Mar 21, 2008 2:15 PM   
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First Obama was ambushed in a nationally televised debate and challenged to reject and condemn Minister Louis Farrakhan. Minister Farrakhan had dared to say about Barak Obama, “This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better.” The demand that the intellectual author and leader of the redemptive Million Man March be denounced came from the minds of men who would see Obama dead before they would see him president but “this young man” bowed to them.

The lynch party then moved closer. Rush Limbaugh, one of the most vicious and dangerous racists in human history, ranted that Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., the minister who married Obama and his wife Michelle, the iconic leader of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago since 1972, is a “race-baiter and a hatemonger.” A national Limbaugh-led mob howled that this holy man must be denounced and renounced, and again for the sake of his chances to be president, Obama knelt before them and called Rev. Wright’s profound truth telling “inflammatory and appalling.”

As he answers the baying hounds questions about his pastor Barak Obama must be heartsick. In that heart he knows where this is going. The racists will not stop at Minister Farrakhan or Rev. Wright. The mouths of their blood-red faces will screech at Obama to deny his very blackness. On this path there can only be one inevitable final demand before he stands for president. Barak Obama must become a white man.

But this goes beyond Obama the Black man and candidate for president. Something the ruling class can never permit must happen before Obama can be elected. In all future primaries and in the general election, if he gets that far, Obama will win 90-plus% of the Black vote and his people will turn out in record numbers. But he will win the nomination and then the presidency only with a substantial number of white working class votes. Oh, the unity!

Such unity would shake this county’s ever constricting capitalist bourgeois democracy to its foundation. One of the main engines of that capitalist economy is racism. For the sake of profits racial divisions and the super exploitation of workers of color must be kept intact—at all costs.

The reason that chattel slavery came into existence in the semi-feudal agrarian US economy of the time was that it was very profitable for the masters of that economy.

The reason that racism is so pervasive in the United States today with its developed industrial capitalist economy is that it is very profitable for the masters of that economy.

It took the bloodiest war in US history and hundreds of thousands of white workers willing to fight to the death to end chattel slavery. No election and no candidate for office will end racism in this country. As long as capitalism exists elections will only produce racist results.

Barak Obama is not under withering attack right now for fear of his empty rhetoric about change. The ruling class chuckles over such nonsense. What they are stricken over is the possibility that working-class whites might make their first halting steps toward an effective political relationship with their brothers and sisters of color. They know their history. They know that was the dynamic that brought down the slave economy. They know that would be the beginning of the end for them.

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Here's Obama praising another US Patriot
Posted by: chlamor on Mar 21, 2008 3:43 PM   
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Read this interview from the Larry King Show. Just yesterday Obama heaps praise on GHW Bush and suggests that he'll use him on some possible foreign advisory team. Good stuff huh?

What say ye Obama acolytes?

I can't wait to see the contortions and rationalizations.

Here's the direct quote and see the link for entire interview:

"By the way, I would reach out to the first George Bush. You know, one of the things that I think George H.W. Bush doesn't get enough credit for was his foreign policy team and the way that he helped negotiate the end of the Cold War and prosecuted the Gulf War. That cost us 20 billion dollars. That's all it cost. It was extremely successful. I think there were a lot of very wise people. So I want a bipartisan team that can help to provide me good advice and counsel when I'm president of the United States."

LINK

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I heard...
Posted by: Jeanne on Mar 21, 2008 5:31 PM   
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from an associate who was looking at CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 blog, that the Reverend Wright was quoting a white man -- a career diplomat -- in those now-famous chickens roosting words that have been re-broadcast ad nauseum on all news outlets. The Reverend actually cites his source (so he's not a plagiarist). I'd suggest people check out the sources. Which is something our news media, apparently, is too lazy to do. Another portion of the posting to the blog said that no where in that particular sermon did the "God damn America" quote appear... sound like cherry picking (editing)? Maybe, before we all get our undies in a knot, we need to understand that the so-called news broadcast is really only a gossip-fest. "Have you heard the latest . . . ?"

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Older Idiots
Posted by: bessie on Mar 22, 2008 12:09 AM   
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It's okay to be totally cynical, at least that's what I think, but Obama really does represent something else. And all these younger people are totally devoted to him. As an older idiot, I am too. Some of the things that he says are kinda shocking about the "typical white person", but then I think about it, that's true & that's me - but remember I'm an older idiot. I was really lucky to have parents who wanted me to attend an integrated high school. It was a violent and sad experience in some ways. But it gave me the experience to understand racism - spoken or given. This campaign has been awful thanks to Hillary. The Clintons aren't Democrats - they are Dixiecrats. Obama will create a better legacy for us all. As an older idiot, I look forward to this & actually I paid my dues & I do deserve some good news.

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Perfection stasis vs. change and the hope for a culture of thinking
Posted by: doraroja on Mar 22, 2008 11:00 AM   
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This speech reminds me that my biggest hope for an Obama presidency is that it would change the culture of the way people talk to each other, that people would start dealing with relatively real issues. My expectation for real shifts in favor of basic human rights and needs in the US and globally remain low, however, because capitalism isn't going to be able to address any of those things. But the possibility that we might no longer suffer a social reality that is organized by people who firmly believe in insulting our intelligences by abusing peoples' abilities to think with sound bytes that obscure unquestioned institutionalized violence seems within the realm of attainable. The possibility of a sweeping shift towards real conversation, not just within the white house, but that workplaces, scientific forums, and educational systems that seek to change the course of institutional culture (the people with commitments to things other than profits or dogmatic rituals and religions)) could actually get funded for example, is no small matter. That in turn could mean that the quality of everything (medicine, learning, and most importantly, accessibility) might have the potential to improve. Right now, power has taken a very inarticulate and silencing form of bureaucracy.

That said, my problem with the speech is its use of the idea of perfectionism. It seems contradictory to talk about change and perfection in the same breath. Perfection seems like both too much and not enough. One person's perfect is not going to be another's, and so on. The future is a process not a product. Part of the problem with the perfection-patriotism agreement (specific to the global north) is that it sees process as a means towards something fixed. But if I take the speech at face value, then it is itself a kind of work in progress, dealing with these kinds of contradictions and self criticisms.

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WHITE OR BLACK ?