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Enviro Battle Gone Wrong: Solar Energy vs. Redwoods?

By Douglas Fox, Christian Science Monitor. Posted March 27, 2008.


What happens when one neighbor with solar panels sues another with big, shady trees?

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Sunnyvale, Calif. -- It started as a typical over-the-back-fence suburban neighborhood chat, not the kind of thing that would escalate into a criminal prosecution. Carolynn Bissett and her husband, Richard Treanor, were pulling weeds in their backyard on Benton Street here on a July day in 2001, when their neighbor Mark Vargas peeked over the fence for a chat.

Mr. Vargas said he planned to install solar panels on the trellis behind his house -- meaning he needed access to sunlight. But the row of eight 10- to 25-foot redwoods along that edge of the couple's backyard would have to go -- or be shortened, or perhaps replaced with smaller trees.

They asked Vargas to come discuss the matter in their backyard.

So, in a suburban odyssey symbolic of the chasm between people with different ideas of how to use nature, he got in his car and drove nearly a mile to his neighbors' front door. The two families have adjacent backyards, but in suburbia's labyrinth, there is no easy walk between them. So their front doors stand in two different cities -- Sunnyvale and Santa Clara.

Perhaps that disconnect foreshadowed what would transpire. Accounts of the backyard discussion differ -- whether or not Vargas offered to pay for tree removal, or who first threatened legal action -- but one thing is certain: The parties haven't spoken since.

The ensuing paper chase through city ordinances, planning commissions, and permit hearings has consumed seven years and tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, and -- through California's obscure 1978 Solar Shade Control Act, which criminalizes the shading of solar panels by trees -- resulted in the Santa Clara County District Attorney prosecuting Mr. Treanor and Ms. Bissett.

A judge convicted the tree owners on Dec. 10 and ordered two of the eight trees cut down.

The redwoods were planted between 1997 and 1999. The solar panels were installed in 2001 by Vargas, who moved here in 1993.

Photos from 2001 show that two of the trees didn't shade the panels for the first year after installation, but have since grown to shade more than 10 percent of the collectors between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m.

So, says Treanor who has hired an arborist to do the job, "at 9 a.m. on March 26, Mr. Perez will be here to whack our trees."

The case has gained national traction. CNN visited both households, and Vargas just turned down Jon Stewart of the Daily Show.

The fascination is predictable. It sounds like an epic struggle of values: trees versus solar; Vargas, who drives an electric car versus. Treanor and Bissett, who own a Prius. Chat rooms bristle with invective defending the trees' right to exist, and naysayers ridicule the case as a parable of green hypocrisy.

"People are very, very emotional about their trees," explains Randall Stamen, a Riverside, Calif., lawyer who specializes in tree lawsuits. "If you've planted a tree and watched it grow, you've invested an awful lot in it."

But despite the emotions the case has sparked, it fits poorly with the moral story line into which it has been shoehorned.

The now-famous electric car sits outside the Vargases's garage, sipping sunlight from the house's 128 solar panels.

The Vargas home is a scene of familial pandemonium. Three Vargas children and two playmates -- ages 3 to 7 -- twitter about the living room where police officer Tom Leipelt is telling Vargas's wife, Melissa, not to worry about a voice mail the family just received. As Mrs. Vargas tells it, a "crazy woman from Quebec" said, "I hope that you suffer and your family suffers."

Mr. Vargas says he has grown used to the recognition that comes with TV appearances -- from supporters who say "hello" in the Safeway parking lot to silent drive-by gawkers.


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Windmills
Posted by: Rod on Mar 27, 2008 3:25 PM   
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also produce an area downwind of reduced wind speed, potentially "shading" another persons windmill.

Stay Tuned, This lawsuit coming up next, otherwise known as the Attorney full employment act of 2008.

When does it end???

Rod

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I told you so.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Mar 27, 2008 9:52 PM   
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To all of you who think solar power and wind power can do
everything: NO THEY CAN'T. I have foretold you of the
article's problem many times Alternet/environment. Wind is not
steady enough, most places, to turn off a coal fired power plant at
all. Solar is only good for peak power around noon.

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» RE: PLEASE Posted by: boydranchitos
» RE: I told you so. Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» RE: How much did they pay for the batteries? Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» What garbage is this? Posted by: PaulC
Renewable energy could 'rape' nature. Keep the trees.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Mar 27, 2008 9:55 PM   
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Renewable energy could 'rape' nature
11:10 25 July 2007
Downloaded from: NewScientist.com news service
http://environment.newscientist.com/
article/dn12346-renewable-
energy-could-rape-nature.html

http://www.newscientist.com/
blog/environment/2007/07/
renewable-energy-bad-
nuclear-power-good.html

Phil McKenna
Ramping up the use of renewable energy would lead to the "rape of
nature", meaning nuclear power should be developed instead.
http://www.inderscience.com/
search/index.php?action=record
&rec_id=14671&prevQuery=&
ps=10&m=or
So argues noted conservation biologist and climate change researcher
Jesse Ausubel in an opinion piece based on his and others' research.
http://www.newscientist.com/
channel/opinion/mg18925361.
500-interview-be-
green-think-big.html
Ausubel (who New Scientist interviewed in 2006) says the key renewable
energy sources, including sun, wind, and biomass, would all require vast
amounts of land if developed up to large scale production – unlike nuclear
power. That land would be far better left alone, he says.
Renewables are "boutique fuels" says Ausubel, of Rockefeller University in
New York, US. "They look attractive when they are quite small. But if we
start producing renewable energy on a large scale, the fallout is going to be
horrible."
Instead, Ausubel argues for renewed development of nuclear. "If we want
to minimise the rape of nature, the best energy solution is increased
efficiency, natural gas with carbon capture, and nuclear power."
'Massive infrastructure'
Ausubel draws his conclusions by analysing the amount of energy
renewables, natural gas, and nuclear can produce in terms of power per
square metre of land used. Moreover, he claims that as renewable energy
use increases, this measure of efficiency will decrease as the best land for
wind, biomass, and solar power gets used up.
Using biofuels to obtain the same amount of energy as a 1000 megawatt
nuclear power plant would require 2500 square kilometres of prime
Midwestern farm land, Ausubel says. "We should be sparing land for
nature, not using it as pasture for cars and trucks," he adds.
Solar power is much more efficient than biofuel in terms of the area of land
used, but it would still require 150 square kilometres of photovoltaic cells
to match the energy production of the 1000 MW nuclear plant. In another
example, he says meeting the 2005 US electricity demand via wind power
alone would need 780,000 square kilometres, an area the size of Texas.
Part of the land used in Ausubel's calculations is for storage and
transportation: "Any renewable energy supply needs a massive
infrastructure, including steel, metal, pipes, cables, concrete, and access
roads."

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» RE: see post above Posted by: boydranchitos
» RE: see post above Posted by: Squarehead
» The rest of the article Posted by: zerachiel
Sounds like democracy at work.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 28, 2008 12:02 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When was the last time we had a perfect law? Even the Constitution allows for amendments. I appreciate the investment of both parties into getting this as straight as possible, because I know that it will face more such problems in the future.

This fracas leaves me feeling hopeful.

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So typical!
Posted by: farhada on Mar 29, 2008 4:45 AM   
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This is so funny to read, I bet the guys who have a solar panel drive one or more SUVs :)

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» Might want to re-read the article. Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
Sounds like idiots to me
Posted by: pkricker on Mar 29, 2008 5:13 AM   
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One (only one) of the reasons we are not considering installing solar panels is that there are trees in the way. Seemed simple to us. Not even our neighbors trees! Here's a question - is the greater good better served by reducing the demand for conventionally produced electricity with a handful of solar panels or by allowing the oxygen producing trees to stand. Here's another question - given the life style (SUV's etc.) of the solar panel people it seems to me that their's is not a moral stance, but rather one of selfishness. Could not a court take this into consideration? Just wondering.

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Real Environmentalists would fight to overturn the ban on Cannibas first.
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 29, 2008 6:27 AM   
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Instead of ceding to Big Coal or Nuclear, environmentalists should stop looking at Cannibas in a negative way and actually give it a chance. 25000 industrial uses of hemp would be more than enough to actually curb global warming in the long run. Plus, we wouldn't have to fight wars for finite resources or for that matter expensive measures just to insure safety and security. Let's legalize hemp and use some of its fuel to produce more solar panals, photovoltaic cells, wind energy and geothermal machines, etc ... In addition, hemp requires very little land and yet can yield a lot not only in terms of fuel but also paper and clothing and requires no petroleum from start to finish.

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And here's proof that hemp can indeed help produce electricity.
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 29, 2008 6:35 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Historical piece on using hemp to power steam turbines in 1917 before Big Oil, Coal, Chemical did a hostile takeover.

http://www.wlhn.org/wisconsonian/april99/waterwheel.htm

Hemp components and their usefulness:

http://www.harbay.net/components.html

Now who's ready to take the winning course?

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Both Parties Really Screwed This Up!
Posted by: snax on Mar 29, 2008 7:01 AM   
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When the solar panel owner moved in, he had the access to the sun that he needed and no direct reason to expect that it would ever be threatened. This essentially became a right of his to protect. However, when the tree owners later moved in and planted the trees, they met with no opposition from the panel owner until years later. Thus, sinking an economic and time investment into the future of the trees.

Had both neighbors just TALKED to each other before the trees were planted - or at the very least, had the panel owner attempted to enforce his right immediately after their planting, this case would be allot less messy.

Now, they both look like jerks, and in my book, they are. If you can't talk to your neighbors about decisions that will affect their property as well as yours before making a committment to them, or as soon as practically possible, then you deserve all of the legal crap that arises from it.

The lesson here is not about environmentalism at all, but about communication. They may have disagreed over it at the outset, but at least then, the contentiousness of it would have been drastically reduced as one of the parties might not have chosen to make the investment.

Just deserts!

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» If only. Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
» trees grow Posted by: e rice
» RE: trees grow Posted by: Jayzer
Here's the resolve -----
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 29, 2008 7:58 AM   
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the only logical solution to this quandary is to affix the solar panels to poles higher than the Redwoods or else build the McMansion in another location. Why do the solar panels have to be on the house anyway, there could be a huge solar grid built away from the Redwoods with heat piped into the structures.

If all else fails find out what Bush would have to say about this perplexing issue, he has the answers to all the other worlds problems.

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More People = More Boundary Encroachment = Conflict
Posted by: nmeyer on Mar 29, 2008 8:49 AM   
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Did Daniel Boone once say something like: If I can see the smoke from my neighbor's chimney, it's too crowded?

So many of the conflicts and issues we face have their roots in overpopulation. The more of us there are, the more crowded we become, the more our values and choices encroach upon others and the biosphere that supports us. War and disease. Ecology 101. If we can't manage our population as a species, we invoke a much less pleasant management upon ourselves. This appears to be what we have chosen, both consciously and unconsciously.

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» japan and holland Posted by: e rice
Trees vs. Technology
Posted by: EJ on Mar 29, 2008 9:01 AM   
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Years ago, my family had a similar argument with our next door neighbor--except in this case, it was pine trees vs. a swimming pool.

My parents moved into their house in 1973 and promptly started planting trees to supplement the single pine tree already there. In 1988, the next door neighbors (who had moved in about the same time as my parents had), installed a swimming pool...then looked up and realized that our yard contained a dozen good-sized pine trees. They invited us over to use their pool and asked my dad to remove his trees. When he refused, they took it to court. The judge ruled in my dad's favor, since his trees were there years before the neighbors' pool was installed.

Now, 20 years later, the neighbors who installed the pool have long since moved away. The couple who now live in the house don't use the pool, but they've made no effort to remove it, fill it in, or even clean it, meaning that the pool, which fills with rainwater and yard runoff, is chiefly used by mosquitoes and frogs. Every so often, someone calls the health department and they are forced to clean it so that we don't wind up with an epidemic of West Nile, but otherwise, the pool just sits there, a nasty brown thing.

And at the same time, most of the pine trees still stand.

The moral? Leave the trees alone. They contribute to fresh air, carbon sequestration, and general beauty, while the technology falls to the wayside after a few years when the original owners leave, get bored, or abandon it entirely.

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» RE: Trees vs. Technology Posted by: DeeOhGee
I know
Posted by: willymack on Mar 29, 2008 11:29 AM   
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How to fix this problem to everyone's satisfaction. Got solar panels? Neighbor's pretty trees shading those panels? Get some REALLY big, bright lights and shine them on the panels, and.....what's that? Really? Uh, never mind.

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» Good one... Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
Trees do more than consume carbon
Posted by: ciccio on Mar 29, 2008 11:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I own a town house in Ontario, a little back garden some 15x40', a few
trees beyond the fence. Three seedlings started growing in my little back yard, I was to lazy to pull them out, they are now almost 20'. In summer,when they are in full leaf, my living room is so shaded that it is 10 degrees cooler than the unshaded part of the house. Those trees save a kilowatt of energy, how many solar panels would I need to get that much energy and at what price?

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Solar Panels, Tree Worship, And Conflicts
Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Mar 29, 2008 12:50 PM   
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For those unfamiliar with the area, these towns are suburbs of San Jose, CA, which is itself a big suburb like Los Angeles. So this is a strictly suburban story.

There is a totally false premise that no one has questioned. Trees are only positive ecologically where they are native; otherwise, they're just another non-native pest and often displace native plants and animals. For example, Eucalyptus trees are a disaster anywhere outside their native Australia. Their leaves poison the ground so that only Eucalyptus can grow, which not only displaces native plants, but as a result also some native animals.

It is highly unlikely that redwood trees grow naturally in the flatlands of Sunnyvale or Santa Clara. This area was most likely made of grasslands and marsh before Europeans came. So despite the apparent goodness of the defendants and clear lack of environmental values of the solar panel owner, this is actually a no-brainer environmentally.

I understand love of trees, and I share it in natural forests and other areas where trees are native. But trees are not some magical plants that belong everywhere, and planting them where they don't belong can cause more environmental harm than good, as this case shows.

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» Eucalyptus poisons soil?? Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
» RE: ucalyptus poisons soil?? Posted by: Jeff Hoffman
There is no such thing as nuclear waste.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Mar 30, 2008 12:28 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We don't recycle nuclear fuel because spent fuel is valuable and people steal it.
The place it went that it wasn't supposed to go to is Israel. This happened in a
small town near Pittsburgh, PA circa 1970. A company called Numec was in the
business of reprocessing nuclear fuel. I almost took a job there, designing a
nuclear battery for a heart pacemaker. [A nuclear battery would have the
advantage of lasting many times as long as any other battery, eliminating many
surgeries to replace batteries.] Numec did NOT have a reactor. Numec "lost"
half a ton of enriched uranium. It wound up in Israel. The Israelis have fueled
both their nuclear power plants and their nuclear weapons by stealing nuclear
"waste." It could work for any other country, such as Iran or the United States.
It is only when you don't have access to nuclear "waste" that you have to do the
difficult process of enriching uranium, unless you have a Canadian "Candu"
reactor that runs on unenriched uranium.
Numec is no longer in business. The reprocessing of nuclear fuel in the US
stopped. That was the only politically possible solution at that time, given that
private corporations did the reprocessing. My solution would be to reprocess the
fuel at a Government Owned Government Operated [GOGO] facility. At a
GOGO plant, bureaucracy and the multiplicity of ethnicity and religion would
disable the transportation of uranium to Israel or to any unauthorized place.
Nothing heavier than a secret would get out.

Nobody is paying me to post this.

Nuclear power plants do not consume water. Water may be a convenient coolant, but is not a necessary coolant.

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The cause of your death
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Mar 31, 2008 8:02 PM   
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Odds of Dying from X according to the 2003 National Safety council

1 heart disease 1 in 5
2 cancer 1 in 7
3 stroke 1 in 24
4 motor vehicle accident 1 in 84
5 suicide 1 in 119
6 falling 1 in 218
7 firearm assault 1 in 314
8 pedestrian accident 1 in 626
9 drowning 1 in 1008
10 motorcycle accident 1 in 1020
11 fire or smoke 1 in 1113
12 bicycle accident 1 in 4919
13 air/space accident 1 in 5051
14 accidental firearm 1 in 5134
15 accidental electrocution 1 in 9969
16 alcohol poisoning 1 in 10048
17 hot weather 1 in 13729
18 hornet, wasp or bee sting 1 in 56789
19 legal execution 1 in 62468
20 lightning 1 in 79746
21 earthquake 1 in 117127
22 flood 1 in 144156
23 fireworks 1 in 340733

Causes that are missing from the above:
nuclear power plant accident
medical mistake
meteor impact
cold weather
starvation
dehydration
smallpox
war
terrorist strike
boredom

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» RE: The cause of your death Posted by: Jayzer