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Winter Soldier: America Must Hear These Iraq Vets' Stories

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted March 15, 2008.


If America listens to what they say, the war would be over tomorrow.

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I missed the Winter Soldier Investigation in 1971. At the time I was married to a vet who desperately wanted to put his war behind him -- and he wanted me to help him do it. We were supposed to pretend it had never happened. It didn't work.

Daniel refused to talk about Vietnam. "Talk to your old lady? No fucking way," his friend Bobby Lanz shot back when I said I thought that maybe Daniel wouldn't have killed himself if I had been able to get him to talk about whatever it was that was causing him such pain. "With other vets, you can say, 'shit man, I did all this horrible stuff. You're not going to believe the stuff I did', and someone who has been there will say, 'Yeah, so did I, so did we all.' But with your woman? You start to talk about having fucked some folks up bad, doing awful things, killing people, maybe, and she starts to cry and you don't go there again. You think, Fuck me, man, I don't need to hurt her. This is psychological abuse, so I am going to shut up."

Maybe I wouldn't have understood. Completely. But not knowing was far worse. For decades, I took responsibility for his death. I thought it was my fault. And even if I hadn't been able to understand exactly what he was talking about, I would have understood that he was in a kind of lethal pain. Whether it was that he thought he deserved to die or that he deserved to be put out of his misery, either way, execution or euthanasia, I would have understood that he had been injured in the war. And I would have known where to focus my grief and my rage.

What I kept thinking today, listening to all those who testified at this new Winter Soldier investigation sponsored by Iraq Veterans Against the War at the National Labor College in Washington, DC, is that so much grief and pain for the past 30 years has been mis-directed, so much energy wasted, blaming ourselves and the soldiers we loved for the injuries that we couldn't see. Joyce Lucey, the mother of a soldier who took his own life after returning from Iraq, said that when he left he gave her a coin and told her to hold it like an amulet to keep him safe. She did, but she now understands that even though her son had been returned to her, his soul had been destroyed. "I should have been holding that coin after he came home."

But, she continued, "His voice is silenced. Ours is not." And she quoted Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil in America is for good men to do nothing."

Everything I heard today spoke to that challenge, to the challenge of channeling our combined grief and rage into a focused fight that will really, finally make a difference. Clifton Hicks began his testimony by saying that all of the men he served with in Iraq were there for love: love of country, of ideals, of comrades, and "for that they are beyond judgment. I am here," he added, "to judge the war itself."

One after another, veterans told conflicted stories, some with tears, some with rigid control, some with visible shakes, but all with hard-won moral courage and deep sorrow. John Michael Turner began his testimony by telling the audience that as far as he was concerned, "Once a Marine, Always a Marine" was history. For him it is now "Eat the apple and fuck the corps." Then he tossed his dog tags into the audience saying, "Fuck you, I don't work for you no more." Turner's first confirmed kill was on April 18, 2006. He shot an Iraqi boy in front of his father. It took a second shot to kill him. He had a photograph of the boy's open skull. Turner was personally congratulated by his commanding officer, who proceeded to offer a four day pass to anyone who got a kill by stabbing one of the enemy. Turner ended with, "I am sorry for the hate and destruction that I have inflicted on innocent people. I am sorry for the things I did. I am no longer the monster that I once was."

Hart Viges told of having an insurgent, armed with a rocket-propelled grenade, in his sights during a firefight and not being able to pull the trigger. He was frozen by awareness that the fear and confusion he saw on the Iraqi kid's face was exactly what he imagined was on his own.


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Penny Coleman is the widow of a Vietnam Veteran who took his own life after coming home. Her latest book, Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide and the Lessons of War, was released on Memorial Day, 2006. Her website is Flashback.

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War sucks unless you are GWB
Posted by: divetrader on Mar 15, 2008 7:24 AM   
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President Bush waxes on about how romantic it is to go fight in a war. While these poor souls are sent to do his bidding and have their souls ripped to shreds as a result.
Please let their voices be heard so we can end the madness.

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» RE: War sucks unless you are GWB Posted by: KyGentleman
the question is how to get this into the MSM
Posted by: happyhermit on Mar 15, 2008 7:38 AM   
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all that needs to happen for this story really to take off is for Bil O'Reilly to complain about it. if he does that it'll be all over. i get all my recommendations from the things he condemns.

warcomeshome.org

you can listen to it there. just don't eat too much beforehand.

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IVAW
Posted by: happyhermit on Mar 15, 2008 7:40 AM   
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should coordinate something on Youtube. get all veterans who want to tell their stories to film themselves and send IVAW's channel. then they can post them all from the same source.

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» RE: IVAW Posted by: Lauren
Related issue, Feinstein
Posted by: Lauren on Mar 15, 2008 8:02 AM   
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4/27/05


My letter to her:

I just wanted to let you know I support your efforts to curb meth
manufacture and the dangerous illegal marijuana farming in our National
parks. Thank you. I am very concerned about both the crime associated with
illegal drug trafficing and the devastating effects of meth on families and
children.

I am also very concerned about about the effects of the US war on drugs and
it's effect on our international security. I dont know if you believed me
before, but I have greatly researched this subject. Marijuana is a very
commonly used 'soft' drug in many parts of the world, rather like beer and
wine in the states, but actually much safer. It also has a long history in
the inspiration of many religions, a facinating topic for religious
scholarship.

Like you, I am a local Bay Area resident old enough to recall the beginning
of our drug war. The Hippie movement began as a cultural enlightenment, an
infusion of East Indian thought, music, marijuana and religious concepts.
Sadly the culture appealed to damaged youth who flocked to SF and quickly
devolved into hard drugs, sexual degradation and disease. An easy target
for the Nixon administration, just way too useful for the religious right.

We have now increasingly followed the failed prohibition path for 35 years.
To what effect? Countless numbers of families and communities have been
devastated by this campaign against a plant. I am not argueing marijuana is
completely harmless, just that it is far less harmful than marijuana
prohibition. The criminal behavior in our parks being just one small
example.

Many cities all across our country have become open war zones as gangs fight
turf wars over illegal drug sales. That's not right and it's not necessary.
It is very clear legalizing marijuana and regulating it would not only
alleviate much of this problem, but would also send a huge signal of
peaceful intent to the Islamic world.

Religious freedom is presumed one of the greatest things about America, so
it is with great sadness I see this terrible religious discrimination
promoted by ignorant US drug policy. Just as wine is prohibited in the
Islamic world, so Ganja is in the Judaio Christian one. This is very
disapointing, cant we find peace?

I understand you are Catholic, and I respect your faith. I hope you will
understand that I am a Sufi, and will respect my faith. Please help me end
this war. Thank you.

I have determined May 5 will be a day for celebrating religious freedom, I
will be holding some kind of ceremony. You may have noticed 4/20 was
celebrated this year as a religious holiday by many. In my town there were
suddenly dream catchers on about half of the rear view mirrors that one day.
Subtile, but very telling.

I am attempting to build a religious freedom movement for my people. I see
myself as sort of the New Age Rosa Parks. I dont want second class
religious status, and I dont think we Ganja people deserve it.

Besides this one issue, I think you are an excellent Senator, although I am
very concerned about your cosyness with Condi Rice. Unfortunately the drug
war is very corrupting. I know the evil prison union supports the drug war
and gives you lots of money. It must be difficult. But I also know the
people of California honestly do not want marijuana prohibition.

I think it would send a powerrful message to the overbearing religious right
for you to support the Religious Left, the Green people, who really are your
constituants. Please help me.

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» RE: elated issue, Feinstein Posted by: Lauren
The Greatest Evil
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 15, 2008 8:42 AM   
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I posted this elsewhere on Alternet today:

I wish that the media would cover these hearings. I wish that Americans would learn that, yes, war is really Hell. War is an infinite evil. It is the greatest evil ever committed in good people's names, even when wars aren't started based on lies. And this war was started based on a 1000 lies and nothing else. I don't think there is enough forgiveness in the entire universe to save America's soul.

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» RE: The Greatest Evil Posted by: peacefullaim
Listen live to Winter Soldier at www.kpfa.org
Posted by: KPFA Radio on Mar 15, 2008 1:16 PM   
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From March 14th to 16th, KPFA Radio is broadcasting the historic Winter Soldier Iraq hearings in Washington, DC, perhaps the most important anti-war event in the United States in decades. More than 200 U.S. military veterans and active-duty troops from Iraq and Afghanistan are attending and testifying about the atrocities committed by U.S. occupation forces - war crimes they have witnessed and, in some cases, participated in.

The three-day live broadcast is co-anchored by former Army medic and KPFA host Aimee Allison and journalist Aaron Glantz. KPFA will be streaming live audio from the Winter Soldier broadcast at kpfa.org and www.warcomeshome.org. War Comes Home will also feature bios, photos, and videos of the speakers. Online audio clips of the testimonials will be posted as the hearing progresses. In addition to hosting the broadcast, Aimee Allison and Aaron Glantz will be blogging from the hearing at www.warcomeshome.org, where listeners will be able to leave their comments. To listen to the historic Winter Soldier broadcast, tune into KPFA Radio 94.1 or 88.1 FM in Northern California or www.warcomeshome.org. The broadcast runs from 6am-4pm Pacific time (9am-7pm Eastern time) on Friday, March 14th, 6am-4pm Pacific time (9am-7pm Eastern time) on Saturday, March 15th, to 7am-1pm Pacific time (10am-4pm Eastern time) on Sunday, March 16th.

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Cannon Fodder
Posted by: Cathyc on Mar 15, 2008 2:06 PM   
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Its good that these "war veterans" are coming out and standing up and telling their truths. They're probably in the minority, but at least now they realize they were only used and abused by those they looked up to.

Growing up can be very painful sometimes.

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» RE: Cannon Fodder Posted by: happyhermit
» RE: Cannon Fodder Posted by: Declan
wasington post did an article
Posted by: whealeydj on Mar 15, 2008 2:18 PM   
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This morning I read the Washington post article that had more on how controversial Winter Soldier among militarists. it will be intersting to see how pro Iraq War treats this issue.

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If America remembered THIS, they wouldn't accuse Bush of "lying"
Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Mar 15, 2008 8:01 PM   
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Youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FNgaVtVaiJE&feature=related

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» What's your point? Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: What's your point? Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» Don't argue with fools Posted by: Declan
» But "the fool" will argue with you! Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» RE: A few questions, democracynowiniraq: Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» Now we're getting somewhere! Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Now we're getting somewhere! Posted by: democracynowiniraq
Bumper stickers
Posted by: messedup on Mar 16, 2008 4:59 AM   
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I've been driving around for 5 years with anti-war bumper stickers on my car. The only commentary I have ever received on them were from Republican dudes swearing and cussing at me. Nobody, I repeat nobody really, really cares about wars and kiling fields.

Turn on the TV folks, all I'm seeing is killing, and killers, and hero's or villains that did all the killing. You can read all about how bad it is but it won't change a thing.

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For more complete video coverage of Winter Soldier hearings:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 16, 2008 9:55 AM   
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» Cheap smear attempt by 911truthiness. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» GIVE IT UP "thoughtcriminal" Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» Congratulations! Posted by: peacefullaim
» You guys on your own merry way Posted by: democracynowiniraq
If we had a military draft...
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 16, 2008 5:20 PM   
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with NO exemptions, THEN the war would end tomorrow.

The anti-war movement is really naive. You think the rednecks in Nebraska (where I happen to live), the Rush Limbaugh ditto-heads, the 25% Bush supporters care a rat's ass about "hearings" and "testimonies"? To them and the young men out here, the stories about atrocities in Iraq are just another installment in the latest coolest action-adventure movie called The Iraq War. It's half a world away, something to be watched and unreal as a video game.

More carefully reasoned arguments by the anti-war people are not going to end this war. Aging hippies singing old Peter Paul and Mary songs are not going to end this war. Relics from the 1960's hankering after "the good old days" of the Vietnam anti-war movement are not going to end it.

The only thing that will is pushing for a military draft with NO exemptions. Once these young men who support the war (from a safe distance) and their suburbia parents realize that there is a distinct possibility that THEIR ass could be on the line to get shot-off in Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan, their attitude would change in a BIG hurry!

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» RE: If we had a military draft... Posted by: democracynowiniraq
» RE: If we had a military draft... Posted by: peacefullaim
They need you
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 17, 2008 7:32 AM   
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democracynowiniraq...they need you now. I would advise visiting your nearest Armed Forces recruiting station ASAP. Trolling left-wing blogs with your enthusiasm for the Iraq war and Bush just isn't gonna cut it. You can have the opportunity to apply DIRECT action, on location in Iraq! (or Afghanistan, or Iran).

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» RE: They need you... right NOW! Posted by: democracynowiniraq
Sometimes it takes 70 years for vets to talk
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 AM   
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It took my grandfather, a retired full bird Col. US Army, almost 70 years to talk about the atrocities committed in the Pacific theater in the "good war." When my father was extralegally "exempted" from the Vietnam era draft, my grandfather said nothing about it. My dad felt guilty for a long time until my grandfather finally opened up and told him legal or no, getting out of the "adventures of the rich and the stupid" can only ever be a good thing. What followed was weeks worth of horrific stories of his own experiences in WWII. We heard how when Korea was the next adventure he felt sick to his stomach every single day until that was over, how when the Gulf of Tonkin lie was sold (he always knew it was a lie) he felt sick again, the same way until Vietnam was finally over. Recently in the last years of his life, he would tell me over the phone from his hospice bed how frustrated he felt because he could not seem to die, how sick he felt because "those fellas over in Iraq are really having trouble." Talking to my Dad, I realize my grandfather couldn't talk to him, only to his grandson about this stuff. He never told my grandmother anything. He couldn't. He couldn't tell my Dad even a little until long after. But he could tell me. When I asked why, he said because I was "young enough to try to do something about it, or at least keep yourself away from the military." "You want to serve your country, work in a homeless shelter. The rich do not merit your blood."

When I was listening to Winter Soldier testimonies on KPFA, they sound just like the shit my grandfather witnessed in WWII. It seems nothing is different, nothing is changed. I listened for a few minutes with a retired SEAL. He walked away and when I called him later, he said he was sick. He does that when he has to remember stuff he did in Afghanistan and Iraq. He's SpecFor so he can't talk about any of it anyway.

All of this only heightens my hatred for the privileged entitlement that allows the owning and ruling class to do this to people. I can forgive a soldier but I can never forgive the rich coward who sent that soldier to someone else's home to fuck them up for that rich brat's ego or financial gain. There is not a hell brutal enough for the rich and rulers of the U.S.A.

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Listen to All Vets' Winter Soldier Testimonies at warcomeshome.org
Posted by: KPFA Radio on Mar 17, 2008 10:34 AM   
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KPFA Radio has collaborated with Iraq Veterans Against the War to archive all the testimonials of the veterans who spoke at the Winter Soldier gathering, on their website warcomeshome.org. It also features biographies of the veterans, photos of the event, and comments from veterans and the public, among other features. KPFA/Pacifica Radio was the only media outlet to cover the event in full.

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This is last weeks news
Posted by: Declan on Mar 17, 2008 5:51 PM   
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Why didn't Alternet post, in advance, that these hearings were scheduled for last weekend? I was notified by other alternative sources and managed to watch much of this during the course of the weekend. Many of these blogs posted today seem like second rate, or second hand, coverage right behind the coverage of foreign news sources, many of whom appeared live. Why is this site barely ahead of the Amerikan media who maneaged to ignore it altogether?

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Thoughts on the Winter Soldier Testimony
Posted by: coldmoon on Mar 18, 2008 8:44 PM   
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I listened to the testimony on Pacifica (KPFA in Northern California) and I was moved, sometimes to tears. I feel sorry for what the soldiers went through and I feel sorry for the Iraqis who they murdered and maimed.
I haven't read all of the comments so I don't know if anyone else noted that these people were confessing to murder and that they should be charged, tried, and punished.
You or I, or these ex-soldiers for that matter, could not commit a murder here in the U.S. and expect to be forgiven and exonerated because of a weepy confession at a public gathering.
They blatantly violated long-standing international law, and judging from their testimony, most likely military law and U.S. law as well. Orders from superiors is not a defense under international law, and what I heard often in these stories was people making the choice to kill because they enjoyed it and thought they could get away with it. Now these deeply troubled people want our forgiveness and we yield the moral high ground to them for the supposed courage of their confessions. Where was the moral courage when they decided to kill?

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I got my heads-up about Winter Soldier
Posted by: alternetty on Mar 21, 2008 6:43 AM   
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at DailyKos.com

Wouldn't have known about it otherwise. Spent three hours Sunday glued to the video stream, listening to the veterans testify.

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