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Why Men Do Stupid Things: The Psychological Appeal of Prostitutes

By Michael Bader, AlterNet. Posted March 14, 2008.


A psychotherapist explains what might go on in the deeper recesses of the minds of men like Eliot Spitzer.
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There will no doubt be a lot written about Eliot Spitzer's ethics, his hypocrisy and the damage done to his family, as well as discussions of the degradation that most prostitutes experience. He will be tarred and feathered for seeing a prostitute. And perhaps he should be, having broken vows to his wife, supporters and the citizens of New York State. As Spitzer takes his place with other politicians who have been busted for seeing a hooker, questions invariably arise: What is up with politicians screwing up their careers by visiting prostitutes? How can smart men do such incredibly dumb things? Does the attraction have something to do with power? Escape? Self-sabotage? For the moment, I want to put on my psychotherapist hat and try to explain what goes on in the deeper recesses of the minds of men like Spitzer.

The appeal of prostitutes to politicians is, in fact, identical to their appeal to "ordinary" men. On a psychological level, it doesn't matter if the women come from the Emperor's Club or a sleazy strip joint. It doesn't matter if they cost $2,500 an hour or $40. The appeal of hookers lies in the temporary psychic relief they supply to men struggling with conflicts about guilt and responsibility.

Having studied the dynamics of sexual arousal for almost 15 years, and having treated dozens of men who find prostitutes irresistible, I have found that for the overwhelming majority of them, the appeal lies in the fact that, after payment is made, the woman is experienced as completely devoted to the man -- to his pleasure, his satisfaction, his care, his happiness. The man doesn't have to please a prostitute, doesn't have to make her happy, doesn't have to worry about her emotional needs or demands. He can give or take without the burden of reciprocity. He can be entirely selfish. He can be especially aggressive or especially passive, and not only is the woman not upset, she acts aroused. He is not responsible for her in any way. She is entirely focused on him. He is the center of the world. Now, of course, these interactions are scripted. The prostitute is acting. But it doesn't matter. For men who like to go to go to prostitutes, the illusion of authenticity is enough.

If a man is compelled to use a prostitute because it makes him feel free of guilt, responsibility, and worry, then those feelings must be a special burden to him. Such men feel psychically weighed down by the belief that they're supposed to take care of women, that they have an obligation to make women happy, to please them. Such beliefs are often exaggerated and based on a belief and perception that women are high-maintenance, helpless, or disposed to be unhappy and dissatisfied. These beliefs are formed in childhood and are reinforced by our culture. They are often false, but they can inhibit such men in their sexual relationships. In real relationships, they feel that there is always a hidden quid pro quo, that they can't get much unless they give a lot, that they have to pay a high price for getting what they need. Of course, intimate relationships then suffer.

For these men, a prostitute is sought as a relationship in which the man can "let go" and freely express his most selfish desires without feeling guilty and worried about the effect of these desires on his partner.

For male politicians, these issues are likely heightened. It is argued that they're accustomed to wielding power, using others and expecting others to serve their narcissistic needs. But in the quid pro quo world in which politicians live, no one gives anything without expecting something back. Everybody wants a piece of them. In the healthiest cases, they can be themselves at home with their families, feel loved without conditions. But too often their marriages and family lives have taken a backseat to their careers and no longer function as havens of reciprocity, connection, and love.

With a prostitute, the arrangement is also instrumental, but during the time that he is with her, the politician can enjoy the fantasy that he doesn't need to do anything for anyone. Spitzer paid for his time in advance. When he entered the door of that hotel room, he and "Kristen" enacted a fantasy in which, whatever its sexual specifics, his immediate pleasure was her sole aim, an aim that she appeared to pursue happily and with abandon.

Many of us will weigh in on the social, political and psychological meanings of this sordid but common story. We can condemn Spitzer's hypocrisy, criticize his stupidity, and decry the cultural pathology and victimization surrounding male-female sexual relationships and prostitution. But it's important also to peek into the anxiety, conflict and longings that actually motivate individual men to do the things that we call stupid and that are destructive to themselves and others. Explaining behavior like Spitzer's does not mean condoning it. But it can deepen our understanding of each other without mitigating either our moral or political passions.

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Michael Bader is a psychologist and psychoanalyst in San Francisco. He is the author of "Arousal: The Secret Logic of Sexual Fantasies" and the forthcoming book "Male Sexuality: Why Women Don't Understand It -- and Men Don't Either." He has written extensively about psychology and politics.

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You're not kidding
Posted by: moonshark21 on Mar 14, 2008 1:28 AM   
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The warped attitude that all women are high-maintenance (including emotionally) does indeed inhibit you, to where at twenty-six I've only tried to date one person. So I wouldn't recommend holding on to that notion.

Responsibility is responsibility. Best to be aware and working on your perspective one step at a time.

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» RE: You're not kidding Posted by: fringedweller
Prostitutes better than affairs
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 14, 2008 1:56 AM   
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Think about it: you are a very busy person with a high stress job. You know you perform well and are psychologically more balanced if you have regular sex. But your wife is also stressed out and busy with her career. She doesn't have much time to cuddle let alone do like they do on the Discovery Channel.

So what do you do?

Do you drop into a deep funk as your attempts to ramp up the sex in your relationship fall flat and you become depressed at work? And your poor performance at work means your wife is getting more stressed, worried you might lose your job?

Think about it? This is what happens in real life.

A very pretty 22-year-old at $1,000 an hour becomes a very good deal. For both parties.

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» just sounds like an opinion Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: Prostitutes better than affairs Posted by: fringedweller
» RE: Prostitutes better than affairs Posted by: lepidopteryx
» Real Life Posted by: Cathyc
Tha answer to the question is simple...
Posted by: data23 on Mar 14, 2008 3:56 AM   
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men's brains are in their dicks.

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» So tell me, data23 Posted by: joeunix
» RE: So tell me, data23 Posted by: data23
» RE: So tell me, data23 Posted by: joeunix
» RE: So tell me, data23 Posted by: Moira61
» Gladly, Moira61 Posted by: joeunix
» RE: Gladly, Moira61 Posted by: Moira61
» RE: Gladly, Moira61 Posted by: fringedweller
» RE: Oh come on, you spoiled our fun! Posted by: radiomorning
You've got part of it, but there is a lot more
Posted by: JohnU on Mar 14, 2008 4:58 AM   
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Paying for sex has the following benefits:

1. It offers an efficient and uncomplicated transaction. As Marlin Brando said on Larry King, "We don't pay them for sex, we pay them to go away afterwards." Which mostly they do unless you've deeply offended the Wall Street fat cats.

2. Men and women don't stop being attracted to others when they are in relationship. In our culture there is no avenue for conversation about this, let alone any way to act on it ethically. Only a small percentage of us work through this to polyamorous relationships, in which multiple lovers are welcomed with honesty by all involved. Mostly we bury our desires or act them out unethically.

3. Our desires, particularly men's, are heightened repeatedly by advertising that uses sex to sell products, challenging the self esteem of both men and women.

4. Because our culture is so sex negative, teenage sexual experiences invariably include risk - risk of getting caught, risk of peer humiliation for dating the wrong person, risk of pregnancy, and risk of STDs. Many of us end up erotisizing risk. Going for the forbidden fruit, especially fruit that is juicier than one has at home, is a huge turn on all in itself.

5. High end prostitutes or new agey prostitutes actually do attempt to help socialize clients with low levels of social skills and self esteem. There are probably women who owe prostitutes a big debt and don't know it. See Ray Stubb's "Women of the Light" for example.

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The question nobody seems to be asking.
Posted by: colinmeister on Mar 14, 2008 5:05 AM   
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So Eliot Spitzer paid Kristen/Ashley the singing whore $4500 for an hours shagging? No, Spitzer paid the Emperors' Club $4500. What I want to know is how much Kristen actually received for the shag.

I don't have too much of a problem with a man paying a whore for sex (Or a woman paying a gigolo come to that), but I do have a problem with the middle men and women (Pimps and madams) making a lot of money out of the prostitution industry.

At least if prostitution were legal, exploitation would be revealed, and both the middle men and women and the hookers could be made to pay tax on their income.

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» RE: What kind of taxes? Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: What kind of taxes? Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: What kind of taxes? Posted by: colinmeister
From a market approach, what's "wrong" with prostitution?
Posted by: nochicagoboys on Mar 14, 2008 5:15 AM   
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Prostitution is the epitome of free market enterprise, and pure capitalism at it's best (or worst). Devoid of government interference, it's the classic example of fulfilling the equilibrium of supply and demand. No transaction better illustrates the market's ability to provide, and the customer's need to consume. It's pure (perhaps not the best descriptor) and simple. It's unadulterated (again, maybe not the best choice of words) market behavior as Adam Smith espoused in The Wealth of Nations. After all, it's claimed to be the world's oldest profession. It's entrepreneurial, and the start-up costs are minimal. It fits right in with Bush's promotion of small business development.

Yeah, Eliot Spitzer made a judgment error. As far as sexual expression goes, he undoubtedly went for one of the less socially acceptable ones to engage in. But, he did, and he got caught with his pants down...or maybe with his hand in the cookie jar...or whatever. It's water under the bridge. Let's stop being so judgmental and move on. There are a lot worse, and heinous, crimes being conducted by our leaders -- especially at the national level. Let's focus on these, the ones where we've all been screwed.

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I don't think so
Posted by: solrev on Mar 14, 2008 5:23 AM   
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It amazes me how psychotherapist think they have all this insight into people. Remember the courses they took in collage were called abnormal psychology. The people they see in their line of work have already been labeled abnormal by some authority. To generalize from abnormal to normal with in the population is just bad science. Just about every thing this article says is wrong. His world and the normal world are miles apart. If the only men visiting pros were abnormal, there would be a lot of hungry pros. Prostitution is a way of life and this way of life exists on a lot of levels. The motivations for people, who frequent 5-dollar hookers and 5000-dollar hookers are so far apart, they are not even in the same game.

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» RE: I don't think so Posted by: plantsareneat
» Not the same game? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: I don't think so Posted by: tornadorider2002
Americans are a sick bunch
Posted by: nfamous on Mar 14, 2008 5:31 AM   
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Prostitutes will do what your wife or girlfriend won't in many cases. I'm not getting into talk about sexual morality. People create their own sexual morality. Why is it legal to have sex with 16 year olds in some places but not 15 year olds? Humans have struggled with morality and laws since the beginning. I, for one, don't think of sex as a moral issue. You like what you like and humans will do what they can to get it, whether it's legal or not. It's not someone's fault if they grew up liking underage boys. Obviously that's not tolerated but only because society believes children are innocent and because religion teaches homosexuality is bad. Humans are animals and still operate out of the lower brain. We are no better than the rest of the animals, just smarter in some areas and dumber in the rest.

I do feel the pressure to always have to entertain women and put up a manly front for them. Most women are easily turned off sexually by the slightest deviation from what they consider manly or a turn-on. Of course women like that are unhealthy themselves but most Americans are mentally unhealthy in this system of capitalism and profits before people. We need to take a harder look at what motivates our laws and so-called morality so that we can start doing things that make more sense. Other countries are light years ahead of us on this and are still far behind themselves.

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» "I do feel the pressure" Posted by: supercrisp
Outsourcing Relationships
Posted by: abemko on Mar 14, 2008 5:37 AM   
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In this society men are expected to be the stiff upper lip providers. The vaunted American "independence" isolates men from women, children, other men and themselves. It is not a role any man chooses voluntarily. When I worked for Pfizer and the team was running at 60 to 70 hours per week, I had no real choice, I was either in or out. And any other job at that level of challenge would require nothing less. It's like being in the military in Iraq, you have to do the job, others are relying on you and where would you go if you wanted to slow down and take time for your own psychic and physical health. Yes, I could change my job, but where do I go to earn enough to have healthcare and send my three girls to college, yet have time to connect with others in a healthy, thoughtful way?

This society is on a tear to ...... We keep going faster and faster to the better life which keeps getting further and further away. The price we pay for falling for this illusion is our extreme disconnection from one another and ourselves. In this world of out-sourcing, prostitution is a very logical step, just like taking cholesterol lowering drugs instead of eating right and exercising (because there is no time) or sending a donation for a worthy cause as opposed to actually taking action to support that cause (again, because there is no time).

The outcome is isolated overworked men and women struggling to figure out why their lives are so complicated and sedating themselves with pornography on the internet, drugs of choice from alcohol to anti-depressants and/or the "trappings" (interesting word) of success. Time to stop judging and condemning men like Spitzer, who no doubt represents a significant if not overwhelming majority of men and women in our society, in their imaginations if not in direct action, and start rethinking our style of life.

On a related note, Spitzer was clearly set up and is a very loud warning of where this police state is headed.

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» RE: Outsourcing Relationships Posted by: ericksonml@sbcglobal.net
» RE: Outsourcing Relationships Posted by: MyLeftFoot
Sex and violence
Posted by: Farasien on Mar 14, 2008 5:47 AM   
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What strikes me as strange about the entire Spitzer issue is how people can be so incredibly outraged about a sex scandal but so apathetic with the uncounted violent crimes being committed in the name of God and Country in Iraq. I'm not saying that what the governor did was acceptable- quite the opposite, but in all honesty, nobody DIED as a result of his incredibly stupid, selfish activities. Yet, every single day, thousands are killed in the name of corporate oil profits overseas. For that matter, violent crime here in the bad 'ol US of A is given a cursory, over-the-shoulder 'wow, that's bad' comment or two by the blood-addled media and then is utterly forgotten, except by those it directly impacted, by the following morning. It seems to me that society is extremely backwards in its thinking and needs to change, fundamentally, if we ever really expect for anything to ever get truly better.

Of course, I'm not holding MY breath...

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» RE: Sex and violence Posted by: ibivi
» RE: Sex and violence Posted by: ikonoklast
» RE: Sex and violence Posted by: curiousdwk
» RE: Sex and violence Posted by: aonghus36
SELF DESTRUCTIVENESS VERY COMMON
Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 14, 2008 6:06 AM   
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I learned very early on in life never to underestimate the self-destructiveness of individuals or for that matter organizations or institutions.

In a perverse but homeostatic way it is really a deep seated desire and mechanism to get better/healthy.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Suddenly...
Posted by: Artkansas on Mar 14, 2008 6:34 AM   
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Masterbation seems like a much better option.

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» Well... Posted by: Tat106
» RE: Suddenly... Posted by: fringedweller
» It's spelled masturbation Posted by: chief of okeefe
Actually....
Posted by: Marlena on Mar 14, 2008 6:49 AM   
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prostitutes, in fact all "sex workers" ought to be members of SAG, since they are all acting:) Then they would have a union to represent them, and maybe we could get over the stupid ideas that "sex work" is going to go away.

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Michael Bader
Posted by: dover23 on Mar 14, 2008 7:14 AM   
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You nailed it.

I'm going check out your books.

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Spike
Posted by: unblocktheplanet on Mar 14, 2008 7:57 AM   
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I'm 58 and have lived in Bangkok for 25 years. That makes me an experienced observer of both organised and casual prostitution, including debt slavery and sex trafficking.

When I travel to North America every year, I can see why middle-aged men from failed relationships come to Thailand. It is impossible for any man to feel validated by any younger woman in North America. No matter how good-looking, intelligent, sophisticated, rich, we are all just OLD!

Setting aside the money for a moment (on the bedside table), there are cultural attributes at work in Thailand that are not the North American norm. Firstly, all young people are taught from birth to show respect, and maybe even obedience) to anyone even marginally older than they. Secondly, older foreigners have huge life-experience, a broader world-view than local boys.And, of course, we have money; we don't expect it for free.

Another consideration is that most foreigners have been acculturated to treat women as equals. This is a far cry from the premise of this author. Of course there is an element of degradation in sleeping with strangers but, overwhelmingly, with attention and consideration, I think both partners have some fun.

First of all, let's recognise the Spitzer saga for what it is: pure media spin. Keeps us distracted from the real issues. It makes me REALLY happy to think Kristen isn't paying taxes to kill or jail a few more somewhere.

What fascinates us about Spitzer is the price, duh! Is $1000 sex better than a $12 blowjob? And the equally titillating possibility that Spitzer may have been using public funds to get his rocks off!

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» RE: Spike Posted by: fringedweller
» RE: Spike Posted by: meeneecat
Orgasm is Orgasm
Posted by: fdgsr on Mar 14, 2008 7:56 AM   
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Orgasm is orgasm, whether it is a human, another animal, or for that matter a plant. Whatever promotes sex in plants or animals promotes the species involved. Orgasm is not vital to reproduction, but it certainly increases the frequency of reproduction.

Fortunately for humans, we have separated the orgasm from the promotion of reproduction only. Most biologic processes are promoted secondarily by structures not necessary or even 'intended' by God (Who is TRUTH).

The partnering of mind with process creates all kinds of social conditions that never would exist in a pure state of nature. Understanding truth and consequences is easy, but inhibiting for thinking man.

The modern attempt to limit reproduction while increasing sexual satisfaction leads to a need for condoms, birth pills, prostitutes, and pimps. Women have limited sexual needs evolved because of the higher cost of reproduction in the female. Animals use estrus, and humans use decision and aversion on a quasi-mental plane.

Women must closely control their sexual activity in a state of natural consequences. Males can be uninhibited without the consequences of females. That is why males cannot get rich as prostitutes, call girls, or wives. Men pay women for the difference in risk.

But, orgasm is orgasm. It is as addictive as opiates and as cheap as masturbation. Easy companions are rare, unless you pay the price. Politicians and other successful male animals still need easy companions and sexual gratification without long range cost and risk.

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» HA ha ha ha ha Posted by: janvdb
» Wow... Posted by: jroth420
Refrain from rushing to judgement
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Mar 14, 2008 8:43 AM   
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Take it from a man who's been there and done that: as my life crashed and burned from being married to what turned out to be a psychologically distrubed woman, I sought relief from stress and looked for sanity in prostitutes. This was unprecedented in my life, and was brought on by severe emotional hardship.

In my case, the marriage was a write-off, so it can't be said that I cheated on my wife or was self-destructive, but I will tell you that in most cases of men who do this neither the man nor the woman are getting what they need from their marriage, for whatever reason.

Truly loving someone means there should be no problem in giving your partner what they need without hang-ups, in mutually agreeable way. I know this is possible because this is the kind of relatioship I now have. If for any reason there would be need for a prostitute, I could bring her home and both my wife and I would share in the entertainment.

Unfortunately most people never find their right partner. People enter into relationships for many reasons; often love is not one of them. It should surprise no one that relationships based on anything but mutual true love, respect and devotion result in extramarital activities.

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Male Perspective
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 14, 2008 8:44 AM   
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A male fiend commented to me that Spitzer's wife must be to blame for his seeking out a prostitute, that she wasn't giving him what he wanted sexually. This same male friend said that about Hillary when Bill had his episode with Monica. Do Alternet males agree with this assessment?

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» I don't agree Posted by: Libertine
» RE: I don't agree Posted by: Sojourner
» Hogwash Posted by: RegK
» I completely agree. Posted by: messedup
» RE: Male Perspective Posted by: rickiey
» RE: Male Perspective Posted by: smith
It would seem that men do stupid things for the same reason women do stupid things...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 14, 2008 9:12 AM   
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...ignorance + perceived inadequacies, real or not. Also, old fashioned greed ("I want it, and I want it NOW"...no matter whether I lose my house, my job...etc...)

Meh. What a farce. New governor please, and don't let the revolving door of stupid hit you, Spitzer, or you Ferraro in the posterior on your way out...

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The only galling part is...
Posted by: Artkansas on Mar 14, 2008 9:23 AM   
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His colossal hypocrisy. He used to prosecute people for this. Was it somehow okay for him?

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mcik3
Posted by: mick3 on Mar 14, 2008 9:37 AM   
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It does seem as though most, if not all, men come into this world believing that only by some cosmic error are they not gods. It is hard to find writings by men in which this attitude is not at least implied. Often it is expressed clearly, this male "godness" and all the rest of it. TV commercials used to take advantage of this, and being god (male, that is) was regularly mentioned in their ads. There was even one in which the guy excitedly claimed that his dog felt like a god (for riding in a fast car). As gods, males naturally expect everything to turn around themselves. Just yesterday I read in a novel where a man was waxing nostalgic that in the old days, men were gods to their children. Typical. The guys even concocted entire religions around gods created in their own image, so there, ladies! Without the god complex, males would be far less likely to use females so basely. But as almost gods, hey, anything is allowed.

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» You make me cry Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
I'm skeptical about the whole thing
Posted by: twoten on Mar 14, 2008 9:59 AM   
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Some time ago I looked at Spitzer and admired the hell out of him for so courageously taking on the big bad guys. And I wondered if he would end up dead or somehow slapped down.

Then this story breaks and the whole thing seems so fishy to me. Why couldn't Cheney and his FBI goons set the whole thing up and make Spitzer an offer he couldn't refuse? Either accept the hooker charade or something much worse will happen.

The whole thing seems so similar to a publicly forced recanting that the Jusus people used to do to their enemies in the middle ages. The whole thing is just too fishy, Robin Hood has been taken out and replaced with Mr. Magoo ...

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We need more articles like this
Posted by: Blue Heron on Mar 14, 2008 10:24 AM   
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Michael Bader's article is very informative and amazingly insightful. It's nice to see a piece written by a professional psychologist, because it is objective, not childish or defensive, as some Alternet contributors tend to be. I would like to see a lot more like this - actual professionals giving their informed opinion. It might give me more motivation to come here.

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» Objective? Posted by: maddy
» RE: Objective? Professional? Degrees? Posted by: fringedweller
What a load of crap!!
Posted by: pangolin on Mar 14, 2008 11:41 AM   
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Eliot Spitzer did exactly what society programmed him to do. He worked hard for years, got the right grades, kissed the right rears, kicked others when it was politic and hit the top of the pile. It was his turn to boink the really pretty girls.

Anybody who's ever seen a "Revenge of The Nerds" movie understands that this is exactly what this was about. What do Paris Hilton and the male and female uber-rich scions of the wealthy do? They fly from one vacation spot to another and engage in thrill rides, public spectacles and private orgies. Elmer Fudd/Elliot Spitzer types NOT invited thank you.

Our whole social mythology promotes the concept of work hard, buy goodies, attract the fertile primates and boink them. Eliot did exactly what he was supposed to do.

The very idea that men work these ridiculous hours because they like the "challenge" is insane. They do it for personal power and security and the best benefit of personal power has always been a better choice of sexual partners. The very idea that he should have stuck to sex with his wife was laughable.

Does anybody, anywhere have sexual fantasies about Hillary Clinton? I'm a lifetime Democrat but ewwwww. Political wives are not there to provide physical companionship. Hillary did not spend her White House years studying yoga, massage and the Kama Sutra. She grabbed power and focused it on herself. It doesn't leave much time or energy for erotic play.

So maybe now that Eliot has backed out of that governorship hassle he can lobby his old contacts and focus on what's really important; finding a mistress that will do for him what the pro did.

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» RE: What a load of crap!! Posted by: fringedweller
Bader's full of it
Posted by: catmandoo on Mar 14, 2008 11:44 AM   
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The issue is that Spitzer prosecuted other men for involvement with prostitution. His big ego apparently said that he could do that very same thing. He is no different than any criminal, all of whom believe that the law does not apply to them and that, by some sort of magical thinking, they will not get caught. If Bush is lawless (and he is), so is Spitzer. We can haggle over degrees, but to what end? Spitzer's a schmuck. Spin it how you like, whether Bader or others, he's still a schmuck--an arrogant, wealthy schmuck--like the President. How very insane that we keep voting for them.

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Consensual fantasies also require accountability even if tabloid morality should be ignored
Posted by: doraroja on Mar 14, 2008 12:04 PM   
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There is one commenter here in this forum who says that men go to Bangkok because they are not appreciated or desired in the US if they are old. But it strikes me that there is an incredible failure here to address the way women are perceived as they age. It appears that the man speaking for older men who is writing this post has seen fit to ignore and devalue the desires of older women. It seems that in his statement, only the real or imagined desire of younger women counts.

Much of the focus on sex work seems to polarize stigmatizing moralities against men seeking "liberation" or unaccountability. There is also a misogynistic combination-version of these views in this forum that devolves into blaming wives and married women for an also guilty phenomenon of sex work. Moreover, the idea that there is no accountability in a sex work transaction seems totally confused because unaccountable transactions do not exist. Of course Bader's article doesn't suggest otherwise. But in attending solely to a certain kind of purportedly "male" need, he sets the stage for some male readers to engage in a kind of love fest with each other over how victimized men are. More significantly still he implies that the need for unaccountability is not only legitimate but does not participate in and augment a greater set of social problems. Saying that sex work should be destigmatized and that the need for unaccountability should go uncriticized are not the same thing. In fact, women's labor conditions and physical and mental health risks *must* be taken into account. To clarify, I'm not arguing against sex work, but against the social illusion and construction of it as an "escape" from questions of health, labor, age and so on. It should be possible to negotiate pleasure with another person, whether or not that involves cash, with an understanding that the idea of unaccountability can function as no more than a toy with serious limits. What is especially important is that the limits are imposed by the person having the sex and not by a cartel. One of the problems of corporate culture is that it produces the fiction that transactions made with big business are more anonymous.

It seems to me that the question of the problem of sex work should be shifted from vapid morality distinctions to the ethics of labor conditions. I would have been more interested in finding out who politicians end up paying when they visit sex workers. A contract with an independent individual or a participant in an empowered cooperative seems extremely different from the purchase of services through an organized exploitation ring. A politician having sex with a sex worker without autonomy who earns a fraction of the fee, and therefore in effect is leasing her own body under the illusion that she is paying promoters or protecters or some such thing, represents a much more egregious problem. It also indicates a collusion between men or between powers over women's compensation and women's work, and ultimately women's social status.

It seems important to stop being mesmerized (morally or socially) by the "sex" element of sex work. It is work on the one hand, and it is also usually women's work. Even male prostitutes are socially feminized. How sex work gets constructed impacts the entire construction of gender, and its distributions of power.

There are also other issues about comportment and respect and safe sex for the sex worker that come into play.

The focus of the sex work debates could become productive if they could be shifted to a more open discussion that dealt with the reality of the transactions and a substantial understanding of how consensual fantasies also require accountability.

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A appalling subtext!
Posted by: RegK on Mar 14, 2008 12:24 PM   
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An appalling subtext here is that men need women to service them and to neither expect nor demand reciprocation. This may be true of some, but not all. The occurrance of narcissism in US society is pretty high and this is narcissism--believing that people exist to meet your needs or as an extention of you.

Over the last 40 years, men have had to come to terms with gender equality, which for most men has meant power-sharing in a totally new way. Men who visit prostitutes are part of the reactionary faction who still want all the power for themselves, even if they have to pay for play-acting unreality. We should throw all the narcissists and reactionaries out of government.

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» RE: A appalling subtext! Posted by: maddy
Why do Americans always have to anlyse things to death?
Posted by: SENILEBIKER on Mar 14, 2008 1:01 PM   
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Maybe the guy just likes getting laid by good looking young(er) chicks. Forget the freudian bullshit - this is a natural instinct, and if you are not getting everything you want at home, and you got the cash and the opportunity - go for it.

This is not sex slavery - these are well paid, intelligent women who know what they are doing.

Why does the press always say "Spitzer involved in a prostitution ring". He wasn't - he was a john - a paying customer.

And lastly as someone said on another blog. if two people have sex and one pays the other for it, they have committed a crime. If two or more people have sex which is filmed and sold, and they are both (all) paid for it, they have done nothing illegal. Americans are really conflicted.

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ENOUGH!
Posted by: Ahimsa on Mar 14, 2008 2:09 PM   
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Can we stop this crap already?

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Spitzer Was Into Status and Power, Much More Important for Him Then the Sex
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 14, 2008 2:11 PM   
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Spitzer was paying for "status," to be in the "Emperors Club" with the 7 or 8 diamond hookers. This is what separates him from just having used a regular prostitute for perhaps only $500 or so an hour. Now, Spitzer could not normally "advertise" this status because it was illegal. However, he was much more likely to actually be caught using high priced call girls instead of ordinary hookers since high priced rings are investigated much more often because of the large amounts of money they take in. So, why did he do it? Now, that he has been "caught," Spitzer at least has a sort-of perverse satisfaction knowing that the general public knows he was of course busted. But, he was busted with style, with the "best," with the "Emperor's Club." This matters a lot to a man like Spitzer, a multi-millionaire. See, this is a man with wealth and with power, a man who believed he was entitled to "the best." And, what says more for the best then paying an extremely large amount of money for it. Just like the best of the best country clubs. As for Spitzer, of course he got some sexual satisfaction out of it, but don't kid yourselves, this was much more about having power, having status then the sex.

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Elliott took the fall for Obama
Posted by: scottyrocks on Mar 14, 2008 4:26 PM   
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To preface, my comments are not intended to be racist. I am Jew myself.

But it seems strangely convenient that a rich Jew takes the fall for something so ridiculous, and coincidentally puts a blind black man into the position Governor of New York, while simultaneously reminding the American people of Clinton cheating on his wife.

Sounds like an evil plot. In a good way.

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