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Obama Wins Big in Mississippi Despite 'Limbaugh Effect'

By John K. Wilson, Huffington Post. Posted March 13, 2008.


Obama won handily despite a sizable number of Republicans voting for Clinton in the Democratic primary.

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Hillary Clinton suffered a huge defeat Tuesday night in Mississippi, and now faces an insurmountable pledged delegate lead by Barack Obama. But what most pundits missed was the fact that Obama's victory would have been even more overwhelming in Mississippi (and he might have won the popular vote in Texas) if not for the "Limbaugh effect": Republicans voting in the Democratic primary in order to undermine Barack Obama and help John McCain.

Approximately 25 percent of Clinton's voters in Mississippi were Republicans voting for a candidate they hate in order to try to undermine Barack Obama. Obama's 61-37 margin of victory in Mississippi would have been around 70-30 without Clinton's Republican voters, and Obama would have easily expanded his delegate win there from 19-14 to 24-9.

In the voting during January and February, Republicans were an average of 3.8 percent of the voters in the Democratic Primary, and they heavily supported Obama. But for the primaries in March, in Texas, Ohio, and Mississippi, Republicans have been 8 percent of the voters in the Democratic primary, and now they heavily support Hillary Clinton. This is definite proof of the "Limbaugh effect" coming through. Overall, 1.36 percent of the voters in the January and February primaries were Republicans who marked their ballot for Clinton; yet, 5.67 percent of the voters in the March primaries were Republicans voting for Clinton. Barack Obama's Republican numbers in the March primary showed only a modest increase, probably from moderate Republicans who shifted their support to Obama once John McCain's campaign was assured of victory.

In Ohio and Texas, 9 percent of the voters were Republicans, and they split almost evenly between Obama and Clinton. These votes, more than doubling the percentage of Republican voters in earlier primaries, gave Hillary Clinton a big advantage since Obama typically won more than twice as many voters as she did in previous primaries. In other words, about 3 percent of the voters in Ohio and Texas were Republicans newly voting for Hillary Clinton out of purely tactical reasons, to try to ruin the Democratic race.

The "HillPublicans" (insincere Republicans voting for Hillary) became a much larger force in the Mississippi election. Fully 9 percent of the people voting in the Democratic primary were Republicans voting for Clinton. That means that almost one-quarter of Clinton's votes in Mississippi came from Republicans, nearly all of whom hate Clinton but wanted to distort the results of the Democratic primary. By contrast, Obama's Republican vote, at 3 percent, was similar to his historical average throughout the primaries.


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Modern Democracy
Posted by: kiwijohn on Mar 13, 2008 1:49 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am a 'lapsed' male US Citizen and have lived overseas mainly Europe, New Zealand and Australia over the last 30 years. I am addicted to this year's US Presidential Election process, following multiple internet sources of information on a near daily basis. I suspect that a catharsis is underway in the US; if the US is ready for it, the process is likely to result in an opportunity to overcome personal prejudice against at least one of the two anathema and prejudices of modern democracy: a female or dark skin in a significant position of global power. Either solution is a step forward for the US. However, I observe that Senator Obama has captured the hearts of the more mature democracies in Europe, probably because the importance of the roles of females is largely accepted as irreversibly fundamental. The fact that US feminism along with fundamentalist Christianity is still wallowing in much superficiality is a serious US domestic issue, but the US still has a global leadership role and needs to sort out its domestic sociological dilemmas at basic education level over time. It would be a devastating blow to the evolution of Modern Global Democracy, to see the two 'anathema' destroy each other in favor of a continuation of old world Republican stagnation. Senator Clinton, please back-off to let the world follow the more pressing global political priority: mitigation of racially driven prejudice in global relations. You have a possibly one time opportunity to renew global US credibility and leadership with Senator Obama. Don't throw it away.

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» Amen to that! Posted by: nowaybutwait
» Yes, the World is Watching Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: Yes, the World is Watching Posted by: kiwijohn
Limbaugh
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 13, 2008 2:36 AM   
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Al Franken put it well a few years ago in the title of his book: Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot. It's incredible to consider how many Americans actually take this bloviating gas bag seriously. They cheerfully call themselves, "Dittoheads"! What the hell is wrong with these people? Have they lost their capacity for independent thinking? Apparently.

"Cross-filing", the ability to vote in the primary of a party one is not registered to, should be made illegal in all states. If Hillary Clinton is able to get the nomination because an army Dimbaughlbs are able to screw with the system, that only proves that the system is broken.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
CONTEMPTIBLE

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» 'the black vote' Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: 'the black vote' Posted by: rickiey
» Excellent Rant Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: xcellent Rant Posted by: Tom Degan
Well spotted
Posted by: The Debator on Mar 13, 2008 3:16 AM   
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Well spotted - I noticed this too - having read also about reports from Texas that Republicans had turned up to vote for Clinton there saying 'Rush sent me'. They don't give a toss about Hillary and well if we look at these figures, we can see why they want to damage if not ruin Obama:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Basically, as the polls have been telling us, Obama would win over McCain - Clinton would not. What the heck is she still doing in this election? It is so totally destructive. Is she for the democratic party or the lobbyist party? Or is her ego such that she refuses to see the writing on the wall?

What the Republicans are doing has very big implications for the races ahead, not least a potential revote in Florida and Michigan. And that the media are not even mentioning this? WTF? They can't be THAT stupid can they?

And the democratic superdelegates are sitting around paralyzed - or is it paralyzed - are they part of the lobbyist party too? Are they quite happy to throw away a democratic presidency for the sake of protecting special interests?

This is also playing out in PA already, I believe, and I think it will also distort the polls. The Reps have time to change their party to cause mischief - plenty of time - Clinton continuing this fight has become deadly for the Dems in general. For instance, we know that Obama campaign has signed on MANY new voters in PA and PA reports 65,000 new registrants of late - but how many are Republicans muddying the waters? All of a sudden, Obama is slipping back in the polls against Clinton there - her win margin over him seems to be getting bigger and bigger despite him registering new voters. However, in general election head to heads McCain has double the win margin over Clinton that he has against Obama. So - that doesn't add up then does it?

Are the democrats just going to let this happen?

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» RE: Well spotted Posted by: Bozwell
Voting across party lines in primaries shouldn't be legal
Posted by: Blink on Mar 13, 2008 3:19 AM   
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But it is, and you can't blame Republicans for crossing over to vote for Hillary any more than you can blame Democrats for crosing over to vote for McCain (which they did and were encouraged to do by several liberal bloggers). However, in this case, there is a logic in Republicans crossing over to vote for Hillary now that the Republican candidate is a given. It is the fact that, should McCain lose in November, most conservatives would much rather he lose to Hillary than to Obama.

Hillary may be, in the words of William Saffire, a congenital liar, but she's also tough and smart. Obama, on the other hand, is a congenital socialist, a glib people-pleaser who runs out of tricks when charm doesn't work.

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» Open Primary in Texas Posted by: onevoter
Limbaugh Effect
Posted by: rewassenich on Mar 13, 2008 3:32 AM   
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Alter Net is writing about the media being a big problem in the world today - but Alter Net is also spreading misinformation. How can you say that in the Democratic Party primary many Republicans voted for Clinton?? This primary are only for registered Democrats!!!

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» Registered democrats only Posted by: Swatopluk
» RE: Limbaugh Effect Posted by: Bozwell
Proof of the Republican Strategy
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Mar 13, 2008 4:18 AM   
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It it's true that this so-called Limbaugh effect is real and IF it's true that up to 25% of the electorate actually did vote AGAINST Hillary by voting FOR her, then it proves what I've been saying about the Hillary camp for months now.

A vote for Hillary is a vote against her in the general election. The Rethuglicans have their slime machine aimed squarely at Hillary. They have ALREADY spent tens of millions of dollars in preparation for swiftboating HER, not Obama.

Thus, a Dem voting for Hillary in the primary is an immediate vote for McCain in the general.

What I have discovered (I'm a roving IT consultant) with my older white women clients is that they're RABIDLY for Hillary without question. Those women are in some sort of bizarre out-of-phase demographic where they think it's 'their time' for a woman in the WH.

They have all already decided that Obama is mean, nasty, inexperienced and incapable of doing the job. But they can't articulate any reason why that is so. Their eyes nearly glaze over when they discuss how important Hillary is to them.

But they're so entirely ruled by emotion they can't see the facts of the matter. A vote for her in the primary assures a McCain win in Nov. That's because Rove is geared up to destroy Hillary. Not the electorate. Not the Dems. Not men in general. Rove. He will be the mastermind. Roves doesn't care if Rethuglicans hate McCain. He simply wants them to win. Just like Hillary wants to win at all costs, too. She's still fighting the Rethuglicans just like McCain is still fighting the Vietnam war.

Two candidates living in the past. Living in the 20th century.

While all the time we have Obama who is looking forward. Into the future where all his voters are going to be. As Hillary and McCains' collective voters die and go into nursing homes over the next 4 years.

See what we have here? A Rove wet dream.

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» RE: Hillary=Rabid/Obama=Manic Posted by: Andie927
Effect of "racial divide"
Posted by: alanr on Mar 13, 2008 5:55 AM   
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My question is what effect did Republicans (who I'm assuming were overwhelmingly white) have on the racial politics of the MS primary. The media really picked up on that story and ran with it. But if 25% of Hillary's supporters were overwhelmingly white Republicans, doesn't that also skew the racial figures and make it seem much more polarized than reality?

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» RE: ffect of "racial divide" Posted by: carbon-based
My personal pet theory
Posted by: newtype_alpha on Mar 13, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Approximately 25 percent of Clinton's voters in Mississippi were Republicans voting for a candidate they hate in order to try to undermine Barrack Obama.

I have a theory--incredible and far fetched though it may be--that those 25 percent Republican voters didn't vote for Clinton out of some calculated strategic maneuver to undermine Barrack Obama. I suspect they voted for her because they like Hillary Clinton more than they like John McCain.

Yes, I know it seems far-fetched, but Hillary appears to have all the qualities that Republicans tend to gravitate towards, IN ADDITION to the qualities that Republicans are currently looking for. Specifically: she's "tough on crime" and also "tough on terrorism," unequivocally pro-military, CLEARLY favors free-trade and expanded consolidation of industry and media into a handful of giant monopolies. For Republicans who still believe in the concept of Globalism, she represents an administration that--unlike Bush and his anointed successor McCain--did it "the right way." For Republicans who have lost patience with globalism or imperialism in general, she also manages to balance the rhetoric of "toughness" with her (current) opposition to the Iraq War. In other words, she's the "Bring the troops home so we can rule the world from a safe distance" candidate. This contrasts with McCain, who is the "We have to win this war no matter what the cost or else the Vietcoong... I mean... Al Qaida will win!"

More and more, this election is starting to look like Black JFK vs. Female Nixon. It's like something out of a comic book.

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» RE: My personal pet theory Posted by: jeffersonian
» RE: My personal pet theory Posted by: jeffersonian
Limbaugh Effect In Texas
Posted by: pdxstudent on Mar 13, 2008 6:41 AM   
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While my girlfriend's father and aunt, much to our dismay, voted for Ron Paul in Texas. Her aunt's husband voted for Hillary precisely because that's what Rush Limbaugh told his audience to do. It's fucking scary.

I wonder if it's really political speech protected under the First Amendment for Limbaugh, considering what he had to say was, in fact, against democratic politics as such. That is, he was asking his listeners to deliberately vote in a way that does not have anything to do with their interests, precisely to undermine the interests of others in the process.

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» RE: Limbaugh Effect In Texas Posted by: rickiey
Time for an intervention
Posted by: Aaunk on Mar 13, 2008 6:54 AM   
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This is why we should not have a revote in Florida and Michigan. There is no way we can have a fair and open vote, and still expect it to accurately reflect the choice of Democrats in those states.

It also raises questions about the validity of any future Clinton victories.

It’s time for an intervention by the leadership of the Democratic party to end the Clinton campaign. That campaign has turned ugly and destructive with the obvious goal of electing McCain so that Clinton can run again in 2012.

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» RE: Time for an intervention Posted by: Bozwell
» RE: Time for an intervention Posted by: carbon-based
Obama Win in Miss just got wiped out
Posted by: gabbyone on Mar 13, 2008 8:27 AM   
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The AP has released new delegate totals. As a result of New York and Colorado releasing final numbers, Obama's delegate lead is the same now as it was before Mississippi. Here's what happened:

Obama won 19 of the 33 delegates at stake Tuesday, according to the Associated Press tally, which gives him an overall lead, including superdelegates, of 111.

Clinton, however, eliminated Obama's gain from Mississippi when she picked up five delegates yesterday based on final results from the New York primary and the Colorado caucuses, both held Feb. 5.

Thus, Obama's gain from Mississippi is no more.

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Hillary=Rabid/Obama=Manic
Posted by: Andie927 on Mar 13, 2008 9:15 AM   
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"Republicans were an average of 3.8 percent of the voters in the Democratic Primary, and they heavily supported Obama."

So let's see: When Repugs. vote for Obama, it shows he can attract 'cross-over' votes GOOD

When Hillary gets Republican votes it's BAD

Am I the only one confussed?? Boy, the Green Party just keeps looking better, and better!
********
Gee, maybe if The Democratic Party had a 'clear' platform, that all candidates had to follow; maybe if these candidates weren't 'playing games' and took firm positions on the ISSUES! So people could actually know where they stand!(YES, like John Edwards) & The Green Party!!!

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None of the Above!
Posted by: Andie927 on Mar 13, 2008 9:29 AM   
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If people could eliminate, any and all reference to gender, and race: Try real hard!

Now, just look at the Resume's of these three candidates! Look at what little you can find about their positions, on whatever are your major issues!(one source: Prorev.com Progressive Review, article 'How to Tell Hillary and Obama apart')

I think you'll agree with me: NONE OF THE ABOVE! To bad that's not on the ballot!
Of coarse, if we all started supporting the Green Party, who are working towards (and have achived in some areas) Instant Run-Off Voting.
We might end up with a better choice of candidates, and a President that has more then 50% of the vote!!

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true that it works both ways
Posted by: jeffersonian on Mar 13, 2008 10:23 AM   
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and how can one ascertain "sincere" crossovers from "insincere" crossovers. The Obama-bots like to tout his supposed "sincere" crossover votes. But how do we know his support in Utah, Idaho, and the like is "sincere"? Because the Obama camp says it is?

And finally, in the general election, we WANT crossovers, but how to guage sincerity in the primaries?

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» right.... Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: right.... Posted by: TonytheTiger
» RE: right.... Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: true that it works both ways Posted by: TonytheTiger
Race, Gender, Religion - We are not really as civilized as we like to think
Posted by: aamer923 on Mar 13, 2008 11:13 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Nothing will stop the establishment from using every dirty weapon they can have there hands on against Obama
1. Limbaugh Republicans vote for Hillary (Rush says: we have to "bloody him"
2. Party elite like Randell (Governor of PA) saying America will not vote for a black man.
2. Security Moms and fear mongering (the 3am ad)
3. "He got this far only because he is black"
4. He can not get far because he is black - Dangling the VP place in front of him
4. Red state racists Democrats will never vote for a black
5. The feminist thing: Does it really make any difference whether you vote for or against some body just because she is a women
6. The Muslim thing. Amazing how it is still a slur in 21st century USA
Frankly, I like Obama. But I will be surprised if he became president. With so many racists and bigots among us, we are not as civilized as we like to think.

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Huffington Post so blatantly pro-Obama
Posted by: TonytheTiger on Mar 13, 2008 11:28 AM   
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Thanks for pointing out the Hillpublicans that voted for Hillary to "destroy the Democratic party". Did you ever consider the Republicans that voted for Obama out of sheer hatred for Hillary? Or out of a twisted conviction that a white male trumps a black male in the general election?

I generally overlook unfair attacks at Republicans, but unfair attacks at fellow Democrats will "destroy the Democratic party."

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» poor hillnbill, victims again Posted by: foreverhope
Revenge?
Posted by: daniel1982 on Mar 13, 2008 11:52 AM   
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I think Republicans voting for Hillary is partly revenge for independents and democrats saddling them with McCain as a nominee.

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» RE: evenge? Posted by: jwg
» RE: evenge? Posted by: kiwijohn
I Voted Republican as a strategy since 1988
Posted by: bonemama on Mar 13, 2008 12:01 PM   
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In 1988 the governor of Arizona, Evan Meacham (R), was impeached and removed from office after a short 15 month term. His first official act as governor was to rescind the Martin Luther King holiday the legislature had just enacted. He also said the pickaninny was not a racist term.
The next election cycle he ran for governor again. At that moment I knew I had to do something.
Since I'd been a registered Libertarian since the day I turned 18 I never had a role in any primary so I changed my voter registration to Republican so I could vote against Meacham at the primary level and I set about to convince as many of my friends as possible to do the same. Arizona has a long history of radical right wing weirdoes getting into power and the easiest way to cut them off was at the primary level. I would vote for the least ideologically entrenched candidate on the ballot.
So, I remained on the Republican roles until I moved two years ago. The upside of that was I got all the campaign literature from the Republican side and I could suss out the ones I thought were just bad business.
I loved Arizona deeply and I hated to see it continually ridiculed for the freaky people who often led it. I now live in Washington State. OMG, there's talk radio here where people proudly state they're liberal! They would be hunted down and pinned out in the desert in AZ.
The upside to Meacham seeking to be governor one more time was a marked up tick in election interest and activism.

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republican amorality
Posted by: negentropy on Mar 13, 2008 3:09 PM   
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The amazing thing about all this is the stunning cynicism and amorality of the republicans. The people who crow the loudest about the deterioration of morals in contemporary America have no problem stooping to the lowest possible political trickery. It would be interesting to know their religious affiliation. I suspect most are Hagee style evangelicals. After all, why worry about the standards of man when GOD is on your side!

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McCain/Rice beats Clinton but not Obama
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 13, 2008 3:42 PM   
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The GOP will either split or steal the Afro-American vote by nominating Condi Rice for VP. That would seal it against Clinton and split it against Obama. Even the racist southerners would find that acceptable.

I have been supporting HRC (with an open mind, however) until now. I cannot tolerate another GOP administration. We cannot tolerate one. It will not end the American empire. McCain will see to that. But his presidency would be the straw that breaks the back of hopes for a non-fascist America.

Without a good Demo president, he US would continue to dominate the world militarily, but not culturally or economically. That's how important this election is. It's now or...maybe not "never" but for a long time to come.

The only other alternative I see is to nominate Al Gore one more time.

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For Limbaugh and Other Talk Show Conservative Klan's, It's All About Stopping a Ni%$#%
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 13, 2008 3:47 PM   
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Since Hillary and Obama have pretty close policies on many issues, the Limbaugh effect is really primarily a racial effect. The prospect of a "darkie," or ni#$%$ in the White House is very upsetting to the conservatives, especially the talk show ones. They cannot directly say it, but we all know it is underneath what they are saying. Even then, sometimes they do say it. We all remember the lynching remark about Obama's spouse. We should expect more of this behavior to emerge as the campaign continues. Limbaugh and his lot are hardly removed from the Klan. Unfortunately, perhaps not much has changed in some of the Southern states at all.

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Voting in the Texas Primary
Posted by: tornadorider2002 on Mar 13, 2008 3:49 PM   
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I live in the DFW area, and I did vote in the primaries. Where I voted, there were two lines: One for Dems, and the other for pubs. The pubs line had one person in it. The Dems line was out the door into the street. As I was standing in line, there was a lady behind me whom I could swear was a republican. Not only was she reeking of money, but she had this shit-eating smirk on her face that was downright chilling. It appears to be a "win at any cost" attitude with these Republicans. It feels very un-American to me.

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hogwash
Posted by: poco on Mar 13, 2008 6:43 PM   
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I am dumbfounded to read such tripe. Is this how you feel about your mother too? She is not the alpha parent that raised you; your dad did all the work. Stop and think what it is that you are saying. Your condescending remarks about “knowing” how people that have lived and grown up in other countries is just dribble. The blatant sexual dismissal of women as people, and that are their own mind is not their to use is insulting, not only to all the women in your life it is additionally insulting to many men the “world” over that do not have the same handicaps that the lot of the writers so far seem to be afflicted with.

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Ckeck It Out
Posted by: jacksmith on Mar 25, 2008 8:36 PM   
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The Limbaugh story is mostly myth. He came out with that story after it was exposed that some republicans had been doing just the opposite of what Limbaugh now claims. Republicans have been voting in large numbers for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC open primaries, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC caucuses from day one.

Limbaugh is using reverse psychology on you to cover up.

The REPUBLICANS have been trying to choose the weakest DEMOCRATIC candidate to run against in November. And also to prevent the possibility of a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama DREAM TEAM match up.

I am really surprised the media has not picked this fact up with all their experts, and analyst. It’s as plain as the nose on your face. This is why Obama has mostly only been able to win red state caucuses, and primaries. And no big blue states primaries.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate.

Hillary Clinton has actually already won the democratic nomination if you remove the republican vote fraud. Does this really surprise anyone after the 2000 and 2004 elections. :-(

They have no respect for the constitution, or the democratic process. They have no SHAME!!!

jacksmith...

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