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AlterNet Editorial: Iraq Vets Will Detail U.S. Atrocities in Winter Soldier Hearings

By Editorial Staff, AlterNet. Posted March 11, 2008.


History in the making: AlterNet brings you special coverage of the 2008 Winter Soldiers' Investigation.
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This week, on March 13-16, a new generation of "Winter Soldiers" -- veterans of the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq -- will descend on the nation's capitol to tell America in their own words what they saw during their service in the "war on terror," the Bush administration's signature policy. They'll give a ground's eye perspective on the occupation's toll on the people of those countries and the costs to the military, and they'll tell stories of what it was really like in places like Fallujah and Ramadi -- places that are just names on a map to most of the people back home.

They'll be following large footsteps. In the early months of 1971, a group of Vietnam vets, organized by Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), gave two days of testimony about the Vietnam that they had seen, up close and all-too-personally, in the original "Winter Soldier" investigation. While largely dismissed by the political establishment, their wrenching testimony redoubled the peace movement's efforts to end that war.

In his opening statement 37 years ago, William Crandell, a 26 year-old lieutenant who served in the 199th Light Infantry Brigade, Americal Division -- the division that committed the infamous My Lai Massacre -- told the hushed room, "The Winter Soldier Investigation is not a mock trial. There will be no phony indictments; there will be no verdict against Uncle Sam." He promised "straightforward testimony -- direct testimony -- about acts which are war crimes under international law. Acts which these men have seen and participated in. Acts which are the inexorable result of national policy."

And they did just that. Over two days, more than a 100 vets of the Vietnam conflict bore witness to the horrors that they had seen with their own eyes -- "the inexorable result of national policy." One panel examined the question, "What are we doing to Vietnam?" and another asked "What are we doing to ourselves?"

The media largely ignored the hearings. The East Coast papers, with the exception of a New York Times article a week after the event, refused to even cover them. The VVAW complained of an "official censorship blackout."

That was before the right had built its formidable echo chamber -- before Fox News, the Washington Times, the New York Sun and the emergence of the right-wing blogosphere, with its instinctive attacks on any who question the morality of the "war on terror." It's difficult to imagine the kind of character assassinations the soldiers who gather in Washington this week will face from the war's supporters, but it's likely that they're going to redefine courage and genuine patriotism in the face of withering criticism.

But the progressive community is also better prepared to push back against those attacks this time around. A robust alternative media, of which AlterNet is proud to play a role, will at least allow this new generation of Winter Soldiers to be heard. You can get involved as well by supporting IVAW, by tuning in to the proceedings live via the internet, satellite TV and select Pacifica Radio stations, or you can organize an event to view the testimony with others in your community.

All week, AlterNet will feature special coverage of the hearings. Each day leading up to the event, we'll be posting some of the transcripts from the 1971 event. You can read Lt. Crandell's opening statement and testimony from members of the First Marine Division, and we'll post more as the week progresses. We'll also take a look back at the impact the original hearings had on the anti-war movement and on the larger debates of the day.

Several members of the AlterNet team will be in Washington this weekend, and we'll bring you the sights and sounds and in-depth coverage that the commercial media won't.

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Posted by: walldodger1969 on Mar 11, 2008 4:25 AM   
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beat goes on...(for those not old enough to know ,thats from a Sonny & Cher song).

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One must not fear the shadow valley of death, nor prison for sedition appealing....
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Mar 11, 2008 4:48 AM   
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Winter soldiers:
You have military training, and you are skilled on the use of weapons and warfare techniques.....
You have identified the real enemy....
Have you read the constitution ?
Save it !
Save your people !
Save your country !
Save the world !
By doing that, you will be saving your dignity and, ultimately, your souls.
Have you got the guts?

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 11, 2008 4:51 AM   
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Try 'em & Fry 'em

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I have doubts
Posted by: jrmart on Mar 11, 2008 6:43 AM   
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I have doubts. Not that the "war" is illegal, ill timed and ill conceived; nor that atrocities have occurred and continue to occur; nor that the media seemingly ignores them; nor that the GWB administration is out of control; none of that. BUT,I have just watched this vid clip and there are questions.
When the young soldier indicated that there were no insurgents in Falluja, he does little justice to his fallen comrades. To whom does he attribute the American casulties? Children and old ladies?
That there was a vicious battle for Falluja is uncontested. That hundreds perhaps thousands of civilians were maimed and killed is uncontested. Is this soldier saying that it was He and his buddies that did that?
To me this is incredible.
When the other soldier says that he has seen no building going on, perhaps he should get out more. It is uncontested that our government has built dozens of new schools; hospitals and plants. I may believe that we shouldn't have destroyed them in the first place, but the buildings are there!
I am disheartend by this video as I think that it will just be too easy to discredit. Perhaps I have just seen the wrong part, but it is the part that IVAW has chosen to show.
I have opposed this military action just as i opposed the Vietnam military action. I fought against the lie of the Gulf of Tonkin and of WMDs. I want our soldiers HOME. But this old veteran has doubts

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Wasn't this what John Kerry got 'Swiftboated' 4 doing?
Posted by: odcherenow on Mar 11, 2008 7:43 AM   
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I remember clearly when John Kerry went out front and testified before Congress against the Vietnam War.
And he was vilified for his courage and morality by a reprehensible sham, a crass political take-down.

What is going on in this Warrior Nation?
Now another generation of men and women are coming forth to tell us of the horror of war.
How many times do we have to hear this??

It's time for a woman president to clean house in this. our flailing nation. And may God protect her and us in that.

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At least this time
Posted by: debjbaba on Mar 11, 2008 7:58 AM   
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the event is not going to be ingnored by the media. Thank you Alternet and all the others who will bring the stories of Winter Soldiers to us.

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war stories everybody has one
Posted by: solrev on Mar 11, 2008 8:48 AM   
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If they stay out of the body bags, every soldier that goes into a combat zone comes home with war stories. Some of the stories are good and some of the stories not so good. The number of Iraqi killed man to man even with close air support is nothing compared to the number of Iraqi killed. While hand to hand is personal, who speaks for the dead killed by the business of war? "Winter Soldiers" stories may be a catharsis for the soldiers telling their stories, but will have little effect on the public. People who believe the nonsense about the war having something to do with terrorists, jihadists, islamofacists, or any other label will not change their view. They already know war is hell and a dirty business. Obama needs to make it a clear choice about the war; he can do a lot more than the testimony of soldiers. He hinted in response to McCain that there were no al qaeda in Iraq before the invasion. Obama needs to hammer the lies of the Bush administration that got us into Iraq, then ask the people if winning an immoral war is a victory for America. “I was against this war but I voted to support the troops because I could do little else, now I will bring the troops home.”

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For me
Posted by: badkitty on Mar 11, 2008 9:22 AM   
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For me, the original Winter Soldier was as painful as reading the accounts of the German concentration camps--I just can't do it. It's enough to know this happened. These days, most people like to support our troops, but I just can't do it. I can support anyone who comes back, comes to their senses, and says, this is what I did or saw, and I'm sorry. I especially can support those members of the military who have refused service in Afghanistan or Iraq. These are true heroes to me, because they understand the difference between right and wrong. I do not look forward to these Winter Soldier testimonies, but they are necessary. Maybe afterwards, we can say "never again". Of course, I would have thought people might have said that after Vietnam, but I was wrong.

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» where did you fight in vietnam? Posted by: happyhermit
stormy7
Posted by: dpodlogar on Mar 11, 2008 9:33 AM   
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MEN ARE WARRIORS. MEN START ALL WARS. MEN COMMIT THE HORRIBLE ACTS AGAINST MEN,WOMEN, CHILDREN AND ANIMALS.
WE NEED A WOMAN PRESIDENT TO STOP ALL OF THESE ATROCITIES AGAINST HUMANS AND NATURE.
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER EGOTIST LIKE OBAMA, WHO WILL BE CONVINCED WAR MAKES PEACE. WE NEED HILLARY CLINTON TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE.

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Mr.
Posted by: bar5608 on Mar 11, 2008 10:02 AM   
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I have a great deal of respect for Barack Obama, but I'm here to say it's time he shut his poetic mouth and admits to the World that Hillary would make an excellant President.
That might not help Hillary, but it would sure help the Deomcratic Party, and may put Obama in the Whitehouse, where he can go about saving the World from the arrogance of power.
If he and Hillary keep sniping at each other, they may put MacCain in the White house, and the World in even deeper do-do.

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» RE: Mr. Posted by: willymack
Manifest Destiny
Posted by: willymack on Mar 11, 2008 10:49 AM   
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First, it was the money men smelling vast wealth if only if they could get Crazy George III off their backs. It took help from the French to accomplish this, in fact, we would in all probability still be British if it weren't for the French. Then, it was the westward and southward expansion of our nation, and heaven help anyone standing in the way. It's said that the West was "won" by brave and morally pure pioneers, when in fact, it was measles, smallpox, typhoid, etc., as well as I.W. Harper, Jim Beam, and Jack Daniels that decimated the indigenous population., and paved the way for our expansion. Remember the matinees when the sound of a cavalry charge spelled doom for the evil"savages" who were, in fact, defending their homes and very lives? The present day situation in Iraq is exactly the same as it was in the Old West, only far more brutal. The Iraqis are described as "sand niggers", much the same as the Indians were described as "red niggers". Thet're killed indiscriminately just as Native Americans were, and DEHUMANIZED as a means to give legitamacy to their slaughter. I hold the bush regime entirely responsible for this tragic, fraudulent, and unnecessary brutalization of a helpless and harmless country.

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This USofA is called a Democracy, why would another country want to emulate us?
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 11, 2008 10:56 AM   
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It truly is a sad commentary when a majority of the Iraqi people hate this United States and want us out and at the same time most people here despise this Illegal War and want out, but yet we steadfastly remain entrenched, occupying yet another land!!!

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Women will prevail
Posted by: GeorgiaBlue on Mar 11, 2008 11:18 AM   
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Just a little history here..after the terrors of the ancient Pharoahs, somehow a female got to be one and guess what? 20 years of peace! We need to take a good hard look at that and really examine our war-worshipping selves.

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My Lai & Colin Powell's whitewash; "Winter Soldier" documentary link
Posted by: mclemens on Mar 11, 2008 12:14 PM   
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The My Lai Massacre, a crucial event in awakening the long deferred outrage of so-called Average Americans at military atrocities in Indochina, would probably never have become public knowledge had it not been for the independent moral integrity and courage of two individual American soldiers. From Wikipedia’s entry on My Lai:

Tom Glen, a 21-year-old soldier of the 11th Light Infantry Brigade, wrote a letter to General Creighton Abrams, the new overall commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, accusing the Americal Division (and other entire units of the U.S. military) of routine and pervasive brutality against Vietnamese civilians. The letter was detailed and its contents echoed complaints received from other soldiers.

Colin Powell, then a 31-year-old Army Major, was charged with investigating the letter, which did not specifically reference My Lai (Glen had limited knowledge of the events there). In his report Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Powell's handling of the assignment was later characterized by some observers as "whitewashing" the atrocities of My Lai. . .

The carnage at My Lai might have gone unknown to history if not for another soldier, Ron Ridenhour, a former member of Charlie Company, who, independently of Glen, sent a letter detailing the events at My Lai to President Richard M. Nixon, the Pentagon, the State Department, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and numerous members of Congress. The copies of this letter were sent in March 1969, a full year after the event. Most recipients of Ridenhour's letter ignored it, with the notable exception of Congressman Morris Udall (D-Arizona). Ridenhour learned about the events at My Lai secondhand, by talking to members of Charlie Company while he was still enlisted.


It is rare when I’m able to approvingly cite any conservative’s viewpoint, but I can't help but to recall Edmund Burke: “The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.” Or one might be better served today from the following 1993 quote from Ridenhour, who took part in Stanley Milgram's famous Obedience to Authority experiments, also from Wikipedia:

"Some people -- most, it seems -- will, under some circumstances, do anything someone in authority tells them to.... Government institutions, like most humans, have a reflexive reaction to the exposure of internal corruption and wrongdoing: No matter how transparent the effort, their first response is to lie, conceal and cover up. Also like human beings, once an institution has embraced a particular lie in support of a particular coverup, it will forever proclaim its innocence."


Anyone interested in the documentary of the first 1971 Winter Soldier testimony can find information about it here:
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Women Who Promote War
Posted by: txbodhi on Mar 11, 2008 5:41 PM   
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When I was an anti-Viet Nam war activist there were also women who condemned me as a Communist or "hippie commie queer". Hillary was all for attacking Iraq while I was out protesting against attacking Iraq at Crawford Texas. India's Indira Ghandi had death squads but her son Rajiv was a more moderate leader. Women encouraging their men to go to war is an ancient habit. But now it is learn peace or go extinct for our species. Women can be lacking in compassion and nurturing kindness too. I think Hillary lacks true compassion.

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Iraq Vet
Posted by: poulsenjosh on Mar 11, 2008 8:04 PM   
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I was and always will be a soldier. I was a mortuary affair solider in the beginning of the war in Iraq; five years ago I went and saw the hour that humans can do to one another. I saw how Friendly fire shot out of the sky British helicopter, I saw how American fire killed Brazilian reporters, I saw site that was bombed when Samdam was thought to have been there, but there was only women and children, and we buried them and buried what we had done. I saw the bodies of sadam sons, and cleaned them up so they would be perty for photos, so no one would have to see what we did to them. I am sorry I cannot be there to tell my stories, but I know I did a important job, I am just sorry to all the families that lost sons, daughters, dads, moms, uncles, and aunts. I did my best for everyone, and everything, I hope everyone knows I tried my best.

A soldier’s cry
They said I was to bring peace
But I only saw war
They said I would bring delight to others
But I only saw horror
They said I should be proud
But I only felt ashamed
They said the world was in trouble
But they never said from whom
They said that I would be taken care of when I got home
But they forgot me
They said we will always be here for you
But they left me
They said that I should go home
But they never told me how
They said thank you
But they never showed it
Joshua Poulsen

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The Rule of Law in this *supposed* time of terror
Posted by: kster on Mar 12, 2008 12:09 AM   
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I can only hope that we are strong enough and smart enough to realize that WWII was not won by circumventing the rules, but rather, exemplifying the principles that epitomize them. Bush and his cohorts (Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft, etc) have re-written the laws (thanks John Yoo... simmering something), abused the term war (on terror), in order to lead us (sic) down a path that has created more violence (look it up, it's not a fabrication) and created a world rife with instability (real and political). From the situation in Gaza (call for elections, refuse to recognize the election results, because the elected organization is not one of your choosing), to the devastation that is Afghanistan and Iraq, I continue to prone for a strong rejection of this garbage presidency. The stench of failure abounds no because of any delusion of mine, but rather, a sleight of hand on their part wanting me to believe that nothing is wrong. Who gets to say when a President is an abject failure ? Certainly not the media, because one side is still kissing the feet of the great leader, whilst the other is still shyly raising its hand, afraid to ask any honest question of a deceitful PR machine hiding the heart-wrenching truths.

No matter where you want to lob your criticism, there is no shortage of scandal, safe for a lack of responsibility. However, where have all our journalists gone - where is the outrage, the indignation, the sheer bone-curling anger that would push one to unrelent with a line of questioning ? I am uninterested in the line of reasoning first given, then re-stated, then changed again to conform to the facts on the ground by this administration. Do the multiple resignations and retirements point to something sinister ? I cannot confirm this without the work of qualified journalists - where are the Seymour Hirsch's of our era ? (There are some, but I wish to read more of them and see them on newscasts, not like the same cavalcade of idiots that got it all wrong multiple times now on our tubes - Perle, Kristol, etc) Tabloid garbage is all the mainstream media is good to provide us with these days it seems. Celebrities that get paid because of our ignorance and lack of curiosity. "Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." - Thoreau.

I cannot think of a better time than now to bring our principles back, reclaim our government, throw out the corrupt politicians in DC that are living fat off our dime, recall the troops for a much needed rest, close many worldwide military bases around the world, invest in peace through education of our children and those of others, melt many guns, eliminate the idiom of washington and that of the unitary executive with a directness that most politicians (lawyers) are unable to provide, and once and for all, speak power to the trials that we face as a nation...

I say to mr. Bush what Ghandi told us long ago: "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes." Stop lying to me. I've seen the pictures, I've read the stories, I've seen the movies. Much like the companies of today that refuse to appear on a newscast/documentary because they have done something, although not legally proven in court yet, that is considered wrong by most of us through the simple tool of common sense, please tell us the mistakes were made, we could at least begin to construct something from the ashes that you continue to agonize with the fire of your misdeeds.

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There are no attrocities
Posted by: Doggycuny on Mar 12, 2008 6:59 AM   
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What attrocities? There aren't any? How do I know that? Cause I am an Iraq war vet. Attrocities can only be committed on people. The Iraqis are not people, they are animals. Is it still an attrocity if you bludgeon a dog with your bayonette? Of course not! And it's the same with the Iraqis. My Commanding Officer always said, "A dead Iraqi is a happy Iraqi" and "The sun's up, lets do some killing". He was quite a sick man really and he was a high-ranking officer. He said you don't get to be a high-ranking officer unless you show the desire to inflict as much pain and suffering on Iraqis as possible. But we began to believe the brainwashing. You are told 24/7 that the enemy are dogs. My CO said the Iraqis were even less human than the "coons who pick our cotton" and they should be treated as such. He said God had given us the power and that other humans were there to serve us. He said this kind of thing had gone on in US government for decades and decades and said most high-ranking leaders in government and the military are white-supremists and sadists and were quite evil men, like the Nazis of the 1930's and 1940's. But when you have the might of the USA behind you, you start to believe you are superior. That's how they get us do to the things we did. I had even heard stories of divisions in Iraq being given drugs and steroids to make them more aggressive and brutal. There are groups of soldiers that get high on steroids than go around town and randomly squewer kids in the stomach with their bayonettes. If the mothers game out the soldiers would hold them down, strip them naked, cut off the kids ear and make the women eat the ears of their own children. I know it sounds bad, but this becomes normal, even funny, when you're out there that long without any morals or any laws.

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About Time
Posted by: Hunterseeker on Mar 17, 2008 4:49 AM   
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It's about time for MORE soldiers to come forward and provided the sort of testimony I have heard. The people have to know the TRUTH of what goes on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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