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Cheap Oil Is Over: Kiss the Gas-Guzzling NASCAR Era Good-Bye

By James Howard Kunstler, Chelsea Green Publishing. Posted March 11, 2008.


A suburban nation of snowmobilers, dirt bikers and NASCAR races -- all of it was made possible by the one-time blessing of cheap oil.
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The following is excerpted from an essay by James Howard Kunstler published in the book Thrillcraft: The Environmental Consequences of Motorized Recreation (Chelsea Green, 2007).

The tendency for symbolic behavior in human beings is impressive. We are naturally and unself-consciously metaphorical beings, especially as our technological culture has evolved, and we have developed more and bigger prosthetic extensions of our powers. By the 1960s, when America's industrial "smokestack" economy was at its zenith, cigarette smoking was at its peak, too. Forty percent of the adult population smoked, each smoker behaving like a little factory, expelling the by-products of combustion at all hours of the day and night. It was practically required as a mark of adulthood. It was at least an entitlement. You could smoke on the job and in the college classroom. You could smoke in the doctor's waiting room. You could smoke in your seat on an airplane -- a little ashtray was provided right there in the armrest -- and nobody was allowed to complain about it. Every middle-class household had ashtrays deployed on the coffee table, even if the members were themselves nonsmokers.

In those days, smoking was more central to socializing than sharing food. TV broadcasting was largely supported by tobacco advertising. Smoking denied the character of movie stars: Humphrey Bogart expressed the entire range of human emotions in the way he handled his beloved Chesterfields, and eventually they killed him. In the middle of Times Square, a mechanized billboard with a hole in it blew "smoke rings" of steam out over the masses on the sidewalk. The adult population had plumes of smoke coming out of its collective mouth and nostrils the way that our society had smoke coming out of its cities and mill valleys. Notice how cigarette smoking has waned in lockstep with the decline of American smokestack industry.

Along similar lines today, it's compelling to see how NASCAR auto racing has risen to the level of a mania in early 21st century America, as the nation has reached its absolute zenith of automobile use. Even as the world approached the all-time global oil production peak -- with its ominous portents for social relations in this country -- Americans rallied obliviously to the weekend proving grounds of the stock-car gods. NASCAR has eclipsed baseball, football and basketball in popularity among spectator sports. Of course, in real life, such as it was in America, driving automobiles had come to occupy a huge amount of the public's time, day in and day out. Many adults were spending a good two hours a day commuting to work and back.

They were spending more time alone in their cars than with their spouses and children. NASCAR was the apotheosis of the same kind of cars that Americans drove to work. The competition vehicles were called stock cars, after all, because they were, theoretically, just souped-up versions of the same models that anyone could find in stock at an ordinary car dealership: Fords, Pontiacs, Chryslers and so on -- unlike the Formula One race cars favored in Europe, which were specially designed just for sport (hence the quaint term sports car from the 20th century).

What's more, the American economy was now mostly based on creating and maintaining the enormous infrastructures of motoring, as in suburbia, just as it had previously centered on the infrastructures of industrial production. So, the masses merely shifted their symbolic behavior focus from an emphasis on expelling smoke to an emphasis on watching souped-up ordinary cars move symbolically around in circles. Or more precisely, ovals, which, from the grandstand, was sort of like sitting on a freeway overpass for five hours watching traffic. The NASCAR racetracks evolved from county fair dirt tracks with a few rickety bleachers to gargantuan stadiums with luxury sky boxes accommodating more than a hundred thousand spectators. It was significant, too, that the NASCAR subculture arose in the South, the old Dixie states, where the automobile had had tremendous social transformative power in the previous half century. Prior to the Second World War, Dixie had been an agricultural backwater with few cities of consequence, peopled by (among other groups) a dominant Caucasian peasantry called "rednecks" (because of the effects of the sun on exposed pale skin in the dusty crop rows).

States like Georgia, North Carolina and Alabama were huge. You could fit eleven Connecticuts in Alabama and have room for Rhode Island and Delaware. Unless they lived right along the railroad line, the folks down on the farm were pretty much stuck in place. The automobile liberated the redneck peasantry from the oppression of geography as emancipation had liberated the black peasantry from the legalities of chattel ownership.

In fact, the effect of the car was arguably much greater, since blacks continued to exist in economic quasi-serfdom despite the putative change in their legal status. The car and all its manifold benefits hoisted poor rednecks into a middle-class existence that had seemed like a distant fairytale previously, something only seen in the magazine pages they had used to wallpaper the rooms of their "cracker cottages" (their own typological term for such a dwelling). They became truckers and car dealers and car repairmen and the owners of fried food franchise shacks out on the highway. They made good wages and some became rich. Once a broad money base was established, they excelled at suburban development because rural land was so cheap, and there was so much of it. They worshiped the car more than they worshiped Jesus. The economy of the South was utterly transformed after the Second World War and the new economy was mostly about the car.

Cheap gasoline along with cheap air conditioning made the South livable for people who had a choice about where to make their homes. Cheap air conditioning in particular made city life possible in a region that had lagged hopelessly behind the states of the Old Union -- to the degree that Dixie had not a single city substantial enough for a major league baseball team prior to the 1960s. But the cities that arose in Dixie after the war were not like cities elsewhere in physical form.

Orlando, Houston, Charlotte and places like them had gone from being smaller than Buffalo, N.Y., to becoming immense crypto-urbations of ring freeways, radial commercial highway strips and far-flung housing subdivisions around tiny withered peanuts of prewar traditional downtown cores. Houston by the year 2000 was not a city in the traditional sense of being composed of neighborhoods and districts; rather, it was an assemblage of single-use zoning wastelands: the shopping wasteland, the medical-services wasteland, the university wasteland, the cul-de-sac house wasteland and so on, dominated by massive overlays of automobile infrastructure.

The economy of the "New South," as it liked to call itself in the late 20th century, was more about the making of suburban sprawl than the corporations that were lured down from the north to the Carolinas, Tennessee and Georgia for the cheap labor available. After all, the factories themselves eventually closed up shop as globalism made even cheaper labor in distant nations more attractive to corporate enterprise; but the sprawl remained, along with the office parks, where obscenely paid top executives now ran things, while the once-mighty working classes slid into a new kind of trailer-trash penury.

And that is where things stand today with the region and the nation it is still attached to, sleepwalking into the early years of a permanent global fossil fuel crisis that will once again transform the nation in ways we can only sketchily imagine. Into the first decade of the new century, the New South has begun to be viewed as so successful compared to failing regions like the Midwest rust belt, coastal New England, and even California (in its latter stages of being America's all-purpose shit magnet) that the behavior emanating from Dixie became paradigmatic for the nation as a whole. It was infectious. These days, the working and sub-working classes from Maine to Minnesota follow country music as avidly as the folks down in Spartanburg, S.C.

They favor the kind of military leisurewear -- especially camouflage gear, with patches and insignia -- that come straight from a region that is demographically overrepresented in the armed forces and sets the styles for all of lumpen America. They adopt locutions originating in the southland, the "y-offglide" (or the confederate a), for example, in which words like my became mah. They put "Git 'er Done" decals on their pickup bumpers, name their sons Buddy, and cry "booyah" when overcome by excitement. They revel in the romance of rearms to such a pathological degree that hardly a year goes by when some disgruntled employee in the United States doesn't lug a duffel bag with his own arsenal into a place of business and blow away two or three annoying co-workers in a rapture of scripted conditioning straight out of the Hollywood studios.

Some lumpen motoring activities have regional characteristics of their own that don't migrate well. Snowmobile culture arose in the northern states around 1970, when the take-home pay of people performing low-skill jobs reached its all-time high. A machine formerly used as a rescue vehicle at ski areas and a maintenance tool on ranches was marketed as a winter toy for grownups in its own right. This was clearly something that was not going to be as popular in Arkansas as in Minnesota. In fact, as this relatively new snowmobile subculture evolved, it became less about the machines themselves and more about drinking with friends in the outdoors -- an unfortunate combination as anyone who reads the newspaper in what's left of small-town America can see in the Monday police blotters when snowmobilers with six Budweisers under their belts decapitate themselves running through fence lines at 50 miles an hour. When they are actually on board the vehicles, usually en train with buddies, and not running into unforgiving objects or rolling fatally down ravines, the disturbance to the peace of the rural places they traverse is self-evident and horrible.

All-terrain vehicles, or ATVs, those clumsy three- and four-wheeled motorbikes, were most popular proportionately in the American West, where hunters were able to extend their range to the vast back country of federal lands and get their meat home with the assistance of a gasoline engine. Likewise, the dune buggy originated in California for the simple reason that desert terrain was adjacent to the populous Los Angeles basin. While it has persisted in its limited milieu, dune-buggy culture never quite recovered socially from its association with the murderous doings of Charles Manson and his "family." The dirt-bike phenomenon also came out of California but evolved quickly from an off-road work and play vehicle to the dirt-bike tracks of competitive racing, where it gave young men a way to channel surplus testosterone by winning trophies (and cash). Ironically, wilderness trail areas around the suburbs have lately been taken over by nonmotorized mountain bikes, which are causing plenty of destruction in their own right. The jet ski, or "personal watercraft" (in the military lingo beloved by the lower orders because it makes things seem more technically complex and hence magical), is perhaps the most baroque and arguably the last in the line of such dedicated leisure vehicles, being in essence a boat with hardly any storage capacity on which one can do little else besides move at great speed over water while soaking wet. Fishing from such a craft is awkward. Even drinking on them presents problems, especially where the bulky favored beverage of the sporting masses, beer, is concerned.

The abuse of public lands during this long fiesta of off-roading has led to a crisis of ethics and law. As of this writing, of the 262 million acres under the federal Bureau of Land Management, 93 percent is open to off-road riding machines. Of 155 national forests, only two are off-limits to off-roaders.

Regulation of snowmobiles, ATVs and dirt bikes on public lands has consistently failed in the face of lobbying by corporations who make these toys and of the peremptory claims of "rights" by those who use them. Whenever attempted -- for instance, an effort to limit access to snowmobiles in Yellowstone by the Clinton administration -- the rules have been defeated in short order. In a nation of outsourced blue-collar jobs, shrinking incomes, vanishing medical insurance, rising fuel and heating costs, and net-zero personal savings, the anxiety level of the struggling classes has to be appeased politically, and one way to minimize the current cost of that anxiety is to charge it off to posterity and the public interest.

Where does this leave us as we enter the new period of history I have several times alluded to: the post-cheap-oil world and eventually a world altogether without recoverable fossil fuels? You could say up a cul-de-sac in a rusted GMC Denali without a fill-up. Or you could say, more to the point, in a society that will have to get its thrills and satisfactions in other ways, involving fewer prosthetic projections of our will to power. The will to power itself will probably be subdued by something more elemental: a will to stay warm, clean, and well-nourished in the era of post-oil-and-gas hardship and turbulence we are entering, which I have taken to calling the "Long Emergency."

In this new era, coming soon to a 21st century region near you, the formerly industrial nations will have a great deal of trouble keeping the lights on, getting around and feeding their people. Vocational niches by the hundreds will vanish, while the need to make up for a failing industrial agriculture, with all its oil and gas inputs, will require a revived agricultural working class in substantial numbers. This is, in effect, a peasantry, and the word itself obviously carries unappetizing overtones, especially among those who used to be certain that the perfectibility of both human nature and human society were at hand. It all seemed that way, I suppose, in the early 1960s, when the United Auto Workers was setting up vacation camps along the Michigan lakes, and President Kennedy promised to put a man on the moon before the decade ended, and the doctrine of mutually assured destruction kept a sort of peace among the great military powers, and Dad drove home from the Pontiac showroom with a new GTO, which his son, Buddy, used to cruise the strip on Friday nights while "Born to Be Wild" rang out of the radio and into the warm, soporifc San Fernando night.

All over. All over but the keening for our soon-to-be-lost machine world. We'll have to find new satisfactions now looking inward and reaching out with our limbs to those around us to discover what they are finding inward and outward about themselves. We'll certainly find music there, and dancing, and perhaps some fighting, and we will still have the means to make bases and balls and sticks for hitting them, and gloves for catching them, and twilight evenings in the meadow to play in. Amid a great stillness. With the moon rising.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books, including "World Made by Hand," a novel set in the post-peak oil future. Read more of his work at Kunstler.com.

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Oil is Not a Fossil Fuel And Will Last As Long As The Planet
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 11, 2008 2:15 AM   
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Peak Oil is unscientific nonsense, as is the theory that oil is formed from dead plant and animal life.

Even a competent mathematician with no knowledge of physics should be able to reach the conclusion of the impossibility of oil being a fossil fuel. Just consider how much of the stuff there is in for example Saudi Arabia. How many dinosaurs does it take to make a barrel of oil? How come there were so many of them in Saudi Arabia? What makes Saudi Arabia so fertile that it can support the absolutely ridiculously high number of dinosaurs required to make all that oil?

Oh and while we are at it - if oil is formed from dead budgies - how did they manage to exists in such earth shatteringly large numbers on Saturn's Moon Titan? There's more oil on Titan than we've got here. It's swimming in the stuff. How can it possibly have been formed from budgies, dinorsaurs - or in deed any form of life.

The population of the US has been conned to believe all this nonsense. The Russians know where oil comes from and have been exploiting the fact for the last 50 years.

The US needs to wake up before it goes totally bust. The rest of the planet will carry on much as normal with a continuing transfer of wealth from West to East.

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Too Far
Posted by: Tompatriot on Mar 11, 2008 4:14 AM   
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Is there anything you like about motor vehicles? I consider myself fairly liberal, but I think you should move to France.

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why does the author deem what is obviously an opportunity to live better "the Long Emergency"?
Posted by: Suzon on Mar 11, 2008 4:41 AM   
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I gave up driving twenty years ago and have enjoyed a greater quality of life. (I still have the occasional no-response-from-the-brakes nightmare. It takes a long time to rid your brain of freeway panic.)

If by some miracle we agreed to stop all corporate activities which were not necessary to sustain life, we could all live very well indeed. The biggest lie is that of scarcity.

If we stopped the manufacture and retailing of clothing, for example, fashion would still exist as those so inclined would have the time to use their individual creativity.

Aviation, aside from search and rescue missions, isn't a necessity. The invention of the airplane has had worse consequences (especially for civilian populations) than nuclear weapons. The things we "need" most often turn out to be the things we can very well do without.

War could become so 20th century!

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Wow.
Posted by: pdecarlo on Mar 11, 2008 4:43 AM   
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This article is so patronizing. It's as if the author's aim was to write to an angry, liberal, educated, and rich class of people.

And a little revolutionary history for you: redneck doesn't just refer to working in the fields.

Wikipedia: The most probable beginning of redneck comes from The West Virginia Coal Miners March or the Battle of Blair Mountain when coal miners wore red bandanas around their necks to identify themselves as seeking the opportunity to unionize. This eventually led to lower classes being called rednecks.

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Kunstler writes for a long time to prove that he has no point.
Posted by: kenkruger on Mar 11, 2008 5:29 AM   
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Mr. Kunstler, you are extremely verbose for someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

The term "redneck" has nothing to do with the low-skill workers getting sunburned from working in the sun. It comes from the West Virginia coal miners and the battle of Blair Mountain, in which the workers wore red bandanas around their necks as a symbol of identity and the right to unionize, and thus gain basic human rights and a decent wage.

Additionally, the etymology of "cracker" is not self-imposed, as you imply. Rather, it comes from "corn cracker," a process used to make whisky. And it was applied as a derogatory epithet to all poor southern whites by the same northern liberal elites who used "nigger" for blacks.

When you get your basic facts wrong, you lose all credibility for whatever point you're trying to make.

Speaking of which, what exactly is your point? That the poor working class south is going to suffer more than the rest of the country when the oil finally fizzles out? You sound almost happy about it. Or smug is probably more descriptive. That you know how to use big words like "quasi serfdom" that the rest of us who say "y'all" and "mah" can't be bothered to learn? Jesus, dude, get over yourself.

By the way, it's not the "y'all" and "mah" crowd that's buzzing around Yellowstone and Utah on snowmobiles and ATVs like a plague of hornets. And when one of my bros rides his ATV into the hills of appalachia to shoot a deer, he has enough meat to feed his family for 2 months, and leaves less of a carbon footprint than you when you drive to the supermarket and pick up a pound of ground beef from one of the giant agri-businesses that is killing the planet faster than all the ATVs in West Virginia.

When the so-called "red staters" complain that the liberal elite are out of touch with reality, Mr. Kunstler, you are the guy they are talking about. When the lower economic class workers vote for a guy like Bush, it's not because they really love Bush, it's to spite people like you. You are part of the problem.

Your tone is arrogant, condescending, elitist, and patronizing. Not to mention ill-informed. You should be ashamed.

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fiction
Posted by: dwatkins9 on Mar 11, 2008 5:43 AM   
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It is clear that Mr. Kunstler is a novelist, as he has so little regard for facts, or documentation of same.

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DAMN RIGHT !! Now, it's time to conserve and use hemp, solar, wind, tidal, geothermal alt renewables
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 11, 2008 5:58 AM   
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All is not lost when we can significantly reduce petroleum's dominance by putting the above alt renewables to work and actually reward those who conserve rather than tax them as we're now doing. Plus, you can cut down frivolous wars and unemployment. Now who's ready to be a REAL WINNER and put this to motion ?

VOTENADER.ORG !!!!

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Have a Solar 100 before every NASCAR race!
Posted by: williameon on Mar 11, 2008 6:03 AM   
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Who can get there the fastest using the least amount of Fuel.
Points awarded for Time and Consumption.
Maybe
We can get
Mr. Good Wrench
To work on something:
Really Important?
He did it before and he can do it again.

Peak oil is Reptilian Propaganda.
Look who is spewing it.
It’s all BU__! SH__!
What are we now?
BU__! SH__! experts?
Net result.
Higher Prices.
Follow the money.
When the Super Rich get richer someone gets poorer.
Me and you that is.
Trouble is?
There is little hide left on this Bull’s Ass.

Once Alternative energy gets going
The Oil Monopolies will pull the
Plug again
By dropping Energy prices
Through The Floor
That's what happened in the 70's.
Price gouging and gas lines.
(Nixon, Rumdumb and
Mr. Nasty himself: Dead Eye Dick!
Same show, same scam, same channel.)
Play it again Sam.

Then The Corpirates buy any truly innovative
New Technology and shelve it.
To use against us on another day.

Keep oil prices
High
High as that Pie in the Sky.
The carrot.
Upward mobility?
Which today is Non Existent.

How much energy would we save if?
The WAR Machine shut down?
They are really making a killing!
In more ways than one!
When The War Stops: Gas will drop by 50%.

We live in a Corpirate System.
One Huge Mega Conglomerate.
With interlocked boards rules the world
From the top down.
That is why G.M. shelved the EVO and
Builds gas guzzling Hum Vs instead.
They want to lose money.
Move all the Factories over Seas.
Steal your job, house and then your nest egg.

If they ever put their money into their cars instead of into some their own pockets.
The vehicles would last longer, be very reliable, efficient, comfortable, more user friendly and a pleasure to drive.
There’re plenty of cars companies that do it now.
Net result they build shit.
That falls apart as you’re driving it out of the show room.

Speaking about the Dollar:
This is the plan.
Enslave the American People.
As fast as you can.
By devaluing their salaries, savings and incomes.
By devaluing the dollar everything you buy will cost more.
All the money you have is worth less.
The middle classes wages have been stagnant since the eighties.
Since The Reptilian God
Bonzo’s
Union Busting years.
Recession anyone?
Depression is much more likely.

You can only put off an economic correction for so long.
The hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
The correction worse and worse.
We are now on the edge of a precipice now.
A water slide to HELL!

Our children are the Lambs being led to slaughter.
By the False King
Simple George preys upon them.
Scatter.
Become self sufficient and self reliant.
The Tower of Babble is Falling.
Get out of the way.
Conserve and reserve your power and
Survive to another day.
To work on something we truly believe in.
That day soon:
When we are truly free and live in harmony
With our environment and neighbors.
The New Age is Born.
A spark of
The Creative Spirit
Resides inside of us all.
Help,
Fan that spark into a Flame.
That Lights up the World.

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Dang, this article went a long way to say we are screwed
Posted by: blondesprite on Mar 11, 2008 6:15 AM   
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The moral to the story goes something like this.
Every time a plane crashes we learn there were hundreds on board who were voluntarily clue less about airline safety.

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Cheap Oil Is Over: Kiss the Gas Guzzling NASCAR Era Goodbye
Posted by: WhatNow? on Mar 11, 2008 6:33 AM   
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Good!

It makes me sick to exist among so many idiots. It usually takes a lot of the bums down here in dixie a $30K truck plus a $20K boat to go fishing and the same truck plus a trailer and ATV to go hunting. They commute at 70+ mph in 5000 lb SUVs with usually two or less people in them.

These assholes are partially responsible for the great increase in the cost of transportation and the latest war crimes. They pad the coffers of dick cheney's best friends. They increase demand for fuel mostly through sheer waste so others who try to conserve resources are forced to pay greater costs.

If I had a family and said I needed a SUV for a vacation, I'd just get two four cylinder Camrys or Accords and get the wife to drive one and myself the other and cover the same distance for the same cost. I'd bet I could get more stuff and people in two sedans versus one SUV too. But such simple deductive reasoning is too much for most of the arrogant scum around here. If my self esteem was real low or my need to compensate was so great, I'd get a SUV so I could carry around my monstrous head too. It's a real shame humility, intelligence, and conservation are such rare commodities in this area. Also if it weren't for the market these bums help create or have been suckered into, I could probably get a Toyota Aygo (61 mpg) or a four cylinder Toyota Hilux (pick up) diesel that would get close to 40 mpg that are readily available in Europe. We could easily cut gasoline use in half in this country if we'd just drive more practical vehicles but we're too spoiled and too stupid to make a little sacrifice.

I've had my eye on a Toyota Echo for almost ten years now even when I was paying $0.88 a gallon for gasoline. But a lack of funds has kept me driving the same four cylinder pick up truck for the past twelve plus years. If i weren't a carpenter and we had some mass transit I wouldn't even need a vehicle but unfortunately I'm stuck in a bad situation that's only made worse by the incredible amount of waste a large percentage of fools readily espouse in dixie.

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» Why they vote for Bush Posted by: BCcovers
» not quite Posted by: Iconoclast421
The last gasps of the non-believers
Posted by: dougii on Mar 11, 2008 6:48 AM   
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The "left" is just another word for a group of people involved in group-think. Just like the "right".

Reality is what you will need to deal with eventually. America does not do reality right now, and many of the redneck, southern liberals will be up in arms that their inheritance is being stolen from them!

I was initially shocked by the responses here about how peak oil isn't real and arguing tiny details of etymology. But I should expect it, the end of the oil age is going to hit many very very hard, and they will lash out at the messengers.

Its time to prepare for a new life with less oil. Find a job locally, get involved in your community, get to know your neighbors.

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» RE: The last gasps of the non-believers Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
YOU PEOPLE WHO CONSTANTLY RAG ON THE SOUTH
Posted by: magiquarian1969 on Mar 11, 2008 7:19 AM   
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CAN GO TO HELL!!!!! I've traveled all over and believe me, rednecks aren't just in the South. This author puts out the same tired blanket stereotypes that others of his kind have done for years. The point that so many people seem to be missing is that our nation has spent trillions on things that benefit relatively few people. It's not that oil will run out, it's that so many people have this idea that constant consumption is possible with no consequence. There used to be so much innovation to improve and make the world a better place. Now people from ALL OVER THE WORLD have lost sight. Think of what America could have done with all of the money spent in Iraq if it had been managed well and focused toward positive change!!! I think people in ALL parts of the world are missing the point that the constant desire for power and greed are blinding us to what we are doing to the organism that sustains us. I like the AlterNet but there seems to be so much bickering that accomplishes nothing. The planet is for ALL of us and we can't just expect to suck it dry.

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The rising cost...
Posted by: Bbear41 on Mar 11, 2008 7:32 AM   
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..of fuel will result in reduced use of heavy machinery for excavation, construction, agriculture, etc, which means more use of human labor. The massive earth works to try to hold back the rising sea will be built by pick and shovel men. We can expect a labor draft and convict labor (we've got lot of convicts, haven't we?).

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40 years ago
Posted by: PJAW on Mar 11, 2008 7:54 AM   
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I was wondering, when the shit really hits the fan, and America takes note of the fragility of the limb it has crawled out upon, and the "land of plenty" will have plenty of everything except healthy food, clean water and fresh air, will someone stand in the backyard of his suburban playground, contemplating whether his snowmobile will taste better with ketchup and mustard, or just a little salt and pepper.

I found this piece by Cuntslur to be quite entertaining, and it has certainly inspired discussion. I'm old enough now that I can probably die in relative comfort in another 20 to 30 years, unless I get overrun in the melee by some hyperagitated freak who lacks the skills to feed himself and leaves a trail of mayhem as he thrashes about in frenzied misdirection hoping to survive another day so as not to deprive the planet and the species of his pointless presence, so I've pretty much taken to saying "fuck it" and content myself with watching the show. It's really getting funny, and I expect virtual hilarity in the near future. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!! We're all going to die! No shit, Sherlock.

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» RE: 40 years ago Posted by: signalfire
» RE: 40 years ago Posted by: Iconoclast421
NASCAR might just be the last feature of the old world to die.
Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle on Mar 11, 2008 8:12 AM   
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After all, top professional athletes make millions these days to keep the fans paying. $100 per gallon gas would be a mere incidental expense for the race sponsors, and lionizing crash-and-burn (burn-and-crash?) heroes will go a long way towards distracting the fans from the fact that they can no longer afford to take a pleasure drive, let alone jet-ski, snowmobile, dirt-bike, or what have you.

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» NASCAR is fucking stupid Posted by: meetmeineleusis
Boy, you'd think oil was the only thing...
Posted by: Graphictruth on Mar 11, 2008 8:14 AM   
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that made cars go real fast.

But methanol is what Nascar runs on. Could just as easily be ethanol.

And boy howdy, brew some up from switchgrass on the back forty and you got all the fuel you need to haul that corn liquor to market.

The REAL problem, as I see it, is the idea that anyone could or should be allowed to complexify the simple, toxify the non-toxic and use those things to deny plain folks the right to do for themselves.

But if you wanna know how to brew fuel - guess who will be happy to send you the plans? The ATF. Believe it or not - and the license is free. Ethonol can be used in creating biodiesel, and the technology is small, clean and ideal for local or individual use.

Then of course there's fuel-cell technology, getting to the point where you may well be able to pour in ethonol and get out electricity.

Now, I'm reliably told that the start up torque on an electric motor would make Enzo Ferrarri envious - and if you don't need all kinds of heavy batteries, and you for sure don't have the weight of an IC engine... dayamn!

In other words, Mister Snotty-pants Liberal, when it comes to personal recreation vehicles, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

You see, you can't imagine how folks might do better without the huge energy delivery network, and come up with their own. That's a truly liberal failing, the idea that a simple, non-centralized system might be better than an enormously complex centralized system with huge overhead costs that - among other things - produce tax and grant money for folks like you to write arrant twaddle such as this.

Now, I agree that there oughtta be some consideration for other folks and the general environment, but seems to me you have that confused with the idea of keeping the hoi polloi confined within their reservations, growin' veggies and free-range eggs for you and yours and not fouling the air with their queer
Anglo-Saxon expressions and "symbolic behaviors."

Well, Sirrah; while you are technically correct on many of your observations, that is easily done when one is willing to switch sweeping generalizations and exceptional circumstances when rhetorically convenient.

Now, I am sure that the idea of reducing nine tenths of the world's population to the status of peasantry - or lower - would be entirely gratifying to limousine liberals such as yourself, and environmental correctness does seem like a lovely religion to cloak such a lubricious necessity within.

But it's simply Corporatism, or Neo-Feudalism in a greener guise. And methinks Robin Hood might well show up to dispute the rationale, once again.

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» wow Posted by: Iconoclast421
The Appeal of Profligacy
Posted by: Red Clover on Mar 11, 2008 8:54 AM   
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Although many individuals may reduce their personal use of gas-guzzling vehicles, I daresay that spectator events involving such vehicles may well become more popular. There is something appealing to many people about witnessing the profligate use of something they do not have. If motorsports evolved as an enhanced version of powerboats, off-road driving, and bootlegger necessity, then their survival may rest on how disconnected they are to American reality. If corporate money sees a chance for profit, motorsports will become pure fantasy for the audience.

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I HATE NASCAR
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Mar 11, 2008 9:04 AM   
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THE SPORT YOU WILL NEVER PARTICIPATE IN..

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Equal Opportunity Offense
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 11, 2008 9:31 AM   
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I admit to feeling offended when I read the part of the article ridiculing the South and rednecks, since I fit both categories. As I read on and found that other areas of the country were also ridiculed I regained my sense of humor. However, for an article on such serious issues, I don't think that ridicule accomplishes much besides making people angry and the writer comes off as a prick.

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Hi, opmoc
Posted by: willymack on Mar 11, 2008 9:35 AM   
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OK, let's say you're right in your puport that petroleum is abiotic and endless, and all we need to do is to develop the technology to extract it. What then? Should we go right on consuming vast amounts of hydrocarbons and spewing vast amounts of CO2 and other nasty stuff into the air we breath? Is this our future? Don't you think it's time to move beyond using fire for power and locomotion with the technology that promises to free us from permanently fouling our atmosphere and producing permanent, decent-paying jobs? I, for one, am madder than hell about the fact that a few greedy degenerates hold us hostage to their lust for wealth and power. How about you?

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» RE: Hi, opmoc Posted by: opmoc
» RE: Hi, opmoc Posted by: Iconoclast421
The Author Probably Has A Cabin On A Lake And Hates Jet Skis, Hence The Bone To Grind
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Mar 11, 2008 9:59 AM   
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If people are willing to spend $50k+ on a Hummer, $8000.00 on an ATV and $35,000 on a bass boat, what makes you think they'll be phased by higher gas prices?

Once the last bit of profit has been squeezed from oil, we'll drive electric vehicles, and not a moment sooner.

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NASCAR?
Posted by: daniel1982 on Mar 11, 2008 10:00 AM   
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Whats wrong with NASCAR?!? And why would NASCAR end with higher fuel prices?

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» RE: NASCAR? Posted by: toddcory
» RE: NASCAR? Posted by: daniel1982
» What's Wrong w/NASCAR? Posted by: NoPCZone
» Awesome Reply NoPCZone Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: What's Wrong w/NASCAR? Posted by: daniel1982
» RE: What's Wrong w/NASCAR? Posted by: upHurled
» RE: What's Wrong w/NASCAR? Posted by: daniel1982
» RE: What's Wrong w/NASCAR? Posted by: waitingforgodel
NASCAR will switch to Ethanol or Hydrogen. Everythings changes.
Posted by: kungfoofighterx on Mar 11, 2008 11:05 AM   
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Indy cars run on ethanol. NASCAR will too. It would be way cooler if they skipped both ethanol and hydrogen and went to nuclear or fusion. That would make for way cooler wrecks. Its hard to ethanol burn and hydrogen burns straight up without much to see. Nuclear explosions. Thats big advertising money right there. Military like too. I bet those southerners would dig it. Right. Oak Ridge National lab and whats other one in Georgia? They could build the cars. By the authors comments you would be shocked to find any institutions in the south other than boat launches, race tracks, and SUVs.

Anyway. If this author could stick his noise any higher his neck would break. He is probably blind by from staring at the sun while he eats lunch in that hot southern sun. What an Ass.
"Cheap air conditioning and gas" made the south bearable, livable. WTF...............
People have been living in the South 20,000 + years.
Somebody should smack an editor.

Chariot racing is cool too. Ever see Ben Hur?

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jareilly
Posted by: jareilly on Mar 11, 2008 11:40 AM   
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I confess. I read the comments first, a bubbling stew of pro-vehicle, pro-South foaming at the "elitism", "liberalism", blah, blah, blah in Kuntsler's article. OK. Then I read it. It does have a sort of mordant low-level humor I'll admit, but I just don't see the source of all the angry backlash. Kuntsler is just saying the gas is going to run out, then everything is going to change but Farm League baseball will likely survive so all is not lost.

Seems to me that people always get angriest when your critique cuts a little too close to home, when your argument contains a few too many unavoidable truths. Chill boys! Crisis = opportunity. Get ahead of the new energy markets and your little part of the South might just rise "agin"!

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» RE: jareilly oh puhleeze Posted by: DaBear
» RE: jareilly Posted by: DannyMan
Kunstler... elitist snot, funny as hell
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 11, 2008 12:05 PM   
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Just when I thought James couldn't copy and paste fast enough he goes and does it again.

We'll have to find new satisfactions now looking inward and reaching out with our limbs to those around us to discover what they are finding inward and outward about themselves.

This very line I've now seen in almost every single piece penned by JHK. Dood, you need new material.

Still, it's funny stuff and I love the history he outlines. As for his post-oil baseball... well, thankfully I don't live near him in butthole NY. Out west we'll be playin' commie-ball (SAHkur)... like we do now. All one needs is a ball, and something to mark out a goal. And JHK will be still looking for someone to edit for his numerous typos... so much for the machine age and spellcheck, huh James?

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What? Me Worry?
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 11, 2008 12:36 PM   
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Kunstler provokes a wonderful sampling of styles of denial. I hope the thread here will be placed in a history vault so that our descendants will understand why the videos of late 20th and early 21st Century life show that we were so wasteful. They will have good reason to curse us.

The dominant form of denial explains it all: "I got mine. Everybody else better watch out." That pretty well covers why we are in trouble.

Yes, Kunstler charicatured red necks without explaining that there are several kinds. Sloppy. But I'd rather read Kunstler than statistical tables of numbers.

Either way those who don't want to listen won't. And that's always been the problem.

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» RE: What? Me Worry? Posted by: DannyMan
The Saudi Friends
Posted by: modeler on Mar 11, 2008 1:14 PM   
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Money is what counts for them and the Euro at $1.50 plus is no longer the basis for oil pricing. Recession here it comes!

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Once again the sheep come running to the newfanlgy preachers ...
Posted by: DannyMan on Mar 11, 2008 1:29 PM   
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KUNTsler is such a moron. He is almost as much as a moron as that idiot Matt Savinar (well, maybe they’re about equal). Don’t be fooled by these modern-day snake-oil salesmen. If you’re one of the anointed few, you’ll simply waste your life waiting for an end that will never come (well the end of your life will come, but what a waste when you could have lived!).

KUNTsler predicts the end of suburbia with semi certainty every year (see his comments this year, then let’s talk 20 years down the road …). These are the worst kind of leftist idtiots – and the kind most sane people would like to punch in the face - Smug, self rightious and stupid (but acting oh, so smart).

KUNTsler & Savinanr obsess over every down day of the stock market but never mention the good days. Funny how tat works. They say the housing “crisis” has American homes “worthless” – hmmm. Have you seen the prices of homes lately? They don’t sell BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL TOO HIGH! Wow, if a home drops 30% in a couple years after rising 300% in the 3 years before that, is that a collapse? Hardly. People will get burned for sure. Just like the dotcom implosion. And the tech bubble. And now, it is commodities – yes, even their beloved “peak” oil. Oil WILL fall. Billions are lost to greed. It is an ageless story. Go back to Holland’s great tulip bubble in the 1600s – same crap.

I’ll give you and example of their crap. Last year, they cried about an Iranian oil bourse – how that would be the end of civilization, wars, etc. I think they were holding their breath. Then, it just faded away. Uh, idiots, you can buy oil in ANY currency because you can EXCHANGE currency – dumb arses! Story after story and example after example can be seen like this from these two morons (much like the late-night TV preachers always finding an antichrist around every corner!).

I have to think they know what they are doing. They are anarchists preying upon people’s fears. It is so easy to tear them up, I (sometimes) grow tired of it for lack of a contest. They have become like the worst of the televangelists (Webevangilists?) and have created a new lefty-religion. What is it? Peak oil, anarchy and the end of suburbia (even though they’d be the first to get chewed up and spat out while tending their urban rooftop gardens!).

They are both such wusses too. When I killed KUNTsler in an email debate, his final response was a simple FU! I tore Savinar up on his site so badly – and not being insulting like I am now, but debating him into the dirt - he took all my comments off his forums and banned me (oooh, he’s a God!). He obviously didn’t want his stupid sheep to see any criticism of him and them wasting their lives waiting for the end of American life (if not, why not leave my comments up there so they could see how he trashed me?). Well, let me see … Maybe he wants them to not see how stupid they are so they’d quite buying the moronic post-apocalyptic books and utensils he pushes more and more on his ridiculous site (man, has his site turned from altruistic to commercial the past few years – what a surprise!)

I can go on and on, but I am tired of this for now. I want to jump on my jetski and burn some fossil fuels – I want to do my best to put enough CO2 into the atmosphere to help prevent such a horrible winter for my friends up north in the future!

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» RE: Aww...DannyDipshit... Posted by: upHurled
Literally intepretation
Posted by: toppun on Mar 11, 2008 2:43 PM   
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I guess most of the respondents to this article probably believe the bible "is" the word of god.

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Offensive and Filled with Errors
Posted by: clwill on Mar 11, 2008 3:03 PM   
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This article is offensive in its tone of disdain for the south, the poor, the non-college educated. This is just mean, and how it goes from smoking, and "git 'er done" to snowmobiles and NASCAR is just insane (or inane :) ).

NASCAR is rooted in South Carolina, not Alabama. In fact, there's no major race team and only one track in Alabama. This person just needs to get their facts straight. And it is rooted in moonshining, but that's a whole 'nother story.

The driving culture in the west far outweighs the south -- if Alabama can contain 11 Connecticuts, California or Texas or Wyoming could contain 4 or 5 Alabamas. The distances made strong arguments for the love affair with the car.

Other than NASCAR you can trace the origin of many motorsports to California -- drag racing, land speed racing, motorcycle racing, etc. all are rooted in post-war California. And let's not forget Indianapolis as a major hub of racing, and the origin of the "go round in circles" thing. NASCAR started out as a straight line race on the beach.

The origin of the snowmobile and the ATV come from the need for people to get across large open terrain, in the winter or the summer. Ranchers, farmers, etc. Their use as recreation followed only much later. If you look at all the ads for these things in the beginning, they were all geared to work, not to play. For the record, I find them all offensive too, especially on public land making noise at all hours of the day and night, and destroying land indiscriminately. I prefer sanctioned racing on dedicated land.

Now, to racing. Fuel and oil costs make up a tiny portion of a race team's budget. Like most businesses, something like 70% of the costs are people. Fuel and oil is about 2.5% of the annual cost. If that doubled or tripled, it's not a huge deal compared to the overall expense.

NASCAR and all high end motorsports are now a rich man's game. Just like owning a football team or such endeavor. To run a competitive NASCAR team for a year costs north of $25 million. For one car and driver. Several multicar teams have budgets approaching $200 million. This is entertainment, just as other pro sports, and people will put it on, and others will come to see it regardless if oil goes up 3, 5, even 10 fold. They're spending $150 per ticket to see a NASCAR race, and spending a like sum on food and souvenirs, you think the cost of gas to get there going from $25 to $50 will really stop them?

Want proof, look at Europe where gas is already 2-3x what is is here (and BTW, the distances are one tenth what they are here). Motorsports are HUGE. Formula 1 racing is the most expensive and widely watched motorsport in the world, by a factor of 2 or 3. The touring car championships are huge, drawing massive crowds. And let's remember that all of the premier high end cars come from Europe (Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls, Bentley, BMW, Mercedes, etc.) none of these things get bupkis for gas mileage, and yet the come from countries where gas is routinely $6-8+ a gallon.

What WILL happen is that recreational burning of gas will decrease. The snowmobile, ATV, dirt bike, RV crowd has never been wealthy and though they could always get a loan to get another vehicle, fueling them will be an issue as the price goes crazy. I wouldn't want to be one of the retailers of those things these days.

One of the things I find offensive about the article it that it doesn't mention boating. The MPG in a boat is often measured as a fraction -- a large yacht gets gallons to the mile, not vice-versa. And there are probably more boats per capita in the US than snowmobiles and ATVs combined. But boating seems like a rich person's game so the author avoids it -- some of their friends are probably boaters off Nantucket.

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I HATE CARS!!!!
Posted by: wireup on Mar 11, 2008 3:22 PM   
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I have ALWAYS loathed the automobile. And FINALLY I have been able to abandon it.

When I got a divorce I moved to a city at the end of 2006. I sold my car and have not been behind the wheel of an automobile since and I have not regretted it for one single moment.

I live in a wonderful city with with a good public transportation system - what a pleasure to board a bus and leave the driving to someone else! - and I walk miles every day.

WHO NEEDS A CAR?

I do, you say, because there's no public transportation where I live. Same for me when I lived on Long Island.

And I say: GOOD RIDDANCE TO THE AUTOMOBILE. If I never saw another one again, as long as I live, it wouldn't bother me in the least.

WE NEED PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ON A NATION-WIDE SCALE!!!!!!!!!!

DOWN WITH CARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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» RE: I HATE CARS!!!! Posted by: donl51
» RE: I HATE CARS!!!! Posted by: AlienSlave
The days of cheap oil may be over, but not for reasons given in this article
Posted by: joeunix on Mar 11, 2008 3:42 PM   
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The reason oil prices are spiking now has nothing to do with limited supplies.

What's creating the price spike past $100/barrel?

The answer is speculators.

From the hyperlinked text we read the following:

"OPEC rebuffed its top consumer, arguing that the world is well supplied with oil and blaming financial speculators and mismanagement of the United States economy for the current high prices."

The article continues, "With the United States economy slowing down, oil prices have risen sharply as investors seek refuge in commodities like oil and other hard assets to offset the drop in the value of the dollar and hedge against inflation."

"...Ali al-Naimi, Saudi Arabia’s oil minister, said in Vienna that there was no need to increase supplies by 'even one barrel of oil.' He said the reason behind today’s soaring oil prices was 'tremendous speculation'."

The bottom line is that "investors" are leaving the stock and bond markets (owing to falling prices--in the case of stocks--and yields--in the case of bonds] and are desperately looking to the commodities markets for "profits". There "investors" bid up the price of assorted commodities, including oil and ominously, wheat.

Last week, OPEC officially rejected Bush's request to immediately increase the oil supply, suggesting that the Bush administration--via lax regulation of hedge funds--was mishandling the American economy.

Peak Oil? Pfft, bull****.

The problem is out of control commodity speculation and the vicious deregulation of finance, which has taken place over the last seven years of continued Bush administration mismanagement and malfeasance.

There's good news, however, because all of this can be rectified.

The solution is simple, my friends. Remove key commodities--wheat and oil, for example--from commodities indexes and allow prices to be subject only to value predicated in the markets themselves--the basic law of supply and demand. Not some specious, speculative future supply and demand.

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» More bunk Posted by: joeunix
Kunstler--Good Writer, Bad Thinker
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 11, 2008 3:55 PM   
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I look forward every week to reading Jim's Monday commentary, in the same way as I look forward to seeing the latest weirdness on Drudge or World Net Daily. Kunstler is a bit like that guy who founded National Review--articulate, but soundly wrongheaded. The idea that we are in imminent danger of running out of oil is nonsense; Peak Oil, so-called, is more a religious belief system than based on fact. Our industrial-sized agricultural system is, to be sure, filled with venal characters and behavior that is downright cruel and stupid, but it too is nowhere near collapse; we're not all going to go back to some situation where everyone is a farmer, like the folk in Haiti, for example. As I said, Jim's interesting, but wrong. Just like the global warming fanatics. I am all for getting rid of our oil-based economy because of pollution, but not because of the CO2 and warming and all that glorious secular apocalyptic vision.

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War, USA Belligerence, Deficit Spending and the Weak Dollar Have Driven Up Oil Prices
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 11, 2008 4:34 PM   
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Oil prices have increased dramatically because of the instability in the world oil supply caused by:

1. The Iraq war.
2. US threats against Iran and NATO expansion
to the borders of Russia.
3. Especially due to the weak US dollar.

The Iraq war continues unabated with a US occupation force unable to gain firm control. Many parts of the country are still controlled by insurgents. The country literally "swims on oil," which cannot be extracted in an unstable political climate and while war is going on.

US threats and belligerence drives up the price of oil because of the fear of an attack on Iran. An attack on Iran would result in the Straits of Hormuz being closed and massive disruption to the world oil supply. USA military posturing with Russia drives up oil also because of instability and the fact that the Russians, who have lots of oil, are not about to increase supplies.

The dollar has weakened dramatically due to USA deficit spending to fund the wars and reduce taxes on the rich. Oil is priced in dollars, and the cheaper value of dollars equals more expensive oil.

Lastly, some want to say it is speculators who have driven up the price of oil. But, oil prices are controlled by much more then just speculators on the NY Mercantile Exchange and the futures market. Furthermore, speculators themselves respond to constrictions and changes in the law of supply and demand. This, in turn, is affected by all the factors I have mentioned above.

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» Not true Posted by: joeunix
» Yes, it is true Posted by: sofla100
» No, it's not true Posted by: joeunix
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» RE: No, it's not true Posted by: joeunix
NASCAR and Peak Oil
Posted by: kendallj on Mar 11, 2008 4:48 PM   
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Let's see now, this author wants us unwashed pseudo hillbillies to forsake our passion for the technology of making a small mass of metal go as fast as possible side-by-each with other similar masses of metal.
The need for speed will not be stemmed by even the complete disappearance of carbon based fuels. Hydrogen (which can be excracted from water using renewable energy) IC engines are being tested by the Henry Ford empire, battery storage technology is making great strides as are electric motors....The Car ain't even on the endangered species list, let alone dyin. Race fans go to watch machines not emmissions.
At least this self righteous, extremely maudlin, quill clown picked on bicycling too....that's my other passion.
That's 60 bucks (price of the James Howard Kunstler painful posturings) I can put towards an Xtracycle conversion for my bike.

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Hybrid cars are really making more sense for me
Posted by: dealmeinfo2 on Mar 11, 2008 6:26 PM   
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Up until recently, I never really considered getting a hybrid. But with the recent gas predictions, I have been thinking more and more my next car will be a hybrid.



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class, ethnicity and sneering at your social inferiors
Posted by: caple66wood on Mar 11, 2008 6:56 PM   
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You have no idea that this is offensive? None at all?

Why don't you trying writing equally dismissive of the humanity of African-Americans, Jews, or gays? Then you might recognize yourself as a bigot.

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A self-serving prophet and bigot
Posted by: Gungneir on Mar 11, 2008 7:36 PM   
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I liked what I read from Kuenstler when I first read "The Long Emergency" as it referred to a future that may very well be coming. However, as I continued to read the book cover to cover, I came to two inescapable conclusions, a)his grasp of history, while impressive, is limited to his head, not his gut and b) the man has zero understanding of how the REAL South actually works.

I dare him to actually call a real redneck a peasant (or peon) to his face. I'll even pay for his funeral. Whatever backwardness the average Southern white male may have (and there's usually a good supply), he still has a lot of pride...particularly when it comes to surviving the worst. If you're close to the bottom of the social order, you don't have that far to fall when it comes apart.

Maybe Mr. Kuenstler should keep that in mind the next time he opens his mouth. Chances are they're going to make it a lot easier than he will when the wheels come off.

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Schadenfreud m.
Posted by: lwbaby on Mar 11, 2008 8:27 PM   
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Kunstler hates ordinary, everyday people. He gleefully awaits what he hopes is the demise of people just being people living ordinary lives.

His agenda, which is that we all fall into the abyss that is his utopian vision of his world - we all are forced to move to row houses in inner cities and take busses everywhere ain't gonna happen.

Suburban people will find ways to preserve our way of life. There is no way in hell I will ever move back to a city and there are many more like me. We will find ways to compensate for high energy prices. There are too many of us to discount.

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» RE: Schadenfreud m. Posted by: DaBear
Love it or leave it
Posted by: srob on Mar 11, 2008 9:05 PM   
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$4 DOLLAR-A-GALLON GAS
Think about it...If consumers are consuming and spending, isn't that good for a free market economy? Just let the free market decide...you don't have a thing to worry about...The decider has decided this...Why do Americans think that their gov't (using their money) should do anything about this?I feel that the more I pay for a gallon of gas, the more PATRIOTIC I am being...It makes me feel "Proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free, And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me, And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today,
Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A". THINK ABOUT IT!
PS I am being sarcastic

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» RE: Love it or leave it Posted by: donl51
Here We Go Again
Posted by: Dixie Dawg on Mar 11, 2008 9:38 PM   
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Kunstler lives in a myth-less world, save the one of his own making,
which seems to run something like this….Applaud the demise of everything. Spin cynicism into a cloak of stylistic believability. Trip over your ego and fall face down into the small puddle of your lame title of social critic. Had Kunstler read a pile of other books, he could have just as easily taken his place on the profitable religious stage, peddling second coming scenarios and prayer cloths.

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Yeah, it's all the poor peoples fault!
Posted by: boonestock on Mar 11, 2008 10:17 PM   
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Yes, the current global energy crisis is all because poor people burn too much gas.
It has nothing to do with the catastrophic expansion of a global ruling class's ability to exploit the labor and resources of every population on the planet. Git rid of poor uneducated southerners and all our problems are solved!

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Quite unlikely
Posted by: cbrislain on Mar 11, 2008 11:56 PM   
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Nascar will continue until it consumes the very last drop of gasoline on the planet. Even as fans have to give up their V8s for cars that are more affordable at the pump, their longing for the good-ol-days when they had their flowmasters and their mag-wheels will find an outlet in spectatorship. If there is one spectator sport whose fans are so stubborn that the threat of the purely logistical impossibility of its continuation would only strengthen their resolve, it is Nascar. When the last car putters to a stop, having consumed the last drop of gas, you can bet it will be the most heavily sponsored car in all of racing history.

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» RE: Quite unlikely Posted by: DannyMan
The Sheep Have Come Out Of Hiding (Part I - too long!)...
Posted by: DannyMan on Mar 12, 2008 4:48 AM   
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[PREFACE: I don’t care of you lean left or right, but going too far either way is ridiculous. The following deals with one group that has gained a tiny foothold using the Internet and high gas prices. These folks are not too dangerous (at least from what I can see) except that falling into this trap is a sure way to waste your life. This was in response to the excerpt posted on alternet.org – it is a ridiculously insulting piece (of crap) by James Howard Kunstler]

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The LATOC (Life After The Oil Crash) sheep have noticed this excerpt. I’m betting they will pause from their orgasmic doomsday planning just long enough to talk each other into how stupid the rest of us are for living our lives (especially you foolish people in the suburbs and you stoopid, stoopid Southerners!). Just the few anointed ones spending countless hours eagerly planning for the end of suburbia and Western Civilization as we know it are the intelligent ones here - they have ANSWERS!

Yes, I’m being facetious …

These fools utterly waste their short lives playing some unoriginal, ridiculous equivalent of a post-apocalyptic role-playing fantasy. Instead of buying little figures and dice, they buy seeds, books on rooftop gardens, survival back packs and other little things peddled through the 21st Century equivalent of the snake oil salesmen (Example? Matt Savinar).

The best part? They sit around salivating for “the end” and they’d be the first ones who would perish in their eagerly-anticipated scenario! These are typically urban people who go biking and hiking once in a while and think they are going to survive the end of the oil age because they planed. Yeah, right …

[NOTE: I realize the above was a generalization and I know some of the flock would be exceptions to the rule – these geniuses sold everything to “get off the gird” – boy, they’ll show us!]

IF their dire predictions DO come to pass, my money would certainly be on the very ones they denigrate – people who fish, hunt, etc. and, particularly, the “poor white Southerners” and “NASCAR society” that James Howard Kunstler always finds so distasteful (basically, this article is just another cut and paste job by the master of regurgitation – he REALLY needs some new material!). Believe me, I wouldn’t bet on urbanites who play outdoorsman a week a year (and who have to stop their hike or bike ride because of a blister or they “are parched” and need to find some bottled water fast– you get the drift …).

Kunstler has predicted the end of suburbia with semi certainty every year for the past several years. He is the worst kind of miserable smug, self-righteous moron there is (so he wants the rest of us to suffer too). Of course, they say we’re all ignorant sheep and can’t see the truth. Uh, dudes, we know there are a LOT of problems. We understand we live in a “system.” But your way of dealing with it is so asinine, it’s beyond absurd! He does everything he accuses others of yet he can’t see his own shortcomings.

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» Wowee...DannyBoy! Posted by: upHurled
Sheep Part II
Posted by: DannyMan on Mar 12, 2008 4:49 AM   
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It’s funny how both Kunstler & Savinar “prove” their points too. They obsess over every down day of the stock market but never mention the good days. Funny how that works. For a recent example, Kunstler says the housing “crisis” has American homes “worthless” – hmmm. Have you seen the prices of homes lately? If they are worthless, I want a thousand today! They don’t sell – temporarily – BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL OVERPRICED. If a home drops 30% in a couple years after rising 300% in the 3 years before that, is that a collapse? Hardly. People will get burned for sure. Just like the dotcom implosion. And the tech bubble. And now, it is commodities – yes, even their beloved “peak” “peaking” or “peaked” oil is in a bubble . Oil prices WILL fall. Billions will always be lost to greed. It is an ageless story. Go back to Holland’s great tulip bubble in the 17th Century – same crap, different millenium.

Now I’ll give you a perfect geopolitical example of their brainwashing: In 2006, they cried about an Iranian oil bourse. Basically, a euro-oil-trading mechanism that implies payment for oil in Euro. This was tpo send the system crashing down. Wars, famine, the end (finally, yes!) was here!

Well, not much happened. Uh, you can buy oil in ANY currency because you can EXCHANGE currency, so the entire argument was moot before it ever started!

Now, story after story and example after example can be seen like this from this group of zealots. They are so much like the far-right preachers bending the Bible to find “proof” for the imminent apocalypse.

When I first discovered LATOC, I thought maybe Savinar was just misguided. But I have seen a steady transformation from peddling a few thing son his site to a commercial venture to save him from getting a real job (he is a lawyer so I am thinking that he just can’t cut it in a “fair fight” – I say this because I have seen where people have debated him with intelligence on his cite, then he actually TAKES THE POSTS OUT! Now, one may think it was language, etc., that compelled him to censor but when his sheep agree with him, all language, insults, etc. stand and are okay. Interesting show of character there …

What we really have here are anarchists preying upon people’s fears. Once again, we can see that the far left and right actually converge. These people are no different from the televangelists. They are Webevangilists of a new Holy Trinity: Peak oil, the end of suburbia and utter anarchy.

I invite everyone to go read the forums on LATOC. You know how a religious fanatic treats you when they speak to you? How they seem smug in the fact that they think there’s something you just don’t know? That is how the flock of these two operates. They think we all just have no idea of the Sword Of Damocles hanging over our heads. And like the Jehovah’s Witness who comes knocking on your door, they have ALL the answers (and such high Iqs – please enlighten me!).

In closing, I know this entire article sounds very pompous, but I don’t care. This is exactly what these two (and their brainwashed sheep) need to hear. Actually, I believe they already know it (you can just sense how miserable they are), but I want others to hear before they fall into this useless trap …

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Too many know-it-alls
Posted by: toppun on Mar 12, 2008 9:33 AM   
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I am wondering why they don't write their own columns sans metaphor and figurative language that seems to only get skin deep, or is it "under their skin"?

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Cars Are the Least of Our Worries
Posted by: worksg1 on Mar 12, 2008 2:23 PM   
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The loss of the car culture may seem tragic to Americans, but as an American living overseas I have a different perspective. The world has about 6.5B people now and food reserves are extremely low. As fossil fuels decline and climate change progresses, agricultural production will decline too. So will the world population.

"Green Revolution" agriculture is quite energy intensive, from the diesel fuel used by farm equipment and to transport the crops, to the natural gas used to produce the fertilizer essential to today's high production levels.

People have already begun to starve in the poorest countries and this starvation will spread to poorer regions of rich countries. As fossil fuels become scarce, world population could fall to 4B or even less.

Hungry men will work for very little, and even sell their children into slavery so that they and their children can eat. This has happened since the beginning of history and it is happening now.

There really are no cheap energy sources that will power the present "American way of life" in a post fossil fuel age. Wind, solar and nuclear fission power are quite expensive. Nuclear fusion power is many decades in the future, even if the ITER project succeeds. And building a new energy infrastructure requires a great deal of energy.

Many will not survive, and those who do will learn to make do with much, much less. It's best to begin learning how now.

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Eloquent but Pessimistic
Posted by: Urgelt on Mar 13, 2008 5:28 PM   
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Eloquently put, almost poetic.

That change is headed our way, there is no doubt. We'll soon be on the backside of the slope of peak oil, if we aren't already there, and it's going to get messy.

Messy and, at times, painful, I am certain. But there are energy technologies waiting in the wings. We'll be trotting them out very soon in large numbers. The machine age is not, as the author would have it, over, not by a long shot.

The key is the electrical grid and the many ways there are (and will be) to power and use it. Economies of scale will kick in as alternative power sources (solar, wind, etc.) ramp up their production and refine their technologies.

The market for batteries has grown to the point where it has finally attracted the sort of capitalization and attention that characterized the early computer industry; the next two generations of battery are already proved in laboratories (a generation is a doubling of performance) - which means Moore's Law may have arrived for this commodity at last. Batteries aren't yet competitive with gasoline for energy density. But they may become so, and in time, even exceed gasoline's energy density.

An optimist has plenty to look forward to, in other words. Best of all, the passing of peak oil means steady diminishment of CO2 emissions and their effect on global warming. That's something to be downright glad about.

As for NASCAR, yes, we'll see gasoline engines phase out of that sport. But to judge by the American Tesla Roadster and the British Lightning, electric cars will eventually pick up the slack and then some. You want torque? Acceleration? Electric is better than gas. I think the crowds will be cheering for stock car racers well into the foreseeable future.

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Edwin Black's Internal Comubustion tell's the real story of the Corporate origin of US oil addiction
Posted by: yellow on Mar 13, 2008 8:03 PM   
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From the mid-1890s until the Great Depression, electrically powered street trolleys that ran along rails laid along most of America's large to medium sized cities logged millions of passenger miles within and between cities for pennies per passenger/mile. The trolley cars, which were more efficient, lasted three times as long as diesel fueled buses, used hardly any fuel, required far less maintenance, and had more than three times the passenger capacity were cleaner to run suddenly succumbed to the biggest biggest scandle in US history.

The deep recession of 1921 created six million unemployed and ruined the saturated domestic automobile market in a year that GM lost about $65 million. Over the next two decades GM formed a conglomerate called National City Lines which incorporated within its ranks such firms as Standard Oil of California, Firestone Tires and other large corporations which stood to make a fortune destroying America's far flung, highly effective and thriving urban trolley car service. Within two decades the Conglomerate bought up, dismantled and destroyed the trolley car services in at least 45 major cities throughout the US. In 1947, the US Justice Department accused NCL of conspiracy and brought criminal charges. They succeeded in prosecuting the corporate front operation but only gave GM a token fine. The damage had been done. America's energy and money saving trolley system was destroyed and replaced by gas guzzling automobiles.

The issue returned to the fore in 1974 when GM was roundly denounced in the US Congress for the damage done to tne US economy and to national security by their greed in the light of OPEC's crude oil price quadruping. Today, as a barrel of crude oil is set to top $110, we should remember the dangerous legacy of this horrifying corporate conspiracy and do all we can to mitigate and reverse its harmful effects.

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Gas-Guzzling Bicycles?
Posted by: badger on Mar 13, 2008 9:07 PM   
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I've been a fan of Mr. Kunstler for years, and have been trying to change my lifestyle to fit the reality he presents. I just have one beef with this article: why slam mountain bikes? Sure there's hothead riders out there who love to "thrash the trail", but they are clearly in the minority. Most mountain bikers know better than to harm what we enjoy. Anyway, I might point out that mountain bikes do not use fossil fuel of any type (not post-production, anyway). In fact, the most frequently used fuel when you ride a bike is last night's dinner.
Surely Mr. Kunstler would approve.

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Rapid Roy, that stock car boy
Posted by: CZMD on Mar 15, 2008 12:09 PM   
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I've never been to a NASCAR event, nor have I watched one on TV, but even Jim Croce knew that 'stock' car racing had its origins in the running of moonshine. The hopped up 'stock' cars which had heavy duty springs, hidden compartments, and souped-up motors were needed to outrun the G-men in the delivery of that important contraband substance during prohibition, and because moonshine was produced in the south, stock car racing originated there as the best 'runners' competed with one another.

Kunstler should write an article about how the crowing of the rooster makes the sun come up. Smokestacks and cigarettes. Please. How we're ever going to save the world when people get paid good money to write this kind of pseudo-intellectual babble, I'll never know.

Which is a greater crime really, when it comes down to it- the blind consumerism of the American masses, or the blind disconnection of such American 'leftists' as Mr. Kunstler from the real world? At least the masses have the excuse that they're stupid. 'Intellectuals' are supposed to be smart.

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Oil is not a fossil fuel!!
Posted by: rickiey on Mar 19, 2008 11:18 AM   
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It is SCIENTIFICALLY impossible!

For plant life to turn into oil using natural process would take MILLIONS and MILLIONS of years!

All true biblical scholars agree that the earth is roughly 6000 years old, making the natural creation of oil from plant life, an impossibility.

(Permit me my humour, I couldn't resist)

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