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Noam Chomsky: Why Isn't Iraq in the 2008 Election?

By Noam Chomsky, Democracy Now!. Posted March 3, 2008.


The public is massively against the war, and the Dems are debating over tactics in Iraq -- here's why.

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The following speech, transcribed by Democracy Now!, was delivered by Chomsky in Massachussetts at an event sponsored by Bikes Not Bombs.

Not very long ago, as you all recall, it was taken for granted that the Iraq war would be the central issue in the 2008 election, as it was in the midterm election two years ago. However, it's virtually disappeared off the radar screen, which has solicited some puzzlement among the punditry.

Actually, the reason is not very obscure. It was cogently explained forty years ago, when the US invasion of South Vietnam was in its fourth year and the surge of that day was about to add another 100,000 troops to the 175,000 already there, while South Vietnam was being bombed to shreds at triple the level of the bombing of the north and the war was expanding to the rest of Indochina. However, the war was not going very well, so the former hawks were shifting towards doubts, among them the distinguished historian Arthur Schlesinger, maybe the most distinguished historian of his generation, a Kennedy adviser, who -- when he and Kennedy, other Kennedy liberals were beginning to -- reluctantly beginning to shift from a dedication to victory to a more dovish position.

And Schlesinger explained the reasons. He explained that -- I'll quote him now -- "Of course, we all pray that the hawks are right in thinking that the surge of that day will work. And if it does, we may all be saluting the wisdom and statesmanship of the American government in winning a victory in a land that we have turned," he said, "to wreck and ruin. But the surge probably won't work, at an acceptable cost to us, so perhaps strategy should be rethought."

Well, the reasoning and the underlying attitudes carry over with almost no change to the critical commentary on the US invasion of Iraq today. And it is a land of wreck and ruin. You've already heard a few words; I don't have to review the facts. The highly regarded British polling agency, Oxford Research Bureau, has just updated its estimate of deaths. Their new estimate a couple of days ago is 1.3 million. That's excluding two of the most violent provinces, Karbala and Anbar. On the side, it's kind of intriguing to observe the ferocity of the debate over the actual number of deaths. There's an assumption on the part of the hawks that if we only killed a couple hundred thousand people, it would be OK, so we shouldn't accept the higher estimates. You can go along with that if you like.

Uncontroversially, there are over two million displaced within Iraq. Thanks to the generosity of Jordan and Syria, the millions of refugees who have fled the wreckage of Iraq aren't totally wiped out. That includes most of the professional classes. But that welcome is fading, because Jordan and Syria receive no support from the perpetrators of the crimes in Washington and London, and therefore they cannot accept that huge burden for very long. It's going to leave those two-and-a-half million refugees who fled in even more desperate straits.

The sectarian warfare that was created by the invasion never -- nothing like that had ever existed before. That has devastated the country, as you know. Much of the country has been subjected to quite brutal ethnic cleansing and left in the hands of warlords and militias. That's the primary thrust of the current counterinsurgency strategy that's developed by the revered "Lord Petraeus," I guess we should describe him, considering the way he's treated. He won his fame by pacifying Mosul a couple of years ago. It's now the scene of some of the most extreme violence in the country.

One of the most dedicated and informed journalists who has been immersed in the ongoing tragedy, Nir Rosen, has just written an epitaph entitled "The Death of Iraq" in the very mainstream and quite important journal Current History. He writes that "Iraq has been killed, never to rise again. The American occupation has been more disastrous than that of the Mongols, who sacked Baghdad in the thirteenth century," which has been the perception of many Iraqis, as well. "Only fools talk of 'solutions' now," he went on. "There is no solution. The only hope is that perhaps the damage can be contained."

But Iraq is, in fact, the marginal issue, and the reasons are the traditional ones, the traditional reasoning and attitudes of the liberal doves who all pray now, as they did forty years ago, that the hawks will be right and that the US will win a victory in this land of wreck and ruin. And they're either encouraged or silenced by the good news about Iraq.

And there is good news. The US occupying army in Iraq -- euphemistically it's called the Multi-National Force-Iraq, because they have, I think, three polls there somewhere -- that the occupying army carries out extensive studies of popular attitudes. It's an important part of counterinsurgency or any form of domination. You want to know what your subjects are thinking. And it released a report last December. It was a study of focus groups, and it was uncharacteristically upbeat. The report concluded -- I'll quote it -- that the survey of focus groups "provides very strong evidence" that national reconciliation is possible and anticipated, contrary to what's being claimed. The survey found that a sense of "optimistic possibility permeated all focus groups and far more commonalities than differences are found among these seemingly diverse groups of Iraqis" from all over the country and all walks of life. This discovery of "shared beliefs" among Iraqis throughout the country is "good news, according to a military analysis of the results," Karen de Young reported in the Washington Post a couple of weeks ago.

Well, the "shared beliefs" are identified in the report. I'll quote de Young: "Iraqis of all sectarian and ethnic groups believe that the US military invasion is the primary root of the violent differences among them, and see the departure of [what they call] 'occupying forces' as the key to national reconciliation." So those are the "shared beliefs." According to the Iraqis then, there's hope of national reconciliation if the invaders, who are responsible for the internal violence and the other atrocities, if they withdraw and leave Iraq to Iraqis. That's pretty much the same as what's been found in earlier polls, so it's not all that surprising. Well, that's the good news: "shared beliefs."

The report didn't mention some other good news, so I'll add it. Iraqis, it appears, accept the highest values of Americans. That ought to be good news. Specifically, they accept the principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal that sentenced Nazi war criminals to hanging for such crimes as supporting aggression and preemptive war. It was the main charge against von Ribbentrop, for example, whose position was -- in the Nazi regime was that of Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. The Tribunal defined aggression very straightforwardly: aggression, in its words, is the "invasion of its armed forces" by one state "of the territory of another state." That's simple. Obviously, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan are textbook examples of aggression. And the Tribunal, as I'm sure you know, went on to characterize aggression as "the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself all the accumulated evil of the whole." So everything that follows from the aggression is part of the evil of the aggression.

Well, the good news from the US military survey of focus groups is that Iraqis do accept the Nuremberg principles. They understand that sectarian violence and the other postwar horrors are contained within the supreme international crime committed by the invaders. I think they were not asked whether their acceptance of American values extends to the conclusion of Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor for the United States at Nuremberg. He forcefully insisted that the Tribunal would be mere farce if we do not apply the principles to ourselves.

Well, needless to say, US opinion, shared with the West generally, flatly rejects the lofty American values that were professed at Nuremberg, indeed regards them as bordering on obscene, as you could quickly discover if you try experimenting by suggesting that these values should be observed, as Iraqis insist. It's an interesting illustration of the reality, some of the reality, that lies behind the famous "clash of civilizations." Maybe not exactly the way we like to look at it.

There was a poll a few days ago, a really major poll, just released, which found that 75 percent of Americans believe that US foreign policy is driving the dissatisfaction with America abroad, and more than 60 percent believe that dislike of American values and of the American people are also to blame. Dissatisfaction is a kind of an understatement. The United States has become increasingly the most feared and often hated country in the world. Well, that perception is in fact incorrect. It's fed by propaganda. There's very little dislike of Americans in the world, shown by repeated polls, and the dissatisfaction -- that is, the hatred and the anger -- they come from acceptance of American values, not a rejection of them, and recognition that they're rejected by the US government and by US elites, which does lead to hatred and anger.

There's other "good news" that's been reported by General Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker that was during the extravaganza that was staged last September 11th. September 11th, you might ask why the timing? Well, a cynic might imagine that the timing was intended to insinuate the Bush-Cheney claims of links between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. They can't come out and say it straight out, so therefore you sort of insinuate it by devices like this. It's intended to indicate, as they used to say outright but are now too embarrassed to say, except maybe Cheney, that by committing the supreme international crime, they were defending the world against terror, which, in fact, increased sevenfold as a result of the invasion, according to a recent analysis by terrorism specialists Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank.

Petraeus and Crocker provided figures to explain the good news. The figures they provided on September 11th showed that the Iraqi government was greatly accelerating spending on reconstruction, which is good news indeed and remained so until it was investigated by the Government Accountability Office, which found that the actual figure was one-sixth of what Petraeus and Crocker reported and, in fact, a 50 percent decline from the previous year.

Well, more good news is the decline in sectarian violence, that's attributable in part to the murderous ethnic cleansing that Iraqis blame on the invasion. The result of it is there are simply fewer people to kill, so sectarian violence declines. It's also attributable to the new counterinsurgency doctrine, Washington's decision to support the tribal groups that had already organized to drive out Iraqi al-Qaeda, to an increase in US troops, and to the decision of the Sadr's Mahdi army to consolidate its gains to stop direct fighting. And politically, that's what the press calls "halting aggression" by the Mahdi army. Notice that only Iraqis can commit aggression in Iraq, or Iranians, of course, but no one else.

Well, it's possible that Petraeus's strategy may approach the success of the Russians in Chechnya, where -- I'll quote The New York Times a couple of weeks ago -- Chechnya, the fighting is now "limited and sporadic, and Grozny is in the midst of a building boom" after having been reduced to rubble by the Russian attack. Well, maybe some day Baghdad and Fallujah also will enjoy, to continue the quote, "electricity restored in many neighborhoods, new businesses opening and the city's main streets repaved," as in booming Grozny. Possible, but dubious, in the light of the likely consequence of creating warlord armies that may be the seeds of even greater sectarian violence, adding to the "accumulated evil" of the aggression. Well, if Russians share the beliefs and attitudes of elite liberal intellectuals in the West, then they must be praising Putin's "wisdom and statesmanship" for his achievements in Chechnya, formerly that they had turned into a land of wreck and ruin and are now rebuilding. Great achievement.

A few days ago, The New York Times -- the military and Iraq expert of The New York Times, Michael Gordon, wrote a comprehensive review, first-page comprehensive review, of the options for Iraq that are being faced by the candidates. And he went through them in detail, described the pluses and minuses and so on, interviewing political leaders, the candidates, experts, etc. There was one voice missing: Iraqis. Their preference is not rejected; rather, it's not mentioned. And it seems that there was no notice of that fact, which makes sense, because it's typical. It makes sense on the tacit assumption that underlies almost all discourse on international affairs. The tacit assumption, without which none of it makes any sense, is that we own the world. So, what does it matter what others think? They're "unpeople," nice term invented by British diplomatic historian [Mark] Curtis, based on a series of outstanding volumes on Britain's crimes of empire -- outstanding work, therefore deeply hidden. So there are the "unpeople" out there, and then there are the owners -- that's us -- and we don't have to listen to the "unpeople."

Last month, Panama declared a Day of Mourning to commemorate the US invasion -- that's under George Bush no. 1 -- that killed thousands of poor Panamanians when the US bombed the El Chorillo slums and other poor areas, so Panamanian human rights organizations claim. We don't actually know, because we never count our crimes. Victors don't do that; only the defeated. It aroused no interest here; there's barely a mention of the Day of Mourning. And there's also no interest in the fact that Bush 1's invasion of Panama was a clear case of aggression, to which the Nuremberg principles apply, and it was apparently more deadly, in fact possibly much more deadly, than Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, happened a few months later. But it makes sense that there would be no interest in that, because we own the world, and Saddam didn't, so the acts are quite different.

It's also of no interest that, at that time of the time of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, the greatest fear in Washington was that Saddam would imitate what the United States had just done in Panama, namely install a client government and then leave. That's the main reason why Washington blocked diplomacy in quite interesting ways, with almost complete media cooperation. There's actually one exception in the US media. But none of this gets any commentary. However, it does merit a lead story a few days later, when the Panamanian National Assembly was opened by President Pedro Gonzalez, who's charged by Washington with killing two American soldiers during a protest against President Bush no.1, against his visit two years after the invasion. The charges were dismissed by Panamanian courts, but they're upheld by the owner of the world, so he can't travel, and that got a story.

Well, to take just one last illustration of the depth of the imperial mentality, New York Times correspondent Elaine Sciolino, veteran correspondent, writes that "Iran's intransigence [about nuclear enrichment] appears to be defeating attempts by the rest of the world to curtail Tehran's nuclear ambitions." Well, the phrase "the rest of the world" is an interesting one. The rest of the world happens to exclude the vast majority of the world, namely the non-aligned movement, which forcefully endorses Iran's right to enrich uranium in accordance with the rights granted by its being a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. But they're not part of the world, even though they're the large majority, because they don't reflexively accept US orders, and commentary like that is unremarkable and unnoticed. You're part of the world if you do what we say, obviously. Otherwise, you're "unpeople."

Well, we might, since we're on Iran, might tarry for a moment and ask whether there's any solution to the US-Iran confrontation over nuclear weapons, which is extremely dangerous. Here's one idea. First point, Iran should be permitted to develop nuclear energy, but not nuclear weapons, as the Non-Proliferation Treaty determines.

Second point is that there should be a nuclear weapons-free zone in the entire region, Iran to Israel, including any US forces that are present there. Actually, though it's never reported, the United States is committed to that position. When the US invaded Iraq in 2003, it appealed to a UN resolution, Resolution 687, which called upon Iraq to eliminate its weapons of mass destruction. That was the flimsy legal principle invoked to justify the invasion. And if you look at Resolution 687, you discover that one of its provisions is that the US and other powers must work to develop a nuclear weapons-free zone in the Middle East, including that entire region. So we're committed to it, and that's the second element of this proposal.

The third element of the proposal is that the United States should accept the Non-Proliferation Treaty, a position which happens to be supported by 82 percent of Americans, namely that it should accept the requirement, in fact the legal requirement, as the World Court determined, to move to make good-faith efforts to eliminate nuclear weapons altogether.

And a fourth proposal is that the US should turn to diplomacy, and it should end any threats against Iran. The threats are themselves crimes. They're in violation of the UN Charter, which bars the threat or use of force.

Well, of course, these four proposals -- again, Iran should have nuclear energy, but not nuclear weapons; there should be a weapons-free zone throughout the region; the US should accept the Non-Proliferation Treaty; there should be a turn to diplomacy and an end to threats -- these are almost unmentionable in the United States. Not a single candidate would endorse any part of them, and they're never discussed, and so on.

However, the proposals are not original. They happen to be the position of the overwhelming majority of the American population. And interestingly, that's also true in Iran; roughly the same overwhelming majority accepts all of these proposals. But that's -- the results come from the world's most prestigious polling agency, but not reported, as far as I could discover, and certainly not considered. If they were ever mentioned, they would be dismissed with the phrase "politically impossible," which is probably correct. It's only the position of the large majority of the population, kind of like national health care, but not of the people that count. So there are plenty of "unpeople" here, too -- in fact, the large majority. Americans share this property of being "unpeople" with most of the rest of the world. In fact, if the United States and Iran were functioning, not merely formal, democracies, then this dangerous crisis might be readily resolved by a functioning democracy -- I mean, one in which public opinion plays some role in determining policy, rather than being excluded -- in fact, unmentioned, because, after all, they're "unpeople."

Well, while we're on Iran, I guess I might as well turn to the third member of the famous Axis of Evil: North Korea. There is an official story -- read it right now -- is that the official story is this, that after having been compelled to accept an agreement on dismantling its nuclear weapons and the facilities, after having been compelled to agree to that, North Korea is again trying to evade its commitments in its usual devious way. So The New York Times headline reads "The United States Sees Stalling by North Korea on Nuclear Pact." And the article then details the charges of how North Korea is not going through with its responsibility. It's not releasing information that it's promised to release. If you read the story to the last paragraph -- and that's always a good idea; that's where the interesting news usually is when you read a news story -- but if you manage to get to the last paragraph, you discover that it's the United States that has backed down on the pledges made in the agreement.

The US just refused to supply it. It's refused only -- it's supplied only 85 percent of the fuel that it promised, and it was supposed to improve diplomatic relations, of course not doing that. Well, that's quite normal.

If you want to find out what's going on in the US-North Korea nuclear standoff, it's better -- you have to go to the specialist literature, which is uniform on it, nothing hidden, and in fact sort of sneaks out into small print in the press reports, as I mentioned. What you find is that North -- I mean, North Korea may be the most hideous state in the world, but that's not the point here. Its position has been pretty pragmatic. It's kind of tit-for-tat. The United States gets more aggressive, they get more aggressive. The United States moves towards diplomacy and negotiations, they do the same.

So when President Bush came in, there was an agreement -- it was called the Framework Agreement that had been established in 1994 -- and neither the US nor North Korea was quite living up to it. But it was more or less functioning. At that time, North Korea, under the Framework Agreement, had stopped any testing of long-range missiles. It had maybe one or two bombs worth of plutonium, and it was verifiably not making more. Now, that was when George Bush entered the scene. And now it has eight to ten bombs, long-range missiles, and it's developing plutonium.

And there's a reason. The Bush regime immediately moved to a very aggressive stance. The Axis of Evil speech was one example. Intelligence was released claiming that North Korea was carrying out -- was cheating, had clandestine programs. It's rather interesting that these intelligence reports, five years later, have been quietly rescinded as probably inadequate. The reason presumably is that if an agreement is reached, there will be inspectors in North Korea, and they'll find that this intelligence had as much validity as the claims about Iraq, so they're being withdrawn. Well, North Korea responded to all of this by ratcheting up its missile and weapons development.

In September 2005, under pressure, the United States did agree to negotiations, and there was an outcome. September 2005, North Korea agreed to abandon -- quoting -- "all nuclear weapons and existing weapons programs" and to allow international inspection. That would be in return for international aid, mainly from the United States, and a non-aggression pledge from the US and an agreement that the two sides -- I'm quoting -- would "respect each other's sovereignty, exist peacefully together and take steps to normalize relations."

Well, the United States, the Bush administration, had an instant reaction. It instantly renewed the threat of force. It froze North Korean funds in foreign banks. It disbanded the consortium that was supposed meet to provide North Korea with a light-water reactor. So North Korea returned to its weapons and missile development, carried out a weapons test, and confrontation escalated. Well, again, under international pressure and with its foreign policy collapsing, Washington returned to negotiations. That led to an agreement, which Washington is now scuttling.

There's an earlier history, an interesting one. You recall a couple of weeks ago, there was a mysterious Israeli bombing in northern Syria, never explained, but it a sort of hinted that this had something to do with Syria building nuclear facilities with the help of North Korea. Pretty unlikely, but whether it's true or not, there's an interesting background, which wasn't mentioned. In 1993, Israel and North Korea were on the verge of an agreement, in which Israel would recognize North Korea and in return North Korea would agree to terminate any weapons-related -- missile, nuclear, other -- any weapons-related activity in the Middle East. That would have been an enormous boon to Israel's security. But the owner of the world stepped in. Clinton ordered them to refuse. Of course, you have to listen to the master's voice. So that ended that. And it may be that there are North Korean activities in the Middle East that we don't know about.

Well, let me finally return to the first member of the Axis of Evil: Iraq. Washington does have expectations, and they're explicit. There are outlined in a Declaration of Principles that was agreed upon, if you can call it that, between the United States and the US-backed, US-installed Iraqi government, a government under military occupation. The two of them issued the Declaration of Principles. It allows US forces to remain indefinitely in Iraq in order to "deter foreign aggression" -- well, the only aggression in sight is from the United States, but that's not aggression, by definition -- and also to facilitate and encourage "the flow of foreign investments [to] Iraq, especially American investments." I'm quoting. That's an unusually brazen expression of imperial will.

In fact, it was heightened a few days ago, when George Bush issued another one of his signing statements declaring that he will reject crucial provisions of congressional legislation that he had just signed, including the provision that forbids spending taxpayer money -- I'm quoting -- "to establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of [United States} Armed Forces in Iraq" or "to exercise [United States] control of the oil resources of Iraq." OK? Shortly after, the New York Times reported that Washington "insists" -- if you own the world, you insist -- "insists that the Baghdad government give the United States broad authority to conduct combat operations," a demand that "faces a potential buzz saw of opposition from Iraq, with itsdeep sensitivities about being seen as a dependent state." It's supposed to be more third world irrationality.

So, in brief, the United States is now insisting that Iraq must agree to allow permanent US military installations, provide the United -- grant the United States the right to conduct combat operations freely, and to guarantee US control over the oil resources of Iraq. OK? It's all very explicit, on the table. It's kind of interesting that these reports do not elicit any reflection on the reasons why the United States invaded Iraq. You've heard those reasons offered, but they were dismissed with ridicule. Now they're openly conceded to be accurate, but not eliciting any retraction or even any reflection.

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Professor of linguistics at MIT for over half a century, Chomsky is the author of dozens of books on US foreign policy. His most recent is The Essential Chomsky.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 3, 2008 1:23 AM   
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The Bush administration: Try 'em & Fry 'em

There's no statute of limitations on genocide.

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: madmax427
Unpeople
Posted by: mike_burns on Mar 3, 2008 2:58 AM   
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Either you are part of the corporate elite, or you are unpeople.
The language has changed and redefined us, and the world.
Personel has become Human Resources. Enferring that is something to be exploited than be hired.
They control or media, and our work place, as well as the world.
Hitler's dream has come true.

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» RE: Unpeople Posted by: ronheri
» RE: Unpeople Posted by: Doubtom
Why isn't this in the op-ed section of the New York Times?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 3, 2008 4:12 AM   
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It'd make great reading side-by-side with William Kristol's articles praising the Iraq war and the neoconservative agenda, wouldn't it? Why not do this? Call up the New York TImes and ask them if they'd consider giving column space to this article.

While you are at it, as the Times why they're refusing to print any real analysis of the reasons behind the Iraq war - a topic the British press is less shy about:

Iraq poised to end drought for thirsting oil giants, Danny Fortson, Guardian January 2007

"After 35 years, the third-largest reserves in the world are to be opened to American and British companies. . . The biggest oil companies are finding it ever harder to uncover new reserves to replace those that are going dry. Iraq sits on a sea of easily tapped, high-quality crude.

For a sector desperate for a panacea, the stakes couldn't be higher. By conservative estimates, Iraq represents about one-tenth of the world's reserves at 115 billion barrels. Most of this is untapped or under-exploited. . ."


The New York Times, on the other hand, persists in printing garbage like this:
Compromise on Oil Law in Iraq Seems to Be Collapsing, Sept 2007

"The oil law — which would govern how oil fields are developed and managed — is one of several benchmarks that the Bush administration has been pressing the Iraqis to meet as a sign that they are making headway toward creating an effective government."

Bull - the "oil agreement", as the previous article shows, is all about ensuring that the likes of Exxon and Shell and BP and Chevron control decisions about Iraqi oil production.

The NYT and Glanz also avoid any mention of another main player in Iraq - the Iraqi oil unions, who continue to claim that they can produce oil with zero foreign investment. Yes, best to ignore them entirely, isn't it?

Most news outlets, including the wire services, are putting the pro-international oil corporation spin on the Iraqi oil story and trying to present it as a charity case - "the IOCs will invest billions in Iraq and rescue them!"

Numerous authors have written articles about the real situation (Antonia Juhasz most notably) and here is another example: Iraqi Labor vs. Big Oil, By Kathlyn Stone, Feb 2007. Still, the U.S. corporate press absolutely refuses to analyze or discuss the oil reasons behind the invasion of Iraq, nor to review why they published all the lies about Iraqi WMDs without presenting the opposing (and accurate) view.

The real reasons for the war were never in doubt: West Sees Glittering Prizes Ahead in Giant Oilfields, Times of London, 2002

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» Israel-firsters?? at the NY Times Posted by: MobileSucks
Just remember....
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Mar 3, 2008 4:21 AM   
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"Those who make peaceful evolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy
I'm quoting one of your presidents, himself quoted in one of last week's alternet's articles.
The day the "unpeople" have nothing more to loose, they will put their lifes on the line.
Then, you will not have one Irak, but one hundred Iraks.
The sad thying is that hundreds of millions of lifes are and will be spent on ridding the world of the USA.

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Nagual
Posted by: Nagual on Mar 3, 2008 4:34 AM   
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Judging by the Oxford Research Bureau's statistics, Bush is working his way up to Pol Pot status!

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I am ashamed that Chomsky got honorary doctorate at Uppsala University, Sweden
Posted by: Swedish liberal on Mar 3, 2008 4:43 AM   
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Naom Chomsky professor of Linguistics, not Interntional Politics i.e when his speaks on International Politics he speaks as an ordinary civilian without, so why does he say in all his writings that he is a professor? To get credibility by the gullible.

He managed to get a honorary doctorate at Uppsala Univeristy. I am ashemed by my fellow country men.

Oliver Kamm on Naom Chomsky in Prospect magazine www.prospect-magazine.co.uk.

I could not have said it better myself!

"In his book Public Intellectuals: A Study of Decline, Richard Posner noted that "a successful academic may be able to use his success to reach the general public on matters about which he is an idiot." Judging by caustic remarks elsewhere in the book, he was thinking of Noam Chomsky. He was not wrong.
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If Chomsky's political writings expressed merely an idée fixe, they would be a footnote in his career as a public intellectual. But Chomsky has a dedicated following among those of university education, and especially of university age, for judgements that have the veneer of scholarship and reason yet verge on the pathological. He once described the task of the media as "to select the facts, or to invent them, in such a way as to render the required conclusions not too transparently absurd—at least for properly disciplined minds." There could scarcely be a nicer encapsulation of his own practice.

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One thing Chomsky missed
Posted by: Democritus on Mar 3, 2008 4:44 AM   
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Yes, we all know that we invaded Iraq because we wanted to steal their oil. Why are the Democratic candidates not talking about this? Perhaps it's because they think we can still get away with it. McCain certainly thinks so. What difference does it make that we've turned Iraq into a garbage dump, if there's a possibility of controlling that oil? To sugarcoat our not pulling out of Iraq post haste the candidates say they want to "stabilize" Iraq. That's utter nonsense, because we're the ones doing the destabilzing by remaining.

But Chomsky missed a key ingredient in our role as "owner of the world." That is the "global war on terror" (GWOT). What we have done since the Reagan years is manufacture a war out of nothing. Whenever we want to justify doing things supposedly in "our national interest," whether it's helping to overthrow other governments, as we did in Chile; or whether we want to crush insurrections in countries with whom we can "do business," such as in Argentina, we say we do it because we're fighting against terrorism. Now, as Chomsky well knows, terrorism is a bad thing, and it's something we should all fight. But that would mean fighting ourselves, because we are the world's biggest practitioner of terrorism. What do you think "shock and awe" was all about, except as an exercise in terrorism? Then there's our bulldog in the Middle East, Israel. It's difficult to know whether the terrorist tactics of Israel were learned from us, or whether they are teaching us a few things, as well. But the ongoing attacks on civilians in Gaza, in Lebanon, are all being justified as a "response" to terror, and not terror itself. In other words, the terrorist is always the other guy, and we're just the counter-terrorists.

When our government could still raise the menace of communism, terrorism could be depicted as the method of choice used by Soviet Union. Now that this dodge won't work anymore, we've concocted a new enemy--"Islamofascism"--to take up the slack. This is the only way that our leaders can brainwash its citizens into going along with using our military muscle to cow other countries into submission, or else to invade them. Expose the GWOT for the phony war that it is and you've come a long way toward getting back to the principles enunciated in the Nurenburg decisions.

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» RE: One thing Chomsky missed Posted by: Iconoclast421
Gee, Noam...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 3, 2008 4:47 AM   
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... maybe they just asked why it would matter.

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Poles (i.e. Polish troops), not polls
Posted by: larrio on Mar 3, 2008 5:30 AM   
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An error in the transcript, that should read " The US occupying army in Iraq -- euphemistically it's called the Multi-National Force-Iraq, because they have, I think, three Poles there somewhere"

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Count American citizens among the "unpeople."
Posted by: itzamirakul on Mar 3, 2008 5:43 AM   
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"...the tacit assumption that underlies almost all discourse on international affairs. The tacit assumption, without which none of it makes any sense, is that we own the world. So, what does it matter what others think? They're "unpeople," nice term invented by British diplomatic historian [Mark] Curtis, based on a series of outstanding volumes on Britain's crimes of empire -- outstanding work, therefore deeply hidden. So there are the "unpeople" out there, and then there are the owners -- that's us -- and we don't have to listen to the "unpeople."

I disagree that "we own the 'unpeople'" and in my opinion it is the neocons such as Wolfowitz and Perle and members of the Israeli government as well as AIPAC that "own the unpeople."

This will continue until the American people finally get the cajones to stand up and say, "We support Israel and recognize them as friends, but neither their government nor their surrogates in the Corporate Lobby will be allowed to pull Americans around by puppet strings to satisfy their own desires and benefits any longer."

That time is rapidly approaching.

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It is the war stupid
Posted by: solrev on Mar 3, 2008 6:23 AM   
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McCain has two make the election a referendum on the Iraq war; he does not have any place else to go. The choice is McCain who will fight for victory in Iraq or Obama who will talk his way to victory in Iraq. If Obama would say; “I will stand before the Iraqi people and tear up the national oil law and then I will tear up their constitution and tell them to write their own words. Now, do not shoot us in the ass as we get out of dodge.” I would vote for him. I think Obama will cut a deal with Iran “give us what we want and you can have Iraq”. The choice now becomes bullets for Iran or bucks for Iran. The Iraqi are the non-people. Obama can even get Iran to support us in Afghanistan and possibly against Pakistan. So, we get to maintain our oil dollars and Iran gets Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Don't you just love a winner?

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Fortunately,
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Mar 3, 2008 6:29 AM   
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All this "non people" chat in places like alternet makes me think america isn't dead yet.
Please people ! Please tell me that you are not a minority in your country.
Please, let me bleieve that most americans have the courage of finding new means of energy instead of waging endless wars for the remains of the old ones.
Please, let me believe they will be able to restrain their marketeeing induced comfort to establish a new social contract, engaging all the peoples of the world.
Please tell me you are able to stop the armageddon you yourselves created.
Please, let me believe that from the inside of its guts america still has the force to redress itself and help redress the world.
By reading the blogs it seems possible. Is it?

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» RE: Fortunately, Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Fortunately, Posted by: lenioui
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» RE: Fortunately,...UNFORTUNATELY! Posted by: saltoafronteira
Jewish Voice for Peace campaign
Posted by: itzamirakul on Mar 3, 2008 6:32 AM   
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/www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/article_976.shtml

This organization is running a campaign to encourage our congressional leaders to vote against this year's budget for aid to Israel until the occupation is over since they say that an enormous amount of our financial aid goes to furnish weapons, etc to the Israeli army.

You might want to read this and consider signing the petition.

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What Chomsky doesn't say
Posted by: daw13 on Mar 3, 2008 6:34 AM   
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is that the war is much more than a failure of morality, of ethics, of economy. It is very likely a failure of empire. The Bush administration's use of this threat to dismantle U.S. Democracy and create a police state doesn't mean the threat is not real.

Not that morality and ethics don't matter. But for most people they matter less than physical survival. Most view the world as a collection of great gangs, the toughest gang prevailing. So long as the Neocons can sell the perception that, however ruthless, disgusting, despicable they may appear, their stewardship assures U.S. supremacy, the average person no matter his or her political position, humanitarian idealism, or economic situation takes this fact more seriously than any other.

Why the Left refuses to address this issue is a mystery to me (maybe another commentor will explain it). It is our human nature to care deeply about members of our own in-group, but it is also our nature to decided how to deal with others on rational grounds that may exclude empathy. If the Neocons can dominate the world short of US citizens' intervention, as Chomsky suggests is indeed the case, then based on the history most of us have been taught, this might seem a rational, if ruthless thing to do.

In fact, much evidence indicates the contrary. It would be helpful for Chomsky and others of his group to present this evidence. Or at least raise the question for debate.

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» RE: What Chomsky doesn't say Posted by: leafsong1
» So you most likely feel Posted by: daw13
» Wu-u-u-u-ut? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Wu-u-u-u-ut? Posted by: daw13
» RE: Wu-u-u-u-ut? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: What Chomsky doesn't say Posted by: saltoafronteira
» RE: perverted empirialism Posted by: daw13
» RE: perverted empirialism Posted by: saltoafronteira
McCain is talking about Iraq.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 3, 2008 6:35 AM   
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He's talking about it because it is safe for him to say "Stay the course." Yes, we all already know the course is as Chomsky describes it. What he doesn't mention is how rich the rich have gotten off the growing national debt.

American foreign policy is governed by the same principles that govern the American corporate economy. Take the money and run--or in this case, send our kids to die.

Then take a look at the polls of American candidate preferences. McCain, the war candidate, runs neck and neck against candidates who do their best to avoid the issue.

You can blame Bush if you like. I blame the American people. We elect war mongers. We hate peace mongers. Those who profit from war use enough of their profits to saturate our ethos with lies. Maybe Lincoln was wrong. Maybe you can fool all the people all of the time.

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The Long Invisable War
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 3, 2008 7:01 AM   
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Nir Rosen, has just written an epitaph entitled "The Death of Iraq" in the very mainstream and quite important journal Current History. He writes that "Iraq has been killed, never to rise again. The American occupation has been more disastrous than that of the Mongols, who sacked Baghdad in the thirteenth century," which has been the perception of many Iraqis, as well. "Only fools talk of 'solutions' now," he went on. "There is no solution. The only hope is that perhaps the damage can be contained."

First of all, this breaks my heart, GWB/CHENEY will have to answer to God someday. Among other offences, I hope we will see them both indicted for war crimes against the Iraqi people before all is said and done.

There is practically no coverage of the war. 2 million to 4 million displaced Iraqis, causing the greatest humanitarian disaster in recent history, humanitarian organizations across the world are stretched to breaking, and we don't see anything of it on the news.

We don't see the flag-draped coffins of our soldiers, we rarely if ever see our veterans, or many interviews with the National Guard on ruthless rotating shifts. There is so little coverage of the war it has fallen to the back of minds. It barely exists, people trying to pay for fuel, food and mortgages.

'The Long War', as it is being called, costing $275 million per day, $4,100 per household.
Almost 4,000 U.S. soldiers killed and more than 60,000 wounded.

The war CAN'T go on, we are running out of cannon fodder, our National Debt is rising by the second. No one is asking McPAIN how he will pay for his never-ending war, or where he will find bodies to fight it. We couldn't leave when it was 'bad', but now the 'surge' is supposedly 'working', things are 'better', now we are 'winning'?

Makes me sick.

Once commited war is very complicated. I don't EXPECT, I don't even WANT, our next President to explain exactly what they will do to end this war. That is why we elect a president, hopefully one with integrity, courage and good judgement, leadership abilities, a commander-in-chief. However, I do EXPECT once in office, and with the right advise, an exit strategy will be developed to begin safely bringing our soldiers home as soon as possible. Obama has outlined a method, so has Hillary. Obama is the ONLY candidate talking about the conditions of our veterans.

That exit strategy should also include whatever needs to be done to rebuild Iraq, without military occupation. We need to care properly for our returning soldiers, their conditions are deplorable.

Our military needs to be rebuilt too, thanks to GWB it is a mess, everything is a mess. God help our next President and this country.

NO, I DON'T WANT A HAWK FOR PRESIDENT BUT I DO WANT OUR COUNTRY PROTECTED.

We can't allow our dovish beliefs to cloud our judgement, we need a strong defense.

The media as a whole is NOT holding GWB/CHENEY responsible now any more than at the beginning of this war. Therefore the war, the Iraqi people, our soldiers and veterans, are invisable and easily forgotten.

Should be calling it 'The Long Invisable War'.

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» RE: The Long Invisable War Posted by: Knot_Rich
» Endless Phony "War on Terror" Posted by: OrwellMan
MR. CHOMSKY, ALL DUE RESPECT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 3, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Teachers/writers deal with what has already happened. The past.A candidate for office in his/her right mind does not have a crystal ball. They can't be specific about ending the war in Iraq. What will we face in Jan. 09? I'd love to hear someone say, "Everyone will be home by the 4th of July". Can't happen. There's still time for this administration to screw up. The MidEast is ever changing & in turmoil. They shouldn't speculate. Thanks,ANNA

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» VZ, all due respect Posted by: leafsong1
Nuclear War
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 3, 2008 7:47 AM   
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I'm most concerned about nuclear war. We have the Bush administration building more nuclear weapons, we've invaded and occupied Iraq, which has made the Middle East more unstable and we have made millions of enemies by our actions. Many of those enemies are zealots as are the neocons and Bush/Cheney. We also have the perceived "holy" war that Bush has instigated with Islam. It would just take a small "incident" to get the genie out of the bottle, never to be returned. How can we trust our government to make good decisions in the face of disaster, when we know that they lie about everything and their past decisions have been incompetent and disasterous. Don't forget that we unpeople have 10 more months of Bush rule and anything can happen.

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Have'nt we figures it out yet?
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 3, 2008 7:59 AM   
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We do not exist to butcher eachother in killing sprees designed to stimulate economies or wage peace. There can never be Peace in the presence of warmongering capitalists,because everything is 'fair game' in the name of 'Profits'. The worse part is we are using econimics to drive our children to become butchers for a corrupted way of thinking that make's us all expendable to those whose Heart's have become blackened by Greed and Hatred. They Hate because of the warped idea that they don't have enough of everything so they use greed to pull it to them. In the offing,the People,the Planet and all Living Things are sacrificed for a healthy bottom line.
Why are none of the candidate's talking about stopping this idiocy?? Because they are part of it. Whatever 'softness' a candidate pretsnds to have is window dressing to hide what they really are. Puppets of Capitalism. As
such they cannot be trusted to do anything
except what the Party Line states. Which is 'Control the People by whatever Force necessary' and 'seperate as many of them from their money so we can keep the reins of Power.'
A very large percentage of us abhore warfare of any kind,we seek to heal the sick,and wish the best of things for eachother. Why are we not a better nation? Becuse the same Greed filled,hate supported,controlers of the Nation's wealth also control ALL MEDIA.
We must excersize our Right to Dispose of Corrupted Governments and not vote for any of the folks currently 'spoon-fed' to us. Ask the People you know that are good people and get them to run,or draft them if they are willing.
There are much better People than what we've been offered right in your own neighborhoods,maybe even in your own house.
The point is,Nothing is going to change,until, we get new People,that care more about the cause of Peace than War, Healthcare over insurance companies, Taking care of the Planet more than garnering profits at the expence of clean air,pure water and good growing lands and we see no difference between a baby that comes from meager to no means and one that's born of high society.
Draft Jeffrey7 for rez '08
www.youtube.com/RevJeffrey7

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Chomsky is aiding the 9/11 cover-up
Posted by: realtruther on Mar 3, 2008 8:36 AM   
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He is utterly irrelevant today as a result. Visit wtcdemolition.com to find out more, or ae911truth.org, or any of the myriad sources that are not afraid of telling the whole truth, unlike the disgraced Mr. Chomsky...

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» RE: tin foil hat time! Posted by: Ghoulman
... here's why...
Posted by: Ghoulman on Mar 3, 2008 9:21 AM   
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... U.S. foreign policy hasn't changed at all since the 50s, and never will.

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Responsibilities for our actions.
Posted by: gypsyfarm on Mar 3, 2008 9:54 AM   
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I was against the war from the very beginning. I stood with my little signs out in the streets and attempted to make my feeling known, but the war fever was too strong. Once the war started I packed my little signs up and went home. Why? Because at that point a moral line as a nation had been crossed. Simply walking away is as morally corrupt as going to war in the first place.

My 74 year old father took the challenge and is now over in Iraq helping to rebuild the country. From his posting at http://www.globalconsultants.us/iraq_tour/ I have come to believe even more strongly that walking out is not the answer. Yes in the end it will be up to the Iraqis themselves but that cannot occur by simply making a wish. It will take time and effort.

While I believe we as a nation must put in this time and effort, I also hope we as a nation have learned a lesson and pray that maybe we can learn a lesson so this does not happen again.

Pat Newberry
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Responsibilities for our actions.
Posted by: gypsyfarm on Mar 3, 2008 9:59 AM   
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I was against the war from the very beginning. I stood with my little signs out in the streets and attempted to make my feeling known, but the war fever was too strong. Once the war started I packed my little signs up and went home. Why? Because at that point a moral line as a nation had been crossed. Simply walking away is as morally corrupt as going to war in the first place.

My 74 year old father took the challenge and is now over in Iraq helping to rebuild the country. From his posting at www.globalconsultants.us/iraq_tour/ I have come to believe even more strongly that walking out is not the answer. Yes in the end it will be up to the Iraqis themselves but that cannot occur by simply making a wish. It will take time and effort.

While I believe we as a nation must put in this time and effort, I also hope we as a nation have learned a lesson and pray that maybe we can learn a lesson so this does not happen again.

Pat Newberry
www.gypsyfarm.com

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» RE: esponsibilities for our actions. Posted by: Susan Kipping
» RE: esponsibilities for our actions. Posted by: left_libertarian
Why Isn't Iraq in the 2008 Election? Because Clinton loses on that issue, thats why
Posted by: rickiey on Mar 3, 2008 10:49 AM   
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Hillary Clinton, in her 1993 floor speech, claimed she knew that Hussein had to be removed, by force if necessary.

I can hear the responses now "Yeah, because Bush cherry-picked the intelligence she saw. It wasn't her fault".

That would be a legitimate excuse for most of Congress (although Obama needs no such excuse, by virtue of being right in the first place).

The simple fact of the matter is, Clinton herself claimed the opposite. She claimed she had this knowledge, from her experience in the white house (ya know, that experience she is now touting as a reason to vote for her).

She claimed she had been following it for more than a decade and KNEW, without any Bushco assurances or intel, that forcibly removing Hussein from power was the right thing to do.

For her to use Iraq in the current Presidential race, the tainted Hillary Clinton would have to deal with:

*Obama voting against, her voting for.
*Her touting her own experience as a reason to invade

That's a losing issue, amongst Democrats. In the general election, she loses to McCain because she changed positions afterward. She would be the next John Kerry by the time the Republican spin machine was done with her.

The Democrats don't need another tainted John Kerry. They need another Bill Clinton. Unfortunately for the tainted Hillary Clinton, the next Bill Clinton is named Obama.

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» Correction, please. Posted by: im4peace
» RE: Correction, please. Posted by: yellow
It's not mentioned because there is no solution
Posted by: Trazom on Mar 3, 2008 11:00 AM   
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for either side. Once you look past all the rhetoric, all the promises and pledges, you will see that it doesn't really matter because there can only be one outcome.

Endless occupation with almost total control over the oil supplies.

This is the reason why. In order to mantain world dominance and super-power status (near term goal), it is absolutely essential the US takes control of the oil. And the reason for this is not to control the price (though it may seem this way at first). It is to guarantee that the unlimited growth curve of 21st century capitalism continues just a little longer before the whole fabric of the global fractional reserve banking system begins to unravel, so that the elites may engage in an epic power grab for as much of the planet as possible. Then, once commodities can be bought up for pennies on the dollar, they will be the new rulers of the planet (long term goal), and enact one-world government, and so on. They know the jig is up - all of them. All they are doing now is buying themselves time to gain just a little more.

In addition, taking control of Iraq's oil fields guarantees further dollar hegemony, thus also forestalling the inevitable.

You may ask yourself why are we (our government) always at war when the vast majority of us un-people want peace? The above is the answer. War is profitable. War expands the empire. And there's also this:

Our economic system requires ever increasing amounts of debt to function. Once you realize this, you'll realize that a little $1-$2 trillion war is actually what this perverted, warped economic system needs in order to keep functioning. Quite the opposite of what we've been told. Ironic isn't it?

We have to wake up and alert the whole world that what is at stake is none other than our individual freedom.

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Not an Invasion, an escalation
Posted by: BCcovers on Mar 3, 2008 11:33 AM   
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1972 Munich Olympic Hostage Crisis
1983 Beirut Embassy bombed
1988 Pan Am Flight 103 bombed
1991 NATO Invades Kuwait and Iraq
1993 Air France Hijacking
1993 WTC bombed
1995 Bosnia bombed by US; European troops move in
1998 Kenyan and Tanzanian Embassies bombed
2000 USS Cole Bombed
2001 Pentagon and WTC Towers 1 and 2 attacked
MARCH 2003 US Invades Iraq
2004 Ritual Murder of Theo Van Gogh
2004 Madrid Train Station Bombing
2005 London Underground Bombed
2006 Mumbai Train Bombing

Let's face it, the Iraq invasion can be better understood when placed into a larger historical context. It's a clash of cultures; Eastern vs. Western civilizations. It will be framed as this hundreds of years from now by historians of the day. Liberal/Conservative; no matter what your view is of the current situation in Iraq it is merely a blip on the radar when looking at the big ideological picture. The invasion of Iraq is simply an escalation of a conflict that is nearly thrity years old; and ideologies at odds with one another since the dawn of the Ottoman Empire.

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» RE: Not an Invasion, an escalation Posted by: Susan Kipping
» NWO is a Zionist smokescreen Posted by: realtruther
Unlikely Noam Inaccuracy.
Posted by: fraterm on Mar 3, 2008 12:47 PM   
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Actually on one of Noams 4 UN proposition positions, specifically: there should be a turn to diplomacy and an end to threats Ron Paul was right up there saying so. With the probable addition of Dennis Kucinich.

I suppose though if the distinguished Mr. Chomsky was indicating candidates that were media-authorized and controlled, he would then be correct.

Best hope for peace now is the media-authorized Obama, who I hope will not continue to rattle the saber as the remainder would.

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Chomsky? BANNED in the Mainstream US Media, He Is ONE STEP from Guantanamo
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 3, 2008 3:49 PM   
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We have Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh spewing hate every day, the conservatives even have their own US Pravda Network, FOX News. We have Anne Coulter and her idiotic books. But, a real liberal speaks up and the mainstream shuns him. Why are not Noam's article ever published, at least as op-ed, in the NY Times or the Washington Post? Why is he not given his own TV show? Instead, they give TV shows to just mostly the sewers of hate. So, what is this all about anyway? It's pure and simple, Chomsky and his like have been shut out. Like Amy Goodwin, voices not allowed, nor tolerated in the mainstream media. The true sign that Chomsky states what people do not want to hear. That the leaders in power are afraid of. Speak truth to power in America, and, they will just ignore you, at least for now. Next step, however, with the USA Patriot Act, and we know what that means Noam, they are going to accuse you of supporting enemies of the USA. Guantanamo and the waterboarding for you! Be careful and watch your back, my friend!

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Equal Opportunity Under Bush
Posted by: desidid on Mar 3, 2008 4:52 PM   
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Specifically, they accept the principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal that sentenced Nazi war criminals to hanging for such crimes as supporting aggression and preemptive war. It was the main charge against von Ribbentrop, for example, whose position was -- in the Nazi regime was that of Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice.

Now I know why he has had 2 Black Secy. of State.

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Is there an end to all you anal retentive spell checkers?
Posted by: yale on Mar 3, 2008 6:37 PM   
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Yer missin thu dam point, ya really shood focus all that snooty elitist atatewd tords sumpin a little more pozitiv

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I expect better from a top linguist
Posted by: Ripcord on Mar 3, 2008 8:34 PM   
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a chimp, however, could have done better.

Chomsky seems to be trying to explain why politicians aren't talking about Iraq.

His thesis seems to be that it is because the U.S. is deeply imperialistic.

According to Chomsky the proper goals should be:
1. Iran should have nuclear energy, but not nuclear weapons;
2. there should be a weapons-free zone throughout the Israel-to-Iran region;
3. the US should accept the Non-Proliferation Treaty; and
4. there should be a turn to diplomacy and an end to threats.

I have no argument with these goals.

And true, it is because our mentality is so deeply imperialist and nationalistic (past, present and future) that we reach none of these goals.

However, we should spend more time analyzing how to achieve these goals, rather than harping on the base nature of our selfish motives.

Which brings me to a recent "Nova" PBS documentary on the difference between chimpanzees and humans.
1. Humans are much better mind-readers;
2. Humans respect the teaching process; and
3. Humans have better impulse control.

In one experiment, Chimp-A and Chimp-B are in adjacent cages.
Outside and out-of-reach of their cages is a long board with a dish at each end of the board.
There also is a long rope which slips through eyelets on the ends of the board.
If Chimp-A is given one end of the rope and pulls the rope alone, the whole rope merely slides though the eyelets and the board (and dish) is not pulled any closer to his cage.
On the other hand, if both Chimps pull their end of the rope at the same time and with the same pressure, the board (and any treats in the dishes) are pulled to within their reach.
They both are satisfied.

Image that the board is Iraq.
Instead of bananas, the treats are barrels of oil
(or nuclear arms, or moral values, or investment opportunities.)

If the treats are not perceived to be equal--say that there are no banana-treats at Chimp-B's end of the board, Chimp-B will not pull on his end of the rope. So Chimp-A pulls and comes up empty, holding only a loose rope.

Sure, both chimps are motivated by pure selfish greed.

Only when the treats are perceived to be equal do they both get part of the reward.

The chimps actually can figure this out.

Chomsky can't.

He spends most of his speech railing about the greed of Chimp-A (the US).

You'd think that one of the world's top linguists would use his words to describe a successful process.
I'd respect such a teacher.
Then, maybe, I could control my impulse to throw bricks at him.

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ANSWER to phony Chomsky:
Posted by: Reader11722 on Mar 4, 2008 12:01 PM   
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Because zioni$ts run the Mainstream Media. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....

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why? same reason a proven 9/11 cover-up is blacked Out...
Posted by: OrwellMan on Mar 4, 2008 1:57 PM   
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by ruling class stooges at Washington and an MSM carny show.

of course the vaunted Chomsky has said a 9/11 cover-up is irrelevant. how quaint. we should all question a completely false “war on terror” (somewhat) but not the fascist criminal oligopoly behind DC and its press monkey.

here are a few rather scathing outtakes on Chomsky and his influence on the culture…

“Chomsky’s role in propaganda paradigm is much like that of Karl Marx: to present a false liberation ideology which actually supports the desired solutions of the elite [ruling class].
Marx pointed out the inequalities and brutality of capitalism and then advocated a one world bank, army, and government with the abolition of private property and religion; in other words, the major goals known of the [so-called] New World Order.”

“Chomsky denial of government complicity in the crimes of September 11 is one thing, but he goes further, claiming the government had no prior knowledge of the attacks… Chomsky's position is untenable. For a man who prides himself on science and logic, his steadfast refusal to acknowledge mainstream media reports finds him using arguments similar to Holocaust deniers; one can show them photographs, videos, testimony, and physical evidence but the burden of proof is impossible.”

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RON PAUL 2008 - RALLY ON DC JUNE 21st
Posted by: Michael_D on Mar 7, 2008 1:39 PM   
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Our military is nothing less or more than a reflection of society with which it is made up. Sad.

Please wake up people! Obama is a cousin of Cheney and is a CFR mouthpiece just like the other and you people want to still deny how these criminals roll? Caught up in the crossfire of power/corruption like so many! He says only "change" allot thus proving his inexperience or will to tackle our REAL problems!!!! He is no different at ALL than the others.

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» Sorry, no republicans! Posted by: yale
Chomsky is a radical not a liberal.
Posted by: whealeydj on Mar 9, 2008 12:52 AM   
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I would greatly enjoy a regular op ed in New York Times or other newspapers but corporate main stream media is very unlikely to put him on. I saw a documentary several years ago that claimed he only had been on a corporate talk show once at that time. Chomsky is restricted mostly to appearances at universities. In the college town I live in they had to invite him to speak at a church the first time because the university administration would not agree to speech at the ususal location. My own take on why Iraq has become a less important issue is because the American economy is deep trouble possibly a recession. The main cause of deficit imho is huge expenses on overseas crusades and cuts on high income tax rates by Bush Administration. Moreover, more than half the Democrats still think like Kerry in 2004 that they have to talk and act tough overseas to get power here. McCain wants us to stay in Iraq 100 years but we have been there 17 years already (or possibly 25 if you want to go back to warships patrolling the Persian Gulf). Clinton is an interventionist but hopefully she can draw down our troops. Voting for Obama is an even better chance at ending the war, but he is no Dennis Kucinich and what will either do to revive the economy is the more important question. Obama and Clinton need to tie their proposed policy changes in Iraq to how it will improve the economy. Maybe one of them will have the guts to ask what happened to the peace dividend we were promised when Cold War ended and before Bush I decided we needed to start another war with no end in sight.

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Chomky is Smart but a liar
Posted by: titopue on Mar 9, 2008 7:16 PM   
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"... if the invaders, who are responsible for the internal violence and the other atrocities, if ..."
Chomksy is a liar and insults those of us who serve in a difficult environment.
I served in Tadji Iraq in 2005... The atrocities were not perpretrated by us... it was by iraqi's and foriegn fighters. The idiots of Abu grab were punished.
The majority of the kids that served under me are America's finest... I've seen countless jestures of kindess by my soldiers... and my men and I put our lives on the line out there protecting iraqis.

Shame on you Chomksy!

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