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George Bush Is Engaged in an Epic Battle to Cover His Ass
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Two issues caused the dispute: One, in a stunning display of rudimentary oversight, the House issued contempt citations for two former Bush staffers, Harriet Meiers and Josh Bolten, who've been ducking House subpoenas for months now. This was predictably dismissed by weepy Minority Whip John Boehner as a "partisan fishing expedition," a boilerplate cliche if ever there was one.
The second issue, which the indignant Republicans preferred to discuss, for obvious reasons, was the House Democrats' refusal to cave on retroactive immunity for telecom companies, like AT&T and Sprint, for collaborating with the White House in spying on domestic internet and phone communications, which, to be clear, was tremendously illegal.
What's less encouraging, but interesting, is that the Democrats were ready to sign off on extending the repugnantly named Protect America Act, except for telecom immunity. To Bush, this made the bill dead on arrival. That's right; Bush promised to veto the bill if it reached his desk without a get out of jail free card for Comcast.
It's hard to line that up with the apocalyptic tenor of Bush's exhortations regarding the bill. If the warrantless domestic spying provisions of the Act were not renewed, Bush warned, Osama bin Laden would rain fire upon us all. But he was planning to veto them if they came to him without immunity. Naturally, this makes no fucking sense. Either Bush is willing to risk another 9/11 to embarrass the Democrats, or he's lying when it comes to the threat posed by having to get a FISA warrant -- retroactively, after the fact -- for domestic surveillance. I think he's lying, but I suppose it could be both.
It's interesting that these issues are what it takes to really outrage Republicans -- threaten huge corporate giants with lawsuits, or exercise congress's constitutional oversight powers. Of course, it's only natural that the Republicans would shudder at the prospect of effective investigations being conducted in the House. If the Democrats actually start following through on the legal options to compel testimony, it's only a matter of time before everyone's implicated. But telecom immunity?
Republicans are, of course, fundamentally pro-corporate, even more so than modern Democrats. But to go to bat this hard on behalf of an industry seems anomalous even for them. All a congressman usually has to do for his biennial bribe is vote in a corporation's interests, not engage in tantrum theatrics. There's more than pedestrian corruption at work here.
Of course, there is the terror issue, and in a most perilous election year, Republicans would like nothing more than to be able to run on the "Dems are sissies" platform. If they can keep people frightened and badly misinformed, they may manage to make telecom amnesty into a winning issue for them come November.
But to do that, they have to lie. A lot. They have to feign outrage, and actual concern for the wellbeing of their fellow Americans. They're doing their level best. To hear Republicans tell it, requiring a rubber-stamp warrant, after the fact, to spy on Americans is like mailing plutonium to Iran. Bush's spiel was grade A horseshit from start to finish:
"Because Congress failed to act, it will be harder for our government to keep you safe from terrorist attack. At midnight, the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence will be stripped of their power to authorize new surveillance against terrorist threats abroad. This means that as terrorists change their tactics to avoid our surveillance, we may not have the tools we need to continue tracking them--and we may lose a vital lead that could prevent an attack on America…. Instead, the House held partisan votes that do nothing to keep our country safer. House leaders chose politics over protecting the country--and our country is at greater risk as a result."Then sign the bill without the telecom amnesty provision, and work on that part later. If it's nearly as vital as Bush says, he's providing aid and comfort to the enemy by not compromising, right?
"If the Protect America Act is allowed to expire, Americans will be at risk," echoed Boehner, despite having just voted against a three-week extension on the bill, like all his fellow Republicans in the House.
What the hell is going on here? When you compare the truths of this dispute with the rhetoric from the White House and its mouthpieces, there's really no other conclusion than that this country has gone fucking bonkers. Reality and public perception don't even share a zip code anymore. After years of constant, obvious lies, their ridiculousness compounded by countless revelations of their falsehood, Bush is still sticking with the same despicable, transparently manipulative bogeyman bullshit he started with. And like-minded jackasses in the media, like Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday, still have the inconceivable gall to say things like, "I think it's kind of unbelievable, frankly, that -- it's a judgment call, we don't know -- not to give the administration the benefit of the doubt."
The benefit of the doubt? A judgment call? Sorry Bill, but fuck you. Your judgment's been shit; your President's judgment's been shit, and both of you are documented liars. So forgive the hell out of the rest of us if there's no doubt to benefit from when it comes to whether the president is a fucking fraud. The entire administration is a fraud. Every department is a fraud, staffed by fraudulent people, hostile to its stated mission and intent on its nullification, by death or paralysis. There may never be proof, especially if Bush gets his way. But what thinking person can muster much doubt that the administration is listening not just for terrorist chatter, but to anyone they want -- political enemies, reporters, chicks they're into --whoever?
In 2006, after Andrea Mitchell asked New York Times reporter James Risen, who broke the domestic spying story, out of the blue, "You don't have any information, for instance, that a very prominent journalist, Christiane Amanpour, might have been eavesdropped upon?" Risen did not, but NBC scrubbed the question from its transcripts of the interview, later explaining that the story had been "released prematurely," that they had not "completed" their reporting. But they didn't call the allegation irresponsible, or speculative, or any other dismissive adjective they could have used. They essentially confirmed that they had reason to believe that Bush was secretly wiretapping a prominent CNN reporter.
And why the hell wouldn't he, after all? Without a reviewable record of warrants, it's not as if anyone can possibly find out -- unless somebody sues the telecoms, and specific, decidedly non-terrorist surveillance targets are identified in the ensuing discovery process. And that is why the Republicans are going apeshit over retroactive immunity, not just to protect the telecoms, but to cover their own asses. If it ever comes out that their secret, illegal domestic wiretaps were not targeting al Qaeda, but Al Gore, the jig is finally up. The entire "trust us, we're hunting terrorists" rationale, as thin as it always was, will lose any residual integrity, and the GOP may never recover. And they know it. And maybe, hopefully, the Democrats finally know it too.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 1, 2008 12:10 AM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 1, 2008 12:27 AM
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These questions must be answered. Even the yelllow belly Dems need to know exactly what information Bush has on 'em.
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Posted by: Lauren on Mar 1, 2008 4:35 AM
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I did, but I called it genocide.
I did that too, called it genocide. This week I spoke on and off the record Monday and Tuesday down at the county offices. I told my public officials marijuana prohibition is genocide to my people based on religious discrimination. I gave them personal examples of business and police abuses I have suffered over the issue BECAUSE of my race and religion. The hearing gets broadcasted locally on TV.
ATT and COMCAST have a business relationship with me. I knew COMCAST was cooperating with the terrorism Bush was laying on the people. This is one reason I call them so much to complain about it.
Naturally I called my phone company, ATT, to complain when someone attempted to assist my suicide by screwing around with my phone service. Both of these companies have a collection of recorded phone messages to them from me complaining about instances of the government spying on me. I also post about them here so the dates are in the public record. Those messages can be, or perhaps already have been, subpoenaed.
So their crime isn't just eves dropping with me, but someone is actively interfering in my free speech to the point of torture and genocide. My statements about it are recorded, destroying them would be another crime.
I feel like Anne Frank. You know how you are being treated is wrong, but what can you do?
Hide and hope they don't catch you.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Mar 1, 2008 4:36 AM
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Why is this a big deal?
My understanding is that the Supreme Court dismissed the ACLU suit because of standing. The program is secret, therefore the attorneys were unable to produce specific individuals who had been spied upon. Without that information, the ACLU has no standing to sue; without disclosure, they can't get the information. Catch 22.
This will be remembered as the administration that made Catch 22 the supreme law of the land.
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Posted by: greentime on Mar 1, 2008 7:04 AM
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But there is hope. Maybe we'll be citizens afterall and not just consumers. Citizens of a planet that is desperate for our care and concern. A planet that needs us to be responsible for what we do, how much we consume, and begs us to restore and sustain.
Maybe we will finally learn that stressing each other and this beautiful planet to the brink is not the high mark of a species. Maybe we will relaize in time it is the low mark of a failing species.
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Posted by: crazy carlos on Mar 1, 2008 8:45 AM
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On the back cover of NATION Magazine (3-10-08) is an ad being co-sponsered by the California Nurses Assn. and thre National Nurses Organizing committee to give ALL Americans the same health insurance plan enjoyed by our Congress and idiot in waiting, Dick Cheney for whom the bill is named.
In short, bypassing the money monster Insurance Industry and seriously damaging the Drug Industry. Why you will never see this ad.
This is the first time to my knowledge that someone has given to the "We the People" the means to have some influence in getting a bill that will actually benefit the all us lowlifes.
Where to start: Google CHENEYCARE.ORG, SIGN UP AND FOR ONCE ACTUALLY GET OFF YOUR DEAD ASSES AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP YOURSELVES!!
It won't happen if YOU do not participate. Obviously check it out then forward it to everyone you know. We have a chance to do something if we all act. Pass this along to other Blogs. Don't be afraid to send a C.C. to your Congressman and Senators. Crazy Carlos
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Posted by: freshlemon on Mar 1, 2008 9:08 AM
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These people are criminals and need to be brought to justice in our country and in an international court. Have we and our elected officials lost our backbone, or have our elected officials found that it is more profitable for them to help Bush cover his ass?
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 1, 2008 9:48 AM
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What is the administration hiding when what we know about is already so bad!?!?
I posted this comment below to an article about AG Mukasee not wanting to prosecute the Bush aides who were in contempt of Congress. This comment fits here too in regards to the story on secret spying:
Bush and friends are the mob that controls the police, the prosecutors, everyone on up. No one in the administration will EVER be held accountable for their infinite crimes because those that would prosecute them are corrupt too. The law is its own opposite.
And the Democrats certainly won't lift a finger to do anything, if they even could. And even the media is on the take.
The entire system is corroded with cancerous rot. And this cancer is inoperable.
Hey, what the country needs now isn't simple "change". No, what the country needs now is a 100% 180-DEGREE COMPLETE AND UTTER FULL-FORCE REVERSAL of where it is heading now -- in so many ways.
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Posted by: xbj on Mar 1, 2008 10:29 AM
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Hopefully once they do so, they'll never step forth north of the Rio Grande ever again.
There was a saying in the old west, and it applies to every last person in the Bush Administration:
Hanging's too good for them. But no vigilante justice required here; just a good old fashioned trial for treason for knowing about 9-11 in advance and doing everything they could to ignore the warnings and insure its success. In a trial the entire truth would come out anyway once the military is granted complete immunity for following orders.
The planners and schemers need to be tried and hung, not the rank and file and even not the brass involved. The brass need immunity to testify againt the perps, so the people can nail and hang the perps. And they need to come forward, now, finally, and start telling the press the truth. And the American People. And finally, a treason tribunal.
The first American President in US history to misuse his Commander-in-Chief powers to, at best, allow an attack that destroyed his own people on 9-11, and at worst, planned and carried out an attack that destroyed his own people (as Mineta's testimony that Cheney ordered fighter jets TO DO NOTHING as the plane approached the Pentagon suggests) needs to be held accountable.
As does every last person ever in his Administration.
Then and only then can we get around to illegal wars and war profiteering, and then sentence their remains for those crimes against humanity.
Do I want them all dead? Of course not, the waste and misuse of their lives and power is highly regrettable.
I want justice, for their victims.
And it is the only way to effectively restore the Republic, most unfortunately.
If we will not do this, we will reap full and overt, (and not just clandestine, as we have now) totalitarian dictatorship.
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Posted by: left_libertarian on Mar 1, 2008 1:33 PM
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Too bad the Democratic Party does not have the courage to pursue it.
So the Criminals Bush and Cheney will go free and will get a nice government pension along with a security detail.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Mar 1, 2008 2:24 PM
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The fact is, no society can function normally (be democratic) under ANY ideology - in the same way that no child can develop normally under the iron rule of a tyrannical parent. It makes no difference whether that tyranny is covert of overt; the child/society simply cannot develop his/her human potential.
The problem with covert tyranny (not that Bush's America is any longer covert) is that the captives or slaves are gradually conditioned to accepting their situation, eventually becoming psychologically identified with their "Master". Its what's known as Stockholm Syndrome and its a very weird-but-true phenomenom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Americans (and their pro-Bu$hco fans around the world - Britain and Ireland included - really do need to wake up NOW!!!
But, I think, somehow, its too late....
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Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President
The Shock Doctrine
The End of America: Letter to a Young Patriot
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
Then weep, vote them out, and become an activist for Our Constitution.
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 1, 2008 3:23 PM
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Why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to hold a company liable for agreeing to work with the government on security issues. Congress should be held liable - they all are the government.
The senate seemed to see the light. Pelosi is playing politics - and not very smart. Now she wakes up and it's on this issue??
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Posted by: Cathyc on Mar 1, 2008 5:59 PM
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OMG! OMG! OMG! No, this is not really happening to us!!! Yes, it is, America! It is! Your Mommy and Daddy (your Nice "government") have indeed been "screwing" you ever since you were born and you had better wake up that fact, cuz if you don't, they'll just keep on doing it! Either you've had enough of their idea of fun - or you're going to start having some fun (living your own life) instead?
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Mar 1, 2008 6:23 PM
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It is time to take the gloves off and fight.
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Posted by: sre on Mar 1, 2008 6:49 PM
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GWB
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Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 2, 2008 9:49 AM
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http://www.ncs.gov/nstac/june2001/nstac_meetings.html
We have to assume that likely spying targets range from UN Ambassadors over to the Democratic National Committee and Democratic Senators and Congressmen. They were going to do whatever it took to keep Congress and the Repubs. in power. You would think they would have stopped Bin laden and 911 with all the illegal spying, but, they were too focused on political targets and foreign ambassadors prior to 911. This stuff, about the illegal spying even way before 911 ever comes out in court and it's curtains for Bush and company. You bet they will do whatever it takes to stop it.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Mar 2, 2008 12:19 PM
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Name one.
Bzzzzz! (that's the buzzer).
The answer is: Bush will get away with this too.
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Posted by: ericthefool on Mar 2, 2008 9:24 PM
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What the hell will be in his library besides a bunch of blacked out documents???
Lying piece of doo.
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Posted by: jeffr on Mar 5, 2008 11:30 AM
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Figure out whose hand is scratching whose back, or in whose pocket. Then figure out which telcom bigwig has some dirt on the administration.
Then you know who is going to roll over on the current administration.
I guarantee that personal interest is the sole motivating factor in Bush's defense of the telcoms. Somebody has dirt on him, or evidence of wrongdoing to hang him with, so hes protecting his posse as always.
Bush called in a favor from a supporter somewhere, who is now insisting that favor be repaid, by way of protection for breaking the law on the president's order.
No anomaly at all, just business as usual for GW and crew.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 1, 2008 12:27 AM
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These questions must be answered. Even the yelllow belly Dems need to know exactly what information Bush has on 'em.
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Posted by: Lauren on Mar 1, 2008 4:35 AM
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I did, but I called it genocide.
I did that too, called it genocide. This week I spoke on and off the record Monday and Tuesday down at the county offices. I told my public officials marijuana prohibition is genocide to my people based on religious discrimination. I gave them personal examples of business and police abuses I have suffered over the issue BECAUSE of my race and religion. The hearing gets broadcasted locally on TV.
ATT and COMCAST have a business relationship with me. I knew COMCAST was cooperating with the terrorism Bush was laying on the people. This is one reason I call them so much to complain about it.
Naturally I called my phone company, ATT, to complain when someone attempted to assist my suicide by screwing around with my phone service. Both of these companies have a collection of recorded phone messages to them from me complaining about instances of the government spying on me. I also post about them here so the dates are in the public record. Those messages can be, or perhaps already have been, subpoenaed.
So their crime isn't just eves dropping with me, but someone is actively interfering in my free speech to the point of torture and genocide. My statements about it are recorded, destroying them would be another crime.
I feel like Anne Frank. You know how you are being treated is wrong, but what can you do?
Hide and hope they don't catch you.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Mar 1, 2008 4:36 AM
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Why is this a big deal?
My understanding is that the Supreme Court dismissed the ACLU suit because of standing. The program is secret, therefore the attorneys were unable to produce specific individuals who had been spied upon. Without that information, the ACLU has no standing to sue; without disclosure, they can't get the information. Catch 22.
This will be remembered as the administration that made Catch 22 the supreme law of the land.
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Posted by: greentime on Mar 1, 2008 7:04 AM
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But there is hope. Maybe we'll be citizens afterall and not just consumers. Citizens of a planet that is desperate for our care and concern. A planet that needs us to be responsible for what we do, how much we consume, and begs us to restore and sustain.
Maybe we will finally learn that stressing each other and this beautiful planet to the brink is not the high mark of a species. Maybe we will relaize in time it is the low mark of a failing species.
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Posted by: crazy carlos on Mar 1, 2008 8:45 AM
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On the back cover of NATION Magazine (3-10-08) is an ad being co-sponsered by the California Nurses Assn. and thre National Nurses Organizing committee to give ALL Americans the same health insurance plan enjoyed by our Congress and idiot in waiting, Dick Cheney for whom the bill is named.
In short, bypassing the money monster Insurance Industry and seriously damaging the Drug Industry. Why you will never see this ad.
This is the first time to my knowledge that someone has given to the "We the People" the means to have some influence in getting a bill that will actually benefit the all us lowlifes.
Where to start: Google CHENEYCARE.ORG, SIGN UP AND FOR ONCE ACTUALLY GET OFF YOUR DEAD ASSES AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP YOURSELVES!!
It won't happen if YOU do not participate. Obviously check it out then forward it to everyone you know. We have a chance to do something if we all act. Pass this along to other Blogs. Don't be afraid to send a C.C. to your Congressman and Senators. Crazy Carlos
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Posted by: freshlemon on Mar 1, 2008 9:08 AM
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These people are criminals and need to be brought to justice in our country and in an international court. Have we and our elected officials lost our backbone, or have our elected officials found that it is more profitable for them to help Bush cover his ass?
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 1, 2008 9:48 AM
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What is the administration hiding when what we know about is already so bad!?!?
I posted this comment below to an article about AG Mukasee not wanting to prosecute the Bush aides who were in contempt of Congress. This comment fits here too in regards to the story on secret spying:
Bush and friends are the mob that controls the police, the prosecutors, everyone on up. No one in the administration will EVER be held accountable for their infinite crimes because those that would prosecute them are corrupt too. The law is its own opposite.
And the Democrats certainly won't lift a finger to do anything, if they even could. And even the media is on the take.
The entire system is corroded with cancerous rot. And this cancer is inoperable.
Hey, what the country needs now isn't simple "change". No, what the country needs now is a 100% 180-DEGREE COMPLETE AND UTTER FULL-FORCE REVERSAL of where it is heading now -- in so many ways.
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Posted by: xbj on Mar 1, 2008 10:29 AM
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Hopefully once they do so, they'll never step forth north of the Rio Grande ever again.
There was a saying in the old west, and it applies to every last person in the Bush Administration:
Hanging's too good for them. But no vigilante justice required here; just a good old fashioned trial for treason for knowing about 9-11 in advance and doing everything they could to ignore the warnings and insure its success. In a trial the entire truth would come out anyway once the military is granted complete immunity for following orders.
The planners and schemers need to be tried and hung, not the rank and file and even not the brass involved. The brass need immunity to testify againt the perps, so the people can nail and hang the perps. And they need to come forward, now, finally, and start telling the press the truth. And the American People. And finally, a treason tribunal.
The first American President in US history to misuse his Commander-in-Chief powers to, at best, allow an attack that destroyed his own people on 9-11, and at worst, planned and carried out an attack that destroyed his own people (as Mineta's testimony that Cheney ordered fighter jets TO DO NOTHING as the plane approached the Pentagon suggests) needs to be held accountable.
As does every last person ever in his Administration.
Then and only then can we get around to illegal wars and war profiteering, and then sentence their remains for those crimes against humanity.
Do I want them all dead? Of course not, the waste and misuse of their lives and power is highly regrettable.
I want justice, for their victims.
And it is the only way to effectively restore the Republic, most unfortunately.
If we will not do this, we will reap full and overt, (and not just clandestine, as we have now) totalitarian dictatorship.
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Posted by: left_libertarian on Mar 1, 2008 1:33 PM
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Too bad the Democratic Party does not have the courage to pursue it.
So the Criminals Bush and Cheney will go free and will get a nice government pension along with a security detail.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Mar 1, 2008 2:24 PM
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The fact is, no society can function normally (be democratic) under ANY ideology - in the same way that no child can develop normally under the iron rule of a tyrannical parent. It makes no difference whether that tyranny is covert of overt; the child/society simply cannot develop his/her human potential.
The problem with covert tyranny (not that Bush's America is any longer covert) is that the captives or slaves are gradually conditioned to accepting their situation, eventually becoming psychologically identified with their "Master". Its what's known as Stockholm Syndrome and its a very weird-but-true phenomenom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Americans (and their pro-Bu$hco fans around the world - Britain and Ireland included - really do need to wake up NOW!!!
But, I think, somehow, its too late....
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Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President
The Shock Doctrine
The End of America: Letter to a Young Patriot
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
Then weep, vote them out, and become an activist for Our Constitution.
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 1, 2008 3:23 PM
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Why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to hold a company liable for agreeing to work with the government on security issues. Congress should be held liable - they all are the government.
The senate seemed to see the light. Pelosi is playing politics - and not very smart. Now she wakes up and it's on this issue??
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Posted by: Cathyc on Mar 1, 2008 5:59 PM
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OMG! OMG! OMG! No, this is not really happening to us!!! Yes, it is, America! It is! Your Mommy and Daddy (your Nice "government") have indeed been "screwing" you ever since you were born and you had better wake up that fact, cuz if you don't, they'll just keep on doing it! Either you've had enough of their idea of fun - or you're going to start having some fun (living your own life) instead?
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Mar 1, 2008 6:23 PM
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It is time to take the gloves off and fight.
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GWB
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http://www.ncs.gov/nstac/june2001/nstac_meetings.html
We have to assume that likely spying targets range from UN Ambassadors over to the Democratic National Committee and Democratic Senators and Congressmen. They were going to do whatever it took to keep Congress and the Repubs. in power. You would think they would have stopped Bin laden and 911 with all the illegal spying, but, they were too focused on political targets and foreign ambassadors prior to 911. This stuff, about the illegal spying even way before 911 ever comes out in court and it's curtains for Bush and company. You bet they will do whatever it takes to stop it.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Mar 2, 2008 12:19 PM
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Name one.
Bzzzzz! (that's the buzzer).
The answer is: Bush will get away with this too.
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Posted by: ericthefool on Mar 2, 2008 9:24 PM
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What the hell will be in his library besides a bunch of blacked out documents???
Lying piece of doo.
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Posted by: Resistance on Mar 5, 2008 12:36 AM
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Posted by: jeffr on Mar 5, 2008 11:30 AM
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Figure out whose hand is scratching whose back, or in whose pocket. Then figure out which telcom bigwig has some dirt on the administration.
Then you know who is going to roll over on the current administration.
I guarantee that personal interest is the sole motivating factor in Bush's defense of the telcoms. Somebody has dirt on him, or evidence of wrongdoing to hang him with, so hes protecting his posse as always.
Bush called in a favor from a supporter somewhere, who is now insisting that favor be repaid, by way of protection for breaking the law on the president's order.
No anomaly at all, just business as usual for GW and crew.
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