Not that I feel that concept to be wrong. Just that playing semantics with something that is sex for money seems pretty pointless.

It also sounds like there are way too many older men with too much money on their hands. I wonder how much gets put under 'expenses' in the accounting.

Also very curious how many of these 'men' masquerade as Christian Conservatives in real life.

And the tidbit involving a 19 year old is a bit scary to me.

obi

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... yawn, nice graphic.

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Like the punchline to the old joke, "We've already established what you are, now we're simply arguing over price."

But is there any real difference between this and the housewife who simply sticks around for the house and car and credit cards, doing her "duty" as needed?

Why does a piece of paper make one situation morally correct and the other morally wrong?

I, for one, think prostitution should be legal anyway. Get it out in the open, out of the hands of pimps and organized crime, let its pratictioner's get heath care and benefits, form union's, pay taxes, and charge what the market will bear.

Much like my pro-choice position on abortion, who am I, or you, for that matter, to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their own bodies?

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Does the "historian" or author of this piece understand the "calculations"?

I doubt that very much.

To a multi-millionaire or billionaire such money is a trivial psychological commodity in relation to a host of others. Especially since most men at the higher end of the elite ruling class know the fiat scam attached to phony private bank (Federal Reserve Corp, etc) money creation in the west.

The core truth is sex for pay means trading human self-respect as the most anyone has to give for petty cash that means little indeed to the ultra-privileged.

That’s a fine bargain for the cozy elite and quite a bad one for female and male prostitutes unless they actually enjoy the lifestyle or far more likely delude themselves into believing they do.

In a sense, the “calculations” here are symbolic of the bargain that has sold the entire country down the river as Washington and the MSM are little more than brothels for a criminal corporate ruling class.

In other words, when the entire system is a broken sham, everything is for sale. Everything.


“The ability to deal with people is as purchasable a commodity as sugar or coffee and I will pay more for that ability than for any other under the sun.”
John D Rockefeller (Fascist monopoly robber baron and promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act in alliance with the British chapter of the Rothschild bloc)

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I am afraid there is a serious demographic cause for this beyond all other factors: as the population heavily skews older (and the old have the money), then the Pussydax market value of young, healthy, pretty women goes up massively. And this will be reflected in a cash value.

Another factor is the disaster that is baby boomer family life. Many baby boomers are getting divorced or are already divorced. As the wife walks out the door, the guy will go elsewhere. And for older guys with the higher earning of a long career, it is cheaper to go to the Pussydax than to support a wife. A pure market decision.

And more and more young women will be drawn towards this option as tuition fees rise (think of the beardy professor making money off his students prostrate on their backs banging oldies), and all other costs go up.

Next time you are sitting on the board of some organisation and think it is okay to up the fees, or don't think young people deserve a break, remember you are serving up another pretty young woman as an initial public offering on the Pussydax.

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An attractive person can make big bucks exchanging sex for money?...More than someone with a masters degree? Stop the presses. We have a major breakthrough here.

I'm all for sociological experiments, but this one went nowhere and told us nothing. It's as if the author wanted an excuse to act snotty and superior, and tell us how attractive she is to dirty old men.

It could have been interesting and more objective, getting into the heads of the sugar babes and the sugar daddies, seeing what their lives are like, what they have to say, etc. Instead, we get this judgemental crap. Based on this article, Mother Jones is paying her way too much.

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or the way that physically attractive men get lots of sex.

If so, that would explain why any threat to corporate greed is so vehemently opposed by corporate lawyers and corporate media. If so, the lying, cheating, stealing and killing are all means for a few men to get laid as often as they want. To toy with participating in all this without any significant insight makes for a rather depressing article.

Actually, it's my view that corporate greed is based primarily on inherited fears (of retaliation and heads on pikes) and the sexual perks serve to reinforce the behavior.

In a world which abolished corporations and established basic security for all six billion of us, prostitution would be an anomaly.

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It's good to see young women like Nicole finally beginning to understand their true place in our society. I would have to see a picture of her in a bathing suit first to be really certain of it, and haven't been able to google one up so far...but anyone who has ever observed dating behavior can see that these are exactly the same choices that we have internalized for ourselves, we don't need parents bargaining our matches for us any more. Everything and everybody is for sale, willing sellers to willing buyers, and nobody at root believes any differently. Can't wait until my perfect, magnificent, extraordinary, blonde ten year old daughter grows up and puts herself on the auction block.

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Ah, that explains it.

How very "the entire world is like me" for a woman with an elitist degree like "masters in humanities" to generalize that (and I quote) "offering them far more money than they could get in most professions".

Here's a tip: The girls that went and got their masters in engineering?

I just had one read the article, she said and I quote "yeah, I think I'd pass on the pay cut, even though I can see the temptation, lets face it, it would be a lot less work".

Perhaps if the author had bona fide technical job skills, she would see it differently.

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Myself and a couple of friends were coming out of a bar when a prostitute asked if I wanted a date. I politely said "no thanks". She asked if I was gay. I said "No, I just don't believe in paying for something I can get for free". She smiled and said "Honey, it's never free".

As far as this article goes I guess if a woman wants to get paid for sex that is her buisness. I just wonder what the real cost is in terms of self respect? Sure she can make a lot more money on her back than a teacher can but when she looks in the mirror of her Jaguar is the person looking back as happy as the teacher looking in the mirror of her Chevy?

The moral of the story? Money can't buy you happiness. But you sure can sell your happiness.

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There's such a big deal made about women selling their bodies "for sex." People "sell their bodies" for all kinds of things. Athletes, of course, are on that list, as are models and actors. How culturally accepted it is depends upon what the body ultimately is used for.

Americans seem to at least tolerate - and even sometimes aspire to - the display of the body, no matter how sexual the nature of that display might be. "Make me a supermodel" (or a similar title - I've neve watched it) is a TV show. The enhanced breasts and other sexual features of women's bodies are predominant in mainstream television shows. The swimsuit issues of magazines make them big, big sellers. All of this is a form of sex for money, and sometimes immense amounts of money. But somehow we are supposed to stop short of taking money for the consumation of the desires elicited by the promotion.

There are few things more violent or potientially dangerous to the human body than boxing, but it's not only legal, it's glorified in many parts of society. Boxing stars like Mohammed Ali become heroes to legions of young men who, like young women who turn to sex for financial security, may see it as a way out of poverty.

When I once championed the notion of legal prostitution in a blog, someone asked if I'd want my daughter to be a prostitute. My answer was that if it were legal and controlled, I'd much, much rather have my daughter be a prostitute than have my son be a boxer.

The onus on sex for money seems to be based on two unfortunate factors: religion and male dominance. If women can legally make money just for having sex, why would so many get married and also have to clean, cook, wait on a man, and often also hold down a job outside the home?

The religious naysayers probably have a point - making prostitution legal just might have a detrimental effect on traditional marriage. Of course, that might not be such a bad thing if it also meant that when people do get married, greater equality and mutual respect resulted. I'm not saying that would happen, but anything that levels the playing field can't be all bad. Keeping prostitution illegal is just one more way to keep women in their place.

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The motivation to this woman just seems so plausible. It is almost like medieval patronage to an artist or composer. A paid hand-woman.


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This is hilarious, women will do anything in their power to try and make a trainwreck look like a field of daisies, so long as it makes them look like they are right about something.

If someone seriously doesn't see that this is women being straight up whores, no matter what pretense the website sets the dates up as or the reasoning for taking these dates offered by the men, then you're delusional.

Women must think that all guys have IQ's under 75 or something and we can't see the forest for the trees.

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There have always been sugar daddies and there have always been women in need of money. Feminism has made some inroads, but most women do not earn the same wages as men in similar jobs. Women are usually the ones who have to raise the children, when hubby decides to find himself or swap her in for a new model. And so it goes. These young women are going at this from another angle, which is to put themselves in the position of power by choosing from a selection of willing, wealthy candidates while they're still young enough to attract wealthy men. It's much like a reversal of the man's game. I think that the majority of men and women still go at it the old fashioned way, which is to find a mate and to make a life with love as the binding factor.

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I am seeing some really harsh judgement here. People that hate sex, people that hate older men, people that hate, hate, hate. Relax dammit! Why can't it be that some people do not ever get to meet someone to love because they have to work their asses off? Why can't it be that some younger women happen to like older men. Why is it OK for older women to have younger men? When I was younger, we younger good-looking guys were broke and often had some serious competition from the older guys that had money. It is a lonely world, and the question is, how do we find someone we are attracted to without spending money one way or the other? Church?

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The author is confused about what feminism is. I recommend she actually crack a book or two on the subject, starting with Shulamith Firestone.

When did money come to equal empowerment? The ability to make your own money equals empowerment, but it still matters what you do to make it. A starting lawyer at a big firm makes $165,000 a year, but that's not the end of the story. Persist in that occupation, and you could enter politics, or become a judge, or win big cases that change the face of the law. That's empowerment. Work as a prostitute, and you'll always be a prostitute, even after you stop doing it.

How empowering is it to put yourself at the mercy of a john, who can decide to cut you, rape you, or even kill you? How empowering will it be for you to put out and then have the john refuse to pay? How empowering will it be if word of your former "profession" gets out when you're trying to pass the character test for getting a law license, or enter medical school, or run for office?

The idea that women constitute the "sex class" is inherent to their oppression, and the author does nothing to challenge that assumption. By peddling her tight young ass, she plays into a system that values women differently than men, based on their looks and sexual availability.

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if the sex was really good with older guy, would you admit it?

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I'm hardly a zoologist, but this all reminds me of the documentaries where you see the gorillas or the lions all hanging out, with the lead male surrounded by many females. We have come up through eons of evolution as human creatures, and yet it appears we've not completely outrun this basic paradigm.

I'm a male, single, in my forties, very youthful in appearance, but because I'm a lazy so-and-so, I will not have female company for years to come. It's my choice, and while I miss the sex, I have a few nice female friends I can talk to and feel 'normal'. It's not for me, but if I want to get married, I'd have to deliver a lot of bacon to the table to keep my place as a 'worthy partner'. This will always be the game... so many females will often consider their value in terms of the 'quality' of man they attract. Even if they find a man that attracts them, the feeling seems to be that he must out-earn them or otherwise occupy an ascendant position in the relationship, financially. I see it everywhere I look.

The difference would be in 'poorer' places, such as central or east Europe. Here I see women that either have given up on this kind of assortative mating or don't have the distractions that our culture endlessly offers its members.

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The Reason the World is So Over-Sexed These Days . . . is because sexual energy is creative energy.

Mass media and psychotropic drugs have so flatlined creativity, the human psyche screams out to release that energy . . .

And the only venue modern society provides is illicit sexual activity.

If we could open up our education, and create a society where people were more than widgets in a machine, and their creativity could bloom into what it was meant to become and create . . .

These issues with illicit sex would go away

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Diseases.

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I was raised in the Father Knows Best, Ozzie and Harriet age. Women were thought, or represented to dislike sex for sex sake. A Masters degree for a woman? ha, sure IF you wanted to be a Man. Women were "supposed" to have sex with their husbands, not particularly like it. Good lord back then the most erotic thing a man could say during intercourse was "fuck". Well, I think we would agree that that was a sad and silly view point. Had that attitude led to happy homes with loving couples, maybe it had some merit. For me it merely led to total misunderstanding of the Female. I love my wife. But--one of the strongest factors in my asking her to marry me was that she so loved me that she "gave up" her body to me. As an act of love, she "surrendered". It just didn't occur to me that she might actually Want to have sex. Then came the feminist movement. A huge boon to the male. Now men could get laid with ease, no having to convince the woman that it was Love. Women have progressed socially, economically, and sexually. Sadly, men are still just men. Married Men go to prostitutes or surrogates because they don't want to think that the mother of their children would do or say those nasty things. When a man is thinking with his lower head rather than his upper one, he is relentless in pursuit of HIS happiness. The woman, no matter how refined or how educated is only a way to orgasm. There are those men that enjoy escorting beautiful YOUNG women to show the people around them just how sexy and successful they are. Again, the woman is just a prop. A tool.
So, where does this bring us? It brings us to whether or not the prop, the female, (not to be confused with the "woman") should exploit this male. (not to be confused with "man").
Men are men. They can't seem to evolve. So is taking advantage of these males enormous wealth immoral? That I think is totally up to how the woman (not to be confused with "female") feels about it. It is a difficult choice I know. In my mind there is no right or wrong answer. It is a matter of compartmentalizing. I am 73. I look 73. Could I entice a 19 year old beauty to go to bed with me? Ha, not likely. BUT if i had so fucking much money that I couldn't spend it fast enough, would I? Well, personally no. But that is just me. Would it be wrong to spread my money around to people who need it? I think not. Anyway, that is the view of this old man. One who prefers the company and touch of his wife of 48 years.

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i think when the time comes for a man or woman to have a lifelong partner and they want to be truthful then they will have to say they were a sexworker. i think you will lose out at this point as many people will just say "i don't want you".
because once a sexworker, always a sex worker. it ain't about the money honey.

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Look, honey... if you're going to do it, at least stop dabbling and go professional.

Professionals know that, first off, they set the rules for any given encounter. Men, particularly men used to being catered to or obeyed, will push for any inch they can get.*

If you let them set the rules, they will, it's as simple as that. He could tell you were a n00b, thusly you got treated like a n00b.

But, again, hon - have some respect. I know it's horribly trendy to scoop up some page views by dabbling in the sex trade for just long enough to write about it.

I could become a columnist just long enough to gossip to my clients about it - but I respect the writing profession and don't care to use it cheaply. One of the core stances of sex-positive feminism is that sex work is real work, and that professionals who treat it like a profession should be accorded the respect you'd give a dedicated professional in any profession, whether or not you found it personally distasteful.

As a sex-positive feminist, it might be worth it to consider that for a sex worker, this isn't a game. This isn't a hobby or something we do for thrills, writing material, or amusing anecdotes at cocktail parties (though those are some nice perks).

We do it because we're reasonably well paid and enjoy the work. We get up and do the job when we'd rather be out with our friends. We get up and do the job when we want to sleep in, or when we're not feeling well. It's not a joke. It's not a lark. It's a job.

*Not all men are douchebags, but it's a helpful assumption. That way the 60%+ of clients that are perfectly pleasant are a nice surprise.

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It's all out in the open, no one is trying to fool anyone about the true nature of the transaction, and the participants are all consenting adults.

Everyone who gets involved in this knows full well what they're getting themselves into; it doesn't occur under duress, so I see no reason to complain about it.

I'm guessing that the main objective is based on their belief that sex "should" occur only in relation to love and for no other reasons and that these transactions do not even give the illusion of love. That's perfectly well and good to conduct one's own sex life based upon this belief, but as far as I'm concerned, sex for any reason between fully consenting adults need not have to be justified to anyone.

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...you better run for cover

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First off, the author seems to be confusing two different sites online. SugarDaddie.com is also a site, and much different from SugarDaddie4me or SeekingArrangement. The latter two sites are much more mercenary, listing actual dollar amounts. When I attempted a brief stint on them, guys seem to treat the girls like high-class prosititutes. I thought having it all on the table would be refreshing; it was more like repulsive. On the other hand, SugarDaddie.com has a more romantic notion of things, for the wealthy to meet girls who enjoy the finer things in life and who may not have the means. I've met a number of guys from this site for drinks, etc, and only a small percentage have offered to pay me for sex. Many of them want long-term relationships or even marriage, and money is less of a focus than having a high-class good time (i.e. fancy restaurants and hot cars). Just remember, no man has ever paid for sex, they only pay for the right to tell a girl when to go away.

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...that she took umbrage at the gall of men who wanted "hot" sexual partners while simultaneously being insulted whenever an "ugly" man propositioned her? She can demand hot sexual partners, something men should never do.

I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised. This kind of dimwittedness appears to be endemic among "feminist" writers nowadays who constantly excoriate men for doing what they deem correct behavior for themselves. In the name of "equality," but only if the rubric of "equality" will conveniently allow for some form of self-indulgence or revenge against men.

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and it will suit your women just fine.

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if George Clooney had offered her the $ she's probably be singing different tune.

I can just picture the new title of her article: I got big George AND little George and they were both sooo gracious!

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The writer owns SugarDaddy.com?

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So, older people with wealth want to buy young, attractive companionship? Not exactly a new phenomenon, is it, leveraging wealth and power for sexual favors? I swear I saw something just like that on a Jane Goodall documentary, actually. . .

Well, it's all perfectly understandable, but there is a new technological twist that might lead to permanent changes in the world's "oldest profession" - human-like robots. This raises all kinds of questions - are affairs with robots the same as affairs with humans? If Clinton had an affair with a robot intern, would he have been in trouble? Would so many Republican Senators still be lurking around public toilets?

Robots are also loyal. They will not sell their lurid sex stories to the tabloids, nor will they install hidden cameras in the bedroom, nor will they suddenly show up at your home, in front of your wife/husband and children, and demand that you marry them.

Read all about it at http://www.spiegel.de/international/ world/0,1518,522919,00.html

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Here in the City of Brotherly Love, we have a very well-regarded critical care nurse... who is an equally well-regarded 3input prostitute.

The next time you or your loved one visits an ICU in Philly, ask where your RN's hands have been earlier that day.

Our herion-addicted ICU hooker exchanged body fluids for drug cash, all the way thru school & breathtakingly, AFTER graduation/ licensure.

While her fellow students & clinicians were volunteering post 9-11, Katrina and even Iraq, she was volunteering her anus (which most hookers won't do) as well as allowing men to ejaculate on her face & hands, while she was also giving them "prostate massages" with her finger up their rectums.

And incredibly, she also helped "run the phones" ... i.e., pandered & solicited for other drug-addicted coworkers. According to her "escort reviews" she easily did high-risk sex over 1000times in total, 10-12x/ week for 5+ years.

Sound like someone you want treating patients?

Maybe prostitution should be legal. But I don't think even Thomas Jefferson would've approved of a healthcare worker blatantly & brazenly risking patient safety with her ethically-compromised care and chemically-clouded judgement... let alone her microbe-contaminated hands.

God forbid, our teaching-hospitals institute random drug testing. They'd rather accept the risks of herion-hookers, then discover they've (duh) got other clinicans with addictions.

Our Nurse FeelGood has no shame or conscience.

Personally, I hope the families of her dead patients sue her AND her school into the StoneAge for textbook neglect and reckless endangerment. Stay tuned.

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if you can afford it:
Older white women join Kenya's sex tourists

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Let's see........you've hit fifty something, you've worked your ass off to build a business/develop a product that employes hundreds. You've just gotten divorced from a woman your own age.

You have the Ferrari you wanted at 25, and can afford to rent a jet to take the kids to Aspen.

You've been out of the loop for 25 years, have lost your looks somewhat, You wouldn't know where to get an eight-ball to entice the 20-something hotties to come over and party with you, and, besides, you always had difficulty with small take, if they will look at you, period.

You can afford to grease the guy $50 at the door of the hottest club in South Beach, and can afford a reserved table in VIP with a $500 bottle of Dom.

You can live like a rock star but are invisible to the 20 somethings in their hottest club/slutwear.
Who ya gonna call?? Not ghostbusters. Not an escort service. You'll pay for quality. And who knows? Maybe a relationship.

All women have an attraction to money/power/outlaws. Maybe she'll like you for who you are........a nice guy.

More power to sugardaddy dot com !!!

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Nice to see Alternet's main story for today is an "article" of "journalism" that reads a bit more like a nice fat advertisement for these glorified escort services.

And the advice to be a "pro-sex feminist" by forgetting all about that masters you got to be a prostitute instead.

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It has always been the case that people rent parts of their bodies to others at various rates. Thus if I was involved in some questionable activities, I could rent the brain of an experienced professional (called a lawyer) to help me break the law or avoid punishment. I see no moral superiority to lawyers aiding criminal activity over persons who rent other portions of their anatomy for varying periods of time. If the acts in question were simply sex for money, the amounts discussed are way above market values. Are these purchasers ill-informed consumers being taken advantage of by the vendors, or is there more going on.

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This set up represents EVERYTHING feminism stood AGAINST! GET A CLUE!!!! This situation was the norm BEFORE feminism, and frustration in it was what GAVE RISE TO feminism! By condoning it, you want to take us all right back there? Sheer idiocy!

Humanities degrees are supposed to teach us things like critical thinking and history/"her"story. You failed to mention your grade point average, which, from your apparent lack of critical thinking skills, I would guess to be about 1.5.

Also, what the hell are SugarDaddy.com ads doing on Alternet?

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Finding yourself a hot girl through a sugardaddy website isn't any different than buying a bride you've never met from across the world. It's based on a completely pathetic desire for a trophy fuck/prize and is a utility to boost men's egos.

For women who should have their own agency in this country, I think it's disempowering to go on a website and search/wait for a man to get a hard-on, message you, and wait to fuck you so he can pay you. Getting paid to be with someone who you don't have any sort of feelings for is a form of prostitution, no matter how pretty you want to paint the words. I'd like to think women have more dignity than that, even if it means earning less money.

Websites like this are contributing to a continuous mold of patriarchal society, with women's sexuality wrapped into it. I think women have every right to be sexual, liberated beings, as I am one myself... But it should never be on men's terms, and let's face it, this website is designed for men to fulfill something within themselves they aren't ballsy enough to seek out in the open. The women, if they are even old enough to be called such a name, are at best ignorant participants.

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The article had me reeling in all the usual ways-o-horror so I enjoyed that trip. The comments had the usual raft of hate, antiquated moralizing and condescension, *snore* then I hit a few comments that were just brilliant, the old 73 yo dude, the few before mine, etc. The whole thing gave me a really nice ride, one of the better ones on the Alternetsss.

The one thing that I can't shake, which I think is the source of the shock I feel, which seems really dumb since 'Merkuh is utter run-to-the-core on the thing... is money. Everyone needs money and the rich absolutely control that (who gets it and what has to be done to get it). My disgust isn't even remotely related to the sexual or relationship issues the article raises in a very intriguing and erotic way, but it's all about the goddamned money and the utter and total control of the rich in terms of absolute domination of those that aren't rich and the obscene way the rich know that and use others as toys.

God damn, I hate rich people more and more every day. Why would anyone want to be rich if it takes that much domination of others, that much selling off of one's humanity just to have absolute power over another because of figures in a computer or pieces of paper 'n metal. What the fuck is wrong with human beings that this thing called money can do so much damage? It's like the ultimate incestuous relationship.

We're so totally going extinct.

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When I first moved to NYC I had no idea such things went on. Sure, I knew about escort services, had been to Amsterdam, and of course street "hoes". But to my amazement one night a female roommate of mine who was highly educated, albeit a bit promiscuous, said that she had escorted in the past. I was shocked, but more shocked by her next statement that it was no big deal and that a lot of beautiful women in the city do it. Obviously the expected slate of models and actresses; but also lawyers, women in finance, etc. Her and their philosophy was why go home with some random bar-guy every 6 or 7 weeks; do it once a month and get paid for it! All men know that if it's one thing 90% of women love most, it is money. My experiences and this article are just further proof. As a side note, I'm now in an awesome relationship so no replies saying I'm bitter please. It's just that my girlfriend already has money, so this lust for old dudes with large wallets never entered her mind. Perhaps the materialism of women should be looked at with a critical eye when investigating this phenomena.

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I couldn't finish this article, the writing was so smug and self-congratulatory. I don't read crap like Cosmo because I want to avoid vapid drivel like this. I prefer articles written by people with real experience. I also believe that as long as no one is victimized we should all mind our own business when it comes to sex.

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What is wrong with this young woman? Has she ever heard of self-respect? Why is money so important that she would consider having sex for money? Sex should be about intimacy and mutuality. Doing it for money is prostitution plain and simple. No matter what the price or the clothes she is wearing.

And what is wrong with these people writing in that the high cost of living or education justifies stooping to this activity? It should be about principles, not about money.

I have to agree with the person who wrote and titled his comment WHORES.

How did society become so f*ed up that selling sex for money is just another professional option?

WAKE UP, YOU STUPID GIRLS!

And this has nothing to do with being judgmental or prudish. Have all the sex you want because you want to (safely), but NOT FOR MONEY, YOU IDIOTS!

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And where is it written that sex should only be about intimacy and mutuality??

Come on........never had a one night stand?? A zipless fuck??

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Your assumptions about women and sex reveal that you have no understanding of how these out of control sex industries are hurting all of us women. Just because a man thinks (and might I add that most of the 'men' on this page included) he can buy happiness through paid sex with don't-kid-yourselves-whores, that does not make it true. I, as a representative of the female sex, reject the argument that objectifying us is okay, as long as the sex worker thinks it is. Well, how about murder, too? I guess there's no problem as long as the perpetrator thinks it's okay. Why should anyone question the logic of the ever sicker American male? Why he has money!

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Some of these comments seem to reflect constipated cultural attitudes toward sex, social status, and occupation.

I was blessed with some innate thinking ability, and parents who taught me to take pride in doing that well. I was always at or near the top of the class in school, and enjoyed my learning interests.

It struck me in college that after studying all day, the thinking part of me was often too tired to use as I would like for my own interests. So I chose (instead of entering law or academia) to make my living with my hands, and not whore out my mind to satisfy other people's needs, wants, goals, problems, desires, etc. I put my manual labor up for exploitation, made a go of it by cutting out the middle man to work for myself, didn't make that business my life, cultivated a frugal lifestyle that didn't get suckered by commercialism, and have enjoyed a lifetime luxury of indulging wide-ranging intellectual pursuits in my ample free time.

We are all objectified and exploited in one way or another by this society, along the lines to which both parties agree. One strategy is to pursue what you love doing, and enjoy being exploited for that.

I take pride in having saved that part of me which I value most for the purposes I most value. Many comments here seem to echo this sentiment, except the part and purpose deemed most valuable are genitals and sex instead of brain and thinking. I suggest this thoughtlessly reflects our uptight cultural attitude toward carnality.

Those who choose to work in the sex business for the coin to pursue what they value more, may be less exploited and in more control of their lives than white-collar office workers on what they feel is a life-sapping hamster-wheel, while struggling to break even.

The pertinent issue isn't what you put on the market for others, it's what you save for yourself. Does one's choice serve and protect what they truly value most, or has one unwittingly allowed themself to be shame-bullied into selling their most-prized resource to lead a poorer life?

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Wouldn't it be nice to make the kind of money he is making and sleep with whoever you want to? You sound pretty hot too, you wouldn't have to pay anyone.

My advice, (if you care) start reading the kinds of books about money he has been reading, talking to the kind of people he has been talking to about money, start a company and make bank!

I think it's interesting that people cling to this shriveled rotting raisin of a man image as the mascot for security and financial freedom. To be honest if you REALLY just don't want to work at all, I've dated a younger guy who was HOT, and rich (his own money) and I don't ever dress up or wear make up (I'm also a bit of a douche) so anything is possible ladies...aim higher;)

But I'm a hypocrite. I LOVE older women and the idea of the right one paying me to "hang out" with her is almost too good to be true.

Enough of my twisted fantasies...

Sad thing about dating raisins for money... 4 Pros and Cons of Dating a Much Older Man

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The line between prostitute and mistress is a blurry one. Each provides sex for money but the circumstances surrounding the act determine the ethical coloring. After a lifetime of observing the human scene I will say this: women provide sex for money either in order to survive and/or because they don't want to work i.e. they are lazy. Within that context many a perceptive observation can be made but very few, I would say, will address the fundamental question: why do we men permit a monetary-social system that even presents women with the option of copulating for pay? I too could hold forth with the obvious answer but lets consider the more accurate question: why do we men permit certain ones amongst us to put women in the position of even entertaining the idea of selling themselves? My answer is that ultimately we are all subservient to the monetary/economic system and thus to those who control it.

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It seems like this whole article was a subconscious desire for the author to have more sex than she has had (for whatever reasons). Or to at least lavish herself as the hot sugar momma she thinks she is.....Like others have commented, a name is a name and it IS only PROSTITUTION.

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It is wilful naiveté to imagine that there aren’t those who “understand the calculations”. Occupy yourselves by making sure you aren’t among them.

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Because they target only the poorest johns. It is pure discrimination against the poor.

The wealthy can use "sugardaddie.com" or just marry a youngster for a few months, divorce, and move on. Kinda like the way Rudy Guiliani gets new snatch.

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I don't feel this is sexist as this is not a privilege reserved for men. Women of means are able to go find themselves a sugarboy as well. Here in NYC there are several cougar services an example is a recent event with celebrity matchmaker Janis Spindel:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/oukoe_uk_newyork_boytoys

There are lots of websites catering to cougars/boy-toys seeking each other.

To me womens' rights are about having equal rights to men. If I was a wealthy, mature women I would have the same option of finding a boytoy as a man of finding a sugarbaby. Therefore it is not a sexist issue.

These relationships are not for everone. And while there are many outright sleazy (and cheap) men like the ones in the article there are many arrangements that are mutually enjoyable where the woman grows rather fond of the guy and they have fun together. While some men are looking for kinky escapades just as many others are happy with a few minutes of vanilla sex now and then; sure the girl may not like it but that part may only be a fraction of other time spent together that she may actually enjoy. Most women in this type of relationship have sought it out by choice and are not being coerced or forced; there is no victimization and they can break it off at anytime.

Quite a few sugardaddy relationships grow into friendships/mentorships that remain even after the arrangement has stopped.

People enter relationships for a variety of reasons and as long as they are consentual there's no reason to moralize.

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If you're 20, it's fine to be attracted to a 33-year-old with more money. But don't sell yourself to a 45+ guy as a trophy wife for money. Men's fertility starts to decline after 35 - men over 35 spawn retards, psychos, and cripples. It gets worse the older they get.

People think that men can have babies forever, and that's true, but older men have RETARDS and schizophrenics and cripples. I'm not saying those people don't deserve love if they happen to be born, but for God's sake, don't engage in behavior that's going to bring them into the world! Don't waste your young body on that. If you're in your 20s, don't marry a guy more than 10 years your elder. If you're in your 30s, marry a peer. Marrying older men was good back when women were 20 and the "older men" were 30, and the average life span was 45. But now it's a huge mistake.

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I am already aware of the SugarDaddy site from previous web-surfing. It looked like a repulsive idea just based on the ad, but hearing about it here just confirmed my suspicion. I feel vaguely naseuous just thinking about this shit...and as far as I'm concerned, that's all this is.

The last time I felt anything close to this was back in my teens when I was looking through one of my old man's Penthouse mags. I got about halfway through it before I stopped out of disgust. Though I couldn't put my finger on it at the time, I realize now that I was appalled by what I saw as the lack of self-respect. Why go through all that these women had just for a few lousy bucks? But compared to this website, those gals look like the smart ones.

The dirty secret of the global economy right now is that the sex trade is on the verge of becoming the new drug trade. Some aspects of it, I've got no beef with. But when you think all those teen Iraqi refugee girls whoring themselves for survival in Syria, Eastern European girls being enslaved by whatever criminal organization happens to be in the neighborhood of their village, Asian child prostitutes who are sold by their parents for sums they couldn't make in a hundred years on their own (Thailand is the most notorious example, but there are others), tell me you're not disturbed. Now couple these phenomena with a website that allows rich folk to order up a woman the way I'd order up a pizza.

Sick yet?

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Enough moralizing. It really doesn't matter whether you think its right or wrong because your little comment on AlterNet isn't going to change anything. So, having established that this isn't going to change maybe its time to contemplate some of the implications.

For starters... how the heck am I going to afford a hot girlfriend when I'm still paying off my student loan?

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If you're young, good looking, and talk a good game you'll score without the cash. But watch out for the competition....guys your age with the Porsche and the blow......

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Choice = agency.

man is sleaze for buying sex than woman is sleaze for selling sex.

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Wasn't there an article about old western women going to third world countries and paying young men's dinner to nail them...this, I believe was seen as "empowering" somehow.

Enough.

Pussy=dick. there is no < or > in this equation. Your vagina is no more your identity than a penis is a mans identity.

So stop it. People want to be dumb and sell out than whatever, they are both sell-outs and soul-less. Quit changing the rules based on the gender...

How to tell if an article is sexist, no exceptions. simply invert all gender associations and re-read article. the end.

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...especially when it's done for money.

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When I moved to L.A. in 1980, I was in my mid-20's and like almost any female under 400 lbs and not two-headed, I was propositioned many times. This "sugar daddy" arrangement was offered to me several times, but it never appealed to me. As lowpaid and arduous as my existence was at a series of administrative jobs, I viewed sex as pleasure, not business. A man who is paying your bills is not a boyfriend; he's a client. And that casts an entirely different power dynamic on the relationship.

I am not judgmental about prostitution if that is what people choose to do. But it does seem like incredible moral laxity to say, Hey, why not turn tricks instead of making a contribution to society with my skills? The pay's a lot better.

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Disclosure: I see escorts on a regular basis.

I'm sure Ms. masters degree in humanities hasn't dated anyone since the day she left college without checking out his earnings potential. As a single man in my 40's I can tell you that income is the most important factor on any guys dating prospectus. Somewhere down the list women look at factors like looks, chemistry, existing children, political affiliation, tolerance for small dogs and ability to dance. Way, way, down the list.

So for her the buff guy who works on a tree crew, reads Emerson and Rumi, hangs out at the Zen center and the MOMA is off the list anyway. He can't afford the "entry fee." He probably also couldn't afford or tolerate the fancy college education she brags about either or the unpaid internships that get you staff positions on major magazines.

Let's quit pretending. We've all met the hottie married to the coatrack with a portfolio who doesn't look in her vibrator drawer. He pretends that she loves him for his intellect and she pretends that he's really at the golf course Saturday mornings. Have you ever tried to book a session on a Saturday? Good luck.

So while she's selling her tight hot ass at one market she's oh-so-shocked at the girls who sell it down the road. Methinks she doth protest too much.

Here's a clue ladies; amateurs get diseases bar-hopping and can hook up with boyfriends with domestic violence issues. It happens every day, honest. Ask you local Planned Parenthood clinic.

Next clue, enjoyable sex can be had by hookers with their clients. At least that's what the girls I visit tell me. I would suspect that I'm being fed a line as you do but some checking with other clients reveals that I get significant discounts and an expanded menu. So the market has spoken.

Finally, before you launch into your femininsta, "pathetic male loser," rant you should know that I'm autistic. I just do not function emotionally at normal bandwidth. Put me in a room with people I don't know I'm a mess. One at a time, with clothes off, I actually pay women 20 years my junior to allow me to massage them and cuddle as well as the rest of it. One on one I can focus like nobody's business so they don't seem to mind if my focus is "make the girl make happy noises."

So place me in a market where I have to buy it from women my age or buy it from sweet young things I find the college girls are cheaper and better company. I fought reality for years before I wised up. Sensitive-new-age-guy is code for celibate.

The author is going to be in for a major shock in ten years when she finds she is no longer in demand except as a customer. She can botox her degreed self all she wants but formerly pretty cougar who never settled is a recipe for future "cat lady" in my book.

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...with young men having the opportunity to link up with sugarmommies, I guarantee we would not be having so much moralizing and rationalization going on here. There would just be a lot more job opportunities for the "moral" men in the traditional workplace!

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When you boil it down, what is really happening?

The shallow superficialness of wealth is being traded for the shallow superficialnes of youthly attractiveness.

The only difference between the author and the clients of sugardaddy.com is that the auther consider's her shallow, superficial commodity, to be more valuable than the purchaser's shallow superficial commodity.

That thinking makes her one of them.

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No! Dirty-mind, not anal sex! Geez. Some analysis.

Like what this says about our economy, about class relations, about gender relations. I feel like I just got done reading someones myspace blog. If the author was hoping to maintain a journalism career anywhere besides Vice magazine she is going to have to go a little more in depth and not count so much on shock value to make her point for her.

There is a lot going on here that gets no attention. Like the fact that it is time to burn down the White House for setting us on a path where the scenario described is a viable option re: employment. We need to fuck those Fat Catz the way we've been fucked. Kick it over!

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This is one of men's complaints. This article seems to confirm that a very high percentage of women have their 'price'. Whether it's a better looking old dude with less money or an uglier guy with plenty cash. I really feel disgusted and feel sorry for my children that have to grow up in this society. Why don't people have values as they did in the past and just live within their means? If you are an attractive woman and have a Master degree and can get $39000, why don't you freaking settle for that? Look at yourself nicely in the mirror and ask yourself if your entire self respect and self esteem is worth the Gucci bag of your girlfriend. Instead of being consumed with this rat race of keeping up with the Joneses, just develop yourself interests that are beyond nice car , nice house and a bank account. Live within your means and keep your body for whom you really love, or otherwise you would shame yourself in your own eyes and even if you save a million Dollars and nobody would ever know about your past being a whore, one day, you will feel as disgusted as I feel now, and about yourself. You might as well sell your soul to the devil.

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or done by illegal immigrants at 1/10th the cost before you know it. Damnit won't anyone protect the jobs of good American whores?

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they worked with me, screwed the boss, got promotions and raises, sometimes got married to the boss, and were respected by men and women alike. How do you think most of the original female jockeys became jockeys in the first place? Believe me they had to "get their seats fixed" as the saying goes.

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"offended not that he offered me money for sex, but that he offered so little and was so gross,"

Offered so little? By my math you were being offered $3000 / (7*365.25/12) = $689.94 a time. That's WAY above the general going rate. Now sure some nights he might do it twice or more, but given his state of health I'd so not often. Really you should get over yourself. There are mexican girls just over got over the fence who'd do a better job than you, look prettier than you and don't think they're god's gift who'd do it for $150 or less (sometimes much less).

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Supply rises to meet demand. If there wasn't a demand, there wouldn't be a supply...Simple high school economics. Why doesn't someone apply free market capitalism to the sex trade?

Call it whatever you want.
There are many posts regarding the audacity of women to accept something in exchange for sex. Why isn't anyone questioning the audacity of the men to offer something in exchange for sex?

Face it, men bribing women for sex w/ money, material items, whatever is THE oldest profession in the world. Prostitutes were once valued by society because it was believed men needed an outlet to express their sexuality (testosterone) or it would lead to increased violence. Bush,Cheney, Iraq War...anyone connecting the dots?

As long as ONLY consenting adults are involved, who really gives a crap?

Last but not least - the author needs to take remedial journalism. I'm not sure exactly what point(s) she was trying to make, but her piece is very one-sided and judgemental. Like, what about the ugly old men's wives? what's their take on this? do they even know about this? Why are there so many men who think it is ok to deceive the woman they married for a piece of ass? I know someone who WOULD NEVER have gone to college unless she worked in the sex industry to pay for college, she couldn't work a ft job and go to school ft. We should be asking ourselves what the fuck is wrong w/ society that some men have no sense of morality and integrity and some women it is their only option? We should be asking WHY is human sexuality playing out this way in our society?

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personally I found this article to be quite interesting. I could see just why the younger, and yes, " pretty" according to the definition of what most macho men [ and to a slighter extent- younger club lesbians I see at LGBT bars]; feel makes a woman just that. upon first reading this, I had, as a transsexual woman[ MTF] in transition; was how my friend had done something like this. she both worked the sex clubs down in manhattan, queens, all that , plus had herself one of these "sugar daddies"; all so she could not only pay NYC's high rents; but to pay for her SRS operation as well. in fact, she said, her sugar daddy paid for the " op" in full! myself, as degrading to self esteem as this shit what these younger, "pretty" in the older rich man's/most any of those macho men's, eyes, is; at least they do know the rent check will be paid and food will be put on the table for them, and perhaps their kids. otherwise, they'd be doomed to working at ' WAL-FART', or maybe mc donalds or dress barn, working perhaps " part time" for 32-37-1/2 hours times two/three jobs; all for an avg of $8-10 an hour! [ I know this young and right cute gay dude whom does the two PT jobs, 70 hrs week deal- all so he can get those " PT benefits after two years employment" at the supermarket one which is union]
myself, still, at age 45 , I am living in my mom's connecticut condo [till it gets sold ] and on an SSDI/SSI disabliity check of just $657/mth. plus the medicare coverage and the PDP covering my HRT. I have been trying to start my own business to the point where it will become profitable, an ebay store called Cheryl Lynne's TrannySass Trailer at http:stores.ebay.com/Cheryl-Lynnes-Trannysass-Trailer. orders seem to be coming in for my OPI nail products, but not even close to breaking past what I pay monthly to big , corporate e-bay in fees! having never even come close to getting 1/3 through community college and seeing that so many, even with " 2-year" degrees; still are expected to work like sweathogs and be great at " multi-tasking"; then ,knowing that I've got to find an affordable rental place in a transgender-inclusive- state [like CA,OR,NM] I can see just why these younger women [including younger transwomen] resort to this. it seems to be impossible to find any rental place anywhere in the USA now for under $500-600 a month! and where they can be found; well places like yreka, california; madras,oregon; delhi, NY; even yakima,WA- all have limited employment prospects. and so, what makes doing something like this enticing is both the easy money, or in the case of being basically " unemployable" because of no real experience[ exception being to take a part time job with NO medical benefits], a JOB which pays a helluva lot more then wal-mart or staples ever will; is this. from what I read, this pays women a lot more then they would make as a cashier, or medical office assistant. and for many transwomen whom can "pass" well as the stereotypical " feminine pretty" woman these old money goons want; this could mean a steady living in a world where too many employers discriminate! [ wal mart? anybody??? LOL]

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Talk about degrading! While I don't let women off the hook for making stupid facile choices and thinking that "it's ok to sell your body" or "it's empowering to sleep with strangers for cash" I have to say it's interesting to me that no one ever really examines the male mentality (straight and gay) that it's ok to pay someone to have sex with you. I find this so gross and unsexual. I mean how demoralizing to have to pay someone to make love to you. How could you even ENJOY it knowing that they were only in it for the money (no matter how much they pretend) It is really something I don't understand about men.I see these guys lay out money for strippers (A LOT of whom are lesbians or who REALLY LOATHE MEN) and yet so many of these guys pretend (or maybe they actually do believe) that the women like it. When a lot of the time, these women are laughing at these guys and hating them bitterly while they take their money. The whole equation is VILE. It's astounding how men can delude themselves. As a woman who has had sex with many men (for enjoyment ONLY) While I understand the temptation to make a quick buck on your back, I would hate to alienate myself from my own sex drive by turning my body into a commodity (regular work is bad enough)

But even worse would be to PAY someone to touch me sexually- How degrading

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if you really think these woman who you have to pay to touch you naked are enjoying themselves...I don't deny your right to let yourself off the hook from basic human interaction (it is hard) but jeez don't insult our intelligence with the line about the hookers WANTING to fuck you...Take a risk and try to have real sexual experience..believe me there are fat, ugly, blind ,limbless men who are getting it and don't have to pay....use your mind, your charm, your kindness and some basic decency... give your humanity a workout- There are women who don't care how much money you have what you look like what kind of a car your drive or even how big your P--- is... they just want a nice guy, a funny guy, a sweet or sensitive guy or someone who sees them as a PERSON and not a thing to be used...or paid for...are you man enough for that?

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Why attack a guy who would rather have consensual sex with a woman as an equal than use a woman as a commodity? Your remark that he sucks because he would rather be with a woman who would "give it way" is sexist and obsolete and implies that a woman's sexuality is something to "give" "sell" or"keep until you are married" How about the fact that he's giving "it" away too? A woman who "gives it" away is a sexist notion. We have sex because it feels good and it's a biological drive. Why isn't a woman entitled to use her body without trading it for something- a diamond ring or 50 bucks??? It's a sad day when the only respectable women are what society calls "sluts".

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OK, So there's this person with a fabulous body who is really good at a high-contact sport... how much does this person make in our world? Well, if that person is male and good at a highly marketable, popular sport, he can make millions per year. If that person is female, she can be equally good at her sport, if it's 'legitimate' (factoring in differences in pure body mass and such) and make a comparative pittance.
Now consider a woman who has learned to make a fabulous living at a high contact (cooperative) sport that is illegal (or barely legal) and notice that she can make money that might possibly put her up there with the second string of that men-only pro sport.
Why? It's got something to do with our culture having chosen to appreciate women and women's abilities differently than men's. And making "the oldest profession" i.e., a skill that has apparently always been the women's stronghold, illegal to do for money.
If people are finding ways to reorganize and redefine the equation so that choices open up a bit, it is a good thing. And of course, it's going to be a messy process and there will be a lot of moralizing, etc. That's how progress happens.

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as I picture many of those alteh cucker far right Republicans (holier than thou) reaching for the bulging billfold to entice some pretty young woman in to commit Sodomy. Do you think our upright President is a sugar daddy? Or maybe he's too cheap to go for the good stuff.

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realationship fool..the sex is maybe on the back burner..more often than not the excitement and hipness of her crowd..and the beuaty and personality of her is what he desires..i call it the baby bird that fell out of the nest syndrome..i wanna take care of you..no matter what..so the writer of this piece of phd thought out piece of crap is in left field..maybe she should do a piece on userboyfriend.com,,,and date one to boot to git her next story..lol..come into the office the next day with 2 black eyes...suger daddys excist..and fill a viable spot in the human exspeareance..

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or else they could take there money to a real life like doll..guys that to have beutie and passive???i think not..surger daddy = a guy not calling a sex line at work to git his jollys..or going to strip clubs...he's buying a relationship..its her personality and looks that makes him swoon..an s.d. is a careing person....all though many a time to his ineveable detrement.

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a couple thoughts ...

right on to the people saying legalize sex work - who is trying to keep women from earning money? And yes, the labor market = we all rent our bodies.

that said, if humans were more skilled at relating to each other (and less brainwashed by the media's concept of beauty), paying for sex would be less common, and if wealth were shared more equitably, selling sex would be less common.

For me, it's like abortion. It should be safe and legal, but let's make a society where it's less necessary. Can you imagine a world where the only way to make money is to fuck and the only way to be sexually fulfilled is to pay for it? Yuck. A couple ideas:
- talk about your fantasies with your partners - don't be afraid to be dirty, we might like it
- men - be nice to women, we like that too.
- for men and women - try expanding your idea of beauty, you just might be surprised
- how many cars do you really need?
- equal pay for equal work, free college, AND
- just like we have a minimum wage, we should have a maximum wage. Some people have WAAAY too much money on their hands.

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