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Noam Chomsky: International Terror Most-Wanted List

By Noam Chomsky, Tomdispatch.com. Posted February 26, 2008.


If Washington turned its definition of terror on the U.S., America could rise to the top of its own most-wanted list.
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One of Noam Chomsky's latest books -- a conversation with David Barsamian -- is entitled What We Say Goes. It catches a powerful theme of Chomsky's: that we have long been living on a one-way planet and that the language we regularly wield to describe the realities of our world is tailored to Washington's interests.


Juan Cole, at his Informed Comment website, had a good example of the strangeness of this targeted language recently. When Serbs stormed the U.S. Embassy in Belgrade, he offered the following comment (with so many years of the term "Islamofascism" in mind): "...given that the Serbs are Eastern Orthodox Christians, will the Republican Party and Fox Cable News now start fulminating against 'Christofascism?'"


Of course, the minute you try to turn the Washington norm (in word or act) around, as Chomsky did in a piece entitled What If Iran Had Invaded Mexico?, you've already entered the theater of the absurd. "Terror" is a particularly good example of this. "Terror" is something that, by (recent) definition, is committed by free-floating groups or movements against innocent civilians and is utterly reprehensible (unless the group turns out to be the CIA running car bombs into Baghdad or car and camel bombs into Afghanistan, in which case it's not a topic that's either much discussed, or condemned in our world). On the other hand, that weapon of terror, air power, which is at the heart of the American way of war, simply doesn't qualify under the category of "terror" at all -- no matter how terrifying it may be to innocent civilians who find themselves underneath the missiles and bombs.


It's with this in mind that Chomsky turns to terror of every kind in the Middle East in the context of the car bombing of a major figure in Lebanon's Hizbollah movement. By the way, The Essential Chomsky (edited by Anthony Arnove), a new collection of his writings on politics and on language from the 1950s to the present, has just been published and is highly recommended. Introduction by TomDispatch editor, Tom Engelhardt.

The Most Wanted List

International Terrorism

By Noam Chomsky


On February 13, Imad Moughniyeh, a senior commander of Hizbollah, was assassinated in Damascus. "The world is a better place without this man in it," State Department spokesperson Sean McCormack said: "one way or the other he was brought to justice." Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell added that Moughniyeh has been "responsible for more deaths of Americans and Israelis than any other terrorist with the exception of Osama bin Laden."


Joy was unconstrained in Israel too, as "one of the U.S. and Israel's most wanted men" was brought to justice, the London Financial Times reported. Under the heading, "A militant wanted the world over," an accompanying story reported that he was "superseded on the most-wanted list by Osama bin Laden" after 9/11 and so ranked only second among "the most wanted militants in the world."


The terminology is accurate enough, according to the rules of Anglo-American discourse, which defines "the world" as the political class in Washington and London (and whoever happens to agree with them on specific matters). It is common, for example, to read that "the world" fully supported George Bush when he ordered the bombing of Afghanistan. That may be true of "the world," but hardly of the world, as revealed in an international Gallup Poll after the bombing was announced. Global support was slight. In Latin America, which has some experience with U.S. behavior, support ranged from 2% in Mexico to 16% in Panama, and that support was conditional upon the culprits being identified (they still weren't eight months later, the FBI reported), and civilian targets being spared (they were attacked at once). There was an overwhelming preference in the world for diplomatic/judicial measures, rejected out of hand by "the world."


Following the Terror Trail


In the present case, if "the world" were extended to the world, we might find some other candidates for the honor of most hated arch-criminal. It is instructive to ask why this might be true.


The Financial Times reports that most of the charges against Moughniyeh are unsubstantiated, but "one of the very few times when his involvement can be ascertained with certainty [is in] the hijacking of a TWA plane in 1985 in which a U.S. Navy diver was killed." This was one of two terrorist atrocities the led a poll of newspaper editors to select terrorism in the Middle East as the top story of 1985; the other was the hijacking of the passenger liner Achille Lauro, in which a crippled American, Leon Klinghoffer, was brutally murdered,. That reflects the judgment of "the world." It may be that the world saw matters somewhat differently.


The Achille Lauro hijacking was a retaliation for the bombing of Tunis ordered a week earlier by Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres. His air force killed 75 Tunisians and Palestinians with smart bombs that tore them to shreds, among other atrocities, as vividly reported from the scene by the prominent Israeli journalist Amnon Kapeliouk. Washington cooperated by failing to warn its ally Tunisia that the bombers were on the way, though the Sixth Fleet and U.S. intelligence could not have been unaware of the impending attack. Secretary of State George Shultz informed Israeli Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir that Washington "had considerable sympathy for the Israeli action," which he termed "a legitimate response" to "terrorist attacks," to general approbation. A few days later, the UN Security Council unanimously denounced the bombing as an "act of armed aggression" (with the U.S. abstaining). "Aggression" is, of course, a far more serious crime than international terrorism. But giving the United States and Israel the benefit of the doubt, let us keep to the lesser charge against their leadership.


A few days after, Peres went to Washington to consult with the leading international terrorist of the day, Ronald Reagan, who denounced "the evil scourge of terrorism," again with general acclaim by "the world."


The "terrorist attacks" that Shultz and Peres offered as the pretext for the bombing of Tunis were the killings of three Israelis in Larnaca, Cyprus. The killers, as Israel conceded, had nothing to do with Tunis, though they might have had Syrian connections. Tunis was a preferable target, however. It was defenseless, unlike Damascus. And there was an extra pleasure: more exiled Palestinians could be killed there.


The Larnaca killings, in turn, were regarded as retaliation by the perpetrators: They were a response to regular Israeli hijackings in international waters in which many victims were killed -- and many more kidnapped and sent to prisons in Israel, commonly to be held without charge for long periods. The most notorious of these has been the secret prison/torture chamber Facility 1391. A good deal can be learned about it from the Israeli and foreign press. Such regular Israeli crimes are, of course, known to editors of the national press in the U.S., and occasionally receive some casual mention.


Klinghoffer's murder was properly viewed with horror, and is very famous. It was the topic of an acclaimed opera and a made-for-TV movie, as well as much shocked commentary deploring the savagery of Palestinians -- "two-headed beasts" (Prime Minister Menachem Begin), "drugged roaches scurrying around in a bottle" (Chief of Staff Raful Eitan), "like grasshoppers compared to us," whose heads should be "smashed against the boulders and walls" (Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir). Or more commonly just "Araboushim," the slang counterpart of "kike" or "nigger."


Thus, after a particularly depraved display of settler-military terror and purposeful humiliation in the West Bank town of Halhul in December 1982, which disgusted even Israeli hawks, the well-known military/political analyst Yoram Peri wrote in dismay that one "task of the army today [is] to demolish the rights of innocent people just because they are Araboushim living in territories that God promised to us," a task that became far more urgent, and was carried out with far more brutality, when the Araboushim began to "raise their heads" a few years later.


We can easily assess the sincerity of the sentiments expressed about the Klinghoffer murder. It is only necessary to investigate the reaction to comparable U.S.-backed Israeli crimes. Take, for example, the murder in April 2002 of two crippled Palestinians, Kemal Zughayer and Jamal Rashid, by Israeli forces rampaging through the refugee camp of Jenin in the West Bank. Zughayer's crushed body and the remains of his wheelchair were found by British reporters, along with the remains of the white flag he was holding when he was shot dead while seeking to flee the Israeli tanks which then drove over him, ripping his face in two and severing his arms and legs. Jamal Rashid was crushed in his wheelchair when one of Israel's huge U.S.-supplied Caterpillar bulldozers demolished his home in Jenin with his family inside. The differential reaction, or rather non-reaction, has become so routine and so easy to explain that no further commentary is necessary.


Car Bomb


Plainly, the 1985 Tunis bombing was a vastly more severe terrorist crime than the Achille Lauro hijacking, or the crime for which Moughniyeh's "involvement can be ascertained with certainty" in the same year. But even the Tunis bombing had competitors for the prize for worst terrorist atrocity in the Mideast in the peak year of 1985.


One challenger was a car-bombing in Beirut right outside a mosque, timed to go off as worshippers were leaving Friday prayers. It killed 80 people and wounded 256. Most of the dead were girls and women, who had been leaving the mosque, though the ferocity of the blast "burned babies in their beds," "killed a bride buying her trousseau," and "blew away three children as they walked home from the mosque." It also "devastated the main street of the densely populated" West Beirut suburb, reported Nora Boustany three years later in the Washington Post.


The intended target had been the Shi'ite cleric Sheikh Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, who escaped. The bombing was carried out by Reagan's CIA and his Saudi allies, with Britain's help, and was specifically authorized by CIA Director William Casey, according to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward's account in his book Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA, 1981-1987. Little is known beyond the bare facts, thanks to rigorous adherence to the doctrine that we do not investigate our own crimes (unless they become too prominent to suppress, and the inquiry can be limited to some low-level "bad apples" who were naturally "out of control").


"Terrorist Villagers"


A third competitor for the 1985 Mideast terrorism prize was Prime Minister Peres' "Iron Fist" operations in southern Lebanese territories then occupied by Israel in violation of Security Council orders. The targets were what the Israeli high command called "terrorist villagers." Peres's crimes in this case sank to new depths of "calculated brutality and arbitrary murder" in the words of a Western diplomat familiar with the area, an assessment amply supported by direct coverage. They are, however, of no interest to "the world" and therefore remain uninvestigated, in accordance with the usual conventions. We might well ask whether these crimes fall under international terrorism or the far more severe crime of aggression, but let us again give the benefit of the doubt to Israel and its backers in Washington and keep to the lesser charge.


These are a few of the thoughts that might cross the minds of people elsewhere in the world, even if not those of "the world," when considering "one of the very few times" Imad Moughniyeh was clearly implicated in a terrorist crime.


The U.S. also accuses him of responsibility for devastating double suicide truck-bomb attacks on U.S. Marine and French paratrooper barracks in Lebanon in 1983, killing 241 Marines and 58 paratroopers, as well as a prior attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 63, a particularly serious blow because of a meeting there of CIA officials at the time.


The Financial Times has, however, attributed the attack on the Marine barracks to Islamic Jihad, not Hizbollah. Fawaz Gerges, one of the leading scholars on the jihadi movements and on Lebanon, has written that responsibility was taken by an "unknown group called Islamic Jihad." A voice speaking in classical Arabic called for all Americans to leave Lebanon or face death. It has been claimed that Moughniyeh was the head of Islamic Jihad at the time, but to my knowledge, evidence is sparse.


The opinion of the world has not been sampled on the subject, but it is possible that there might be some hesitancy about calling an attack on a military base in a foreign country a "terrorist attack," particularly when U.S. and French forces were carrying out heavy naval bombardments and air strikes in Lebanon, and shortly after the U.S. provided decisive support for the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, which killed some 20,000 people and devastated the south, while leaving much of Beirut in ruins. It was finally called off by President Reagan when international protest became too intense to ignore after the Sabra-Shatila massacres.


In the United States, the Israeli invasion of Lebanon is regularly described as a reaction to Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) terrorist attacks on northern Israel from their Lebanese bases, making our crucial contribution to these major war crimes understandable. In the real world, the Lebanese border area had been quiet for a year, apart from repeated Israeli attacks, many of them murderous, in an effort to elicit some PLO response that could be used as a pretext for the already planned invasion. Its actual purpose was not concealed at the time by Israeli commentators and leaders: to safeguard the Israeli takeover of the occupied West Bank. It is of some interest that the sole serious error in Jimmy Carter's book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid is the repetition of this propaganda concoction about PLO attacks from Lebanon being the motive for the Israeli invasion. The book was bitterly attacked, and desperate efforts were made to find some phrase that could be misinterpreted, but this glaring error -- the only one -- was ignored. Reasonably, since it satisfies the criterion of adhering to useful doctrinal fabrications.


Killing without Intent


Another allegation is that Moughniyeh "masterminded" the bombing of Israel's embassy in Buenos Aires on March 17, 1992, killing 29 people, in response, as the Financial Times put it, to Israel's "assassination of former Hizbollah leader Abbas Al-Mussawi in an air attack in southern Lebanon." About the assassination, there is no need for evidence: Israel proudly took credit for it. The world might have some interest in the rest of the story. Al-Mussawi was murdered with a U.S.-supplied helicopter, well north of Israel's illegal "security zone" in southern Lebanon. He was on his way to Sidon from the village of Jibshit, where he had spoken at the memorial for another Imam murdered by Israeli forces. The helicopter attack also killed his wife and five-year old child. Israel then employed U.S.-supplied helicopters to attack a car bringing survivors of the first attack to a hospital.


After the murder of the family, Hezbollah "changed the rules of the game," Prime Minister Rabin informed the Israeli Knesset. Previously, no rockets had been launched at Israel. Until then, the rules of the game had been that Israel could launch murderous attacks anywhere in Lebanon at will, and Hizbollah would respond only within Israeli-occupied Lebanese territory.


After the murder of its leader (and his family), Hizbollah began to respond to Israeli crimes in Lebanon by rocketing northern Israel. The latter is, of course, intolerable terror, so Rabin launched an invasion that drove some 500,000 people out of their homes and killed well over 100. The merciless Israeli attacks reached as far as northern Lebanon.


In the south, 80% of the city of Tyre fled and Nabatiye was left a "ghost town," Jibshit was about 70% destroyed according to an Israeli army spokesperson, who explained that the intent was "to destroy the village completely because of its importance to the Shi'ite population of southern Lebanon." The goal was "to wipe the villages from the face of the earth and sow destruction around them," as a senior officer of the Israeli northern command described the operation.


Jibshit may have been a particular target because it was the home of Sheikh Abdul Karim Obeid, kidnapped and brought to Israel several years earlier. Obeid's home "received a direct hit from a missile," British journalist Robert Fisk reported, "although the Israelis were presumably gunning for his wife and three children." Those who had not escaped hid in terror, wrote Mark Nicholson in the Financial Times, "because any visible movement inside or outside their houses is likely to attract the attention of Israeli artillery spotters, who... were pounding their shells repeatedly and devastatingly into selected targets." Artillery shells were hitting some villages at a rate of more than 10 rounds a minute at times.


All of this received the firm support of President Bill Clinton, who understood the need to instruct the Araboushim sternly on the "rules of the game." And Rabin emerged as another grand hero and man of peace, so different from the two-legged beasts, grasshoppers, and drugged roaches.


This is only a small sample of facts that the world might find of interest in connection with the alleged responsibility of Moughniyeh for the retaliatory terrorist act in Buenos Aires.


Other charges are that Moughniyeh helped prepare Hizbollah defenses against the 2006 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, evidently an intolerable terrorist crime by the standards of "the world," which understands that the United States and its clients must face no impediments in their just terror and aggression.


The more vulgar apologists for U.S. and Israeli crimes solemnly explain that, while Arabs purposely kill people, the U.S. and Israel, being democratic societies, do not intend to do so. Their killings are just accidental ones, hence not at the level of moral depravity of their adversaries. That was, for example, the stand of Israel's High Court when it recently authorized severe collective punishment of the people of Gaza by depriving them of electricity (hence water, sewage disposal, and other such basics of civilized life).


The same line of defense is common with regard to some of Washington's past peccadilloes, like the destruction in 1998 of the al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. The attack apparently led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people, but without intent to kill them, hence not a crime on the order of intentional killing -- so we are instructed by moralists who consistently suppress the response that had already been given to these vulgar efforts at self-justification.


To repeat once again, we can distinguish three categories of crimes: murder with intent, accidental killing, and murder with foreknowledge but without specific intent. Israeli and U.S. atrocities typically fall into the third category. Thus, when Israel destroys Gaza's power supply or sets up barriers to travel in the West Bank, it does not specifically intend to murder the particular people who will die from polluted water or in ambulances that cannot reach hospitals. And when Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of the al-Shifa plant, it was obvious that it would lead to a humanitarian catastrophe. Human Rights Watch immediately informed him of this, providing details; nevertheless, he and his advisers did not intend to kill specific people among those who would inevitably die when half the pharmaceutical supplies were destroyed in a poor African country that could not replenish them.


Rather, they and their apologists regarded Africans much as we do the ants we crush while walking down a street. We are aware that it is likely to happen (if we bother to think about it), but we do not intend to kill them because they are not worthy of such consideration. Needless to say, comparable attacks by Araboushim in areas inhabited by human beings would be regarded rather differently.


If, for a moment, we can adopt the perspective of the world, we might ask which criminals are "wanted the world over."

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"Why do they hate us?"
Posted by: Crazy H on Feb 26, 2008 2:13 PM   
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That's my all-time favorite Bush quote - soon after 9/11, he asked "Why do they hate us?" in a well-covered speech.

Is he really that ignorant, or is he just toeing the line? Someone in his position should at least understand why we are so reviled, even if he believes we've got a god-given right to smite evil-doers.

I at least understand why the ditto-heads would ask such a question: they've been protected from the harsh realities of the world. They're bubbled up in their little fantasy kingdom - far from the death and destruction propagated in their name. Fed single-sided propaganda, they never bother to get another opinion, surely not an opinion of anyone outside their little bubble.

They're always so surprised when somebody bursts that bubble. To hear them talk, the world was created, all shiny new & innocent on September 10th, 2001. Then the evil-doers attacked us the very next day without any provocation whatsoever.

Wake up, sleepy little ditto-heads. Wake up or die in your sleep.

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Why does ANYONE listen to Chomsky anymore?
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Feb 26, 2008 2:24 PM   
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Especially on this topic. After all.. he is the guy who said it wouldn't even matter if 9-11 or the Kennedy assasination were done by our government.

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Bush and Cheney Are Criminals
Posted by: left_libertarian on Feb 26, 2008 3:02 PM   
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They should thanks their lucky stars that the Democratic Party hasn't the backbone to impeach and send them to prison.

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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 26, 2008 3:20 PM   
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Chomsky is one of the few willing to discuss US-Israeli atrocities without mincing words.

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State Sanctioned or Not, Murder is Still Murder
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 26, 2008 3:34 PM   
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If murder is state-sanctioned, as in the case of a country like the USA or Israel, or not sanctioned, as in the case of a terrorist group, it is still murder, isn't it? This is the problem with the so-called "war on terror." Everywhere you look, enormous hypocrisy and double-standards are keenly evident. So, although I don't approve of violent by "terrorists," I don't approve of killing by states either. Bottom line, the USA's legitimacy and authority in dealing with "the war on terror," amounts to a lot of bunk and is not legitimate. Because the USA does not practice what is preaches, she cannot be expected to be taken seriously.

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Israel-US versus the World
Posted by: thelostsailor on Feb 26, 2008 4:47 PM   
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This has been WW III for a long time.

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Will the zionist criminals exist in a few years time?
Posted by: fonn on Feb 26, 2008 8:33 PM   
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I believe there is such a thing as natural justice. If you do bad things sooner or later bad things will happen to you. Look what happened to the criminal Reagan: his brain got screwed up with Alzeimers (how do you spell this horrible disease?); Ariel Sharon still living like a vegetable in a coma; Bill Clinton put to shame by Monica Lewsenski's B.J.s, looking now like an old shit with heart problems; Tony Blair, a christian fanatic, driven out of office and reviled whereever he goes; likewise most of Bush's hoodlums, one even humiliated at the World Bank over a favour he granted his girl friend; Bush and Cheney rendered powerless, frightened of being assasinated. The list goes on. And the day is soon coming when all the zionist criminals occupying Palestine now will be rounded up and thrown into the Mediteranean sea or worse.

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Understanding Power ?
Posted by: BrianOfNairobi on Feb 27, 2008 5:17 AM   
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There is absolutely no doubt that Chomsky has a dedicated following from that section of the population fortunate enough to be university educated. Chomsky is adept at harnessing student radicalism, and does a good job of deflecting that radicalism from actually challenging the elites that run the show in the USA.

Chomsky clearly dismisses the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King and the blatantly outrageous false flag operation of 9/11 with a casual shrug of the shoulders.

Comments like "well it doesn't matter who killed Kennedy", and on 9/11 he actually said, "it doesn't matter who did it" and "who cares... it doesn't have any significance".

Chomsky runs away from 9/11 as do many of his kowtowing acolytes as that would actually entail challenging the elites who run America, as opposed to the yes-men and front-men who make up the government. It's so easy to point the finger of blame at the government... in reality it doesn't involve a lot of radicalism, merely psuedo-radicalism. A psuedo-radicalism that is designed to deflect opposition from opposing the real enemy, the power of the elites behind the career-minded individuals of government, Republican or Democrat.

Chomsky once described the task of the media as "to select the facts, or to invent them, in such a way as to render conclusions not too transparently absurd - at least for properly disciplined minds".

He practices what he accuses.

The biggest attack on the American people ( their civil and human rights) in the short history of the USA was orchestrated by those who engineered and carried out 9/11... and it wasn't a spoiled member of the bin Laden family sitting in a cave with a remote-control in his hand.

And where is Chomsky, allegedly the USA's foremost intellectual, amidst all this?

He's mumbling incoherently that "it doesn't matter".

Aye, right.

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Insanity
Posted by: FSadley on Feb 27, 2008 6:12 AM   
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I saw a good bumper sticker the other day "Eye for an eye makes everybody blind". This is a very simple way of saying the killing is insane, there is no rationale. But it will never stop, because we are all blind already.

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Canada & U.S. sign military cooperation agreement to permit 'mutual benevolent invasion' during declared emergencies

Do you get the Colorado Springs Gazette? Didn’t think so, but it was the only way you would have found out about ...
the Civil Assistance Plan, “allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation… during floods, forest fires, hurricanes, earthquakes and effects of a terrorist attack.
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Says Air Force General Gene Renuart, commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command & Northern Command based at Peterson Air Force Base, in a February 15th NORTHCOM release, “This document is a unique, bilateral military plan to align our respective national military plans to respond quickly to the other nation’s requests for military support of civil authorities.”...
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The LAST TIME the Canadian military allowed the US military on Canadian soil... was for militarized 'civil protection' at last summer's Montebello SPP Summit.

During the *same* event where unidentified, but admittedly 'police' representatives were captured on film trying to incite an excuse to call Peaceful anti-WTO/Free Trade activists
... just before they gassed us, anyway.



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Posted by: dipconsult on Feb 27, 2008 7:05 AM   
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In the vicious circle of hatred engendered by murders by insurgent groups with their bombs and states with their air power, less 'collateral' damage would be done if governments would make a distinction between national and international terrorism. The former is insurgency against perceived injustice from government or occupier of a country, and the latter is organised against international targets.

ETA, IRA, Chechen rebels, Hamas etc. belong to the former category; Al Qaeda etc. and government 'terror'(whether Iranian or American for example) fall in the latter category.
This distinction would end the present terrorist list which obliges other governments to side with governments which are facing local insurgent problems, not international terrorism, and which are probably indulging in terrorist-like repression and murders.

This is important because local insurgencies need to be treated case by case. All result from some genuine grievances which need addressing - even though that may not automatically lead to reconciliation. In such cases, instead of blind support for the government concerned, there would be openings for other governments to mediate - as the US did to good effect over the IRA.

Such distinction would leave international 'terrorism' by groups such as Al Qaeda and by governments in repsonse as a separate problem to be addressed internationally. Which means the so-called 'internationl community' considering why such violent groups get recruits and support - exactly what is it that 'that makes them hate us so'.

Knowing your enemy is the beginning of political wisdom, admitting your own faults and modifying your behaviour is the follow up. That is very difficult for governments and indeed for peoples. The grave injustices of our global world inevitably produce enemies. We need urgently to recognise them and address them, as well as taking carefully focussed action to protect ourselves.

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Terror is -----
Posted by: symcokid on Feb 27, 2008 8:50 AM   
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only what tactics and demeaning things other countries have to say about or to this US via actions such as the World Trade Center. There was no reason for it, simply out of the clear blue sky.

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» RE: Terror is ----- Posted by: 2dogarage
tit for tat
Posted by: solrev on Feb 27, 2008 8:52 AM   
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I know you rational people do not like us dual nature magical mystics, but from where we stand the listing of event after event does not teach one much unless you are trying to take a side and create an event of your own. All that you read in this article seems irrational to you but to us it is not only rational it has always been here. In the beginning when God first made the presence of I am known to humankind. The numbers who received this revelation were few. God permitted these people to follow the “law of retaliation”. The “law of retaliation” simply had survival value. Does not your theory of evolution teach you, that mutations that have survival value will be naturally selected in an ecosystem? You may have preferred that God just wave a magic wand, but the laws of the creation also apply. Jews and Muslims believe that the “law of retaliation” is an appropriate response, unfortunately lost in the space-time continuum is the knowledge of who threw the first stone. Why would God trap us in this deadly game of tit for tat, knowing how well our human nature would be at playing the game? God did not do that; God gave humankind an escape clause. When God walked on the planet as a man called Jesus, he mandated that we were to cease following the “law of retaliation”. At a key moment in the space-time continuum our human nature got the best of us. After 9-11, we did not follow the law of retaliation and kill those who killed us and we did not follow the mandate; we let some born again Christian pagan invade Iraq. We should have followed the mandate. Obviously from the list in the article that is not the first time we joined in the game of tit for tat. I wonder when the next key moment will come and will we just pass it by again? If you read this and all you hear is that I am just blaming some abstract human nature, that is unfortunate, because the laws of the creation still apply. It is our human nature that allows us to dwell in the creation by the sweat of our brow. It is our image nature that will tell us where to go. The moral of the story is this who is the best predictor of the future. We, who are on a magical mystery tour or you, who are only surrounded by irrationality, make a prediction. Terror is in the eyes of the beholder. Welcome to the revolution of 2012.

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» RE: tit for tat Posted by: Cybershaman
» First of all your premise of a god... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» RE: tit for tat Posted by: jaynna
My vote...
Posted by: Mystery Solver on Feb 27, 2008 10:19 AM   
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Chomsky for president!

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» RE: My vote... Posted by: 2dogarage
project for a new american century
Posted by: srob on Feb 27, 2008 10:35 AM   
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one party + two names= fascism

go back to sleep america, its to late to do anything. while you listen to the pundits yammer on, the plan has already been implemented. the corporations are running the show. americans are more worried about the three "G's" (guns,god and gays) than they are about the constitution. go back to sleep and when you wake up, go shopping at walmart

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"I'd like to save the world"
Posted by: willymack on Feb 27, 2008 11:23 AM   
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"But I don't know what to do, so I'll leave it up to you". Good song by Ten Years After. We've come to a sorry pass in this country during my lifetime. I've got a feeling that NOBODY here will do what's necessary to set things straight until after we've fallen and some other nation assumes world "leadership" If we're smart the second time around, we'll just let that other nation take the lumps, and do what's best for OUR people.

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Chomsky on "Why is Iraq Missing from the 2008 Presidential Race?
Posted by: fanny666 on Feb 27, 2008 2:13 PM   
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Chomsky's analysis needs to be extended
Posted by: daw13 on Feb 27, 2008 3:02 PM   
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to include some discussion concerning the feasibility (not the ethics) of U.S. policy makers' determination to create a Clash of Civilizations, their goal being to dominate nations not to spread peace and accord. This goal tends to be acceptable to U.S. citizens so long as they believe that their leaders can reasonably hope to achieve it.

Chomsky, and his colleagues -- Howard Zinn, Historians Against the War, the Z crowd -- rarely focus on this issue. Mentioning that the world now hates us is not the same as explaining in detail why this should concern us so long as the US possesses most of the world's weapons of mass destruction. The inference to be drawn is that if our leaders persist and we the people do nothing to stop them, they will indeed prevail. But this assumption, actually a highly debatable hypothesis, is never tested. The fact that Bushco exploits US vulnerability to justify creating a police state does not mean that the US is not indeed quite vulnerable.

Given our human nature, true altruistic commitment to in-group members only; predatory attitudes toward out-groupers -- thus we negotiate when we must not because we feel driven to do so, appealing to people solely on ethical grounds seems somewhat irrational in the present context. In fact, it may actually enhance the interests of those Chomsky so eloquently opposes.

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Still here I see
Posted by: ArtemInox on Feb 27, 2008 9:42 PM   
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At least have a good grin while you waste your time reading pointless articles

addictedtoaggravation

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WITHOUT VOICES, HUMANITY CANNOT ADVANCE
Posted by: freedomschild on Feb 28, 2008 12:39 AM   
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Noam Chomsky is turning on a light, where Inter- national chieftains know full well the outcome of their choices -- might we not learn something here? Something that we would most definitely prefer not be exposed in any light; but TRUTH will out...and how these people sleep,rise and appear in keeping to the Ideals they claim, knowing their actions have resulted in such egregious, immoral and violent actions, to the young and old alike, is well beyond me and with help, it shall remain so.
Never forget the debit and credit columns, the Book of Life and Death; and remember in a time will come a reckoning, a balancing of the books, so to speak. Each of us must look into our own minds and hearts; and, sadly, we cannot find deliverance from the weight of these commissions and omissions by pointing to our leaders. After all, it is we who put them there. Directly or indirectly.

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Most of the lightwieghts that oppose Chomsky do so from the far right. They are pathetic and hateful
Posted by: yellow on Feb 29, 2008 7:35 PM   
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Most of you have the cognitive abilities of a flea and are ignorant bigots besides. Very few of you crackers have ever seen the inside of a university let alone have the scientific training to make educated judgements about the cause of the WTC collapse. Most structural engineers see the NIST and 9/11 Commission Reports' scientific explainations for the WTC collapse as plausible. Most conspiracy theories are a bigotted smokescreen to scapegoat those the "Truthers" hate for the crime of 9/11.

Now with regard to GAZA and Israel. Many of you claim that Hamas was elected. True, but they were elected to a majority of the Palestine Legislative Council. Mahmood Abbas, of Fatah, is still the president of the PA. Hamas illegally siezed control of Gaza in June 2007. They exceeded, even violated their mandate as legislators and should be suppressed. They have harmed the Palestinian People. They have caused the current war. Fatah wants them suppressed because the only have support in Gaza and not the West Bank where Fatah reigns supreme. After thirty years of Israeli refusal to recognize the PLO, Israel negotiated with them. Now they are being asked to recognize Hamas. The goal posts are unfairly being moved again. Israel should only deal with Fatah. Hamas are murderous renegades for whom elections are obviously only a tactic. They don't understand or believe in Democracy. Soon the talks will restart. Hopefully Hamas will be vanquished.

Many of the posters here are virulently anti-semitic. They have openly advocated the destruction of Israel and all Jews. They have blamed Jews for all the ills in the world. Many evidently belong to white supremacist organizations and repeat their standard lines. Some just adopt mainstream anti-semitism and promote it. Most of the posters as was shown in the above debate use childish logic and indeed have little more than a child's ability to use logic. The claim that mainstream accounts try to promote the implausible explaination that mere boxcutters took down the twin towers is used by such childish "truthers" who want to twist the non-conspiracy mongering mode of reasoning on the issue. Such people clearly are motivated by hate and ignorance.

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» "explaination" and " bigotted"? Posted by: realtruther
America finished? Or America Reborn?
Posted by: FletcherChristian on Mar 2, 2008 6:58 AM   
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Should Bush, Cheney and their enablers not be charged for these Crimes??

We waste time and resources to go after baseball players who take steriods. Whom have they killed? Whose Rights have they contravened? Whose Treasure have they dissipated? Which friends have they illegally enriched at the expense of the Public Purse and the lives of young Americans while their privileged offspring get a Free Pass?

Americans are faced with a choice; you are at that divergence in the Road of History, the choice of which fork ,will determine the fall of the United States Empire, or its Rebirth as a new and just and benevolent Society.

The fisrt step in this journey of a thousand miles begins with the Criminal Prosecution of George W. Bush and Co. Each and every one of them. Or else, America would lose the remaining vestige of any Moral Authority and become irrelevant in the World.

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» RE: America finished? Or America Reborn? Posted by: left_libertarian
Chomsky forgot...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Mar 2, 2008 9:42 AM   
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...Shrub, his supporters and enablers (Democraps) are amongst the biggest terrorists.

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IT IS IMPORTANT
Posted by: oxheadone on Mar 2, 2008 4:31 PM   
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to put matters in proper historical content in order to understand Prof. Chomsky. Whatever remains of the purest leftest movement in the world is firmly anti-Israel and pro-Patistinan. Even in Demark, which acted herorically under Nazi occupation, the leftists are anti- Israel and, since most Jews in the world tend to support Israel, led to anti-semetic expressions. Prof. Chomsky is a loyal and true leftist, which means that he has to be anti-Israel. This ddoesn't mean that what he says is not a true description of various happenings. The difficulty is where you begin the history. It's a bit like the argument about whether life begins at conception. For example, Japan attacked the US militarily on Dec. 7, 1941. However, there are able historians who point out that US Pacific policy was very threatening to Japan, which was also concerned with US China policy. Thus, one may argue that the US was partially responsible for the Japanese attack. Similarly,concenring 9/11; the terrorists responsible or their lraders claim that US actions in Kuwait desecrated and soiled Arab and Islam lands and culture and that defenders of Islam had to act to make clear to the US what they were doing. However, the case of Israel is not this complicated. Israel was established out of a British mandate by UN vote. The Palistinians have a homeland; it's called Jordan. The arab neighbors of the legal state of Israel declared war on the new state and urged the arabs living in the British mandat to join in the war. They were defeated. Normally, those defeated either leave or decide to help build the new country. Because the neighboring states did not make peace and insisted on establishing 'refugee' camps, the state of war has continued, with various points of extremes. War is hell. The arabs declared the war; except for Egypt, Israel is at war with its arab neighbors and internal arab population. Leaving Gaza, so that the palistinians could build a bit of their own country, has only led to a new type of war. Imagine what almost any country in the world would do under such circumstances. What did the US dowith its Indians, the Australians with the Aboriginies, etc.? Also, let's be clear about what the Nazis did: they murdered a loyal. patriotic group who would have happily helped them win WWII, just because of their birth certificates. Defending oneself against people who say they are out to destroy you and who actively demonstrate such behavior all the time would seem reasonable. In fact, judged by world history, Israel has shown remarkable restraint in dealing with a 60 year old war against it.

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» RE: IT IS IMPORTANT Posted by: wdednam2002
» RE: IT IS IMPORTANT Posted by: oxheadone
oxheadone
Posted by: oxheadone on Mar 9, 2008 9:50 PM   
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It is also important to realize that two cousins are fighting over the family inheritance, since both groups claim descent from the Abraham of the Old Testament. There just is too little of the inheritance to make everyone happy. As unAmerican as it may be to think so, there are some problems for which there are no (good) solutions..

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