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Making Sense of Murder: AlterNet Readers Discuss the NIU Shooting

By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted February 20, 2008.


AlterNet readers had a lot to say about Mark Ames' controversial article on the recent murders at NIU. Here is a cross-section of responses.

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The shooting rampage at Northern Illinois University has prompted the customary barrage of speculation about the gunman's motives and the larger forces that made the shooting possible. All of the usual explanations are being trotted out: easy access to guns, gun-free zones, faulty medication and violence in the media.

In "Northern Ill. University: Was the Killer Crazy, or the Campus Hopeless?" Mark Ames proposes an alternative way to make sense of the tragedy. Ames argues that school and workplace violence is rooted in the economic and social problems faced by most Americans. Seemingly senseless rampages like Kazmierczak's are symptomatic of the hopelessness and dissatisfaction pervading small towns like DeKalb and schools like Northern Illinois University.

Ames' article has sparked a vigorous debate among AlterNet commenters. Many readers accuse Ames of making unfair assumptions about "second-tier" universities and glibly knocking life in "middle America." Other readers point to a culture of entitlement that sets up most Americans for disappointment. Still others bring up issues that Ames fails to address, such as a lack of adequate care for the mentally ill.

Not surprisingly, some of the most vehement objections to Ames' article come from students, staff, and alumni of Northern Illinois University.

Reader commonsense1 defends NIU as " ... a proud place with faculty that comes from many of the best businesses in the Chicago area ... " and points out that "A perusal of an NIU alumni magazine [shows] the many great things NIU graduates have done and are doing."

Timemachinist, an alumni of the graduate program in history at NIU, describes the faculty as "accomplished, stimulating, challenging, inspiring and available for one-on-one discussions. Timemachinist continues his critique of Ames by arguing that the article "mocks the satisfying and beautiful lives of [NIU] students and graduates, and apparently measures us by the same exact elitist standard it seems to blame for the deeply evil action of an individual."

Reader leebee also critisizes Ames for placing the blame on NIU. "It is with great sadness and anger that I read the scathing comments about a university I love and have wonderful memories of ... I never had an allergic reaction to the lovely cornfields, and I never smelled anything offensive." The problem, argues leebee, is a sense of student entitlement. "In too many students, there is a sense of unhealthy entitlement, a lack of commitment to learning, a disrespect for faculty, a willingness to project blame onto other people and other circumstances. Don't blame NIU. Look at who and what you are."

NIU alumnus Aquafunkapus, a "proud graduate of NIU," criticizes Ames for implying that " ... this crime was committed due to the fact that these people went to a 'crappy' college in a 'dirty' town."

Many readers not personally connected to the university also echo the sentiment that Ames is unfairly critical of so-called "second-rate" colleges. Reader Lonl states, "Everybody doesn't get to go to Harvard and Yale, yet any number of people who have not still make immense contributions." Lonl goes on to make the undeniably valid point that " ... one need only to witness our current POTUS to see how awful some grads from top-tier institutions can be."

Rwday argues that second-tier universities serve a valuable function, since "not every student has the ability or interest in attending the top colleges. Lots of students derive great satisfaction from their attendance at these schools, far more than the number who find them hopeless and wastes of money and time, and infinitely more than take a gun and start shooting."

Reader upperaccess finds that "the author has some genuine insights but loses credibility with his elitism. So the college is in a rural area where job opportunities are limited? And, horrors, there's a nearby pig farm? What, not many grads become CEOs of Fortune 500 companies? Ooh, no wonder it spawns mass murderers!"

An interesting counterpoint is provided by Heid, who argues that Ames is bringing needed attention to the unfair advantages enjoyed by elites. "Those at the top of the social hierarchy do not suffer from the same stresses. They know that they're going to have interesting work. They know that they're going to have work, in fact -- assuming they want it. They know that they have access to the best of everything, whether its jobs, clothes, food, travel, whatever. In other words, their advantages result in a lack of stress that everyone else must live with."


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Getting Treatment
Posted by: ibolyap on Feb 20, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Why are Americans so afraid of psychological treatment? All of the shooters had severe psychological issues. Being on medications does not mean that you will behave this way. Not being on medications when you should be is the primary reason why we're seeing this destruction of others and self. The psychological conditions we are hearing about are complex and require ongoing treatment and monitoring. These men did not get the appropriate treatment needed for their conditions. Having access to guns allowed them to carry out their deranged fantasies.

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» RE: Getting Treatment Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: Getting Treatment Posted by: Freethemind
» RE: Getting Treatment Posted by: Turiye
Drugs
Posted by: kegbot1 on Feb 20, 2008 5:18 AM   
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I agree with Gravitas' comments in the above story. I too struggled with commenting on this story due to the fact that I am one of the millions also on SSRIs and I know what they can do. Discount everything else that fed into this case and ask the central question: what could make an otherwise decent and normal person (according to his girlfriend and others who knew him personally) enter a classroom full of people he didn't know and start shooting.

When you think about it, the only reliable causal factor are the drugs, in this case, the Prozac he stopped taking. These drugs permanently alter your brain chemistry and we need to start understanding that we are messing around with the one human organ we understand least - the human brain.

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» RE: Drugs Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Drugs Posted by: brunowe
The right of Self-defense
Posted by: freedomlover on Feb 20, 2008 7:16 AM   
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Spend all the time you want theorizing and arguing about how someone like the shooter comes around to his actions; perhaps there is some use there. But why are peaceful people legally restricted from employing effective self-defense whenever one of these shooters starts their rampage? All of your theorizing is useless to defenseless victims at the point of attack, and most of you blindly demonize anyone who points out this fact as some kind of "gun nut".

The real mentally-ill people are the ones who continue to tout "gun-free zones", which obviously are not and never can be totally gun-free. The delusion is that you have the right to force innocent people to abdicate their own responsibility and right of self-defense. The so-called "progressive" movement has first disarmed people intellectually by training them to believe that responsibility for their very lives is rightly in the hands of the government, not their own. Then the movement has physically disarmed them through various gun-control laws.

Of course, once a person has accepted that government has a right to dispose of his life in any way that government sees fit, then it is no surprise that same person stops valuing his own life to the point that he accepts such restrictions meekly, which is really what "progressives" are after--power.

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» Practicality Posted by: suprmark
» RE: Practicality Posted by: tfinn
» RE: Practicality Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Practicality Posted by: YogiBear
» Ironic Posted by: freedomlover
» RE: Ironic Posted by: Crazy H
» I agree Posted by: freedomlover
» RE: I agree Posted by: Crazy H
Why Would a Nice Boy Shoot Up His School?
Posted by: rminor on Feb 20, 2008 7:34 AM   
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In February it was a mass shooting at another university by a “gentle, warm, sensitive” young man whom acquaintances described as a student who didn’t fit the profile of a killer. Yet, he was a male in American culture, and therefore the likely gender for workplace, school, and university mass shooters. Males commit 90% of all violence.

Twenty-seven year-old Steven Kazmierczak, who grew up in middle-class middle-America, had been an honored sociology graduate student at Northern Illinois University. After his classroom attack killing five and wounding sixteen, he completed the attack as these men often do – kill themselves or see to it that they are killed.

The mainstream media searched for numerous acceptable explanations and settled on the fact that he had stopped taking his medication with the expectation that he had just broken up with a girlfriend. Both explanations won’t threaten our underlying culture by calling for changes in what we and our institutions value.

Our culture finds actual relief in these answers. The standard responses then enforce the need for more consumption and profits – more medication, more security equipment, more prisons, and more armament purchases – without examining root causes in the system itself.

Oh, don’t forget, there usually follow proposals for stricter punishment of someone or everyone. Punishments, after all, enforce our sense that the current way of seeing things has overwhelming power behind it.

We don’t know what personal circumstances, ranging from his family upbringing to his experiences growing up male in a masculine beat-or-be-beaten culture, brought him to the conclusion that this would settle something in his life. But we can make sure that we don’t under-emphasize the part that American masculine conditioning plays in such large, and numberless smaller, tragedies.

It turns little boys into depressed, seething young men who are supposed to idolize and embody warrior-type responses. Then it turns their depression into outward attacks on others, and, at times, gun-wielding massacres.

There’s anger and rage beneath all depression, therapists tell us. But different sets of conditioning turn that inward in most women so that they beat themselves up, and outward toward others in men.

The training to be a man and to keep quiet only enforces the seething emotions. And talking about it to other men to learn that the feelings are common, is forbidden. It’s put down as girly or gay....

[For the remainder of this comment based on my book Scared Straight: The Fairness Project Blog]

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» RE: Why Would a Nice Boy Shoot Up His School? Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
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GOOD IDEA BRINGING ALL THE COMMENTS TOGETHER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 20, 2008 7:57 AM   
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Only a few thought that guns were the problem. I just read on the "What Really Happened" site that Citicorp will no longer process online credit card purchases of a gun. It previouly appeared on 1/8/08 on AccurateShooter.com. If nothing else, it gives a person time to think. It could take the company out of the list of people liable for the wrong people having guns. Well, it's something. Thanks, ANNA

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Thank You for Considering Reader Sensibilities
Posted by: Gravitas on Feb 20, 2008 8:04 AM   
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It is good to see how Alternet; unlike MSM, values their readers opinions. Especially on such an emotional issue that hit close to home for many. I just wanted to say that I got much of my information on SSRIs from the sites of Dr. Tracy Ann Blake, Phd:
http://tinyurl.com/38tbdr

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Much ado about nothing more than......
Posted by: Beepath on Feb 20, 2008 11:12 AM   
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common male violence. When men are overwhelmed they explode. Women implode. When it is implied that "people" are shooting up schools, stores, malls, etc. there is a need for gender specificity. Yes, there is that rare case of female violence and acting out but doesn't even cause a blip on the screen of male insanity. Aw, another male with mental illness, poor baby. Give him his meds, a heating pad and some Midol. A lobotomy would be nice...

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» How utterly sexist. nm Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Sofla100 and Ruby
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Feb 20, 2008 11:33 AM   
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It is people like these, who have no understanding of the constitution, who will lead this country to its ultimate destruction. Do any of these gun grabbing morons know anything about what happens to crime rates in ANY place where gun bans are instituted?

Of course not.

The facts are as clear as day, yet you still have all these morons screaming for a nazi state of disarmament. Why? How can a country function when its people have such a gaping disconnect between what they personally believe, and what the facts show? It really cant, not for very long at any rate. If people cant understand something as simple as the 2nd amendment, how in hell can they understand any of the thousand more complex issues? They cant. So they continually get raped by the elite and forced to live as peasants. We're all fighting over resources, and there is not enough to go around. So it is a case of "may the best man win." So watch your american idol and be a slave, but leave my damn constitution alone. You are free to be dumb and uninformed, and the top 1% are free to take advantage of your stupidity. THAT is and has always been what has made this country the greatest on earth.

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» RE: Sofla100 and Ruby Posted by: Romantic Violence
Another NIU Alum
Posted by: Rixblix on Feb 20, 2008 12:45 PM   
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I'm a graduate of Northern Illinois University who also grew up in the DeKalb area. My Special Education degree has netted me jobs in any market I've sought employment. NIU's Schools of Education and Business turn out top notch graduates annually. The area is rural, students know that going in. The vast majority of Illinois, and the midwest, are rural.

Bad things happen to good people. There is no 'sense' to make of this. I AM very angered at the opportunistic legislative candidates in Illinois who are using this tragedy to forward their hopes of passing conceal and carry laws.

Northern is a good school in a small town. That this tragedy happened here means that it could happen anywhere; it doesn't mean NIU is a bad school or that it's students are less than capable.

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NIU Was Not At Fault
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Feb 20, 2008 1:00 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It was nice for AlterNet readers not to put the blame squarely on the university. The university didn't cause the shooting.
But it's ironic that most school shootings have occured in smaller cities suck as DeKalb, Littleton, CO, Nickel Mines, PA, Oxnard, CA, Jonesboro, AR, Blacksburg, VA; and Holland, MI.
Yes, although DeKalb doesn't have the ambience as Chicago or Milwaukee, DeKalb is a place for those who may like the small town atmosphere. Illinois is full of small towns.
Lastly, some writers rush to get the story out without addressing the location. I'm not taking a shot at Ames. I am a writer, too. I've made lots of mistakes.
So the city and NIU will have to work hard to erase the negative image bestowed upon it by one incident.

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Tana Ganeva Doesn't Get It
Posted by: TerryS on Feb 20, 2008 10:46 PM   
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In defending Mark Ames, Tana Ganeva writes
"Ames argues that school and workplace violence
is rooted in the economic and social problems faced
by most Americans."

If indeed Mr. Ames' article had been about workplace/
school violence being rooted "in the economic and social
problems faced by most Americans." there would be no
controversy. The idea that these school shooting are a
symptom of much deeper problems is not particularly
controversial (or new).

What was so incredibly offensive about Mr. Ames'
article was the contempt and vitriol Mr. Ames heaped
upon the victims and bystanders of the shooting, the
students & faculty of NIU and even the citizens of DeKalb.

Plus to add salt to the wound, Mr. Ames argued that
"Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold set
out on a suicide mission to "kickstart a revolution."
And like many successful terrorist or insurgency
movements, they succeeded by spawning an ever-growing
supply of schoolyard killers." Ah, so now Steven Kazmierczak
is a revolutionary? His victim collateral damage in
the "struggle" to get the word out that America has
some serious social problems?

Can you imagine if Mr. Ames had been writing about
a school shooting in a minority high school with such
contempt? There is no way Alternet would print such an
article. Yet somehow it's open season on mid-westerners?
Except those mid-westerners of course, who went to
top-tier schools.

I am happy to live in the San Francisco bay area,
plus I am such a fan of Alternet that make a monthly
donation (Alternet dings my credit card), but this article
was truly disgusting and offensive. I think Alternet owes
it's readers (and supporters) a sincere apology for
publishing such trash.

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How a bout a link?
Posted by: Beastly on Feb 21, 2008 12:43 PM   
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You know, it would make a hell of a lot of sense to put a link to the Ames piece in the text of this post. Reading these comments seems pretty dumb without having read the original piece.

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Oversimplified unto inaccuracy
Posted by: JesseBC on Feb 21, 2008 5:49 PM   
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No, no, no...the summary of Ames' original article here oversimplifies it to the point of inaccuracy: "Ames argues that school and workplace violence is rooted in the economic and social problems faced by most Americans. Seemingly senseless rampages like Kazmierczak's are symptomatic of the hopelessness and dissatisfaction pervading small towns like DeKalb and schools like Northern Illinois University."

Granted the search for a new explanation that no one's yet come up with is getting a little tiresome, but, if that's all Ames had said, I could have abided it.

But, no, his point was that the NIU shooting happened because DeKalb, specifically, is a small-town shithole, which he backed up with a few anonymous students griping about their school on the internet.

This wasn't just poor journalism -- his whole premise was despicable and compounded by his failure to countenance his own role in the media dance that school shooters are counting upon.

The "Ennui in the Exurbs" angle may be a little ridiculous, but it could at least arguably be a valid point.

But the shooters have clearly caught on to the ensuing Angle-Hunt that journalists will pursue after the shooters have pulled off their bloody little stunts and they're one step ahead of the media. Seung-Hui Cho sent his manifesto straight to networks before he even finished; Kazmierczak, by contrast, left everyone guessing -- compensation perhaps for a lower body count when he was through. He even went so far as to scour his hard drive to make sure he couldn't be used as an object lesson against guns or violent video games.

Lacking any other angle, Ames latched onto, not despair among Gen Y as suggested here, but blaming the town of DeKalb itself for being (supposedly) small, dirty, and located in a corn field.

It's one thing for journalists to take up their role as the shooters' puppets (which they've leapt to do after each incident, ensuring a certain path to the headlines for any ambitious teenager with a death wish).

But Ames went one step further -- blaming the victimized town ITSELF.

Like I said before: bottom-feeding and despicable.

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Compassionate Lefties
Posted by: bessie on Feb 21, 2008 10:43 PM   
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Alter Net has chosen, now, to publish two articles which totally ignores any regard towards the victims of these crimes or the circumstances involved except to examine the generic explanations while ignoring the snarky, ignorant, and offensive attitude of their first article which was written by a guy named Ames who lives in Russia via California. That might be okay, and I'm very much in favor of freedom of speech, but I think most progressives demand much more from their sources of information. Of course, people from the Midwest or NIU will be the ones to talk about their positive experiences. Who else will talk about this? That's hardly any excuse to dismiss the lack of compassion in regards to life. The wierd idea that mental illness is somehow revolutionary and then combined with flat land or not being 'elite' equals senseless violence is beyond belief. And then that Alter Net would not understand that the controversy is just this, is totally stunning. You owe your readers an apology and you owe the fallen students of NIU much more. You owe them some compassion and some effort towards understanding who they were and what they were about. One victim laid himself over his girlfriend so she wouldn't get shot. He died. Stuff like that - compassionate types should be talking about. Not the garbage spewed out by so called elite lefties as their clocks run out. This all flies in the face of us all as a society and I hope that there's some explanation from Alter Net for all of this, otherwise, I will no longer visit or contribute. I was hoping otherwise.

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The Truth Hurts
Posted by: ah2323 on Feb 22, 2008 8:32 AM   
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...judging by the comments from people associated with NIU. I didn't attend NIU, but I did graduate from a very similar institution. The description was so true to my own experience that I have to assume it's substantially accurate. Places like NIU only exist so that the Powers That Be can convince the masses of suckers and lemmings in the Great Flyover that they're getting something vaguely equivalent to what the elites get at Yale, Cornell, Harvard, or the better public institutions.

Really, anyone with a degree from NIU or its sibling institutions is only slightly better off than a HS graduate, and people with credentials from *real* universities do not consider them (or should I say us) equals in any sense. Nor should they, really. Places like NIU are completely devoid of intellectuality or even the most rudimentary sense of intellectual adventure or curiosity. That's not why they're there. They're there to provide the next generation of sheeple and cubicle fodder to Moloch (I hear the big M's a Bonesman, BTW).

The comment by one person that NIU draws its faculty from the "best businesses in Chicago" is revealing. NIU is a vocational school, and not a very good one, largely due to the fact that it insists on posing as a university. That is all.

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AlterNet needs to reread Mission Statement and apologize to Readers
Posted by: Northern Illinois grad. on Feb 22, 2008 6:17 PM   
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AlterNet.org and Mr. Mark Ames have violated the tenets of journalistic integrity with the publication of "Northern Illinois University: Was the Killer Crazy or the Campus Hopeless?"

It is astonishing that AlterNet went forward with such an abrasive, insulting tirade lacking in the basics taught in Journalism 101. Mr. Ames, writing from Moscow, Russia, never set foot on NIU soil, did not interview a single soul involved in the tragedy, appears to be lacking in any knowledge of the Midwest, or even of Chicago (DeKalb, Illinois is a far western suburb). Yet, all of this did not stop Mr. Ames from writing a seething indictment of an entire region of the US or AlterNet for running with it less than 48 hours after the murders.

Moreover, Mr. Ames used unsubstantiated quotes full of slander/libel against NIU and DeKalb and then proceeded to add his own arrogant misinformation and plug his book. Since the quotes were all anonymous, Mr. Ames has no idea who he is quoting.

As a practicing journalist, I cannot help but wonder how AlterNet and Mr. Ames can stand behind this article. The day it appeared I wrote to AlterNet and requested that they run an apology/correction and I see that none is forthcoming in spite of mine and many other complaints. Instead, they ignored the complaints and negative comments about the piece and congratulated themselves for provoking so much controversy and wrote a second article of very cherry-picked reader comments!

I'm calling on AlterNet to respond to these points immediately. Or perhaps they are waiting to hear from the staff attorneys from NIU and the City of DeKalb.

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The Truth Hurts?
Posted by: bessie on Feb 22, 2008 11:25 PM   
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To the writer of "The Truth Hurts"

I have looked at your comments and don’t like to make knee jerk reactions. I could be offended since I hold two degrees from NIU. I have been a teacher, social worker, truck driver, laborer, bartender, and I am a lawyer. I am sure you could find fault in all of those professions, but you have not dared to tell us where you went to school and what your profession (?) might be. But of course, since you went to a school like (?) NIU,then you argue that you cannot possibly be happy. Many graduates of NIU, have found various types of success, unless they are snobs like Mark Ames or folks like you who apparently are unhappy with their career. We can't all be CEOs. We can live with neighbors who all work for a living.
I think you should reexamine your views and respect the folks at NIU. Remember this is not about NIU, but about a mentally ill former student, medicated with a cocktail of drugs.

This article by Mark Ames promotes his theory that this is an insurgency, that started at Columbine. Do you think that Steve K followed in their footsteps with this insurgency?
You haven't addressed this issue, which is the point of his article.

Your comment blames the victims for attending NIU. A school that graduates lawyers, accountants, teachers, engineers, and successful business grads. Are the lives of those who attend the upper echelon schools so much better?

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The Dark side of DeKalb
Posted by: Desertnomad1 on Feb 23, 2008 10:35 PM   
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I don't know that anyone's murderous rampage can be neatly attributed to any single cause; there are so many variables involved. The shooter was not currently living in the area, nor was he a student at NIU any longer, so for me the argument loses some credibility; yet I'm completely intrigued by the picture of the DeKalb area that's presented in this piece. I lived there for over 25 years, unfortunately, and much of this article completely validates my own experience there.
Moving there in the early 80's from the Chicago 'burbs was like entering a time warp - stunted attitudes, pervasive sexual harassment in the workplace, isolated, insulated, and all the natives seemed to be related to each other. Perhaps part of the problem is that they are stuck in the middle of endless cornfields, and it's at least 20 miles in any direction to reach civilization. There's a railroad track that cuts directly through the heart of the downtown(using the term quite loosely)area, and it's rather infamous for the suicides it enables. It is unquestionably ugly, I found it quite depressing, and I did run into some of the nastiest people ever. Don't honk at anyone ever while driving, not for any reason; I was followed, harassed and threatened and these were all separate incidents! Look, I'm a mother and a grandmother; my youngest child is 23 - he was born and raised in that hell hole of a town and so many of his classmates are dead or in prison that I feel like he might have been raised in the inner city. Mostly drug overdoses, but also a shooting, a homicide; we have acquaintances whose 27 year old son disappeared from one of the many bars a year ago, rumor has it that he's buried in one of the local's yards. It's just incredible to me that this small Midwestern town seethes beneath the surface with this violence and despair. All of the "town founders", the former movers and shakers in industry that used to exist there, the social hierarchy, all have 2nd homes elsewhere and exit the area upon retirement, as we were fortunate enough to do. My husband thinks I'm nuts, that "bad stuff happens everywhere", but I think, we shouldn't know so many dead kids, so many kids in and out of jail, in and out of rehab, so much apparent despair. I couldn't wait to escape the soulsickness I felt so strongly there.

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» RE: The Dark side of DeKalb Posted by: JesseBC
Once again the mix is not the message
Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 24, 2008 12:56 AM   
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I see you provided no counterpoint for those who believe the shooting was a result of "America's lax gun laws." By the way, are you saying that's what they said, or are you stating that as a matter of fact?

Some of us believe that the reason campus shootings are increasing is because people who go pyscho see the campus classroom as a "safe" place, safe for them to enact their rampage without challenge. Our society is full of psychos who act out and who kill, but we don't need to bring that up in out blame the gun industry game.

Guns make it easier to kill, that's a fact. But criminals -- including some a few cylinders short -- tend to avoid confrontations with people they suspect might be armed. This is also a fact. So, as we create more "safe" places for people to be, we're also creating more killboxes for the unhinged to take advantage of.

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Ames' modest proposal?
Posted by: JesseBC on Feb 25, 2008 3:41 AM   
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It occurs to me that, looked at it in a way the author certainly never intended, there's something grotesquely Swiftian about Ames' theory.

Taken to its logical conclusion, the next time one of these shootings occurs, perhaps we should look at whether it was the fault of the kids who got shot.

The "outcast theory" hasn't been wrung completely dry yet. Maybe it's not the shooters who are outcasts, but the victims themselves. Their own fault for not being popular enough.

Or maybe we should examine whether it's their own fault for not being quick enough to get out of the way of a bullet.

(You're horrified, I can tell, but it's what plenty of people said about the victims of Hurricane Katrina.)

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