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Hillary Clinton Is Down But Not Out

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted February 11, 2008.


As Barack Obama wins five weekend contests, Hillary Clinton reorganizes and plans for the Texas, Ohio, and Penn. primaries.

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The race to the Democratic nomination has hit a turning point. As Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) won five contests this weekend -- Maine, Washington, Louisiana, Nebraska and the Virgin Islands -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) reshuffled her staff, replacing campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle with longtime aid Maggie Williams.

Obama won Maine's caucus on Sunday 59 percent to 40 percent for Clinton. On Saturday, he won Washington's caucus 68 percent to 31 percent for Clinton. He won the Nebraska caucus 68 percent to 32 percent for Clinton. He won Louisiana's primary 57 percent to 36 percent for Clinton. And he won the Virgin Islands caucus 90 percent to 7 percent for Clinton. All these contests had approximately 455,000 voters participating.

The Obama campaign is on a roll. In contrast, the Clinton campaign is down, but hardly out. According to the Obama campaign, it now leads in delegates, 1,030 to 946 for Clinton. But other sources, such as "Democratic Convention Watch, a website, say Clinton continues to lead with 1,108 delegates, compared to 1,063 for Obama. To win the nomination, 2,025 delegates are needed.

No matter who is winning the delegate count, what is clear is the Democratic presidential race is moving into uncharted territory, with the biggest question being can Clinton emerge weeks from now as the nominee if she wins the three last big states: Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania? Ohio and Texas vote on March 4.

The race to the Democratic nomination was supposed to be over by now. At least that is what Hillary Clinton's campaign assumed going into Super Tuesday. The resignation of her campaign manager is a signal that the campaign's early assumptions did not play out. But now, as Barack Obama begins a month where he is winning and is expected to win most small-state contests, the question is can the Clinton campaign rebuild and recover before those big state votes. In part, that transition is already underway.

Days before Super Tuesday', Clinton retooled her stump speech. This weekend in Virginia, which votes with three other states on Tuesday, she drew on that new pitch speaking passionately about the "genius of our constitution ... that was crafted to expand as our hearts do, allowing each generation to reach a more perfect union." This is a notable softening of her tone and a departure from earlier speeches that often were heavy with policy prescriptions. While Obama's speeches have lacked specifics compared to Clinton, she has struggled to match his inspirational tone. She may have found a balance.

Still, political perceptions can be cruel. There is no doubt it hurts the Clinton campaign to see headlines that Obama swept Saturday's contests in Washington, Louisiana, Nebraska and the Virgin Islands and Sunday's caucus in Maine. Those come after other painful news that she personally lent her campaign $5 million, that some staffers were not getting paid and her campaign manager's resignation. The next locales to vote are Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C., whose elections are on Tuesday. News organizations such as The New York Times say Obama has an edge in these contests.

Well-connected and perhaps cynical sources in the Clinton camp said these races hardly matter, because she can win the nomination on or after March 4 when the remaining big states vote. The Clinton campaign no doubt takes comfort in the demographics of Ohio and Pennsylvania, both large industrial states, and Texas, with its large Latino population. After all, she won California, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, precedents that cannot be ignored.

But 2008 has been a season that has been unkind to predictions. Across the political aisle, Rudy Giuliani bet he could skip the early contests and rebound a month later in Florida, which John McCain won, pushing Rudy out of the race. It remains to be seen if Clinton can keep campaigning hard for another month - as Obama grabs the headlines -- and come out on top. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has shown she is a very tough and enduring candidate.

The next month may not be smooth sailing for Obama either. While his recent caucus wins in Washington, Nebraska, Maine and several Super Tuesday states just days before show a grassroots operation that Democratic Party officials cannot fail to notice, it remains to be seen how party stalwarts will react to this powerful new force. One fifth of those voting at the Democratic National Convention are so-called super delegates, a mix of Democratic National Committee members, elected federal and state office holders, party officials, donors and other luminaries. Clinton and Obama have launched campaigns within their campaigns to get pledges from these delegates. While the Obama campaign has been touting its progress, Clinton has had an edge because of lingering ties from Bill Clinton's presidency.


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Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet.org and co-author of "What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election," with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (The New Press, 2006).

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HR 676
Posted by: jacksmith on Feb 11, 2008 2:08 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bottom Line:

It looks like you got some vote fraud hankypanky, and selling of votes going on in the democratic caucuses. Obama seems to be doing disproportionately well in the caucuses where it is easier to commit vote fraud, and sell votes. Obama has not been doing as well in the non caucus primary's where you can't cheat the vote as easily.

I smell a pole cat. I smell the Karl Rove vote fraud machine at work. This looks like past presidential elections where most voters leaving the poles said they voted for the other guy. But Bush still won. No wonder Obama thinks the republicans have some good ideas. Apparently a lot of republicans are voting for Obama in the democratic caucuses.

The insurance companies, and medical industry that have been ripping you off, and killing you are determined to keep you, the American people from having good universal health care. So it seems they are supporting Obama. Along with the republican vote fraud machine.

This looks like a great story for a team of aggressive investigative reporters. Or maybe some good documentary film makers like Michael Moore, or Oliver Stone.

If I were the Clinton's, I would focus like a laser bean on what has been going on in the democratic caucuses. No wonder the Republicans like Obama so much. Looks like he's their man in the democratic caucuses.

I'm absolutely convinced now that Hillary Clinton is your best choice for good universal health care coverage. And HR 676 (Medicare For All). "Single payer, Tax Supported, Not For Profit, True Universal Health Care" free for all as a right. Like every other developed country in the world has. See: http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676.htm

“HR 676:
For church goers: less money to insur. companies and more to the church- lots more.
Srs on Medicare: save way over $100/wk. Because no more medigap, long term care & dental insur. needed. No more drug bills.”

They really think you are all stupid, inattentive cash cows... It may be time to bring back Bad Bill.

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» RE: HR 676 Posted by: bowriter
» RE: HR 676 Posted by: solrev
» RE: HR 676 Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: HR 676 Posted by: g50
» RE: HR 676 Posted by: g50
» STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES Posted by: jmooney
» RE: HR 676 Posted by: nebgirl
» Looks like Change to me! Posted by: philonthehill
Missing Edwards
Posted by: Tom Degan on Feb 11, 2008 4:12 AM   
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What about John Edwards as a comprimise candidate? I realize that a brokered convention is a long shot - but it has to be said that the Dems missed a good thing when they gave Edwards the heave-ho. He seems to have been the only candidate among the final three who remembered that he was the political heir of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Whoever gets the nomination, Obama or Clinton, the Democrats are making a bold move by nominating either one of them. Maybe that's a good thing. Could that party now be diplaying some long, lost courage? Or is it merely foolhardiness? Time will tell.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
The Shuster Affair

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» RE: Missing Edwards Posted by: willymack
» RE: Missing Edwards Posted by: kimbari
» RE: Missing Edwards Posted by: Longdream
Paine from the Left
Posted by: shorewood on Feb 11, 2008 4:17 AM   
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this is the best synopsis of the campaign that I have read.

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Obama's surprise victories
Posted by: xvictor on Feb 11, 2008 5:59 AM   
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I'm astonished that Obama won the recent states. Perhaps it was Senator Clinton's pro-war stance and her vote for the so-called Patriot act that's getting the best of her. A real shame. However, that certainly makes McCain look ever more distant and remote.

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» RE: Obama's surprise victories Posted by: bowriter
Nebraska farmer--participant in the Nebraska caucus
Posted by: zooeyhall on Feb 11, 2008 6:30 AM   
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I am a farmer in Nebraska, where I attended the local caucus for Platte County. The county I live in is largely agricultural, and the largest community is 20,000. To my surprise, we went almost 70% for Obama. It was somewhat surprising to see all these farmers standing around in their overalls and farm caps, moving to the Obama side of the room. Despite the Clinton people's best efforts, their pitch generated a surprising amount of skepticism. Like one person told me, its sort of like listening to a salesman trying to sell a lemon tractor that has been making the rounds of the farm sales for several years.

Talking to people, I am aware of a tremendous ground shift that has ocurred out here in the reddest of the red states. Some of it has to do with the Iraq war, but the largest part has to do with the economy and the awareness of growing economic inequality. Several large manufacturing plants around here moved to Mexico in the early 2000's, and alot of it is blamed on NAFTA. Hillary is largely seen as "Bill Clinton redux". As one person put it "he was president for two terms--he doesn't need another".

One thing about living in a rural county like this, you really know the people. Most of the Clinton supporters were upper middle class, older, and also quite wealthy. Also the Clinton caucus people seemed to be preachy and domineering, and seemed to have a barely concealed attitude of contempt for the "rabble" working class in my county. Quite a few of them were the larger business and factory owners in my area.

The Obama people were enthusiastic and positive. Many of them---maybe the majority--were under 25 and their enthusiasm and positivism had a real effect on people. I really think that the election of 2008 will be decided by the younger voters.

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» Sorry! Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Sorry! Posted by: Longdream
» some additional reflections Posted by: zooeyhall
Cash Cash Cash Give me the Cash to win
Posted by: flymulla on Feb 11, 2008 7:20 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
News analysis: top story
The Democrats
Obama has the momentum
Feb 11th 2008
From Economist.com
Barack Obama piles up victories; Hillary Clinton drops her campaign manager
Sir
I think we draw conclusions very fast like children who are offered two flavours of ice cones, strawberry and vanilla. Once we looked at the manpower as the driving force and created a separate entity in the corporation. We wanted to show the employees and the stakeholders that we had the separate entity in the us .We cared. We wanted like the Japanese entities to show the new culture we have. We cared about the families. We called this, The Personnel Department, a strictly employees befit. That looked too miniature so we renamed this as Human Recourses Management to give a new dimension to the caring for the employees, a separate department more powerful then Personnel Dept as the name department is too dilute!
The power packed definition of Humans Resources replaced the world telling the employees they were now in the more powerful research more powerful then the ordinary men’s centres. Hence the Human Research.
Next we quibble over the same on the working of this. Is it really that bad to have the employees looked after a controversial? A bureaucratic move? Red tapes?
I see no extra costs on having this in the corporation having this small department. Take this out who will look after the humans? The PA? The COO? CEO?
Now we have the to be president who Feb 6 2008 5:11PM EST Clinton, Short of Cash, Taps Her Own Coffers Clinton said during a press conference Wednesday that she loaned her campaign $5 million. "I believe the campaign would have a great month fundraising in January," she said. "We intended to be competitive and we were..." THEY HAVE "VOLUNTARILY CHOSEN TO WORK WITHOUT PAY THIS MONTH" AS PART OF CLINTON CASH CRUNCH AGAINST OBAMA MOOLA FACTORY… “Hillary and Bill Clinton are not nearly as wealthy as, say, Mitt Romney, but her recent $5 million emergency loan to her own presidential campaign has made one thing clear: the Clintons are doing just fine, thanks. Other matters related to the loan are less clear. For starters, where did Hillary Clinton find the cash? Her aides were reluctant to provide details. In e-mail responses to NEWSWEEK, campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson wrote that she “didn’t borrow any money” and noted that she “has made considerably more than” $5 million from her 2003 memoir, “Living History.” The loan itself, Wolfson wrote, “came from Senator Clinton’s [50 percent] share” of joint resources with her husband.
Hillary Clinton drops her campaign manager
So this is new? No.. The manager should have left before and as soon as he found out that the cash was becoming a wee difficult.
I thank you.
Firozali A. Mulla MBA PhD
P.O.Box 6044
Dar-Es-Salaam
Tanzania
East Africa

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THE JENA 6
Posted by: bbfmail on Feb 11, 2008 7:22 AM   
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THE MARCH FOR THE JENA 6


People began massing for the demonstrations before dawn Thursday, jamming the two-lane highway leading into town and parking wherever they could. State police estimated the crowd at 15,000 to 20,000. Organizers said they believe it drew as many as 50,000.

Not one of them was named Obama

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» RE: THE JENA 6 Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: THE JENA 6 Posted by: Longdream
HILLARY CLINTON STARTED AT THE TOP
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 11, 2008 7:47 AM   
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In Order for Obama to compete and gain in the polls , Clinton had no where to go but down. If this hadn't happened there would be no competition. Now we have a race and a good one.They were tie for a while and Obama will probable pull ahead a litte. Hillary is not down for the count. Neither candidate has resorted to trashing the other, they are staying with issues. This is the way it should be. Thanks, ANNA

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Malayiah
Posted by: Suzan on Feb 11, 2008 8:01 AM   
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Everything surrounding Jenna 6 is a reflection of so much of what is wrong with us (racism, overreacting, the justice system, mean spiritedness). It is the old paradigm of black pitted against white for the sake of pitting black against white.

Get with the program; the new paradigm is Tiger Woods who upon hearing what the old paradigm would call a racist sentence said “just forget it; she meant nothing mean”. Tiger is a class act, as is Obama.

Crawl out of the old destructive paradigm and be renewed. Instead of always looking at the half empty glass, jump in and see how good it feels to go the half full route.

YES YOU CAN!

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» RE: Malayiah Posted by: Knot_Rich
Is it my imagination
Posted by: willymack on Feb 11, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Or is there something fishy about the fact that the election process started a year EARILER than usual? Who's behind this, and for what purpose? It sure as hell isn"t US in my estimation. You think maybe the rethugs, knowing how unpopular they are, think they need the extra time to falsify yet another "election"?

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» RE: Is it my imagination Posted by: Knot_Rich
HR 676 (the Poster) is way off....
Posted by: Fencerider on Feb 11, 2008 9:04 AM   
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Man.... When will this end. Obama is akin to Karl Rove? God HR 676, you sound paranoid. All these things you accuse Obama of, Hillary is guilty as sin. Caucus cheating? How do you do that. I attended mine here in Colorado, and how do you cheat body counts when everyone is in the same room, counting the same way? I think you are projecting your own fears here, and PS....Obama isn't the enemy. We need to understand that we will most likely be endorsing whichever Dem wins the nomination, and focus on what's really important....getting someone other than the GOP in the Whitehouse. Oh, and by the way.... What's a laser "bean"?

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the biggest question
Posted by: nicR on Feb 11, 2008 10:47 AM   
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"The Democratic presidential race is moving into uncharted territory, with the biggest question being can Clinton emerge weeks from now as the nominee if she wins the three last big states: Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania? Ohio and Texas vote on March 4."

That's not the biggest question...unless you are clearly hoping for a Clinton victory...but I thought Alternet was more objective than that...

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Clinton isn't really "down" at all.
Posted by: MobileSucks on Feb 11, 2008 2:41 PM   
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ALEXANDER COCKBURN
and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
"Barack Obama and his supporters are exuberant after their victories this last weekend in the Washington and Nebraska precinct caucuses, in the Louisiana primary and the Maine municipal caucus. But they would do well to remember that since the mid-1970s the Democratic National Committee has spent countless hours plowing firebreaks between expressions of the popular will in such caucus and primary votes and the ultimate selection of the nominee.

Take Alabama. On February 5, Super Tuesday, Obama won that primary in convincing fashion by a margin of nearly 20 points. But when the dust settled, he and Hillary Clinton ended up with an equal number of pledged delegates from the state. Why? The delegates were proportioned according to the votes in the state's 7 congressional districts and like all such political real estate in the USA, these districts have been gerrymandered to corral the black vote in as small a number of districts as possible. Result, Obama won 83 per cent of the black vote, but the those numbers were concentrated in two or three districts so even though Obama ran up 70-30 triumphs and Hillary battled to 55 to 45 margins of victory, the count at the end of the day gave them the same number of delegates each.

Another firebreak is the follow-on in many states, from caucus to state convention. The current pattern is that Obamian enthusiasts go the caucuses and delivery fiery speeches about their man and his dream of change, rack up a substantial victory and head back to campus, aglow with victory. But then the party regulars regroup, the labor organizers confer, and the party establishment strikes back at the state convention, where those delegates pledged at the caucus are "authorized" in a series of backroom deals.

Gary Hart learned this the hard way in 1984. Hart had won his political spurs in a famous mutiny of the Democratic base, when Hart managed George McGovern's successful drive to the nomination in 1972. In the early states of the 1984 campaign Hart won a dramatic victory by ten points over Walter Mondale in New Hampshire. Short on money, Hart then aimed, exactly like Obama, at the caucuses to show momentum. After Super Tuesday, Mondale and Hart were neck and neck. Then Hart cleaned up in the caucuses, just as Obama is now doing. The two split the big states. Mondale won New York and Pennsylvania. Hart won Ohio and California. Then, in the weeks before the Democratic Party convention Mondale and the Democratic Party machine went into action at the various state conventions. Hart watched aghast as his hard-won delegates melted back into the smoke-filled rooms and emerged with Mondale buttons on their lapels. The coup de grace came with Mondale's efficient capture of the Super Delegates, who went to him almost en bloc."

(-the rest at the excellent counterpunch.org website)

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Democrats
Posted by: Etherplain on Feb 11, 2008 3:10 PM   
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I find some of the back n forth here very disturbing. For those of you who are beating up on eachother over Hillary or Obama, please remember that you're on the same side (unless of course your a republican).

The fact of the matter is that right now, no matter how you slice it, the candidates are in a dead-heat and it doesn't look like it's even possible for either camp to get the # of delegates needed to clinch the nomination. Let's respect the fact that these two candidates are equal. If you support one, try to listen to the supporters of the other. This is important moving into the general election. If we divide, they conquer.

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» Thank God! & a little truth! Posted by: Verjenie
» RE: Thank God! & a little truth! Posted by: Prairie Waif
The two trick pony?
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Feb 11, 2008 5:21 PM   
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Change and hope, change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope,change and hope

What the hell else does Obama stand for. How will he deliver on change and hope,change and hope,change and hope? You can't eat change and hope. You can't pay medical bills with change and hope.

Details Mr. Obama, details, more details. Stop blowing smoke up our asses and tell us exactly what you will actually accomplish IF elected President.

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American Sleaze!
Posted by: sumwoman on Feb 11, 2008 7:22 PM   
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Is this video a smear job or did this really happen?!!!

Shock Video about Billary Clinton's Dark Side!

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Hillary is the only one tough enough to fight back
Posted by: thumber77 on Feb 11, 2008 9:29 PM   
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Bill Clinton was the only Democrat to be elected in the past 32 years because he was the only one who was ready for the Republican sleaze attack. He knew where they would attack him and he had the answers ready. Hillary is just as tough and will not let the swift boater sleaze balls get away with it. John Kerry thought 'the American people are too smart to believe that swift boat stuff,' didn't fight back and was defeated. Otherwise, he would be President today. Barack Obama is inspirational and progressive, but can't even answer Hillary's attacks, and this is nursery school compared to what they will get from the 'independent' Republican groups. I don't want to look good losing AGAIN. The country cannot stand 4 more years of Republicans.

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Hillary, the Warrior
Posted by: herbal on Feb 11, 2008 10:32 PM   
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74% of Democrats think that Hillary Clinton has pledged to end US occupation of Iraq within one year, acccording to he current issue of the Harper's Index. Of course, the truth is that she has pledged to end it by 2013!

In fact, she is the most outspoken person in the Senate advocating war in Iran. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVWagtd8uwM

She is clearly threatening nuclear attack on Iran at the behest of Israel's right wing.

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Protest the super delegates
Posted by: bloosqr on Feb 12, 2008 11:15 AM   
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The issue of super delegates and the democratic party is unconscionable. Currently Obama is ahead in the popular vote and behind in the delegate vote. We can not have 800 party insiders decide the primaries for us! I have created a protest page here

http://www.popularprimaryvotenow.com

If you think this is an issue please add a comment to the protest page of the website. I will print out all the comments and give them to the Democratic party

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Looks like change to me!
Posted by: philonthehill on Feb 12, 2008 12:44 PM   
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I am not convinced that Obama could possibly be so shrewed (in the sense Washington shrewed...misleading and lying)enough to be speaking out of one side of his mouth for change then using typical Washington tactics of voter fraud. Do you think that his stump speach for change is false? I'm sad that caucuses and primaries are now deciding on the candidates long before the conventions and that sickening sums of money are spent on them. Why is it that America doesn't have a universal health care or an educational system where you have to go into debt for years to get a degree from most universities and colleges? (this is Washington as usual) When I see Hillary scrambling for money and having to make major shake-ups right now in her campaigne strategy but Obama is still raising money quite well and has been able to keep his campaigne together, it seems like his ideas for change, and for such a novice and inexperienced Presidential candidate,could easily rival Hillary's bid.

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I can live with my choice
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Feb 13, 2008 2:55 AM   
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As an independent, I have gone from desperately wanting Al Gore to supporting John Edwards and then was faced with an Obama vs. Clinton vs. McCain decision.

My thoughts that have evolved about each candidate:

I'm sick of Clinton's always 'borrowing' whatever buzzwords or phrases that Obama uses in his speeches rather than her coming up with her own ideas - lack of creativity or originality? (Now McCain is beginning to use this tactic). I'm further becoming sick of listening to Hilary's voice and laugh, which has been toned down a little but really is beginning to grate on my nerves for no discernible reason. I'm also tired of Billary constantly saying they have been 'tested' during difficult times. Hell, if they didn't have so much negative baggage, they wouldn't have faced so much acrimonious censure. I'm also sick of Clinton's campaign saying that women, especially older women, are all supporting Clinton - that is absolutely untrue - I know many older women supporting Obama and I'm sure there are younger women supporting Hillary. Finally, I can't believe that Clinton so overreacted to the David Shuster comment about Chelsea - I just don't see it, but she is spending so much time whining and crying foul about everything that she has pretty much lost my respect - she swears she can handle the heat, but her actions and words tell us otherwise. She's far too busy trying to act like an authoritarian male to make me respect her as a female candidate, which I thought I would do as an ardent female rights' advocate.

Obama has begun to seriously interest me because he represents what I believe might be a diplomatic compromise position, capable of looking at all sides of an issue and being a successful negotiator with the world community. He has detailed his positions very clearly on his website and perhaps is saving more specifics for future debates - he will certainly be given the opportunity and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I can say without question, however, that living overseas has certainly given me a larger picture as to how Europeans view our country and we need someone who is capable of mending fences - and soon. I am beginning to believe that person is Obama - he comes closer to my ideal of Gore and Edwards than polarizing, hardline Hillary, who like McCain, seems to view herself as an authoritarian figure who is My way or the highway.

McCain is beginning to make me drown in disgust.He represents to me that stern, unforgiving authority figure who has a bad temper, is inflexible, stubborn, and a sellout. If I hear one more "My friends...," I think I will puke. Is this guy turning mental or has he been for years? As I've tried to watch him objectively, I realize more and more that he has morphed into the Bush machine and that's an absolute no-no. And his new best friend Joe Lieberman is enough to finish it off - I consider Lieberman to be a traitor to the Democratic Party and an affront to intelligent people everywhere.

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