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Latest Anti-Pot Quack Science: 'Marijuana Makes Your Teeth Fall Out'

By Bruce Mirken, AlterNet. Posted February 9, 2008.


A rash of new studies of marijuana has hit the mass media, generating absurd headlines like "Smoking Pot Rots Your Gums."

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Recent weeks have seen a rash of new studies of marijuana hitting the mass media, generating scary headlines like "Smoking Pot Rots Your Gums," "Cannabis Bigger Cancer Risk Than Cigarettes" and "Pot Withdrawal Similar to Quitting Cigarettes. Most of this coverage can be boiled down to a fairly simple equation:

Flawed science + uncritical reporting = misinformation.

Mercifully, the U.S. mass media were so distracted by Super Tuesday, Heath Ledger's autopsy and the latest Britney Spears trauma that reports of these studies didn't get as much play as they might have. That's good, because the research had significant gaps, and the reporting ranged from slapdash to flat wretched.

Lung cancer: One joint = 20 cigarettes?

The lung cancer study was the scariest. Since cigarettes are a known lung cancer risk, it seems plausible that marijuana might carry similar risks. In fact, most of the scientific evidence tends in the opposite direction -- though one would never know it from reading either the study or the Reuters wire story that got the heaviest circulation.

Conducted in New Zealand, this was what is called a "case-control" study, in which researchers looked at a group of patients who had lung cancer and compared them to a group without cancer -- the controls -- matched for age and other demographics. All were asked about various factors that might increase their lung cancer risk, including smoking cigarettes or marijuana. After running the data on 79 cancer cases and 324 controls through myriad equations and mathematical analyses, the researchers proclaimed that one joint packed a cancer risk roughly equal to 20 cigarettes -- an assertion that became Reuters' lead.

What was downplayed in the study, published in the European Respiratory Journal, and missing entirely from most media reports was context -- context that strongly suggests that its alarming conclusion is wrong.

For one thing, the new conflicts with other, much larger studies. In a study published in 1997, Kaiser-Permanente researchers followed 65,000 patients for 10 years and saw no sign of marijuana use increasing the risk of lung cancer or other smoking-related cancers. And a UCLA study similar in design to this one, published in 2006, found a trend toward lower lung cancer rates among marijuana smokers. Instead of 79 cancer cases, the UCLA team looked at 1,212. The result was so striking that they speculated that it "may reflect a protective effect of marijuana."

That's right: Marijuana might protect from cancer. Piles of published studies going back to the mid-1970s document the cancer-fighting properties of marijuana's active components, THC and other chemicals called cannabinoids. Anticancer activity has been shown in many types of malignant cells, including lung cancer cells. So even though marijuana smoke contains tars and other potentially carcinogenic compounds, it is entirely plausible that cannabinoids counter any harmful effects.

But even without such context, a closer look at the New Zealand data raises questions that should have been asked by reporters. For example, most marijuana smokers in the study actually didn't show an increased risk of cancer. The only group that did was those whose marijuana use equaled at least 10.5 "joint-years" (one joint-year equals smoking a joint every day for one year). That group constituted a whopping 14 people. All those complicated mathematical models leading to the "20 times the risk" assertion, and contradicting reams of published research, rest on exactly 14 people.

Does marijuana rot your gums?

The gum disease study was even more tenuous, but again you would never know it from most of the coverage. Researchers -- also in New Zealand -- followed 903 participants from birth through age 32. At ages 18, 21, 26 and 32, they were asked whether they had used marijuana in the past year, and how often. The heaviest marijuana users had a 60 percent increased risk for gum disease after controlling for several factors that might affect their risk, including cigarette use and professional dental care.

The researchers were careful to say they hadn't proved cause and effect, but simply what scientists called an "association." But that didn't stop one U.S. reporter from writing that marijuana "could ... destroy gum tissue" and an Australian headline writer from declaring that marijuana "makes teeth fall out."

Reading the actual study -- something one suspects most reporters never did -- raises questions the media never asked. Why is there no indication that participants were questioned about use of alcohol or other illicit drugs, both of which are known risk factors for dental and gum problems? Why were they not asked about brushing and flossing habits?

Given the relatively small effect -- the statistical margin of error meant that the increased risk could be as low as 16 percent -- confounding by alcohol/drug use or poor dental hygiene could easily explain the whole difference. In other words, there is a very good chance this study found nothing real at all.

I raised this issue with an editor at one news organization, whose story had been particularly hysterical and lacking in context, asking why they hadn't noted these potential doubts. The rather snippy reply: "As for the rest of your concerns, we are dealing with a peer-reviewed journal study, and I don't feel at all comfortable going beyond what they are publishing. That is not our role."

Memo to editors: Journal peer-reviewers are human. They sometimes miss stuff. When did it stop being a reporter's job to ask questions?

Marijuana as addictive as tobacco?

If you haven't lost your teeth or died of lung cancer yet, another set of grim headlines warned that marijuana is as addictive as tobacco -- again, a conclusion that went beyond the study's findings and which was almost certainly wrong.

In this U.S. study, researchers took 12 people who regularly smoked both marijuana and cigarettes and had them stop using one, the other and both, in varying orders. Physiological tests and responses to questionnaires were used to assess withdrawal symptoms such as irritability and difficulty sleeping. The withdrawal symptoms reported were roughly comparable.

But the limitations of this research are obvious. In fairness, most were acknowledged in the study, published in the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence.

For one, the study looked only at regular users of both substances, so it tells nothing about marijuana users who do not use tobacco -- a considerable number, by most accounts. Second, the researchers did not publish the results for individual participants. In a sample of 12, one or two extreme responses can skew the averages enough to make them meaningless.

The researchers also did not note any changes in participants' use of caffeine or alcohol, which could easily have affected their findings. Volunteers were asked not to change their use of these substances, but we have no clue whether they followed these instructions.

And though the overall withdrawal symptom ratings were similar, ratings of anger and craving were higher for tobacco than for marijuana. And even in areas where the two substances were statistically comparable, there was often a trend toward the tobacco withdrawals being stronger. Had this been a larger study, those trends might have reached statistical significance.

Also, the five-day abstinence period may not have been enough to fully gauge withdrawal effects. For longtime cigarette smokers, tobacco cravings can continue for years.

Finally, a reality check: It is an established fact that about 32 percent of those who ever touch a cigarette become dependent on tobacco. For marijuana, the figure is nine percent. In the real world, it's clear that marijuana is nowhere near as addictive as tobacco -- but again, you'd never know it from the coverage of this study.

In fact, you wouldn't learn much from the coverage of any of these studies.

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Bruce Mirken is communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project.

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It about free thinking...
Posted by: Obijuan on Feb 9, 2008 12:54 AM   
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In every situation I have come across, grass can be directly linked to free thinking. This is to be avoided at all costs in the new America.

Trust me, this isn't about protecting citizens' health. If it was, we would have prohibited tobacco by now.

This is about freedom: depriving people of their understanding of it, and their desire to have it.

I'll be staying far far away from the homeland, I assure you.

obi

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» RE: It about free thinking... Posted by: Shenonymous
» pot opens your mind Posted by: Sapator J Cleck
Lets end this nonsense already, please.
Posted by: pyramid on Feb 9, 2008 1:06 AM   
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I hear if the drug czar sees his shadow on 4/20 it means 6 more years of prohibition.

It might make your teeth fall out. Seriously? And we need to put people in jail or prison for this?

It might be as hard to quit as cigarettes? So, does that mean it should be as illegal as cigarettes?

It might give you cancer? Well no product that could ever potentially give you cancer could ever be legal, could it?

If this is seriously the best they can come up with then WHY ISN'T THIS $#!+ LEGAL, TAXED AND REGULATED ALREADY?

C'mon people, how is this nonsense helping us? Is any of this a reason to put anyone in jail or prison? Isn't 70 years of this enough already? How many millions of young people do we need to arrest and disenfranchise in the misguided notion that we are somehow helping them? How much longer must we allow our politicians to sustain the very black markets, crime and violence that plague our world just so they can pretend to be "tough on crime" and continue this madness?

PLEASE. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY.

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» excellent comment Posted by: deborama
a pissing contest between two sets of truth
Posted by: Richard House on Feb 9, 2008 3:08 AM   
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weed advocates and those who are against it are in an endless contest. each side has studies to prove they are right. but weed does contain carcinogens, and possibly more than cigarettes. nevertheless, each individual should have the right to kill themselves off in a manner they feel is right for them.

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» RE: a pissing contest between two sets of truth Posted by: twocentsadjustedforinflation
» Weed = Death????? Posted by: Fencerider
Each time you smoke pot...
Posted by: chomsky on Feb 9, 2008 3:34 AM   
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Each time you smoke pot... God kills a puppy!!!

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» RE: each time you smoke pot... Posted by: bitsfick
» RE: each time you smoke pot... Posted by: John Annis
» RE: Each time you smoke pot... Posted by: John Annis
» RE: ach time you smoke pot... Posted by: Birdperson
» RE: ach time you smoke pot... Posted by: buffeliscious
This whole
Posted by: bitsfick on Feb 9, 2008 3:50 AM   
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pot smoking is bad thing is just an outgrowth of our puritanical mentality. We can't have anyone having a good time, because it's -------well.....never mind why, we just don't want anyone enjoying themselves. I think it is called transference, I transfer all my hangups, phobias etc to you, and then punish you for my inability to deal with my problems. On a construction job one day I listened to a mason, who hadn't drawn a sober breath in 30 years, berate a younger man for smoking pot.

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Anslinger again
Posted by: farmertx on Feb 9, 2008 3:50 AM   
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Shades of Harry Anslinger and old man Hurst.
Considering how many actually believed that the Shrub was the answer, instead of the problem, it isn't surprising that this will get some belief also.
This old man knew that Marijuana would be legal, and taxed, like tobacco by now. 'Course, I also knew that there was no way the Shrub could be President, too.
Strangely, it took a Republican Governor here in Texas to lessen the criminal penalties for possession. You still go to prison, just not for 40+ years.
A bud of mine, back in '69, caught 40 years for providing a Narc one joint at Lee Park.
Now, the cop would take the joint and smoke it himself and tell you to stay away.

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drug use IS linked to low social standing in a hierarchical society
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 9, 2008 4:31 AM   
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Bruce K Alexander's underreported Rat Park study (use the Canadian Parliament's search facility) showed that opiates are not addictive. When viewing experiments of rats scampering over an electric grid to get a hit, he observed that he would probably do the same if he lived alone in a cramped and comfortless cage.

He and his colleagues constructed a spacious living area where rats could socialize, mate, play and nurse their young. When offered a choice between plain water and an opiate-laced water, the rats chose the plain water. Moral of the story? Creatures who are happy don't want to blur their reality.

Smoking tobacco or marijuana may be a habit (with positive and negative health consequences), but it's not an addiction. Creating a more equalitarian society would reduce all drug use, including the use of alcohol.

Of course there are people with vested interests in maintaining poverty, ill health and crime. Keeping the public ignorant and confused maintains or even worsens the status quo.

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» This is interesting ... Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: This is interesting ... Posted by: Cybershaman
A Little History
Posted by: Sparks56 on Feb 9, 2008 4:58 AM   
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Legalized pot threatens two huge and influencial multi-billion dollar industries; Big Pharma and Big Booze. It was during Prohibition that the liquor industry created the myth about the "Killer Weed". They knew booze was going to be legal again and they didn't want people to find a replacement in the meantime. Since everyone knew about liquor and few knew about pot, this was easy to do. The myth was seriously challenged by the Sixties counter culture but by then the liquor people had new help in keeping it alive; Big Pharma. Legalized marijuana could replace a lot of very profitable drugs; both over the counter and prescription. (What legalized pot could do to the huge anti-depressant market alone motivates the drug industry to climb on the "Killer Weed" band wagon.) There could never be a real legalized pot "industry". It could never be controlled or taxed. If pot were legal you couldn't give it away; it's too easy to grow. No profits, no taxes, no control, and evaporating billion dollar markets. Gotta keep the myth alive! Can't turn the clydesdales into plow horses.

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» The answer is..... Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: A Little History Posted by: froghat
» RE: A Little History Posted by: Chas073
Good Journalism
Posted by: PaulK on Feb 9, 2008 5:04 AM   
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The author found an entire collection of howlers, a trend, where we distort our thinking to satisfy a political goal.

"She turned me into a newt! -- I got better."

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» RE: Good Journalism Posted by: Shenonymous
SCARED TO LIVE
Posted by: RODNOX on Feb 9, 2008 5:11 AM   
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WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE JUST SO SCARED TO LIVE ?---SOME SAY CONSERVATIVE-REPUBLICAN--NEOCONS ARE SCARED TO LIVE--SCARED TO DIE..........THATS WHY THEY TELL US ALL HOW TO LIVE---WHILE HYPOCRITICALLY CHEATING DUE TO NATURAL URGES.........AS USUAL WITH BOGUS STUDIES--LIKE THOSE OF GLOBAL WARMING BEING FINANCED BY EXXON AND FRIENDS----WE WILL PROBABLY FIND THIS STUDY WAS FINANCED BY RELIGOUS WACKOS OR SOME CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK....

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» RE: SCARED TO LIVE Posted by: Sparks56
» Studies Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: SCARED TO LIVE Posted by: toddcory
» RE: SCARED TO LIVE Posted by: Cybershaman
Life is full of absurdities
Posted by: Shenonymous on Feb 9, 2008 5:16 AM   
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But is there anything more laughable?

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Tsk! So easy to refute!
Posted by: Longdream on Feb 9, 2008 5:27 AM   
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WILL EVERYBODY WHO STILL HAS THEIR TEETH PLEASE RAISE THEIR HAND?

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Decriminalize NOW!
Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 9, 2008 5:43 AM   
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As the first poster said, pot and free-thinking go together. Who would have thought - 40 years ago while smoking joints in college - that marijuana would still be cause to be arrested? It is hard to believe that many of our "lawmakers" were not potsmokers once upon a time. GWB was a real party animal.

No, it's about control and surveillance, and this has got to stop. It is one of the many reasons that I am running for Senate in New York State.

Please help me out by participating in my Facebook group until my website is launched later this spring.

Let peace begin with me...

Michael W. Lurie for U.S. Senate - please join and check it out.

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» RE:He conveniently forgot Posted by: Sushi
The CIA & Marijuana Connection
Posted by: TarryFaster on Feb 9, 2008 5:50 AM   
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Click here for a video on the connection between the CIA and drugs.

However, this all goes deeper than that! Look at who is behind the CIA by clicking here.

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» RE: The CIA & Marijuana Connection Posted by: TarryFaster
Mean Spirited People.......use the word "pothead"
Posted by: picket on Feb 9, 2008 6:06 AM   
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as a degrading insult. When American adults finally grow up and are able to confide in their uninformed elders that they do not think Cannabis is in anyway akin to REEFER MADNESS theology....THEN...the lies can be debated around "thinking people".

Stand up and be brave around those that throw around "pothead" in such a loose manner. Adults that are still in the closet are parents and grandparents themselves now. Gram and Gramp have been around and won't make an honest discussion a big deal!!!

If left to their own devices, Authoritarian Figures, will continue to demonize Cannabis, and the lives of otherwise innocent citizens will continue to be ruined.

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» Great comment! Posted by: Coleman
Don't You Have to Be Pretty Stupid to Believe This?
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 9, 2008 6:14 AM   
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We've heard all this before, going back to the so-called "Reefer Madness," the 1936 propaganda film about marijuana. But, it seems the need for scapegoats and whipping boys won't stop. The dangers of a plant that can be grown in your backyard. Amplified to a crescendo to help justify the endless billions spent on a stupid and idiotic "war on drugs." But, seriously, just who could be stupid enough to believe the increasingly fantastic propaganda about the "dangers" of marijuana?

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As ridiculous
Posted by: Gravitas on Feb 9, 2008 6:16 AM   
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As ridiculous as the assertion by one of Oprah's guest that clutter makes one fat. Apparently there is NO limit to the gullibility of the U.S. public!

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my own experience [of 38 years use] at 53
Posted by: Zuma on Feb 9, 2008 6:30 AM   
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since 1970 i've used coffee, tobacco, and cannabis purposefully for writing and illustrating. before doing so, i thought long and hard. correctly, i sensed i'd never marry or sire children. i knew the risks of tobacco but found the consequences worth what it gave; antipsychotic properties, natural opiates, general stimulation and upper mental stimulation in particular. coffee likewise but to lesser heights and crudely more broadly. i only smoke and drink while working, not 'recreationally'. my gums have seriously receded. for years, my dentist chalked it up to the cigarettes. when i ask about cannabis, he has no firm conclusion but discounts nothing. my straight older brother smoked as much as i but did not drink such much coffee and did not use cannabis at all -and did not suffer such gum loss. or hair loss for that matter...

perforced to eschew cannabis for most of the year 2000 and this past summer, i do notice it's effects on my mouth when returning to use.

it is of course exceedingly worth it as i have consciously and deliberately Used it all these years, aware of such costs and others as yet unknown, to [externally corroborated] conspicuous advantage. the mental difference is altogether; a stoned intellect serves such purpose. (set and setting matter in psychotropics as they do with psychedelics; i wouldn't recommend living a stoned life of mind without a pointed dedication to it.) the ego dissolving aspects are beneficial but many, drunk on power, alcohol, or testosterone may disagree. so, it's hard to objectively judge. the stoned culture may well corroborate but that can be taken as self-serving; it is not. creativity explodes with cannabis use and cultural reflects this, but straight society can argue bias.

conventional reality isn't the issue, the convention itself is, but i digress slightly. i say to be free of such box, to see such contrast, is worth it, worth receded gums. my teeth are there -my hair is another matter!

stoners of all generations and nationalities historically know through our literature the absurdity of the claim of addiction. it *is* addictive -as are cats. cat withdrawal is about on par. runners are far far more addicted to their running...

earth gives us what she does purposefully. scientists only now begin to understand she is alive and has a health to be maintained or diminished, with a temperament and character along with that. our race between enlightenment and catastrophe, our comprehension and apprehension of Ego, is helped by cannabis.

many now believe in Entheogenics, that largely what empowered us creatively was an occurence a long time ago of psychedelic and psychotropic encounter. we are sovereign consciousnesses and consciences and have an inalienable to such communion with earth.

it may well be we should be simply be eating it cooked rather than smoking it.

as even psychedelics are now assayed and reviewed less hysterically and more clinically, psychotropics too are just beginning to be. it may yet be a while before sane assessment can be broadly attempted, much less arrive at a consensus.

the world is indeed run by mindless force, but stoned products remain. one needn't have smoked to dig jazz, subversive thing that it is...

cannabis itself isn't the issue directly, Entheogenics is. Alcohol, ego, sugar, power intoxication -these are similar things, related to each other. Food Of The Gods by Terence Mckenna relays much history to be considered.

http://zuma.vip.warped.com/z/#reefer

http://zuma.usmjparty.com/

http://zuma.usmjparty.com/#alternet

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Marijuana Causes Jobs To Move To China And Mexico
Posted by: hole11 on Feb 9, 2008 6:35 AM   
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We can safely blame marijuana for everything. I heard a voter really voted for the bush.

Most people only pay attention to the latest soap opera anyways. News is nothing new anymore. Just rehash of the same thing with different names. You ever hear of them getting all sides of a story anymore? I don't.

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Smoking Pot Rots Your Gums ?
Posted by: Oryoki on Feb 9, 2008 6:38 AM   
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So, don't smoke it - eat it in brownies! Some have say ingesting provides a better and longer lasting buzz. But be sure to brush your teeth afterwards so the sugar doesn't rot your teeth.

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Marijuana use
Posted by: jw56 on Feb 9, 2008 6:44 AM   
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I smoked pot practically every day for eighteen years between the ages of 18 and 36. That was fifteen years ago. After twelve years of not smoking weed I went to a concert and took a hit when a pipe was passed to me by a friend. I had a buzz for three days. In the past three years I've taken two or three hits when it was offered. I still enjoy it, but I don't feel compelled to begin smoking it regularly.

When I was younger smoking a joint would sober me up when I was drunk. Smoking weed didn't interfere with work. I met interesting people I wouldn't have talked to unless I was high. I was exposed to history, literature, music, and nonconformist ideas that I wouldn't have learned if I remained in the mainstream. The authorities want to keep marijuana illegal. Think about it. They have the technology available to prohit marijuana farming, but they won't do it on a large scale because they have money invested in the underground drug trade. They keep the propaganda mill going about marijuana use because they don't want too many free thinkers walking around.

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» RE: Marijuana use Posted by: BAKslider
Pot Turns You Into A Republican and Either Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter!
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 9, 2008 6:52 AM   
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I've heard if you smoke pot it turns you into a Republican. If you are female, you start to look and talk like Ann Coulter, if you are a guy, you start to look and talk like Rush Limbaugh,...

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Victimless Crimes
Posted by: freshlemon on Feb 9, 2008 7:10 AM   
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This whole fiasco of criminal pot use is absurd. When did you last read or hear about a pot smoker killing whole families in automobile accidents.or going on a rampage of destruction in their neighborhoods, or killing their family or the corner store owner over pot? It is so easy to grow that nobody even needs a dealer to get it except in a police state where the need for controlling other people's lives is a sickness in its own right.

Real victims are created every day because of alcohol,money,religion and politics. We can even wipe out whole countries and cultures, persecute,torture and kill people in the name of religion, government and money. All you have to do to find out about the victims of alcohol use is read the daily newspaper or listen to news reports...or visit a local bar to view the release of inner demons.

In my 40+ years of potsmoking experience, pot smokers can usually be found in a relaxed state contemplating and talking about all the mysteries of life. Oh, yes, I have all of my own teeth and don't feel compelled to search for a joint if none is easily available. I also don't have cancer, but wouldn't be surprised if I did happen to get it because of food additives, vehicle emissions, industrial waste and pollution, etc.

True, I wouldn't want the pilot of a plane I was in to be high on anything. Testing of people in critical positions,however, would be a lot less expensive and safer for everyone than this endless campaign to criminalize the use of pot throughout society.

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Where are all the studies on alcohol?
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Feb 9, 2008 7:26 AM   
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Alcohol is far more dangerous than any illegal drug, and even though it's not as deadly as cigarettes, it has a much greater potential to ruin people's lives during the time they're alive. If authorities want to whine about substance abuse to escape reality, alcohol is culprit #1.

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» RE: Where are all the studies on alcohol? Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
When you live in a country...
Posted by: VickyinSD on Feb 9, 2008 7:33 AM   
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who's administration surpresses the truth, twisting and distorting it to suit their own needs, what do you expect the govt. controlled press to report... the real truth?

We don't see the funerals or the flag drapped coffins of our fallen youth on TV or in the papers because our govt. doesn't want us to, and it's those same news sources who spread propaganda like this because it suits the needs of the govt.!

When freedom of the press is really free, we might start hearing the truth.

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More reefer madness
Posted by: outlander55 on Feb 9, 2008 8:08 AM   
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If you want to look at it from a religious standpoint;
Man makes alcohol and thousands die from it each year.
God (Mother Nature) makes weed and we never hear of pot deaths.
Who do you trust?

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"A joint = 20 cigarettes" (???)
Posted by: sslyon on Feb 9, 2008 8:13 AM   
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This kind of nonsense has been going on since the 60's; I was there and I know first hand. There is one easy way to debunk it: check the epidemiology studies conducted in using populations, both localized within non-using cultures and cultures around the world with long histories of use, both recreationally and for ritual.
To date there can be found absolutely no basis for the fear mongering and there is at least some strong suggestion of beneficial effects. Of course the latter is least likely to get the publicity.

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If they really cared about teeth rotting, then
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 9, 2008 8:36 AM   
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they should be banning junk food all the way as that rots one's teeth far more than marijuana can be proven to. Until we progressive stop buying into the reefer madness, this country of ours will be stuck in hell with scumbags the likes of Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush I and II, etc ... as our MISleaders and with a worthless Congress and fucked up agencies all stacked up against us all. ABOLISH THE DEA !

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Magic Goodness
Posted by: ericthefool on Feb 9, 2008 8:47 AM   
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I work with the mentally ill. We go to see the Doctor about every 4-6 weeks, because something is always wrong with their medications. Tolerance, bad side effects, dependence, and psychosis are always involved. What do they do? Stack another med on, increase, double, stack, stack, stack...o

I would say about 75% of my case load smokes marijuana. I will say that about 90% of them are doing great. They use marijuana to stop voices, stop panic attacks, relax, or to feel normal. I can't imagine what it would be like to hear voices...and while the Doc takes 3-6 months to figure out what conglomeration of pills they should be on, they could have just prescribed marijuana and we would have fixed the problem long ago.

Marijuana will never be legal. There is no way the Gov't could regulate it or tax it. I also agree that it has something to do with 'free thinking' as well. But we can still hope.

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» Don't hope. Stand up. Posted by: Coleman
Thank you
Posted by: g50 on Feb 9, 2008 9:47 AM   
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For reporting these facts. I have to admit, that I read these headlines and was worried. You see, I read hundreds of news sources a day - I guess I'm an info junky? - but there is not always this kind of critical eye, such that, for example, you can come away with this story with the wrong impression. So - THANKS! Tasty information!

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» RE: If you want the truth Posted by: VickyinSD
Pot will never be legal
Posted by: GuyCybershy on Feb 9, 2008 9:49 AM   
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If pot were legal people could easily grow enough for their own consumption. It is also a threat to tobacco and alcohol. This is the resaon pot will remain illegal, it has absolutely nothing to do with health.
I recall a few years ago reading about a british study which claimed pot might prevent alzheimers. The media buried it of course.

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Reading all this crap they spew
Posted by: donl51 on Feb 9, 2008 10:14 AM   
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Rots your mind,drops your IQ to the low double digits and any media oulet such as Fox Noise or other that seriusly reports this garbage should be buried deep in cat poop!Things are bad out there so its easier for the Gov.to find a starving lab that'll tell you milk is the gateway vehicle to marijuanna.Who ever is really behind all this propaganda has little or no faith that people do have and at times use their freaking brains.I did an official study on the DEA and police,both local and state and have determined you need to 'at least' be able to read on a 3rd grade level,but listening unquestionably to orders is all important.and if you destroy an innocents life ,its not your fault,it's theirs! It's going to get worse,but in all honesty I believe they're getting desperite!

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Major weakness in these studies
Posted by: Dboy on Feb 9, 2008 10:30 AM   
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The major weakness in these studies is that they are almost always zeroing in on the method of use, NOT the plant itself. As one post mentioned, you can make things like brownies and cookies, which work very well. The THC is extracted by the fats in brownies or other baked goods in a much more efficent way than by burning the leaf in smoking. Medical users are now using vaporizers, which are also very good at extracting THC, compared to water pipes or joints. You'll find that most of these studies end up being a sham, funded by a group with an agenda (non-scientific by definition), and are used as propaganda tools. Taking cannabis for personal use is an issue of personal freedom, and is used as a tool by the state to illustrate their power, nothing more. It's almost laughable that we are expected to believe that government or institutions honestly care about public health.

dboy

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teeth & gums
Posted by: kiel on Feb 9, 2008 10:43 AM   
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Didn't have a cavity till I was 40. The dentist can't even make my gums bleed.
What a crock.

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Big Pharma feeds off B8ig Tobackgo -- and both fear cannabis!
Posted by: tokerdesigner on Feb 9, 2008 10:44 AM   
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Big Pharma feeds off Big Tobackgo, and both fear cannabis

In descending order:

2. If cannabis were legalized, some tobacco cigaret users might succeed in quitting, but

1. Worst of all-- the rational practice among many cannabis users of burning a mini-dose (25 mg.) in a single-toke utensil might spill over into the slave overdose tobacco-cigaret population, and millions of pack-a-day addicts now spending $2000 a year, once free of the fear of being prosecuted for owning the utensil, would convert to using up less than one 700-mg. cigaret a day, bankrupting Big Tobackgo.

B. As the previous commentator points out, garden-grown marijuana may substitute for many big-profit drugs, but

A. Worst of all, if after millions of continuing tobacco smokers switch from the 700-mg. overdose to a 25-mg. utensil, the drastic drop in cigaret-related illnesses happens as I confidently expect, there will be a corresponding drastic drop in demand for many big-profit drugs and treatments for cigaret-related illnesses and a substantial part of Big Pharma will be bankrupted.

What to do now: go out to the garage and make your first 25-mg.-serving-size utensil out of a quarter-inch i.d. socket wrench, or buy a kiseru on the internet for $700 yen, and show 20 of your cigaret-addicted friends how to use the utensil to decimate their habit. (Besides yourself getting 800-900 25-mg. single tokes out of a properly sifted ounce of miraclewonder.)

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The Bright Side Of Quack Marijuana Reporting...
Posted by: mutatron on Feb 9, 2008 10:53 AM   
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... is that it keeps the subject alive and gives people a chance refute the so-called evidence.

The other thing is that the bad effects mentioned in recent studies are so trivial, even the dullest person can recognize cannabis isn't that bad. Might give you gum disease if you smoke huge amounts every day for 10 years? Might make you irritable for a few days if you quit? Better make ice cream and coffee illegal too!

A growing number of Americans recognize the wisdom of legalization of a plant that produces a far safer recreational experience than alcohol, and also has the ability to relieve adverse symptoms of many diseases and disorders.

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what?
Posted by: formaryjane on Feb 9, 2008 11:09 AM   
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I think that somone sold this guy a bag of meth instead of weed cause weed ain't gonna rot your teeth but all the shit you eat will. why does it seem like the only way that this stuf is still illegal is because people keep trying to make running fear out of it, I'ma gonna make a happy advertisement campaign, maybe thats what needs to get done

dont knock it til you had the experience man

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» RE: what? Posted by: Lauren
The Hearst legacy is still with us
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 9, 2008 11:29 AM   
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W.R.Hearst coined the phrase 'Marijuana' back in the 20's. It was to save his newspaper empire because he was the king of what came to be known as 'Yellow Journalism'. Basically that's National Enquier sytle of news reporting. It does'nt have to be true it just has to grab headlines and People's imaginations. It did and soon the great 'Marijuana Scare' was on. They had to do it because if they'd have said 'Hemp makes you a drug fiend rapist' our Great Grandparents (of the over 40 generation) would have laughed in their faces. They knew about Hemp. It made clothes,lamp oil, varnish, #2 diesel and medicines put out by Eli Lilly. With alchoholic
abusive husbands,The Women's Temperance League was able to get State,County and Municipal Judges to order the abusive assholes to 'Hashish Therapy'. Why? Because it made them peaceful while getting them buzzed. That's the biggest reason for keeping it illegal now. We've become a 'Warrior nation' and you can't raise the angry blood if you're stoned!!
Now we have a new crop of 'Yellow Journalists' and they're the mass media. They sold out years ago during Iran/Contra to keep the truth of the guns for drugs for money operation the Reagan/Bush Administration was up too. The reason it's happening now is simple. It's not because they are protecting the public's interest,They are not, it's because there's many state's with hemp issues on their ballots and the media has to misdirect our attention towards something meaningless so we don't stay focused on this illegal war brought by a corrupted Presidency causing the useless deaths of our sons,daughters,fathers and mothers so little georgie can seem like a big deal. He's not. But then again petty little Tyrants need to boost their own egos to feel necessary,supreme and god-like. Too bad we see him as he truly is,the whiney little brat from the schoolyard that alway got picked on and had to get a bunch of his freinds to defend him because he was too much of a pussy to do it himself. Such is living with the Bush wussies,1 and 2. But here's a little truth;
1. In all of written history the has never been a death caused by overdose by hemp.
2. Alchohol causes over 100,000 deaths by overdose per year. Half from driving drunk.
3. Aspirin causes over a thousand deaths a year from overdose.
4. Tobacco as it's made today causes nearly 300,000 deaths from it's use.
2,3,and 4 are all legal products created by man
as such they are lethal,God made Hemp. Who do you trust? Mine is with That which Created All That Is,not those whom create for profit.
This lates attack on Hemp is just another series of restriction to Freedom and Liberty,given us by God. They are in the preamble to the Constitution. Something I've been told of late that is the 'founding stones' on which we base this so-called nation,but not Law. Judging from what I observe,the foundation has become sand and the effects in the preamble are moot.Therefore this piss poor excuse of a governance feels it's better,greater and somehow wiser that the God of all Creation.
We are led by egomanical idiots!! Let's elect someone that respects the gifts given us by the Creator and leave behind the ship of fools that passes for a government.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
www,youtube.com/RevJeffrey7
THINK OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM AND GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

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after smoking since '67,all I've gotten is stoned
Posted by: palolololo on Feb 9, 2008 12:14 PM   
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No breasts,my teeth are in excellent condition (4
fillings in my entire life) and good lung function
I'm still puffing several times a day and it continues to have ZERO physical issues. Unless you count the munchies :)

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Speaking of Heath Ledger... notice the vanishing coverage?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 9, 2008 12:50 PM   
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No headlines are blaring "Prescription Drugs Kill Actor!", are they? In case you haven't heard, Ledger died of drugs which were prescribed to him by doctors and sold to him by pharmacists.

The drugs that killed him were a combination of two kinds of opiate drugs - Oxycontin (oxycodone) and Vicodin (hydrocodone) - and several kinds of benzodiazepines - Valium (diazepam) and Xanax (alprazolam) and one other, temazepam.

These drugs are all widely available. Anyone could walk into a doctor's office, feign back pain or serious depression, and walk out with a bag full of pills - as long as it seems legitimate.

Sales of these drugs are at the heart of the most profitable sector of Wall Street - pharmaceuticals. Historically, pharmaceuticals have earned more per dollar invested than just about any other sector. The top-selling drugs are the benzo anti-depressants, opiate pain-killers, and amphetamine stimuants - Valium and Prozac, Oxycontin and Vicodin, and Ritalin and Adderall (Otherwise known as 'ludes, smack and speed).

Compared to those drugs, cannabis is far less dangerous. Cannabis is even less dangerous than coffee - which, as we now know, can contribute to miscarriages during pregnancy. Smoking cannabis (or anything) during pregnancy is not a good idea, either (carbon monoxide is always produced during combustion). Eating cannabis? It's probably less dangerous than most other morning-sickness medications.

That's corporate media coverage for you - no in-depth discussion of the dangers of pharmaceutical drugs, but plenty of dishonest hysteria about cannabis. The fact of the matter is that if Heath Ledger had stuck to pot, and avoided the more socially acceptable pharma products, he'd still be alive today.

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punishing the sick
Posted by: maddasein on Feb 9, 2008 1:56 PM   
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In addition to punishing innocent recreational users, the government heinously overlooks the needs of sick people who could greatly benefit from the medicinal properties of marijuana. My mother suffers from severe fibromyalgia and it saddens to me to see her take so many crazy pharmaceuticals like hydrocodone and morphine for her pain. When she does happen to get some marijuana to ease the pain, she feels so much better and is WAY more cognizant. Unfortunately she is not always able to find any of the herbal medicine and when she does it is often not of the highest quality, which means that it may have other chemicals like pesticides in it. If marijuana could ATLEAST be legalized for medical purposes, people like her could get high quality stuff and without the risk of legal ramifications. I am just so outraged at the fact that the MAIN reason for not legalizing it is because of the greed of evil politicians and pharmaceutical companies (fuckers) who could give a shit less for people like my mother who suffer needlessly from disabling pain everyday.

As far as these bogus claims such as making your teeth fall out and killing brain cells, I've NEVER known any regular pot smoker to have any medical problems associated with its use, including myself as a user of 13 years. Those retarded "research" findings are designed to scare people into ignorance, leaving only a minority of us to speak out against this destructive drug war.

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Heath Ledger... con't
Posted by: picket on Feb 9, 2008 2:32 PM   
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There was not a whisper of illegal drugs except in the first few hours after his death. He was returning from filming in Europe so I'm sure Cannabis in his possession was too dangerous for his career. If he was caught with Cannabis ...off to jail or rehab...career in ruins. Go figure !!!

He was not sleeping for days and apparently upset over his role playing the Joker...can anyone in the MSM say too bad he did not take a toke...sweet dreams and for SOME no bad dreams either. Maybe just maybe he would be alive.

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The Politics of Heroin
Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 9, 2008 2:52 PM   
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What MOST people don't understand is that those who get hooked on heroin and other addictive drugs - prescribed, legal or otherwise - are the children of parents and guardians who don't give a fcuk about them - just like the Drug Peddlers and/or Big Pharma. They are one and the same!

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» really stupid comment Cathyc Posted by: rancespergl
» RE: Wake the fuckup! Posted by: VickyinSD
The rise of capitalism coincides with the rise of coffee use.
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Feb 9, 2008 4:15 PM   
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The first stock exchanges were in the coffee houses of Amsterdam and London. Pretty much every business and political decision in capitalist countries is made in meetings in which coffee is served.

In a world which is hurtling into the next world war propelled by the needs of expansive capitalism, do we need to consider that it could be the effect of societywide coffee intoxication?

Or not. I guess Mormon's don't drink coffee, do they.

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Marijuana grows hair on the palms of your hands!
Posted by: xvictor on Feb 9, 2008 4:49 PM   
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I swear!! :)

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Just fire one up.
Posted by: PJAW on Feb 9, 2008 5:22 PM   
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What's the worst that can happen? Three hots and a cot. I'm beginning to believe that there's really not that much more freedom on this side of the prison walls than there is on the other, so what's the freakin' difference.

In fact, I think we ought to have a program of voluntary incarceration here in Amerika. If you're having subversive thoughts, and contemplating subversive action, you ought to be able to submit yourself for this program. Since this would be voluntary, there'd be dramatically less need for security. I suggest that the savings realized there (not to even mention those from reduced court costs) be invested in cable TV and maybe a wet bar for each "cell". Hell, why not have co-ed housing too.

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» RE: Just fire one up. Posted by: Longdream
Drug wars
Posted by: fdgsr on Feb 9, 2008 6:30 PM   
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I am 80 years old and have raised seven children. At least three used marijuana. The symptoms of their affliction are common and recognizable.

Having said that, I can also admit that I do not know if their personality defects were present before the marijuana and caused the tendency to use it, or if the use of it caused the symptoms post-use. I also had a younger brother, now deceased, a victim of hepatitis C at 59, a common associated disease with prolonged drug and alcohol use and abuse. He was a known user and had all the symptoms of a user.

I do not know if marijuana rots teeth or not. Hell, I do not know if alcohol, tobacco, or potato soup is bad for you. I only know what I read about it. Those who use drugs, marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, or coffee do show symptoms not recognizable in 'normal' people.

I am a liberal, who believes that people who wish to commit suicide by slow decay or their flesh, or by lead poisoning directly into the brain from the muzzle of a gun, should not be interfered with. They should be helped to a more humane demise with medical supervision paid for by proceeds from legitimate labor production.

The right to life is part and parcel of the right to end it by ones own hand. Even infants without the will to live to enjoy the fruits of a productive life have a right to end life by their own effort. No other person can gain my assent to kill another person, even an embryo naturally conceived intentionally or unintentionally. I would not interfere in a deliberate abortion, and would not attempt to revive the products of conception. My love of life gives me a pro-life attitude. Yet, I know that all life is not destined for productive existence.

There are men who should be killed, but no babies that should be killed. Wait til they grow up. So with that, is it little wonder that I do not believe that people should be prevented from the use of any substance that cuts their life short? Marijuana, and other drugs should be legal, regulated, and taxed to the hilt.

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» RE: Drug wars Posted by: Longdream
That image on the front page...
Posted by: fanny666 on Feb 9, 2008 6:33 PM   
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...is from the 1936 movie "Marihuana", which is absolutely hilarious. Probably not coincidentally, 1936 is one year before marijuana was made illegal by federal law.

As always, it pays to be skeptical of pot propaganda, and especially how popular media distorts the findings of scientific journals. I have not read the original article, but smoking ANYTHING is bad for your teeth- cigarettes, cigars, pipes- and so yes, I am sure that smoking marijuana is as well.

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Heaven Forfend! Growing Herbal Medication in the Backyard!
Posted by: macdon1 on Feb 9, 2008 6:57 PM   
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If we went back to treating everything except dire illness with natural remedies we could grow in the backyard, the ceo's and stockholders in big pharma and the hmo's would lose a lot of money. Big medicine and big Pharma have also tried to knock out homeopathic remedies and supplements for the same reason.
Marijuana is just another herbal remedy that has
been around for eons.

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Withdrawal ??
Posted by: Birdperson on Feb 9, 2008 8:42 PM   
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I’m in my mid 50’s and have smoked everyday since I was 19. Got laid off and stopped smoking for 3 months in case I had to take a drug test for new job. All I experienced was 1 night of restless sleep the first night. Oh, and I lost some weight too. ;-) Damn those munchies!!

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Praise Jah
Posted by: onevoter on Feb 9, 2008 9:23 PM   
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The whole war on marijuana is absurd. How can you legislate a plant? God gave us plants.
What if the government said you can't grow a tomato or a rose?

I think all plants should be legal to grow for your personal use-marijuana, coca, opium poppy. You could grow just 12 plants and have enough ganja to last you a year. And there should be no regulation at all, unless you alter or refine the plant to make another substance-like cocaine or heroin.

Praise Jah Rastafari!

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The liars just never quit!!!
Posted by: SamFox on Feb 9, 2008 9:27 PM   
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More Reefer Madness propaganda. Sorta like peak oil & global warming propaganda. The end result is 'give the gov. more control'.

If you have yet to, join NORML, Americans For Safe Access, Christians For Cannabis or other RE-legalize cannabis groups. For education got to jackherer.com & watch the DVD 'Grass", narrated by Woody Harrilson. Go from there. There is a lot to learn.

To bad the spin master's forgot to mention that aspirin has killed more people than weed. If grass were legal & had TV ads you would never hear "whose side affects include"...unless you count munchies & giggling as dangerous.

Oh well...what do you expect form control freaks???

SamFox

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Smoke it and it will make you free
Posted by: ratcity on Feb 9, 2008 10:07 PM   
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The only reason the U.S government does not want anyone to smoke dope is no one will feel like making wars.

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Afghanistan
Posted by: gellero on Feb 9, 2008 10:46 PM   
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I was in Afghanistan when I was 23 ( years ago ) and they smoke hash constantly......there goes your theory !!

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The folly of big government
Posted by: frankfortpost on Feb 9, 2008 11:03 PM   
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Well, this is another punch in the face to those of you who insist on big government.

The Republicans are largely liberals, just like the Democrats, so marijuana reform is most likely not going to happen.

With it being such a large, controlling tool and method of use, especially against minorities, I doubt you will see it vanish anytime soon.

My only hope is that we get more Ron Paul like people into the process, so we can, at the very least, get the feds out of it, and return the issue to the states.

www.frankfortpost.org

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» RE: The folly of big government Posted by: Longdream
» RE: The folly of big government Posted by: left_libertarian
Poor nutrition
Posted by: moontime on Feb 10, 2008 5:08 AM   
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Poor nutrition is what rots your teeth.
Fluoride in the water also rots your teeth. While it is true that we need fluoride, the kind they put in the water is NOT the naturally-occurring kind, but instead an aluminum industry waste product.
When will the war on marijuana end? It has never killed a single person. The establishment must be desperate to be using tactics like this.

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Paranoid about the anti-pot lot
Posted by: NiceGuy on Feb 10, 2008 6:11 AM   
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Forgive my naivety, but why this massive upsurge in a barrage of anti-marijuana "research" and "crime statistics"? Is there some evil force behind it? I have to admit that the barrage is brilliantly orchestrated. What organisations finance this appalling research? The stories grab the headlines and feed the fear but they never stand up to closer inspection. By that time the media has moved on to yet another study that "proves" some latest horror to do with pot.

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from a farmer in Nebraska
Posted by: zooeyhall on Feb 10, 2008 7:38 AM   
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I grow 640 acres of corn and soybeans in Nebraska. I have often thought that hemp would be a good crop to grow where I live. The soil, climate, and growing season here is perfect for it. The wild variety of hemp grows very well around here. Growing domestic hemp would give farmers like me an alternative in our crop rotations, and give us another economic option.

And from what I know about hemp, existing farm equipment could be used for planting and harvesting.

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» grown in WWII Posted by: zooeyhall
I Love the Propaganda
Posted by: BAKslider on Feb 10, 2008 8:10 AM   
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Propaganda posters like the one at the top of this thread are one of the reasons I became a lifelong pot smoker. The babes are hot, horny and stoned - making them easy prey for an adolescent geek seeking studliness. I was looking for "weird orgies" "wild parties" and "loose women." The "evils" of pot smoking looked like a wet dream to me and I couldn't wait to dive in and join the fun.

Unfortunately pot made me ponder more than paw the opposite sex. I found the parties and orgies hiding under the alcohol and Quaalude rug.

If something is prohibited by the far right - you can bet your butt its fun (not necessarily a gay joke). You can definitely see that there is a direct correlation between not smoking pot and conservative thinking. There are no minds to blow.

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Unfortunately, Pot is toxic
Posted by: bulldog831 on Feb 10, 2008 8:32 AM   
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Pot is toxic; and just one of the many, many toxic substances we in the present time choose to injest while believing these substances have little or no consequence for our health. Rule of thumb: If it distorts your perception, your body is telling you the substance is no good for you. Your body is putting you on alert not to continue with this substance.
Some of the other toxic and addictive substances we injest:
Alcohol
Nicotine
Caffiene(coffee, tea, chocolate)
Sugar(yes, sugar)
Salt
Grains(yes, grains)
Dairy(yes, dairy)
Legumes(yes, beans)
All oils
All vinegars
All spices and condiments
Read it and weep for your food addictions.
How can I write this?
I found a way to get my body to rid itself of Prostate Cancer. This alternative health approach is called Natural Hygiene. It says that periodic fasting, a simple, mostly raw diet, and regular exercise will allow the body to rid itself of most ailments, and remain illness free.
The simple diet? Raw fruit, salad, nuts, seeds and (optional) raw animal food(meat or fish).
The studies in this report are laugable, yes, but should not be used to justify our destruction of our mental, physical, and spiritual health. You weaken yourself everytime you injest anything which is not proper nutrition. The overwheling majority of ou heath problems are caused by the food, drink, and drugs(legal and illegal) we put in our bodies.
Prohibition is wrong also. You only need to look at alcohol prohibition in the 20th Century. The radical answer to drug use is to not only make it legal but also make it free."You want to destroy your health, go right ahead, take all you want."
Take control of your health now, or at least know that when you face chronic illness, there is a way for you to rid yourself of it.
Stop eatting, drinking, smoking, drugging for entertainment, and eat for nutrition.
I am not a puritan: I can see taking a drink or smoking some pot on occasion. I just realize that I do so knowing I weaken myself, shorten my life a bit, possibly set myself up for addiction problems, and will need to fast to recover my full strength in mind and body.

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» RE: Unfortunately, Pot is toxic Posted by: bulldog831
» RE: Unfortunately, Pot is toxic Posted by: left_libertarian
And the people whom thought up this crap....
Posted by: eosrk on Feb 10, 2008 10:23 AM   
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...and the same ones who thought invading Iraq on faith, and trying to get things stirred up for an Iran assult.....and they're running the goverment here, folks!

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Cannabis agriculture vs. global broiling
Posted by: P.E.A.C.E. on Feb 10, 2008 10:25 AM   
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At the same time that it is producing copious quantities of the world's most nutritious seed, regenerating depleted, compacted and contaminated soils, sequestering carbon from the atmosphere, providing a perfect carbon sink, and respiring oxygen, Cannabis also emits atmospheric aerosols called "monoterpenes" that reflect solar radiation back into space and seed cloud formation.

The REAL Question for Davos07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edZw3hXkGJo

How bad do things have to get before all solutions are considered?

Wake up. It's not whether marijuana is good for you or not. People want it , therefore either we let people grow it, as God intended (see Genesis 1:29, Exodus 30:23, etc) or we achieve extinction through synergistic collapse of environment, economics and eroding social structures.

If someone has a better idea, I'll work on theirs for free. Until I hear one good reason that's true not to grow Cannabis, then I will continue to grow it openly, proudly and for many reasons that cannot be argued with, in the context of a species on its way to extinction.

I challenge Alternet to consider how, even with the depth of coverage that the subject of marijuana is given, there is much more to be reported than the Editor is apparently willing to publish.

Google global broiling to read about the immediate threat to everyone's existence.

PvH

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WHEN A LAW PROVES TO BE UNINFORCEABLE ie. PROHIBITION
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Feb 10, 2008 12:14 PM   
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of alcohol, it should be repealed. The laws involving recreational drugs have so proven even to the most casual observer.

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Legalization, taxing, and the "Gateway Drug" Argument
Posted by: rdonaldson on Feb 10, 2008 5:14 PM   
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Many people believe that by legalizing cannabis, it would become an uncontrollable and nontaxable substance. This is only half the truth.

Though is is fairly easy to grow cannabis at one's home, isn't it just as easy to grow tobacco or make alcohol? People could easily acquire these substances in the very comfort of their home. However, there is one thing stopping them: people are generally lazy. As for marijuana, why spend all of your precious time, money(growing supplies), and effort(watering, feeding, and lighting) growing a plant that you can simply buy ready-to-smoke at your local shop? The businesses who sell cannabis would have the permission to cultivate on a mass scale, bigger than any underground dealer could achieve. This means the street dealers would be out of business due to the low prices and unbeatable quality of government regulated business's mass produced cannabis. Legitimate and reputable business will become the new source for cannabis smokers everywhere, for buyers will be assured pure, non-laced marijuana. Packaging and advertising could also favor the US cannabis market. Businesses will shine their reputable and trustworthy logo and designs on marijuana packaging, thus creating a sense of reassurance in purchasing, a feeling that is not often prevalent in a street deal(although most users I know buy from friends). First time users will feel much safer buying from a government regulated business. However, I am not saying legalization will attract more first-time users. If somebody wants to try it, they will find a way to obtain it no matter what the circumstances. Legalizing cannabis will only make this process safer.

The "gateway drug" accusations on marijuana would also vanish upon legalization. Although it is a continually arguable issue as of right now, all arguments against marijuana using the gateway drug theory crumble under our own laws. The only fact proposing the gateway drug theory is association. Dealers who sell marijuana may also sell harder drugs, but only for one sole reason which currently links the two categories together: they are both illegal. Legalizing cannabis would separate it from other harmful illicit drugs, as well as over-the-counter highs, which can be the most dangerous of them all. Personally, I would rather smoke something I bought at a shop that is meant to get you high, rather than overdosing on a pill whose bottle says, "DO NOT EXCEED DOSAGE, RESULTS CAN BE HARMFUL OR FATAL."

I have seen friends lose their lives to huffing aerosols and popping over-the-counter pills, and they did this not just to get high, but they wanted to get high without breaking the law(i'm not sure huffing aerosol is completely legal anyways, but in their media brainwashed heads it didn't seem as bad). If America would just let people have a safe, legal high, then deaths from other harmful substances would drastically decrease.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 10, 2008 7:31 PM   
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What if the police where you live couldn't be fired or even disciplined. Would you feel like you could rely on them to protect you?

VOCA, now

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» Huh???? Posted by: Fencerider
Common Sense aint that Common
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Feb 11, 2008 6:32 AM   
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When I saw that gum disease story, I immediately thought "some people get high, eat munchies, and then pass out". Of course their teeth are going to be worse, generally speaking. But that doesnt mean THC is actually rotting gums.

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The first casualty of war is the truth...
Posted by: jimidee on Feb 11, 2008 4:35 PM   
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whether it be an armed conflict against other nations or against our own citizens, like in the "drug war".

The Right's grand misinformation campaign against all recreational drugs has been the most effective propaganda campaign ever devised. Among other things, it has shackled researchers who were trying to determine if there were theaputic uses for the same substances. Why is this?

For one, politicians have seized upon the fact that it can invoke fear...a useful tool to control the citizenry. They readily dive to the bottom of the reality pool seeking to be the candidate who can be the toughest on drugs, reducing it to a political football.

Instead of peer reviewed medical research, politicians are using cops as their primary drug "experts" and anecdotal evidence and myths to push for tougher laws and sentencing guidelines. There is no such thing as a casual user to these zealots...they are all "abusers".

The media has been complicit in this campaign just like in the global warming "debate". I have mulled this over for years and concluded that it may be in part to a misguided attempt to keep kids off drugs. So, they report this bad "science" unquestionably...think of the children!

Of course, as with all psychoactive substances, if you have not experienced the drugs effects personally, you have no frigging idea what you are talking about. This is the basic fallacy of most of the studies and the 'Dare' program. Like with sex, it is not like someone can tell you what it is like and then you know what it is. Hendrix's lyrical question, "Are you Experienced?" is appropriate here.

History has shown us how hysteria and myth trumps logic and reason in this debate every time. There is no sign that this is about to change, regardless of how many people we incarcerate or how much it cost.

There have been "studies" on marijuana use where it has been "found" to kill brain cells, be highly addictive, be a gateway drug, cause amotivational syndrome, impair memory and cognition, cause psychological impairment, cause crime, interfere with sex hormones, damage the fetus, impair the immune system, damage the lungs more than tobacco, cause highway accidents, and have no medical value. Peer reviewed science has shown that these are all myths, so one has to take all illicit drug reseach findings used by the DEA with a healthy dose of skepticism.

As the Shafer Commission warned back in 1972, "Science has become a weapon in the propaganda battle." One thing that has become abundantly clear is that objective research is not a criteria for studies that the government funds. It is almost like the DEA has an anti-drug AGENDA (slight joke)!

We can hope that someday we get a President who is willing to take this on. Myths have a way of becoming the new 'reality' after a few generations, making it exceedingly difficult to change. Just how would an enlightened politician go about legalization of this and other illicit substances in these Dark Ages?

In this country, it certainly could be political suicide to even attempt it, which is probably why nobody has tried it yet. Bill Clinton was "experienced", but he knew better than to touch this one. Gays in the military are one thing, but legalization would draw the wrath of the entire 'dark side' worldwide.

Since the myths have become so ingrained over the last 40 years, most folks these days do not even know what the truth really is. Just look at some of the comments on this site...and we are supposed to be informed.

This is particularly alarming since many baby boomers have personal experience to counter these myths, yet refuse to rely on it. It is a bad case of not believing their own lying eyes, and instead believing what they are being told.

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If human beings were not meant to smoke pot...
Posted by: jimidee on Feb 11, 2008 5:33 PM   
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then why does our brains have receptor sites for THC? The cannabinoid receptor type 1, also known CB1, is a G protein-coupled cannabinoid receptor that is found in the brain and is activated by the psychoactive drug cannabis and its active compound THC and by a group of endocannabinoid neurotransmitters including anandamide.

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LEAP Asks McCain a Question
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Feb 11, 2008 8:36 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y80hDil6zEI
McCain and LEAP

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malarky
Posted by: LIttleLiz on Feb 15, 2008 11:40 AM   
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I have worked in the dental field for 18 years. the reasons for your teeth falling out are as follows; 1. lack of proper brushing and flossing, nobody brush's or floss's their teeth properly, a small percentage perhaps. 2.certain types of medications,(Rx's from your licensed doctor) mostly anti-depressants. they destroy the gums. 3.diet. 4. heredity, 5.speed or meth or even cocain. causes decay along the gum line. This is what I've seen over 18 years, and, oh, by the way, I have smoked marijuana for 38 years, I was at the top of my field, according to dentists that I worked for, I was one of the best assistants they ever had. Never sick, never late, extremely dependable, and really good at what I did.

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Brave New World
Posted by: pana on Feb 15, 2008 5:47 PM   
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We are living in a different kind of world these days, especially in the United States. The name of the game is CONTROL using fear and punishment.

Our fragile democracy is at risk while we bicker over stupid things like marijuana.

This ploy is being used to distract us from what is really going on -- selling our country to the highest bidder to make the 1% of 1% in this country even richer.

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There may be something to this.
Posted by: willymack on Feb 15, 2008 6:37 PM   
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Tha latest issue of Science News has an article about the subject. For those of you who don't know about Science News, it's a sister publication of Science, the oldest and one of the most respected scientific publication in this country. Whereas Science is targeted towards scientists with PHDs and is just a bit abstruse for us mere mortals, Science News is for those of us who skipped college, and is a weekly publication filled with bite-sized articles which are easier to comprehend and retain. They could always be wrong, of course, but they have a stellar record of excellence and accuracy.

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Read this book: Marijuana Myths Marijuana Facts, a review of the scientific evidence
Posted by: jimidee on Feb 18, 2008 11:59 AM   
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by Lynn Zimmer, PhD and John Morgan, MD. According to the American Medical Association, it is "An important contribution to the marijuana and drug policy literature."

According to William F. Buckley, Jr., it is "A remarkable book...a miracle of intellegent concision...Legislators who write marijuana laws and judges who sentence marijuana users should...consult this little book."

According to the peer reviewed science, pot is safer than bottled water...as you can die if you drink too much bottled water, and there is no toxic dose for marijuana.

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