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Latest Anti-Pot Quack Science: 'Marijuana Makes Your Teeth Fall Out'

By Bruce Mirken, AlterNet. Posted February 9, 2008.


A rash of new studies of marijuana has hit the mass media, generating absurd headlines like "Smoking Pot Rots Your Gums."

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Recent weeks have seen a rash of new studies of marijuana hitting the mass media, generating scary headlines like "Smoking Pot Rots Your Gums," "Cannabis Bigger Cancer Risk Than Cigarettes" and "Pot Withdrawal Similar to Quitting Cigarettes. Most of this coverage can be boiled down to a fairly simple equation:

Flawed science + uncritical reporting = misinformation.

Mercifully, the U.S. mass media were so distracted by Super Tuesday, Heath Ledger's autopsy and the latest Britney Spears trauma that reports of these studies didn't get as much play as they might have. That's good, because the research had significant gaps, and the reporting ranged from slapdash to flat wretched.

Lung cancer: One joint = 20 cigarettes?

The lung cancer study was the scariest. Since cigarettes are a known lung cancer risk, it seems plausible that marijuana might carry similar risks. In fact, most of the scientific evidence tends in the opposite direction -- though one would never know it from reading either the study or the Reuters wire story that got the heaviest circulation.

Conducted in New Zealand, this was what is called a "case-control" study, in which researchers looked at a group of patients who had lung cancer and compared them to a group without cancer -- the controls -- matched for age and other demographics. All were asked about various factors that might increase their lung cancer risk, including smoking cigarettes or marijuana. After running the data on 79 cancer cases and 324 controls through myriad equations and mathematical analyses, the researchers proclaimed that one joint packed a cancer risk roughly equal to 20 cigarettes -- an assertion that became Reuters' lead.

What was downplayed in the study, published in the European Respiratory Journal, and missing entirely from most media reports was context -- context that strongly suggests that its alarming conclusion is wrong.

For one thing, the new conflicts with other, much larger studies. In a study published in 1997, Kaiser-Permanente researchers followed 65,000 patients for 10 years and saw no sign of marijuana use increasing the risk of lung cancer or other smoking-related cancers. And a UCLA study similar in design to this one, published in 2006, found a trend toward lower lung cancer rates among marijuana smokers. Instead of 79 cancer cases, the UCLA team looked at 1,212. The result was so striking that they speculated that it "may reflect a protective effect of marijuana."

That's right: Marijuana might protect from cancer. Piles of published studies going back to the mid-1970s document the cancer-fighting properties of marijuana's active components, THC and other chemicals called cannabinoids. Anticancer activity has been shown in many types of malignant cells, including lung cancer cells. So even though marijuana smoke contains tars and other potentially carcinogenic compounds, it is entirely plausible that cannabinoids counter any harmful effects.

But even without such context, a closer look at the New Zealand data raises questions that should have been asked by reporters. For example, most marijuana smokers in the study actually didn't show an increased risk of cancer. The only group that did was those whose marijuana use equaled at least 10.5 "joint-years" (one joint-year equals smoking a joint every day for one year). That group constituted a whopping 14 people. All those complicated mathematical models leading to the "20 times the risk" assertion, and contradicting reams of published research, rest on exactly 14 people.

Does marijuana rot your gums?

The gum disease study was even more tenuous, but again you would never know it from most of the coverage. Researchers -- also in New Zealand -- followed 903 participants from birth through age 32. At ages 18, 21, 26 and 32, they were asked whether they had used marijuana in the past year, and how often. The heaviest marijuana users had a 60 percent increased risk for gum disease after controlling for several factors that might affect their risk, including cigarette use and professional dental care.


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It about free thinking...
Posted by: Obijuan on Feb 9, 2008 12:54 AM   
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In every situation I have come across, grass can be directly linked to free thinking. This is to be avoided at all costs in the new America.

Trust me, this isn't about protecting citizens' health. If it was, we would have prohibited tobacco by now.

This is about freedom: depriving people of their understanding of it, and their desire to have it.

I'll be staying far far away from the homeland, I assure you.

obi

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» RE: It about free thinking... Posted by: Shenonymous
» pot opens your mind Posted by: Sapator J Cleck
Lets end this nonsense already, please.
Posted by: pyramid on Feb 9, 2008 1:06 AM   
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I hear if the drug czar sees his shadow on 4/20 it means 6 more years of prohibition.

It might make your teeth fall out. Seriously? And we need to put people in jail or prison for this?

It might be as hard to quit as cigarettes? So, does that mean it should be as illegal as cigarettes?

It might give you cancer? Well no product that could ever potentially give you cancer could ever be legal, could it?

If this is seriously the best they can come up with then WHY ISN'T THIS $#!+ LEGAL, TAXED AND REGULATED ALREADY?

C'mon people, how is this nonsense helping us? Is any of this a reason to put anyone in jail or prison? Isn't 70 years of this enough already? How many millions of young people do we need to arrest and disenfranchise in the misguided notion that we are somehow helping them? How much longer must we allow our politicians to sustain the very black markets, crime and violence that plague our world just so they can pretend to be "tough on crime" and continue this madness?

PLEASE. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY.

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» excellent comment Posted by: deborama
a pissing contest between two sets of truth
Posted by: Richard House on Feb 9, 2008 3:08 AM   
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weed advocates and those who are against it are in an endless contest. each side has studies to prove they are right. but weed does contain carcinogens, and possibly more than cigarettes. nevertheless, each individual should have the right to kill themselves off in a manner they feel is right for them.

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» RE: a pissing contest between two sets of truth Posted by: twocentsadjustedforinflation
» Weed = Death????? Posted by: Fencerider
Each time you smoke pot...
Posted by: chomsky on Feb 9, 2008 3:34 AM   
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Each time you smoke pot... God kills a puppy!!!

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» RE: each time you smoke pot... Posted by: bitsfick
» RE: each time you smoke pot... Posted by: John Annis
» RE: Each time you smoke pot... Posted by: John Annis
» RE: ach time you smoke pot... Posted by: Birdperson
» RE: ach time you smoke pot... Posted by: buffeliscious
This whole
Posted by: bitsfick on Feb 9, 2008 3:50 AM   
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pot smoking is bad thing is just an outgrowth of our puritanical mentality. We can't have anyone having a good time, because it's -------well.....never mind why, we just don't want anyone enjoying themselves. I think it is called transference, I transfer all my hangups, phobias etc to you, and then punish you for my inability to deal with my problems. On a construction job one day I listened to a mason, who hadn't drawn a sober breath in 30 years, berate a younger man for smoking pot.

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Anslinger again
Posted by: farmertx on Feb 9, 2008 3:50 AM   
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Shades of Harry Anslinger and old man Hurst.
Considering how many actually believed that the Shrub was the answer, instead of the problem, it isn't surprising that this will get some belief also.
This old man knew that Marijuana would be legal, and taxed, like tobacco by now. 'Course, I also knew that there was no way the Shrub could be President, too.
Strangely, it took a Republican Governor here in Texas to lessen the criminal penalties for possession. You still go to prison, just not for 40+ years.
A bud of mine, back in '69, caught 40 years for providing a Narc one joint at Lee Park.
Now, the cop would take the joint and smoke it himself and tell you to stay away.

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drug use IS linked to low social standing in a hierarchical society
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 9, 2008 4:31 AM   
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Bruce K Alexander's underreported Rat Park study (use the Canadian Parliament's search facility) showed that opiates are not addictive. When viewing experiments of rats scampering over an electric grid to get a hit, he observed that he would probably do the same if he lived alone in a cramped and comfortless cage.

He and his colleagues constructed a spacious living area where rats could socialize, mate, play and nurse their young. When offered a choice between plain water and an opiate-laced water, the rats chose the plain water. Moral of the story? Creatures who are happy don't want to blur their reality.

Smoking tobacco or marijuana may be a habit (with positive and negative health consequences), but it's not an addiction. Creating a more equalitarian society would reduce all drug use, including the use of alcohol.

Of course there are people with vested interests in maintaining poverty, ill health and crime. Keeping the public ignorant and confused maintains or even worsens the status quo.

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» This is interesting ... Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: This is interesting ... Posted by: Cybershaman
A Little History
Posted by: Sparks56 on Feb 9, 2008 4:58 AM   
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Legalized pot threatens two huge and influencial multi-billion dollar industries; Big Pharma and Big Booze. It was during Prohibition that the liquor industry created the myth about the "Killer Weed". They knew booze was going to be legal again and they didn't want people to find a replacement in the meantime. Since everyone knew about liquor and few knew about pot, this was easy to do. The myth was seriously challenged by the Sixties counter culture but by then the liquor people had new help in keeping it alive; Big Pharma. Legalized marijuana could replace a lot of very profitable drugs; both over the counter and prescription. (What legalized pot could do to the huge anti-depressant market alone motivates the drug industry to climb on the "Killer Weed" band wagon.) There could never be a real legalized pot "industry". It could never be controlled or taxed. If pot were legal you couldn't give it away; it's too easy to grow. No profits, no taxes, no control, and evaporating billion dollar markets. Gotta keep the myth alive! Can't turn the clydesdales into plow horses.

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» The answer is..... Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: A Little History Posted by: froghat
» RE: A Little History Posted by: Chas073
Good Journalism
Posted by: PaulK on Feb 9, 2008 5:04 AM   
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The author found an entire collection of howlers, a trend, where we distort our thinking to satisfy a political goal.

"She turned me into a newt! -- I got better."

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» RE: Good Journalism Posted by: Shenonymous
SCARED TO LIVE
Posted by: RODNOX on Feb 9, 2008 5:11 AM   
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WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE JUST SO SCARED TO LIVE ?---SOME SAY CONSERVATIVE-REPUBLICAN--NEOCONS ARE SCARED TO LIVE--SCARED TO DIE..........THATS WHY THEY TELL US ALL HOW TO LIVE---WHILE HYPOCRITICALLY CHEATING DUE TO NATURAL URGES.........AS USUAL WITH BOGUS STUDIES--LIKE THOSE OF GLOBAL WARMING BEING FINANCED BY EXXON AND FRIENDS----WE WILL PROBABLY FIND THIS STUDY WAS FINANCED BY RELIGOUS WACKOS OR SOME CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK....

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» RE: SCARED TO LIVE Posted by: Sparks56
» Studies Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: SCARED TO LIVE Posted by: toddcory
» RE: SCARED TO LIVE Posted by: Cybershaman
Life is full of absurdities
Posted by: Shenonymous on Feb 9, 2008 5:16 AM   
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But is there anything more laughable?

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Tsk! So easy to refute!
Posted by: Longdream on Feb 9, 2008 5:27 AM   
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WILL EVERYBODY WHO STILL HAS THEIR TEETH PLEASE RAISE THEIR HAND?

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Decriminalize NOW!
Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 9, 2008 5:43 AM   
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As the first poster said, pot and free-thinking go together. Who would have thought - 40 years ago while smoking joints in college - that marijuana would still be cause to be arrested? It is hard to believe that many of our "lawmakers" were not potsmokers once upon a time. GWB was a real party animal.

No, it's about control and surveillance, and this has got to stop. It is one of the many reasons that I am running for Senate in New York State.

Please help me out by participating in my Facebook group until my website is launched later this spring.

Let peace begin with me...

Michael W. Lurie for U.S. Senate - please join and check it out.

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» RE:He conveniently forgot Posted by: Sushi
The CIA & Marijuana Connection
Posted by: TarryFaster on Feb 9, 2008 5:50 AM   
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Click here for a video on the connection between the CIA and drugs.

However, this all goes deeper than that! Look at who is behind the CIA by clicking here.

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» RE: The CIA & Marijuana Connection Posted by: TarryFaster
Mean Spirited People.......use the word "pothead"
Posted by: picket on Feb 9, 2008 6:06 AM   
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as a degrading insult. When American adults finally grow up and are able to confide in their uninformed elders that they do not think Cannabis is in anyway akin to REEFER MADNESS theology....THEN...the lies can be debated around "thinking people".

Stand up and be brave around those that throw around "pothead" in such a loose manner. Adults that are still in the closet are parents and grandparents themselves now. Gram and Gramp have been around and won't make an honest discussion a big deal!!!

If left to their own devices, Authoritarian Figures, will continue to demonize Cannabis, and the lives of otherwise innocent citizens will continue to be ruined.

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» Great comment! Posted by: Coleman
Don't You Have to Be Pretty Stupid to Believe This?
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 9, 2008 6:14 AM   
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We've heard all this before, going back to the so-called "Reefer Madness," the 1936 propaganda film about marijuana. But, it seems the need for scapegoats and whipping boys won't stop. The dangers of a plant that can be grown in your backyard. Amplified to a crescendo to help justify the endless billions spent on a stupid and idiotic "war on drugs." But, seriously, just who could be stupid enough to believe the increasingly fantastic propaganda about the "dangers" of marijuana?

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As ridiculous
Posted by: Gravitas on Feb 9, 2008 6:16 AM   
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As ridiculous as the assertion by one of Oprah's guest that clutter makes one fat. Apparently there is NO limit to the gullibility of the U.S. public!

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my own experience [of 38 years use] at 53
Posted by: Zuma on Feb 9, 2008 6:30 AM   
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since 1970 i've used coffee, tobacco, and cannabis purposefully for writing and illustrating. before doing so, i thought long and hard. correctly, i sensed i'd never marry or sire children. i knew the risks of tobacco but found the consequences worth what it gave; antipsychotic properties, natural opiates, general stimulation and upper mental stimulation in particular. coffee likewise but to lesser heights and crudely more broadly. i only smoke and drink while working, not 'recreationally'. my gums have seriously receded. for years, my dentist chalked it up to the cigarettes. when i ask about cannabis, he has no firm conclusion but discounts nothing. my straight older brother smoked as much as i but did not drink such much coffee and did not use cannabis at all -and did not suffer such gum loss. or hair loss for that matter...

perforced to eschew cannabis for most of the year 2000 and this past summer, i do notice it's effects on my mouth when returning to use.

it is of course exceedingly worth it as i have consciously and deliberately Used it all these years, aware of such costs and others as yet unknown, to [externally corroborated] conspicuous advantage. the mental difference is altogether; a stoned intellect serves such purpose. (set and setting matter in psychotropics as they do with psychedelics; i wouldn't recommend living a stoned life of mind without a pointed dedication to it.) the ego dissolving aspects are beneficial but many, drunk on power, alcohol, or testosterone may disagree. so, it's hard to objectively judge. the stoned culture may well corroborate but that can be taken as self-serving; it is not. creativity explodes with cannabis use and cultural reflects this, but straight society can argue bias.

conventional reality isn't the issue, the convention itself is, but i digress slightly. i say to be free of such box, to see such contrast, is worth it, worth receded gums. my teeth are there -my hair is another matter!

stoners of all generations and nationalities historically know through our literature the absurdity of the claim of addiction. it *is* addictive -as are cats. cat withdrawal is about on par. runners are far far more addicted to their running...

earth gives us what she does purposefully. scientists only now begin to understand she is alive and has a health to be maintained or diminished, with a temperament and character along with that. our race between enlightenment and catastrophe, our comprehension and apprehension of Ego, is helped by cannabis.

many now believe in Entheogenics, that largely what empowered us creatively was an occurence a long time ago of psychedelic and psychotropic encounter. we are sovereign consciousnesses and consciences and have an inalienable to such communion with earth.

it may well be we should be simply be eating it cooked rather than smoking it.

as even psychedelics are now assayed and reviewed less hysterically and more clinically, psychotropics too are just beginning to be. it may yet be a while before sane assessment can be broadly attempted, much less arrive at a consensus.

the world is indeed run by mindless force, but stoned products remain. one needn't have smoked to dig jazz, subversive thing that it is...

cannabis itself isn't the issue directly, Entheogenics is. Alcohol, ego, sugar, power intoxication -these are similar things, related to each other. Food Of The Gods by Terence Mckenna relays much history to be considered.

http://zuma.vip.warped.com/z/#reefer

http://zuma.usmjparty.com/

http://zuma.usmjparty.com/#alternet

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Marijuana Causes Jobs To Move To China And Mexico
Posted by: hole11 on Feb 9, 2008 6:35 AM   
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We can safely blame marijuana for everything. I heard a voter really voted for the bush.

Most people only pay attention to the latest soap opera anyways. News is nothing new anymore. Just rehash of the same thing with different names. You ever hear of them getting all sides of a story anymore? I don't.

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Smoking Pot Rots Your Gums ?
Posted by: Oryoki on Feb 9, 2008 6:38 AM   
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So, don't smoke it - eat it in brownies! Some have say ingesting provides a better and longer lasting buzz. But be sure to brush your teeth afterwards so the sugar doesn't rot your teeth.

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Marijuana use
Posted by: jw56 on Feb 9, 2008 6:44 AM   
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I smoked pot practically every day for eighteen years between the ages of 18 and 36. That was fifteen years ago. After twelve years of not smoking weed I went to a concert and took a hit when a pipe was passed to me by a friend. I had a buzz for three days. In the past three years I've taken two or three hits when it was offered. I still enjoy it, but I don't feel compelled to begin smoking it regularly.

When I was younger smoking a joint would sober me up when I was drunk. Smoking weed didn't interfere with work. I met interesting people I wouldn't have talked to unless I was high. I was exposed to history, literature, music, and nonconformist ideas that I wouldn't have learned if I remained in the mainstream. The authorities want to keep marijuana illegal. Think about it. They have the technology available to prohit marijuana farming, but they won't do it on a large scale because they have money invested in the underground drug trade. They keep the propaganda mill going about marijuana use because they don't want too many free thinkers walking around.

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» RE: Marijuana use Posted by: BAKslider
Pot Turns You Into A Republican and Either Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter!
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 9, 2008 6:52 AM   
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I've heard if you smoke pot it turns you into a Republican. If you are female, you start to look and talk like Ann Coulter, if you are a guy, you start to look and talk like Rush Limbaugh,...

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Victimless Crimes
Posted by: freshlemon on Feb 9, 2008 7:10 AM   
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This whole fiasco of criminal pot use is absurd. When did you last read or hear about a pot smoker killing whole families in automobile accidents.or going on a rampage of destruction in their neighborhoods, or killing their family or the corner store owner over pot? It is so easy to grow that nobody even needs a dealer to get it except in a police state where the need for controlling other people's lives is a sickness in its own right.

Real victims are created every day because of alcohol,money,religion and politics. We can even wipe out whole countries and cultures, persecute,torture and kill people in the name of religion, government and money. All you have to do to find out about the victims of alcohol use is read the daily newspaper or listen to news reports...or visit a local bar to view the release of inner demons.

In my 40+ years of potsmoking experience, pot smokers can usually be found in a relaxed state contemplating and talking about all the mysteries of life. Oh, yes, I have all of my own teeth and don't feel compelled to search for a joint if none is easily available. I also don't have cancer, but wouldn't be surprised if I did happen to get it because of food additives, vehicle emissions, industrial waste and pollution, etc.

True, I wouldn't want the pilot of a plane I was in to be high on anything. Testing of people in critical positions,however, would be a lot less expensive and safer for everyone than this endless campaign to criminalize the use of pot throughout society.

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» RE: Victimless Crimes Posted by: tpwebb
» Understand your audience Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Nuts! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Nuts! Posted by: atka
» RE: Nuts! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Victimless Crimes: And Posted by: SamFox
Where are all the studies on alcohol?
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Feb 9, 2008 7:26 AM   
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Alcohol is far more dangerous than any illegal drug, and even though it's not as deadly as cigarettes, it has a much greater potential to ruin people's lives during the time they're alive. If authorities want to whine about substance abuse to escape reality, alcohol is culprit #1.

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» RE: Where are all the studies on alcohol? Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
When you live in a country...
Posted by: VickyinSD on Feb 9, 2008 7:33 AM   
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who's administration surpresses the truth, twisting and distorting it to suit their own needs, what do you expect the govt. controlled press to report... the real truth?

We don't see the funerals or the flag drapped coffins of our fallen youth on TV or in the papers because our govt. doesn't want us to, and it's those same news sources who spread propaganda like this because it suits the needs of the govt.!

When freedom of the press is really free, we might start hearing the truth.

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More reefer madness
Posted by: outlander55 on Feb 9, 2008 8:08 AM   
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If you want to look at it from a religious standpoint;
Man makes alcohol and thousands die from it each year.
God (Mother Nature) makes weed and we never hear of pot deaths.
Who do you trust?

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» RE: More reefer madness Posted by: bookie
» From A Religious Standpoint Posted by: BAKslider
» RE: From A Religious Standpoint Posted by: aonghus36
"A joint = 20 cigarettes" (???)
Posted by: sslyon on Feb 9, 2008 8:13 AM   
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This kind of nonsense has been going on since the 60's; I was there and I know first hand. There is one easy way to debunk it: check the epidemiology studies conducted in using populations, both localized within non-using cultures and cultures around the world with long histories of use, both recreationally and for ritual.
To date there can be found absolutely no basis for the fear mongering and there is at least some strong suggestion of beneficial effects. Of course the latter is least likely to get the publicity.

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If they really cared about teeth rotting, then
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 9, 2008 8:36 AM   
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they should be banning junk food all the way as that rots one's teeth far more than marijuana can be proven to. Until we progressive stop buying into the reefer madness, this country of ours will be stuck in hell with scumbags the likes of Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush I and II, etc ... as our MISleaders and with a worthless Congress and fucked up agencies all stacked up against us all. ABOLISH THE DEA !

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Magic Goodness
Posted by: ericthefool on Feb 9, 2008 8:47 AM   
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I work with the mentally ill. We go to see the Doctor about every 4-6 weeks, because something is always wrong with their medications. Tolerance, bad side effects, dependence, and psychosis are always involved. What do they do? Stack another med on, increase, double, stack, stack, stack...o

I would say about 75% of my case load smokes marijuana. I will say that about 90% of them are doing great. They use marijuana to stop voices, stop panic attacks, relax, or to feel normal. I can't imagine what it would be like to hear voices...and while the Doc takes 3-6 months to figure out what conglomeration of pills they should be on, they could have just prescribed marijuana and we would have fixed the problem long ago.

Marijuana will never be legal. There is no way the Gov't could regulate it or tax it. I also agree that it has something to do with 'free thinking' as well. But we can still hope.

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Thank you
Posted by: g50 on Feb 9, 2008 9:47 AM   
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For reporting these facts. I have to admit, that I read these headlines and was worried. You see, I read hundreds of news sources a day - I guess I'm an info junky? - but there is not always this kind of critical eye, such that, for example, you can come away with this story with the wrong impression. So - THANKS! Tasty information!

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» RE: If you want the truth Posted by: VickyinSD
Pot will never be legal
Posted by: GuyCybershy on Feb 9, 2008 9:49 AM   
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If pot were legal people could easily grow enough for their own consumption. It is also a threat to tobacco and alcohol. This is the resaon pot will remain illegal, it has absolutely nothing to do with health.
I recall a few years ago reading about a british study which claimed pot might prevent alzheimers. The media buried it of course.

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Reading all this crap they spew
Posted by: donl51 on Feb 9, 2008 10:14 AM   
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Rots your mind,drops your IQ to the low double digits and any media oulet such as Fox Noise or other that seriusly reports this garbage should be buried deep in cat poop!Things are bad out there so its easier for the Gov.to find a starving lab that'll tell you milk is the gateway vehicle to marijuanna.Who ever is really behind all this propaganda has little or no faith that people do have and at times use their freaking brains.I did an official study on the DEA and police,both local and state and have determined you need to 'at least' be able to read on a 3rd grade level,but listening unquestionably to orders is all important.and if you destroy an innocents life ,its not your fault,it's theirs! It's going to get worse,but in all honesty I believe they're getting desperite!

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Major weakness in these studies
Posted by: Dboy on Feb 9, 2008 10:30 AM   
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The major weakness in these studies is that they are almost always zeroing in on the method of use, NOT the plant itself. As one post mentioned, you can make things like brownies and cookies, which work very well. The THC is extracted by the fats in brownies or other baked goods in a much more efficent way than by burning the leaf in smoking. Medical users are now using vaporizers, which are also very good at extracting THC, compared to water pipes or joints. You'll find that most of these studies end up being a sham, funded by a group with an agenda (non-scientific by definition), and are used as propaganda tools. Taking cannabis for personal use is an issue of personal freedom, and is used as a tool by the state to illustrate their power, nothing more. It's almost laughable that we are expected to believe that government or institutions honestly care about public health.

dboy

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teeth & gums
Posted by: kiel on Feb 9, 2008 10:43 AM   
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Didn't have a cavity till I was 40. The dentist can't even make my gums bleed.
What a crock.

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Big Pharma feeds off B8ig Tobackgo -- and both fear cannabis!
Posted by: tokerdesigner on Feb 9, 2008 10:44 AM   
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Big Pharma feeds off Big Tobackgo, and both fear cannabis

In descending order:

2. If cannabis were legalized, some tobacco cigaret users might succeed in quitting, but

1. Worst of all-- the rational practice among many cannabis users of burning a mini-dose (25 mg.) in a single-toke utensil might spill over into the slave overdose tobacco-cigaret population, and millions of pack-a-day addicts now spending $2000 a year, once free of the fear of being prosecuted for owning the utensil, would convert to using up less than one 700-mg. cigaret a day, bankrupting Big Tobackgo.

B. As the previous commentator points out, garden-grown marijuana may substitute for many big-profit drugs, but

A. Worst of all, if after millions of continuing tobacco smokers switch from the 700-mg. overdose to a 25-mg. utensil, the drastic drop in cigaret-related illnesses happens as I confidently expect, there will be a corresponding drastic drop in demand for many big-profit drugs and treatments for cigaret-related illnesses and a substantial part of Big Pharma will be bankrupted.

What to do now: go out to the garage and make your first 25-mg.-serving-size utensil out of a quarter-inch i.d. socket wrench, or buy a kiseru on the internet for $700 yen, and show 20 of your cigaret-addicted friends how to use the utensil to decimate their habit. (Besides yourself getting 800-900 25-mg. single tokes out of a properly sifted ounce of miraclewonder.)

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