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Dem Latino Vote Is No One's Big Enchilada

By Roberto Lovato, New America Media. Posted February 9, 2008.


A careful look at Super Tuesday's Latino vote shows it was not monolithic -- it was segmented across regional and other demographic lines.

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Asked on Super Duper Tuesday to choose between a black candidate and a white candidate, Latinos chose both -- and neither.

"The candidates need to understand where Latinos stand," says Smithe Celestrin, 31, standing outside Public School 24 in Brooklyn's diverse working class neighborhood of Sunset Park. Celestrin, a dark-skinned Puerto Rican-French-Chinese digital advertising manager, says her main issues are the war, the economy and immigration. "This is our country and we will have our say in it."

In a Democratic contest in which the issue of race has played a definitive role, racially fluid and ambiguous Latinos like Celestrin delivered a loud and historic message to the candidates and pundits and to the country as a whole: the black-white electorate of yesteryear is dead.

Preliminary results of the most intense primary in recent memory indicate that predictions of a monolithic Latino "firewall" for Clinton have fallen short. The candidates split key Latino-heavy states in different parts of the country. Clinton won states like New York, California and New Jersey while Obama won states like Colorado and Illinois.

Exit poll results also demolished widely-held notions that Latinos are unwilling to support a black candidate. Obama succeeded in cutting Clinton's 4-to-1 Latino advantage (68 percent to 17 percent according to a CNN poll conducted last week) to 3-2 last night. And in almost every Latino-heavy state that voted on Super Tuesday, Obama received more than the 26 percent of the Latino vote he got in Nevada just two weeks ago.

Analysis of Latino voting patterns indicates that Latinos did not, as predicted, march monolithically into the voting booths to vote according to the candidate's skin color. Instead, the Latino vote segmented along other vectors, the most interesting of which is the regional vector.

In what appears to be the development of a Latino voter regionalism, the vote varied depending on what part of the country (and in some cases what part of a state) the vote was cast. For example, while Clinton secured 74 percent of the Latino vote in her home state of New York, available data also indicates that Obama won 59 percent of the 30- to 44-year-olds, the largest age bloc, in his home state of Illinois' Latino electorate.

Obama won important Latino votes -- and delegates -- in Colorado, Arizona and other states where Clinton was expected to overwhelm him. With the support of New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez and other members of the Latino political machine nurtured by her husband, the former president, Clinton won more than 60 percent of the Latino electorate in states like New Jersey and New York. And regardless of the final tallies in California, the Latino electorate has already proven to be a powerful, new and greatly misunderstood segment of a multi-hued electorate of the United States.

"Candidates are spending tens of millions of dollars trying to capture the attention of Latino voters, mostly in the Spanish-language media," said Maria Teresa Petersen, the executive director of Voto Latino, a nonpartisan voter registration organization that also uses technology and pop culture to promote the political participation of new Latino voters. "But what the campaigns haven't figured out is that 79 percent of the 18 million eligible Latino voters consume media in English," said Petersen.

Analysts like Petersen, whose organization registered more than 7,500 young voters this past January, agree that the youthfulness of the Latino vote guarantees that this vote will continue to see great flux. "Exactly 50 percent of the 18 million voters eligible to vote are under 50 years old. And this is a generation growing up in the era of anti-immigrant politics. This is why they marched and this is why they are voting. Immigration is more than an issue. It's a great catalyst. The candidate who understands this will win the Latino vote in the future, including the near future."

As the highly contested Democratic primary rages beyond Super Duper Tuesday states, Latinos will continue to play critical roles, especially in tight races, according to Antonio Gonzalez, the president of the California-based William C. Velasquez Institute.

"The big enchilada will be Texas, followed by mid-sized states where Latinos are about 5 percent of the vote, states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Maryland and Washington," said Gonzalez. "It's going to continue to be very interesting," said a smiling Gonzalez. "On the one hand," he added, "Latinos are clearly trending towards Obama who overcame a 27 point difference nationally. But, on the other hand, Clinton still won several states with (Latino) margins of more than 50 percent."

If Clinton's Latino advantage holds and if the trend, especially among young Latinos, favoring Obama continues, understanding the fluidity of the very racially and ethnically diverse Latino electorate will be mission critical to success well into November's general election.

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Roberto Lovato is a New York-based writer with New America Media.

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HR 676 Universal Health Care For All
Posted by: jacksmith on Feb 9, 2008 1:38 AM   
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Bottom Line:

Like all of you. I know that health care is the most critical, and important issue facing the American people. Now, and in the coming elections. And like the vast majority of the American people, I want HR 676 (Medicare For All) passed into law NOW! "Single payer, Tax Supported, Not For Profit, True Universal Health Care" free for all as a right. Like every other developed country in the world has. See: http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676.htm

“HR 676:
For church goers: less money to insur. companies and more to the church- lots more.
Srs on Medicare: save way over $100/wk. Because no more medigap, long term care & dental insur. needed. No more drug bills.”

But if we the American people fail to bring enough pressure on our current politicians to get HR 676 passed into law before the elections. We will have to identify, and replace all the politicians standing in the way of passage of HR 676. And, I think the best first place to start is with the politicians that blocked the bipartisan SCHIP bills for the kids. Passed by congress four times.

But what about the President. It was Bush after all that blocked the bipartisan SCHIP bill passed by congress to assure more health coverage for Americas kids. So which of the presidential hopefuls do I think will be most supportive of implementing the demand of the majority of the American people to have HR 676 (Medicare For All) passed into law immediately!

We have some very fine presidential candidates who would make good presidents. But none of the top Presidential candidates directly support HR 676, the only true Universal Health Care plan. So I am supporting Hillary Clinton. She is the only top candidate that has ever actually fought for universal health care before.

I have enormous admiration, and respect for Hillary Clinton. She fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds back in 1993. To prevent this disastrous health care crisis that is now devastating the American people, and America. She fought so hard for the American people that she risk almost completely destroying her husbands presidency. I haven't forgotten her heroic effort. If any Presidential hopeful for universal health care deserves my support, it's her.

Also, if we the American people fail to bring enough pressure on our government to give us HR 676 which we all so desperately need NOW! Then we will need the most skilled politician we can get on our side to broker the best health care plan for the American people that we can get. Though it will be less than we need, and less than we deserve. The politician I think to best do this is Hillary Clinton. The Clinton's are probably the most skilled politicians in American history.

The insurance industry, and medical industry that has been ripping you off, and killing you has given Hillary Clinton so much money because they fear her. They have also given Barack Obama so much money because they fear Hillary Clinton. They think they can manipulate Barack Obama against the best interest of the American people better than they can manipulate Hillary Clinton. There is no race issue with Hillary Clinton. The Clinton's are the poster family for how African Americans want white people to be towards African Americans.

As always, African Americans are suffering, and dieing in this health care crisis at a much higher rate than any other group in America. The last time there was any significant drop in the African American death rate was when Bill Clinton was president.

My fellow Americans, you are dieing needlessly at an astounding rate. In higher numbers than any other people in the developed world. Rich, and poor a like. Insured, and uninsured. Young, and old. Men, women, children, and babies. And we the American people must stop it. And fix it NOW! Keep Fighting!!! Never! give up hope.

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Operation GATEKEEPER! NAFTA!!!
Posted by: DigitalAztec on Feb 9, 2008 3:52 AM   
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No self respecting "Latino" would vote for Clinton. In the Feb. 1st Debate vs. Obama, Clinton stated that illegal immigrant lower wages and hurt black workers. She should be thankful those workers are there. First, they are an attractive lure for any manufacturing business who might be thinking of relocating; second, a steady supply of low wage workers actually helps prevent companies from packing up and leaving. This does not hurt black worker but actually helps all workers in the area where low wage migrants reside.

In contrast, Obama said he simply would not get involved in "scapegoating."

I am 100% Chicano and Obama gets my vote!

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My pollster is RiceNBeans.org. Who's yours?
Posted by: Longdream on Feb 9, 2008 5:35 AM   
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"...Latinos did not, as predicted, march monolithically into the voting booths to vote according to the candidate's skin color."

DUH!

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Eventually,
Posted by: FedUp on Feb 9, 2008 9:29 AM   
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albeit reluctantly, anglos will have to come to terms with their seemingly hardwired notions and stereotypes of Latinos.
Who knows, perhaps politically motivated greed for power, such as the current lot of politicians exhibit, will do more to unravel the mystery of Latino identity.

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Reality Injection
Posted by: desidid on Feb 10, 2008 6:31 AM   
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Is it possible that Hispanics breakdown within the group the same way they would breakdown in general? In other words many White Hispanics would identify with other Whites and, therefore vote along those lines. To ignore this possibility is to ignore everything that has driven this country up to this point. I personally feel the discourse around Hispanic identity has been less than honest. If this dishonesty weren't part and parcel in line with America's racial and ethnic discourse it would be troublesome to me. Because it completely follows a pattern that can be found throughout our history it feels like business as usual.

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Latinos
Posted by: RobNLA on Feb 10, 2008 8:54 AM   
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You can't really assume Latinos will support one candidate or another. This is because the Latino community is as diverse as any other community.
In terms of income level, yes many are poverty level, especially if they are first generation. However, many second or third generation Latinos are middle and upper middle class.
Politically, some are Republican and some are Democrat. However, I think the Illegal immigration issue is pushing more towards Democrat recently.
Overall I think Obama will continue to gain momentum because some of Clinton's support has appeared to be soft not just among Latinos, but across the board.

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» RE: Latinos Posted by: DONA ELVIRA
» RE: Latinos Posted by: desidid
my wishes
Posted by: steven w on Feb 11, 2008 7:43 AM   
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I wish that Latinos would not be as complicit as they are with low wages. The major corporations love immigration to keep wages low regardless of which political party is in power. They do not care about that. They have a bunch of them paid off on each side of the isle.

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Clinton is the only Dem that can win
Posted by: JavierGarcia on Feb 11, 2008 12:29 PM   
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I am Latino and the feeling I get from my community is that Obama has no chance of getting the Latino vote. This is very dangerous territory for the Democrats because if they end up electing him, they will lose the general election to McCain. Meanwhile Clinton would beat McCain because most people passionately love Clinton in my community. As the name Gandhi is to peace, Clinton is to leadership.

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bleve
Posted by: bleve on Feb 11, 2008 3:38 PM   
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Its the simple minded media that likes to think Latinos/Hispanics can be grouped into one category.

If you've ever traveled across this country and actually talked to "Latinos" you would know there are at least ten groups within that label and sub groups of those. Texas latinos don't think like latinos in Miami. Hispanics in New Mexico don't think like th Mexican-Americans in Los Angeles. New York latino's don't have a latino hotline to those in Arizona.

To speak as if all latinos would vote the same, or to ponder what one needs to do to "capture the latino vote" shows a willful ignorance and not so hidden racism.

For all the demographic breakdown the media outlets do one would think they could figure this very simple observation out.

I wonder who's gonna capture the white vote? What's that you say... they vote differently, who would of thought, them whites are getting harder and harder to pin down.

Morons.

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