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Super Tuesday: Where's the Candidate That Represents Me?
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On Tsunami Tuesday, Feb. 5, I was really hoping to have the opportunity to vote for what I want.
For years, the presidential primary here in California, where nearly 13 percent of all Americans reside, was not held until June. This consistently meant that election after election, nearly 13 percent of all Americans exercised absolutely no influence at all on the selection of the Republican and Democratic presidential nominees.
However, when my state this year joined more than 20 others in scheduling our primary for the first week in February, many of us hoped that, at last, we would be able to vote on a full field of candidates who would come before us debating the full range of issues confronting our nation and our world.
No such luck.
With only seven primaries or caucuses down for the Republicans, and a mere four for the Democrats, most of the original candidates, in both parties, are already gone. Before even the end of January, the Republican field had been whittled down to just four candidates and the Democrats down to just two.
So in the end, tens of millions of voters, in both parties, in more than 40 states, will simply not have the opportunity to cast a vote for their first choice for president.
This disenfranchisement was particularly excruciating, after last Wednesday's withdrawal of John Edwards, for what the late Paul Wellstone called "the Democratic wing of the Democratic party." That wing is hardly insubstantial. Progressive Democrats of America claims to be the fastest-growing political advocacy group in the country. The new Air America radio network is thriving. Millions of "netroots" citizens, every day, not only visit websites like AlterNet, Common Dreams, DailyKos, and MoveOn -- but also use them to generate collective political action.
But not one of us will have the opportunity next Tuesday to express our political sentiments by voting for an unambiguously progressive presidential candidate.
This profoundly undemocratic dynamic hardly applies only to those who share my politics. The same frustrations will be severe next Tuesday for conservative voters who might have wanted to vote for candidates like, oh, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter. I have little more than contempt for voters whose primary political agenda is to bash immigrants. Nevertheless, our democracy is hardly well served when most of those voters, nationwide, never get the opportunity to express those sentiments by casting a vote for Tom Tancredo.
Votes cast for longshot candidates in both parties could have had an enormous impact on the health of our democracy ... if only those candidates had not been forced out so early. If all voters nationwide had the chance to cast votes for all candidates, they could send powerful messages to the eventual nominees about what they hope to see incorporated into both party platforms and the next presidency. If certain candidates failed but still did well nationwide, or even "better than expected" -- in money, in volunteers and in votes -- then the nominee might have concluded that there was a critical mass of support for the things that candidate was about.
But not if virtually all the candidates are gone before the end of January.
In addition, if the primaries and caucuses in this volatile political season do not decisively settle on party candidates, the results will be hammered out at the conventions -- in Denver in August for the Democrats, in St. Paul in September for the Republicans. If 2008 sees the first brokered conventions in a generation, failed candidates, wielding small but critical contingents of delegates, could have emerged as the crucial powerbrokers in choosing the nominees. Although most had given up on him actually winning the nomination, that was certainly the scenario many Edwards supporters had begun to envision after the results came in from two state primaries and two state caucuses.
But then he dropped out before the end of January.
D.H. Lawrence said, "The ideas of one generation become the instincts of the next." History tells us that the American electorate is hardly set in stone -- 45 percent hard left, 45 percent hard right, and an all-coveted 10 percent "in the center." The center has moved over time. Those of us on the left know that a great many ideas and initiatives that were once considered far out -- women's rights, civil rights, human rights, gay rights, labor protections, environmental protections -- are now much more in the mainstream, much more commonly accepted, much more now "centrist." And votes for candidates who espouse positions outside the mainstream, beyond the contemporary boundaries of political discourse, can be votes to shift the center of gravity of the public policy debate.
Unless they leave the race before the end of January.
Failed presidential campaigns, many times in the past, have helped to drive the engines of American history. The American people did not elect Eugene McCarthy or Bobby Kennedy as president in 1968. However, their candidacies had an enormous impact on bringing a unilateral, illegal and very unwise war of choice to an end. "Fear not the path of truth," said Kennedy, repeatedly during his campaign, "for the lack of people yet walking on it."
The American people did not elect Adlai Stevenson as president in 1952 or 1956. However, the Illinois governor was distressed to learn that atmospheric nuclear tests were raining radioactive poisons upon plants and animals and human beings practically everywhere on Earth. So he made a nuclear test ban one of the strongest planks of his 1956 campaign. That helped to build a worldwide citizens movement, joined by moral giants like Albert Einstein, Norman Cousins, Bertrand Russell, Linus Pauling and Albert Schweitzer, that produced the Limited Test Ban Treaty signed by John F. Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev in 1963.
And perhaps the best example is Eugene Debs himself. In five campaigns, he talked about women's suffrage, child labor, workplace safety in the mines and the factories and the railroad yards, economic justice, a world without war. In 1920, he actually ran for president from the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary! Why? Take note, anti-war activists. He had been sentenced to 10 years for protesting American entry into the First World War, violating, according to the courts, the Espionage Act of 1917. "For President," said the campaign poster, "Convict #9653."
Over the years, failed presidential candidacies have pressured the structures of power. They have injected new ideas into the public square, inspired new generations of activists and accelerated our progress on the road ahead. They have served as beacons in the political night.
And, indeed, arguably as a direct consequence of this kind of movement-building, when Franklin Roosevelt took the oath of office on March 4, 1933 -- 75 years ago this spring -- it is fair to say that he set out, at long last, to enact the Eugene Debs agenda. (In this context, too, we undoubtedly need to credit Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose campaign of 1912, which lost, but put forth an astonishing progressive platform.)
Victor Hugo said, famously, "No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come." But how will the time for such ideas ever come if our system does not allow most of us to vote for those who articulate them before their time has come? If politics, as every undergraduate knows, is the art of the possible, then stepping into that voting booth ought to be an opportunity to expand the parameters of political possibility.
But not if our broken presidential selection process prevents almost all of us from voting for what we want.
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Posted by: Intraspecto on Feb 5, 2008 12:09 AM
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How much simpler could it be?
Or am I, as an independent conservative-leaning American whpo is really upset with Conservatives and mainstream liberals alike,
(who is now looking at Alternet, and other sites seriously) wrong?
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» Well said!
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» Agreed, 3rd party is not an answer.
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» The Green Party is already here
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» I voted Green, you can too!
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Posted by: grandmaskeet on Feb 5, 2008 1:37 AM
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The only way we'll ever have a fair election is demand election reform so that every candidate spends the same amount of money, and the big corporations aren't allowed to buy candidates with their funding.
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» RE: Here, here
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» and a return of the fairness doctrine
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Posted by: PatriciaW on Feb 5, 2008 2:18 AM
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» Its NOT an Election...
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Posted by: pete ess on Feb 5, 2008 3:56 AM
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Posted by: dustinblythe on Feb 5, 2008 5:05 AM
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http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=179557
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Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 5, 2008 5:32 AM
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With respect, I would say the American presidential selection process/voting system is CORRUPT, not merely "broken".
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Posted by: redbird30328 on Feb 5, 2008 5:52 AM
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» Always
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» The results are manipulated by the MSM
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» You're playing the game
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Posted by: antiapathy on Feb 5, 2008 6:17 AM
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Posted by: brunowe on Feb 5, 2008 6:51 AM
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Because of their size and the number of media markets in them, candidates who had raised money and had name recognition would have an increased edge. In smaller states, it is possible for a lesser known, less rich candidate to make enough of a mark to bring in support before the primaries in the big states.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 5, 2008 7:41 AM
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Posted by: lpeacock on Feb 5, 2008 8:13 AM
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I urge Edwards supporters to vote for Edwards.
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Posted by: timeday on Feb 5, 2008 8:19 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on Feb 5, 2008 8:45 AM
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But not if our broken presidential selection process prevents almost all of us from voting for what we want.
This is what the Green Party has been saying over and over and over while the Dimikrats continue to be silent on this. Until people wake up and start a phyiscal revolt, the money-cult will continue to maintain a corrupt, unworkable system that will disenfranchise more and more people. Even the corporadoes are confessing today that upwards of 48% of voters are disenfranchised (without their choice for candidate available to them).
Vote NOTA as a write it, jam up the craptastic dimokrazy that is 'Mer'ka.
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Posted by: 2dogarage on Feb 5, 2008 8:59 AM
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 5, 2008 9:03 AM
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There's a lot of wisdom in these appealing words, but there is also a danger in taking them too literally. In one interpretation, these words seem to tell us to just vote the way our hearts suggest. So long as you feel good about your vote, that's all that counts.
I don't buy this interpretation. While it is fine to cast a vote for a candidate you know will lose, this should only be done with some careful strategy behind it. If, by your vote, you are somehow influencing the political process and affecting some kind of change, fine. However, please don't do it just to make yourself feel good.
The electoral system in this country is quite faulty and it fails badly in the general election when there are more than two viable candidates for president. Keep in mind when you vote for a third party that you may be contributing to the win of the candidate you like the least.
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» keep in mind you might be perpetuating a rotten system
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» But how can we change the system
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Posted by: Andie927 on Feb 5, 2008 9:33 AM
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He only "Suspended" his campaign, because our great Dems. wouldn't vote a third person onto the FEC (FederalElectionsComm.) so they'd have a three person quorum, to give him his matching Public Financing Funds!!
! With Edwards out, any true Progressive, has No One to vote FOR!
Hillary, Corporatist/centrist (just like Bill) who gave us Nafta, Cafta, Welfare to Work without a safty net, Media Consolidation! And he did what about, Healthcare, Enviroment, Fixing Election Laws?
Barack, Corporatist/Centrist, (only to a new extreme) He too wants Insurance NOT healthcare, worse yet he wants to give tax $ to the Overpaid Insurance Co. CEO's, have you heard him say he'll bring about FAIR Trade? How about Media Reform? Krugman, the Liberal Economic guru, says: 'Obama's Right of Hillary' on economic issues, particularly Social Security! Check out 'The Nation' article Obama and the Subprime! It'll tell you about his three TOP economic adviser's. Read closely, this is going to be what you get! One is a Critic of "Sicko", the other thinks 'high healthcare costs are good for the economy', the third wants to 'privatize social security', for Wall Street. Some of Obama's biggest doners!!
Do we really want to have a nominee, who wants to hold Repug. hands and sing Kumbia, with them? Or one that will hold Bush/Chenney and all the rest ACCOUNTABLE! Do you hear either of them talking about "THAT"? How about Restoring our Constitution? Habious? Possi Comatatus? Did either candidate go to New Orleans, 'to work'?
How is either, Barack or Hillary going to fight Lobbists, when their BOTH in Lobbist/Corporate pockets?Please, Barck has taken over 10 Million from Wall Street doners alone!
Vote for Edwards, then Go Green! As in the Green Party. Went to their web site for the first time ever, they have an Edwards Platform! 85 candidates, and monthly meetings across the Nation!
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR VOTING FOR!!!
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Posted by: CUnknown on Feb 5, 2008 11:15 AM
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If you want to restore habeas corpus, end domestic spying, close Guantanamo, end torture, and a candidate who is anti-death penalty, vote for Ron Paul.
If you balance the budget by cutting military spending, vote for Ron Paul. No other candidate will balance the budget because they cling to the "necessessity" of Bush's endless war.
If you want to end 'aid' to countries with horrible human rights records, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, vote for Ron Paul.
If you want the reverse of all the things mentioned here, you have plenty of choices, but for these issues there is only one: RON PAUL.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Feb 5, 2008 12:44 PM
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http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/04/markets/
election_donors/index.htm?postversion=2008020511
This election is another farce.
These farces will continue until we get full public financing of elections, and full particpation of all candidates.
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Posted by: Longdream on Feb 5, 2008 1:38 PM
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Our votes are read and counted as we leave.
I suppose if enough people voted for one of them they could win some delegates.
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Posted by: wwittman on Feb 5, 2008 1:49 PM
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the simple solution is ONE national primary on ONE day.
no one state gets to 'influence' the others or the race in general.
Everyone has access to a TV or a RADIO.
There's simply no reason that anyone needs to meet a candidate in a diner in Iowa to understand what he or she is for or against.
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Posted by: SbgBJ on Feb 5, 2008 1:50 PM
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The list of candidates I was offered (& glad to see} contained EVERY Dem candidate plus "Uncommitted".
So don't voluntarily succumb to despair until you actually see the ballot....
(* The Global Presidential Primary is the full legal equivalent of a state primary election. Democrats Abroad will send 22 delegates to the Democratic National Convention. )
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Posted by: jeannot on Feb 5, 2008 1:53 PM
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Posted by: Kym525 on Feb 5, 2008 2:26 PM
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This means for all of you "disgruntled" voters to get off your whining asses and demand OUR government be responsible to OUR needs. It's easy to sit and moan and complain about what ISN'T getting done. It's a lot harder to get out there and DO it. The government will only respond when there's a concerted effort by everyone regardless of political affiliation to make them do it. We can take back our nation if we care enough to do it.
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Feb 5, 2008 6:26 PM
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Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 5, 2008 7:04 PM
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Government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Direct Democracy
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Posted by: Intraspecto on Feb 5, 2008 12:09 AM
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How much simpler could it be?
Or am I, as an independent conservative-leaning American whpo is really upset with Conservatives and mainstream liberals alike,
(who is now looking at Alternet, and other sites seriously) wrong?
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» Ron Paul just got another vote...
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» Well said!
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» RE: A Simple Solution...
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» Agreed, 3rd party is not an answer.
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» RE: Agreed, 3rd party is not an answer.
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» The Green Party is already here
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» I voted Green, you can too!
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» RE: A Simple Solution...
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» RE: VOTE EDWARDS
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Posted by: grandmaskeet on Feb 5, 2008 1:37 AM
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The only way we'll ever have a fair election is demand election reform so that every candidate spends the same amount of money, and the big corporations aren't allowed to buy candidates with their funding.
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» and a return of the fairness doctrine
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Posted by: PatriciaW on Feb 5, 2008 2:18 AM
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» Its NOT an Election...
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Posted by: pete ess on Feb 5, 2008 3:56 AM
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Posted by: dustinblythe on Feb 5, 2008 5:05 AM
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http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=179557
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Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 5, 2008 5:32 AM
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With respect, I would say the American presidential selection process/voting system is CORRUPT, not merely "broken".
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Posted by: redbird30328 on Feb 5, 2008 5:52 AM
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» Always
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» The results are manipulated by the MSM
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» You're playing the game
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» RE: The Results Are In
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Posted by: antiapathy on Feb 5, 2008 6:17 AM
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Posted by: brunowe on Feb 5, 2008 6:51 AM
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Because of their size and the number of media markets in them, candidates who had raised money and had name recognition would have an increased edge. In smaller states, it is possible for a lesser known, less rich candidate to make enough of a mark to bring in support before the primaries in the big states.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 5, 2008 7:41 AM
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Posted by: lpeacock on Feb 5, 2008 8:13 AM
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I urge Edwards supporters to vote for Edwards.
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Posted by: timeday on Feb 5, 2008 8:19 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on Feb 5, 2008 8:45 AM
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But not if our broken presidential selection process prevents almost all of us from voting for what we want.
This is what the Green Party has been saying over and over and over while the Dimikrats continue to be silent on this. Until people wake up and start a phyiscal revolt, the money-cult will continue to maintain a corrupt, unworkable system that will disenfranchise more and more people. Even the corporadoes are confessing today that upwards of 48% of voters are disenfranchised (without their choice for candidate available to them).
Vote NOTA as a write it, jam up the craptastic dimokrazy that is 'Mer'ka.
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Posted by: 2dogarage on Feb 5, 2008 8:59 AM
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 5, 2008 9:03 AM
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There's a lot of wisdom in these appealing words, but there is also a danger in taking them too literally. In one interpretation, these words seem to tell us to just vote the way our hearts suggest. So long as you feel good about your vote, that's all that counts.
I don't buy this interpretation. While it is fine to cast a vote for a candidate you know will lose, this should only be done with some careful strategy behind it. If, by your vote, you are somehow influencing the political process and affecting some kind of change, fine. However, please don't do it just to make yourself feel good.
The electoral system in this country is quite faulty and it fails badly in the general election when there are more than two viable candidates for president. Keep in mind when you vote for a third party that you may be contributing to the win of the candidate you like the least.
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» RE: Guilt Trip! Wrong!!!
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» keep in mind you might be perpetuating a rotten system
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» But how can we change the system
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Posted by: Andie927 on Feb 5, 2008 9:33 AM
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He only "Suspended" his campaign, because our great Dems. wouldn't vote a third person onto the FEC (FederalElectionsComm.) so they'd have a three person quorum, to give him his matching Public Financing Funds!!
! With Edwards out, any true Progressive, has No One to vote FOR!
Hillary, Corporatist/centrist (just like Bill) who gave us Nafta, Cafta, Welfare to Work without a safty net, Media Consolidation! And he did what about, Healthcare, Enviroment, Fixing Election Laws?
Barack, Corporatist/Centrist, (only to a new extreme) He too wants Insurance NOT healthcare, worse yet he wants to give tax $ to the Overpaid Insurance Co. CEO's, have you heard him say he'll bring about FAIR Trade? How about Media Reform? Krugman, the Liberal Economic guru, says: 'Obama's Right of Hillary' on economic issues, particularly Social Security! Check out 'The Nation' article Obama and the Subprime! It'll tell you about his three TOP economic adviser's. Read closely, this is going to be what you get! One is a Critic of "Sicko", the other thinks 'high healthcare costs are good for the economy', the third wants to 'privatize social security', for Wall Street. Some of Obama's biggest doners!!
Do we really want to have a nominee, who wants to hold Repug. hands and sing Kumbia, with them? Or one that will hold Bush/Chenney and all the rest ACCOUNTABLE! Do you hear either of them talking about "THAT"? How about Restoring our Constitution? Habious? Possi Comatatus? Did either candidate go to New Orleans, 'to work'?
How is either, Barack or Hillary going to fight Lobbists, when their BOTH in Lobbist/Corporate pockets?Please, Barck has taken over 10 Million from Wall Street doners alone!
Vote for Edwards, then Go Green! As in the Green Party. Went to their web site for the first time ever, they have an Edwards Platform! 85 candidates, and monthly meetings across the Nation!
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR VOTING FOR!!!
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» RE: Vote the ISSUES!
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» RE: Vote the ISSUES!
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Posted by: CUnknown on Feb 5, 2008 11:15 AM
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If you want to restore habeas corpus, end domestic spying, close Guantanamo, end torture, and a candidate who is anti-death penalty, vote for Ron Paul.
If you balance the budget by cutting military spending, vote for Ron Paul. No other candidate will balance the budget because they cling to the "necessessity" of Bush's endless war.
If you want to end 'aid' to countries with horrible human rights records, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, vote for Ron Paul.
If you want the reverse of all the things mentioned here, you have plenty of choices, but for these issues there is only one: RON PAUL.
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» Ron Paul is the 19th century candidate
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Feb 5, 2008 12:44 PM
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http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/04/markets/
election_donors/index.htm?postversion=2008020511
This election is another farce.
These farces will continue until we get full public financing of elections, and full particpation of all candidates.
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Posted by: Longdream on Feb 5, 2008 1:38 PM
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Our votes are read and counted as we leave.
I suppose if enough people voted for one of them they could win some delegates.
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Posted by: wwittman on Feb 5, 2008 1:49 PM
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the simple solution is ONE national primary on ONE day.
no one state gets to 'influence' the others or the race in general.
Everyone has access to a TV or a RADIO.
There's simply no reason that anyone needs to meet a candidate in a diner in Iowa to understand what he or she is for or against.
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Posted by: SbgBJ on Feb 5, 2008 1:50 PM
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The list of candidates I was offered (& glad to see} contained EVERY Dem candidate plus "Uncommitted".
So don't voluntarily succumb to despair until you actually see the ballot....
(* The Global Presidential Primary is the full legal equivalent of a state primary election. Democrats Abroad will send 22 delegates to the Democratic National Convention. )
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Posted by: jeannot on Feb 5, 2008 1:53 PM
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Posted by: Kym525 on Feb 5, 2008 2:26 PM
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This means for all of you "disgruntled" voters to get off your whining asses and demand OUR government be responsible to OUR needs. It's easy to sit and moan and complain about what ISN'T getting done. It's a lot harder to get out there and DO it. The government will only respond when there's a concerted effort by everyone regardless of political affiliation to make them do it. We can take back our nation if we care enough to do it.
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Feb 5, 2008 6:26 PM
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Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 5, 2008 7:04 PM
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Government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Direct Democracy
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