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Hillary and Obama's Bland Debate: Tamer Than Watching 'The Waltons'

By Mark Ames, AlterNet. Posted February 1, 2008.


Stupefied by the excitement over the Democratic contest, an American expat asks us, "What's gotten into you people?"

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It's late in the morning Moscow, Russia time, and I recently finished watching the Democratic debate on my laptop. I thought I'd share with my fellow Americans one humble expatriate's opinion on the most important election since [enter dramatic sounding even-numbered year here]. From way out here in the land of "managed democracy" and retro menace, the spectacle of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama standing together as the two candidates for the Democratic Party left me with one overriding impression: They're boring!

Why wasn't I warned? Who decided that this was an election battle between old and new, between change and experience ... or even more ludicrous, a choice between "hope" and "experience"? Who's slapping these exciting-sounding narratives over a horrifically flat and undramatic reality? What's gotten into you people? Either the insurance lobby has been seeding America's atmosphere with laughing gas for the past few months, or you folks really are as stupid as you look from over here.

Before watching the debate, I'd read about how electrifying and inspirational Barack Obama was supposed to be. I'd heard about the arenas jam packed with teary-eyed 20-somethings. I'd seen clips of a wild-eyed Chris Matthews salivating uncontrollably every time the word "Obama" was uttered, as if the slick Illinois senator was standing off-camera ringing a little bell. Indeed he's got about half of the younger-at-heart media demographic responding to that little bell of his, even people that I know. I keep expecting to have Leonard Nimoy enter my apartment holding a small syringe and a ball of cotton, telling me to go to sleep, not to worry, I won't feel a thing, the next morning I'll be "inspired" by Obama too. Which is why I just popped another Adderall ... the hell if I'm going to sleep after seeing that debate.

Now that I've watched Barack Obama debate, and beheld this modern-day Martin Luther King Jr., this Kennedy-meets-Lincoln-by-way-of-John-The-Baptist, along with his co-star in this miserable prime time drama, Hillary Clinton, I gots ta ask: how can you people stand it? Forget about how either of those two could inspire emotions like love and hope and hatred -- just physically, how can you watch it without wanting to kick something? That debate was the most boring television production since The Waltons.

But in making this judgment, I go on the false assumption that Americans have taste. Which you people don't. A country that spends 12 stressful underpaid hours a day in a cubicle for less and less pay, then returns home just in time to watch their favorite reality show about a group of hyper-ambitious business school reptiles sucking up to Donald Trump for a promotion is not a country whose tastes can be trusted. The Apprentice is the only explanation for Obama's appeal: his perfectly bland, business-friendly swagger makes him exactly the sort of African-American who'd earn Trump's approval. For a country that's spent the last 30 years sucking up to their bosses in direct proportion to the contempt that their bosses show to them, it's only fitting that they'd swoon over Obama.

And then there's the doomed co-star Hillary. Poor Hillary, no matter how sweetly she soups up her cheek implants or blonds up her gray roots, and no matter how blandly she tries to out-bland Barack with her her flat monotone voice, she just can't break out of her character role as America's Misogyny Magnet: she's the bitchy-neighbor in the bad sitcom who always gets the live studio audience to crow "oooo": the minute the camera focuses on her, most men feel a kind of unmediated hate that's completely beyond their control, a strain of perfectly preserved, primal misogyny locked up deep inside of just about every voting-age male's psyche (if you men claim you haven't felt it, you're either monstrous liars or else you're wearing a leather head harness with an inflatable mouth gag as you're reading this).

Sure she's as bland as Obama, perhaps even marginally blander, but at the animal level, she triggers a neurochemical jet that sets off the very first hate most men feel when they encounter a powerful and threatening woman (like, say, I dunno, your 4th grade teacher Mrs. McManus? or the dean Ms. Mead, the wrinkled-mouth Episcopalian baboon who kicked you out of school and told you you'd never amount to anything?).

For years now American men have been trying to attach some sort of moral or political significance to their Hillary hatred, but safely out here in Eurasia, I can tell the simple plain truth about it: it's a misogyny that they can't control. They hate her because she's the embodiment of every woman they've ever hated since the time they opened their eyes. It can't be explained, which is why it's such an ugly yet pure hatred, and why everyone burns the candle on both ends to justify the hate in moralistic terms, or political terms, or anything but raw misogyny. She's been taking the misogyny heat for a good 25 years from roughly 150 million Americans, maybe more, and it's transformed her into the perfect male-ego punching bag, with just about as much soul and sensitivity as a thick leather bag full of padded stuffing can possibly have.

Which is why Americans need her around to work out on: Hillary's the easiest target that America has faced since Gulf War I, and if there's one thing feeble Americans love, it's bashing the shit out of easy targets. Just ask the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi conscripts forced into their Kuwaiti desert camp-out way back in 1991 how America deals with easy targets: we slaughter the shit out of them from the sky and the sea and from control rooms hundreds of miles away, and after we slaughter them without a fight, we high-five each other for a job well done! In political-media terms, that means Hillary takes the full pummeling of the feeble American literati's mighty arsenal: she makes them look good in the eyes of a nation that applauds easy kills and scripted endings: "Look at me! Look how great I am as my new smart invective smashes into Hillary Clinton! Hoo-ah! Check out my laser-guided similes and pilotless pejoratives! Hoo-ah! Can you believe how great we all are for hating her?"


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Mark Ames is editor of the Moscow English alt weekly, The eXile. He is the author of Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan's Workplaces to Clinton's Columbine and Beyond.

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What's with the Obama Mania?
Posted by: arieden on Feb 1, 2008 1:25 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I agree with the author - there is not that much difference between the candidates. Some people find Obama "exciting" and "inspirational." I don't reaaly get it.
I think Obama is OK and I would have no trouble voting for him if he is the nominee in the genreal election, but I'm not captivated by him.
I'm supporting Hillary. She is not perfect, but she is strong, smart and qualified and I think she will deliver.
Obama makes me think of the many men who breeze through offices, having been hired because they were impressive talkers. They talk a good game, but don't do anything and then leave and others have to pick up the pieces (usually someone like me, who is not flashy but gets things done). Often the others in the office who have to clean up are women (I'm a gay man). So I guess I identify with Hillary a little. I certainly identify more with her than with him.
I need a lot more than "inspirational" talking to impress me - I need to be shown results.

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» RE: What's with the Obama Mania? Posted by: MobileSucks
tame? or substantive?
Posted by: wwittman on Feb 1, 2008 1:27 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Instead of the bickering and personality driven nonsense that the media loves to write and talk about, at least this debate seemed to be about actual ISSUES.

But don't worry,
as soon as a candidate is chosen and the campaigning for the general election begins we'll be right back to talking about haircuts and clothes and shrill voices and heroes and mavericks and looking French and all the usual pointless bullshit

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» RE: tame? or substantive? Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: tame? or substantive? Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: tame? or substantive? Posted by: maxpayne
Well Said
Posted by: levinpsy on Feb 1, 2008 1:34 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I too was uncomfortable watching last night's debate and the writer has helped me figure out what seemed wrong. I said to my wife this morning that neither candidate seemed in touch with reality, that they were both highly scripted, polished, and absent psychologically and emotionally. I was not inspired in the least. Yes I can admire each of them for some of their positions and accomplishments. But the political process and the media have sapped the life right out of them. Neither candidate spoke the real truth; that is, that America is in deep trouble and in crisis, period. Until this is said seriously and without watering it down with false hope (and it cannot be because the media would not allow it, that simple truth is just not entertaining enough), there will never be a candidate who will inspire Americans to do what is necessary to make things better.

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The author nailed the misogyny angle
Posted by: arieden on Feb 1, 2008 1:36 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Actually, the author nailed a lot of things about the U.S. - but especially the oversized hatred that many have for Hillary.
After fag bashing, women bashing may be America's favorite pasttime.

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OK, but meanwhile....
Posted by: thelostsailor on Feb 1, 2008 2:11 PM   
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outside our news circle, 'The Media' long ago selected our country's 4 candidates for 'us' since our country's vast majority are under-educated, indifferent, apathetic, fearful, and misled.
I don't like either Obama or Clinton either, yet I would steer away from fueling the blistering corporate media frenzy that seems to be seeking to make America overdose on both Dem candidates with relentless, annoying pointless articles and tv news spots (this isn't one of those, yet could have the same effect) about their dueling and other completely irrelevant sidenotes that do nothing but keep many liberals from voting altogether and kick some lost people over to the other options the media has selected for their country: Romney or McCain.
So here I am, in your boat- do you recommend voting for Romney then?!!!
Kucinich would have been a great 'reconstruction president' to save our country, yet big media kept his coverage virtually nonexistent at the start of any campaigning.
Again, here we are.....bracing to vote for a less evil candidate without really endorsing what they stand for at all or not voting at all. Should I write in myself?!!
We're screwed....

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Not only in the US
Posted by: veig on Feb 1, 2008 2:55 PM   
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The author is absolutely right. I've been witnessing the same kind of phenomenon on this side of the pond during the Presidential Elections in France : debates on the left wing were bland and sounded out of touch with real life. Mrs. Royal, in my opinion, raised as much misogynistic feelings agains her as Mrs. Clinton seems to do, and the debates during the primaries dramatically lacked substance.

What is it with the Democrats/Labour/Socialists of the Western World ? They seem definitely unable to engage in anything else than PC talks, sucking up to conservative or neo-con values, patting each other on the back for respecting their neo-con adversaries who rape them (and their constituents) over ?

The only hope I see now comes from Latin America, where a few left-wing personalities have emerged in the last few years, brought to power by people who have entirely lost their faith in the richest countries and their sock-puppet institutions such as the World Bank of the IMF.

Meanwhile, our so-called "socialist/Labour" politicians try their best to get a job as chairman of those cesspools -- Mr. Strauss-Kahn at the IMF, Mr. Pascal Lamy at the WTO. Good riddance.

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I hope alternet doesn't pay you
Posted by: g50 on Feb 1, 2008 4:09 PM   
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Because your writing, this writing, was awful. Just awful.

I am someone with a lot of background on debate. This was an excellent debate, the best debate between two politicians I have ever seen. Apparently you wanted some stupid entertainment. You know, when I think, democracy doesn't work, its when reading idiotic political commentary like this. Alternet, this person should not be writing for you. Maybe Perez Hilton's political correspondent - though even he has more respect for legitimate debate.

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God I Miss John Edwards
Posted by: dustinblythe on Feb 1, 2008 5:09 PM   
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I had so hoped that Edwards would stay in the race longer, if only to keep Clinton and Obama real and honest on the issues. What I feared is coming to pass. Without Edwards (or anyone else) to ground them, Clinton and Obama are each trying to out DLC each other.

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» RE: God I Miss John Edwards Posted by: sofla100
TOO KOOL FOR SKOOL!!!
Posted by: SaraCole on Feb 1, 2008 5:10 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama and Hillary are boring? Wow, you must have seen it ALL. You are so CYNICAL and WISE. I certainly anticipated these kinds of substanceless, evasive sneak attacks would be thick on the ground during the election season, but I am STILL boggled by the sheer creativity that pretend-progressive sexist and racist leftymales bring to bear in coming up with 'reasons' Hillary and Obama are objectionable, since they know they're not supposed to say "I won't vote for a woman or a black person."

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» RE: TOO KOOL FOR SKOOL!!! Posted by: wwittman
» RE: TOO KOOL FOR SKOOL!!! Posted by: laoma
» RE: TOO KOOL FOR SKOOL!!! Posted by: SaraCole
» RE: TOO KOOL FOR SKOOL!!! Posted by: Declan
» RE: TOO KOOL FOR SKOOL!!! Posted by: SaraCole
» RE: TOO KOOL FOR SKOOL!!! Posted by: SaraCole
It's all a DUMBSHOW people.
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 1, 2008 5:16 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Boy am I glad I never bother watching these phony "debates". With Edwards, Kucinich, and soon to be Gravel and Paul dropping out, the rest of this "election" will be nothing but a host of DUMBSHOWS. You're going to need real campaign finance reform, not the phony McCain-Feingold version that only further empowered the already uber-corrupt Corporate Media in the first place. Let's turn off our tellies and start helping out third party candidates for a change.

P.S.: Here's a list of Independents and other unknown Ds and Rs running for president.

http://www.politics1.com/p2008.htm

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» Thanks. Posted by: maxpayne
Debate?
Posted by: WhatNow? on Feb 1, 2008 6:37 PM   
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Was it a debate? What little I've seen of it was more of a consensus.

Is this true:

"She tried to give the country free health care 15 years ago, and the suckers will never, ever forgive her for it."

If she'd give me good competent health care for free, I'd thank her gratefully. Why would I ever need to forgive her? It was the only thing I ever heard the Clintons say with which I agreed. I was disappointed and actually felt betrayed when they didn't press the issue. It seemed they backed down too quickly and easily.

I've come to a conclusion that the MSM doesn't even want to entertain us anymore. They're more interested in indoctrinating us than entertaining us. Wouldn't Mike Gravel skewering these two be much more entertaining than who can kiss the other's butt best?

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» RE: Debate? Posted by: Declan
look at the online mag
Posted by: Joe on Feb 1, 2008 6:40 PM   
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he writes for im suprised he passed the "sexist" standards.

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» RE: look at the online mag Posted by: Declan
Doing the Bidding of Their Upper-Class Masters
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 1, 2008 7:13 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama and Hillary are the "smoke and mirrors" for the top 1% ruling elite in America. They try to portray the perception of inclusivity (of the average man), but, in reality, they both do the bidding of their upper-class masters. Witness the funding they both are receiving from Wall Street and the mega-corporate gang. Just how much of a challenge do you think they represent to the elite anyway? What, even the so-called health care plans they both propose are just give away programs to mega-insurance companies and big pharma. You think either of them is going to cut back on America's massive defense spending, her empire project and her umbilical cord to Tel Aviv?, I don't think so. Yet, the average Joe and Jane buys all their lies and stupidity. Why is that? Because Hillary and Obama both know Mr. and Ms. Average want to believe, they want to believe in America and her so-called democracy. They don't realize it's the big bucks calling the tunes, and it has been for years. Kucinich down the tubes, Edwards down the sewer, let's not kid ourselves about any real change, OK?

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American Idol
Posted by: master09 on Feb 1, 2008 10:32 PM   
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The debate was excellent given the amount of time. This was not watching American idol or the Britney Spears show this was a debate of two people wanting to be the president of the of this country; this is one reason why this country is in trouble because of mindless Americans with their idol mentally.

Let me put it straight for you; electing any democrat is what this country need, not to say that there are no bad democrats; I said this before and I will say it again, anyone in this country that votes for republicans is a fool; they are traitors to this nation. Hey! my highly educated friends men and women are dieing in Iraq everyday because Bush and the republicans(NAZI) do not give rats ass about about this country or its citizens and if those of you that cannot see this then, truly we are finish as a nation the crooks will come again and again.

Barak Obama as President of this country would be the one thing that would tell the world that america back and we are going fix this SHIT ;then they will know the heart of the American people ;so all of intellectual type cut the BULLSHIT and let get on with it.VOTE DEMOCRAT

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» highly educated killers Posted by: RedAaron
Sellout & Sellout LLP
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 1, 2008 11:33 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Or was it Tweedledeedee & Tweedledeedum?

These jokers can barely part their lips without checking in with their Wall Street Mafia handlers.

Might as well have Paris Hilton head up the ticket. At least she'd be a more honest reflection of our empty psychopath U.S. Empire.

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» RE: Sellout & Sellout LLP Posted by: Declan
» RE: Sellout & Sellout LLP Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
Hey, I Liked The Waltons
Posted by: Squarehead on Feb 2, 2008 4:37 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hey, I Liked The Waltons

A look back to a Norman Rockwell America

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really?
Posted by: kiram on Feb 2, 2008 7:12 AM   
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You can tell that there may have been adderall behind this piece given its structure and content.. there was something about this article that was vaguely vitriol-laced, though I can't put my finger on it. Claiming that misogyny towards woman is primal--from the womb--and that any woman in power is bound to trigger it, that was disturbing. I was really surprised to see this article on here.

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» RE: really? Posted by: SaraCole
Alternet... stop trying to sneak hillary in my drink!
Posted by: rwmk12 on Feb 2, 2008 7:16 AM   
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I don't have some lingering primal hate of women in power. Even though Thatcher and Albright have left a bad taste in my mouth, but for other reasons instead of mysogyny. I would vote for Cliton if she was an agent of change, but she is not. The subliminal 'vote hillary' message of this article and most others of the major news media is why I like Obama. I suspect neither candidate is good, but the fact that the media and alternet is constantly trying to sneak hillary into my drink suggests she is not for the middle class, or as 'radical' as Obama (lol). A small victory for 'good' in the world, or the complete exposure of the failings of representational democracy... If people vote hillary I am done with democracy. The general public will have officially proved their inability to see beyond the spectacle of the 'reality' they are fed. Like every moron out there, including this articles' author, I have to lament the stupidity of everyone else. I agree that race and sex are as meaningless in a candidate as wrapping paper at christmas. People who are voting for hillary because of tired rhetoric spouted out by the double think of 1st year feminist critics are setting themselves up. Don't be a sucker for thought-jujitsu. Divide and conquer. Vote hillary cause blacks are voting obama, I've heard. Vote hillary cause men are voting obama I've heard. But, when the devil invites you to eat, I suggest you politely decline the offer. Vote Obama, not for change, but for a slower death of the middle class.

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Dennis Kucinich!
Posted by: anna132 on Feb 2, 2008 1:16 PM   
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God I really miss Dennis Kucinich,for all of his truthfulness and integrety and for all his "HONEST" issuses that were for "WE THE PEOPLE" and we know who we can thank for him not getting his word out to many of the American people who count and did listen.So thanks for screwing up a good and "HONEST" mans campain MSM.

PEACE

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» RE: Dennis Kucinich! Posted by: Declan
I miss Monica Lewinsky
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Feb 3, 2008 4:09 AM   
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I lost all faith in Hillary back during Monicagate. Why didn't she hit Bill over the head with a rolling pin for his indiscretions? A First Divorce would have worked wonders for Feminism and won my respect back.

More importantly, where was the anti-sexual-harassment movement I was waiting for? Millions of women the World over are harassed by bosses for fear of losing their low-paying jobs. Why wasn't Monicagate used to bring attention to them? I remember Paula Jones telling Rosanne how "us women need to stand together" and thinking "gee, Feminism is finally going to take off".

But no. All the Clinton gropees cashed in their multi-million dollar hush money and that was that. Meanwhile abused women everywhere will go on getting abused and nobody will notice.

Thanks for nothing Hillary!

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