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Edwards' Withdrawl is America's Loss
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But Edwards didn't stop there. He relentlessly pushed the envelope on America's next greatest crime and sin, the absolute refusal of the nation to provide decent health care for more than fifty million persons no matter whether poor, working class, middle class and even some with a few bucks to spare. He didn't stop even there. He hammered corporate and special interests for their shameless and unabashed pillage, loot, and rape of American consumers.
Edwards was truly a modern day Jeremiah crying in the wilderness against poverty, corporate greed, and the health care abomination, and predictably was bum rushed by the gaggle of ultra-conservative slam artists, the Fox network crowd, talk shock jocks, and the New York Times neo-liberal bunch. They slandered, slurred, and ridiculed him, and ultimately tried to marginalize him as a bare after thought, warm up act to Clinton and Obama.
Edward's much needed and almost never heard populist message didn't mark him as a threat. The fact that he could win and would have been in a position to deliver on his heartfelt advocacy made him a threat. The seeds of the attack were there from the start. He had barely stepped out of the barber salon early in the campaign when the pokes and digs started. He was the butt of laughs and late night TV talk show gags for committing the unpardonable sin of blowing $400 on a haircut. The barbs and the taunts didn't stop even after he shrugged it off as fun and games stuff. Months later David Letterman took another hair shot at him when he grabbed at his hair and tried to muss it up during his appearance on Letterman's late night show.
This slapstick silliness wouldn't have raised an eyebrow since he is a wealthy guy who made millions as a corporate lawyer. But it was the poverty thing that raised the hackles of his rich pals. This was not just a cheap campaign ploy to give him an edge over the other candidates. He made the case that nearly forty million poor people in the world's richest country is an abomination that nobody seemed to want to talk about it, let alone do anything about it. It was irksome enough that the GOP presidents and presidential candidates would stay silent on the plight of the poor. It was downright infuriating that his Democratic opponents would also stay mute on the issue.
Edwards put his body where his mouth was. He barnstormed through eight poor regions of the South in July 2007 with his modern day version of an anti-poverty fact finding campaign. He kicked off his three day campaign in New Orleans 9th Ward. The nearly all-black area suffered the worst Katrina flood devastation and had become the universal symbol of poverty and neglect. Worse it stood as tragic testament to the failed and broken promises of recovery made by corporations and the federal government.
His poverty crusade stirred a mild flutter for a couple of months with Obama and Clinton, but again only a mild flutter, and any talk of a crusade against poverty has disappeared from their campaign lexicon faster than a Houdini disappearing act. And now that he's out of the White House hunt, the chance that it'll reappear in their spiels is zilch.
Edwards became the first Democratic presidential candidate to go where no other Dem or certainly Republican candidate has gone in four decades and talked up poverty disgrace, universal health and economic democracy. He bucked history, negative public and political attitudes, and of course ridicule for championing these populist causes. But here's the deal. Edwards may be out of the race but his message and the reason for that message won't disappear like Houdini. Obama and Clinton will continue to pilfer and repackage parts of his message, while of course giving no credit to the messenger.
No matter. Edwards did himself, us and the nation proud when he boldly stepped up and tried to shame the shot callers into facing up to their sorry and disgraceful neglect of millions of poor and uninsured Americans. We owe Edwards a profound debt of gratitude for that. Here's a guess. Edwards won't and shouldn't go quietly into the night. We still desperately need his voice and we should do everything we can to make sure that his voice continues to be heard.
John, you have my eternal thanks for who you are and what you did. You are truly the better angel of America.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 30, 2008 10:43 AM
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1- How heavy handed the hostility of the MSM to Edwards' message has been from front to back.
2- How so many Democratic voters cannot tell the difference between a Republican-lite like Billary or Obama and a real Democrat.
3- How many people are insane enough to let a talk show host influence their vote. Talk about shallow.
I will be taking a vacation from voting this year. If Obama or Billary are the best the Democrats can do, I'll pass. No work, no wallet and no vote. As I already have two Blue-Tick (read Republican) 'Democratic ' Senators and a similar Representative, why should I bother to vote for a Blue-Tick in the Primary or General Election? I get a Republican either way.
Thanks guys. The Republicans just won the 2008 Presidential election- regardless of which candidate wins. You can go back to Oprah, People Magazine and Entertainment Tonight now. Just don't count on my vote, money or effort. I am too disgusted.
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Posted by: minjiwe on Jan 30, 2008 1:40 PM
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Posted by: onevoter on Jan 30, 2008 1:51 PM
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If you do what is necessary to get on the ballot in all 50 states, then you should remain a choice for voters. Unfortunately, money rules the system.
Blame it on corporations, the mainstream media, talk radio, etc, but the real problem is money, or the lack of it. We should have public financing of campaigns, with no personal money or any other donations allowed.
The "debates" should include any and all who are on the ballot, and should be sponsored by the government. Put them on C-Span. Let the voters decide, something which isn't happening now.
Between the money-soaked primary system and the antiquated electoral college, we do not really elect our President.
Change? Yeah, we need plenty of change....
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Posted by: poco on Jan 30, 2008 6:27 PM
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jan 30, 2008 8:23 PM
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Any Dem is better for us... but you can see that we will have no real change in the future no matter what, because these two have bought into the trickle down mantra too - they aren't talking about taxing the top earners as they should be taxed for all of their advantages and abuse of the median and under-income consumer.
Agreed on the shallowness of some voters. It's telegenics, not thinking, that dominates. Talk show hosts, not self examination.
It's the most dumbed down society ever as our schools perpetuate this by not teaching defensive economics, morals, humility, and public service - and that outrage should be expressed. Where are those subjects in the cirriculum? Purposefully left out and complicit empty media fueled idiocracy...has done us in.
300 or so days to go. Hoping for whatever crumbs are left - but the progressive agenda is in tatters. The masters of the universe have won - again.
Our only hope is that these two Dems are being cunningly conciliatory to the Wall Streeters as they fight on in the primaries and perhaps once installed in office they might pursue a truly brave agenda to right the incredible amounts of wrongs engineered by this plutocratic regime.
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Posted by: Ivann on Jan 30, 2008 10:52 PM
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I'll tell you this. In this country neither Clinton nor Obama is electable (female/black) & the Repugs will have a field day with them. Furthermore, if as now seems more & more likely, McCain is the GOP candidate, with the loonies relegated to the trashcan, he will seem like a less risky choice to many than Clinton or Obama.
So there you have it. A seventy something President suffering from skin cancer probably with Lieberman as VP. God help us all.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 31, 2008 4:21 AM
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Edwards is a rich guy, with a previous record as an establishment Democrat, touring poor areas of the South, and making poverty part of his crusade. Remind you of anyone?
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Posted by: jefhadist on Jan 31, 2008 4:56 AM
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Posted by: otto on Jan 31, 2008 4:59 AM
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Posted by: Prairie Waif on Jan 31, 2008 6:08 AM
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I heard him speak about the dangers of media concentration early on in the campaign in a way that those of the "dumbed down" educational system could understand. He discussed the foreign ownership of the press and the collective ownership of the television, newspaper and other media markets and WHY this was so WRONG. People understood and decided to take back their mechanisms to find out some truths via media.
The threat was too much and the "chat" of haircuts and "trial lawyer" and "extremely rich white, candidate became the qualifiers before John Edwards, Presidential Candidate running on a poverty platform.
To discuss the breaking of the EMPIRES built during the Clinton era, when they have their "Hillary, Goddess Warrior" to maintain her husband's legacy must be maintained and the relentless marginization and relegation of Edwards to "page 4" was determined and indeed, guaranteed.
Discussing and explaining Corporate Welfare in laymen's terms nailed the coffin shut against such corporate schill's as Clinton and Obama. When Edwards' discussed limiting corporate welfare on Government contracts? The rest of his campaign became one of heading off the jokes about his person and not his place in the candidate debate; it became office water cooler conversation and fodder for "funny" email "FW:." The vilification John Edwards was on and the funeral pyre of his campaign was being stoked by Hillay's sense of entitlement and corporate "handlers."
And now? I REFUSE to vote for Hillary. Would rather cross my finger behind my back to vote for anyone of the Republicans that may not know how to appreciate the number of Democrats that voted for them, but it most certainly will let Hillary and Bill we won't elect them for the THIRD time.
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Posted by: bilbehr2007 on Jan 31, 2008 6:27 AM
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But we need more. The issue of poverty, headlining every other issue (global climate change, war, crime-by-the-rich and so on), and dovetailing smoothly with them, is not dead,and if it is moribund, we need to breath life into it! Al Gore did it. Edward's message was heard by the people, is a populist message, and we need a populist movement to keep this issue on the front of the screen. If Barak is president we need to hold his feet to the fire, Hillary even more so, if McCain, we need to depend on each other for a place to hide.
Si, se peude!
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Posted by: MeridaLady on Jan 31, 2008 7:08 AM
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Americans finally had a chance to get back some dignity and fix our country but when Edwards was forced out and the American people just let it happen, well I give up!
Nothing in America will change. The campaigns will amount to petty bickering publicity on both sides and the cheap talk that has no substance.
It doesn't matter how you vote now, Rep., Dem. Green or Independent(last 2 won't happen), you all are in for more of the same. Good luck to you. Cheers
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Posted by: using on Jan 31, 2008 9:00 AM
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I too believed that he was our one hope. However, I do believe that Bill who wrote on the blogs is right -- WE NEED TO ORGANIZE -- so we can hold the next democratic president feet to the fire.
We cannot count on the remaining candidates to do the job.
Edwards carved out a road. Now we, those of us that understood him and fear the ever escalating downward spiriling conditions in this country need to group together and figure out a plan --of how we can awaken the populace to action.
Sitting and waiting for the right candidate has not worked for us. Roosevelt had lots of enemies, but the people were ready to receive him. We, need to find a way to unite and strengthen ourselves so either an Edwards can step up to the plate or we can help the incomng candidates grow into a champion of the democracy and the people.
The first order of business is: how can we, who are strangers from different walks of life and do not feel particularly empowered, or flush with money begin the process of uniting and planning an agenda that will release our internal strength so we can stand for ourselves and each other?.
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Posted by: luzmejor on Jan 31, 2008 9:20 AM
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Edwards was a truth-teller and, what is worse, the truths he told them made his too-proud countrymen feel guilty and ineffectual.
Of course, we must know the bad news before we can change anything for the better, but Americans are lazy, wimpy and addicted to their rose-colored glasses.
The truth is so frightening to them that they are forever kept from improving even their own living conditions. All Edwards could do was to make them angry and that is not his fault, but theirs.
We haven't heard the last of Edwards, though. Just like Jimmy Carter, he will be more effective (and less threatening to establishment types) in his other roles in life.
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Posted by: motamanx on Jan 31, 2008 9:21 AM
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We can't even impeach the treasonous liars now occupying the White House. Is it possible that the corporate interests have won, permanently?
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Posted by: womanwarrior on Jan 31, 2008 9:39 AM
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However, you referred to him as a "corporate" lawyer. He did not represent corporations, but instead he represented individuals who had been harmed. He was effective in getting people justice from insurance companies, and from corporations who would not take responsibility for the harm they caused others. He was proud to be a trial lawyer for people.
Hillary Clinton is a "corporate" lawyer. Her firm defended corporations and she was sitting on the Board of Walmart for years.
John Edwards worked in the trenches against corporations and he is a good lawyer. I am sorry I cannot vote for him in a primary and for president.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 31, 2008 9:55 AM
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These candidates profess to know what's best for us and year after year it's the same old, same old: another war and fewer jobs. The cycle continues.
No candidate, save Edwards, made helping the poor the epicenter of his campaign. And it fell on deaf ears. He could have been the one to address their plight to the nation, but we're too damned busy spending our time in malls apeing the latest clothing style or milling about inside an Apple computer store or watching a reality TV show or wondering which celebrity is having problems. Reality bites us hard, huh? Pressure!
Adding to this somber tale is the news of foreclosures reaching an all-time high. In sum, the poor are regarded as feces to be avoided on Easy Street. (Watch your step!!) You know it's awfully hard to ignore garbage on your street and you know also that YOU will not pick it up. That's our attitude towards the poor. Yes, they're getting by in Section 8 housing or shacking up in a garage. It's a cruel and stark reminder of social Darwinism today.
Meanwhile Los Angeles police conducted a sweep of Skid Row and some of them were hauled off to jail. Their crime? Being poor; ergo out of sight, out of mind.
The poor will not disappear. They will haunt the land like a bunch of spectres. And Edwards told us so.
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Posted by: estherme on Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM
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Posted by: Candleinheart on Jan 31, 2008 12:20 PM
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I felt the media was cruel and ruthless.Keeping him in the background like Gravel, Kucinich, Paul. Democracy? It was lost when these thugs took over. Terror in Iraq? (a smokescreen) Democracy?(another false front) Peace? (Laugh) . Remember someone just gave out the info that Bush and Co. lied to us 936 times. Bush ....Peace? Should get him a stand up comic spot. He went over there to seal a 20 billion dollar deal for his military pals. The whole thing has made me so ashamed of my country, the killing of innocents, millions homeless, etc. We are the terrorists. Wake up! Edwards and Kucinich were fresh voices in the wilderness. They had heart. They truly cared, but the nation still sleeps, is drugged, and glued to TV believing it is The Truth. People so desensitized by false TV they can't scream for or recognize the good people who really are on their side. As someone stated, perhaps Edwards, like Carter is meant for something grander and nobler for his life than being smothered by the corruption in Wash.. All along I hoped for a Edwards/Kucinich ticket. They would have seen a cleansing fire in Washington. Only The People can bring change. Not one person.
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Posted by: 2dogarage on Jan 31, 2008 12:21 PM
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You could have been fighting the good fight all along but just like your compatriots you jump on the bandwagon after it has already left the station. Thanks for being on the cutting edge of what many of us already knew a long time ago and were trying in vain to get someone to print.
This whole "freedom from choice" debacle is the fault of the media, even the so called "progressive media". In fact the so called progressive media may have even done more damage since it had the ear of so called progressives and delivered the black or woman message directly to them while pointedly ignoring Edwards--the true progressive.
Feh!
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Posted by: LJAllen on Jan 31, 2008 4:52 PM
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Can you say, Vice-President Edwards?
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Posted by: LJAllen on Jan 31, 2008 4:52 PM
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Can you say, Vice-President Edwards?
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Posted by: Brian70 on Feb 7, 2008 10:24 AM
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I pretty much agree with what everybody has said about him so far. I don't know the man personally, but just in examining what he did, something doesn't seem right. For example, he has been campaigning for over 13 months, and now just a few days before Super Tuesday he suspends his campaign? Surely he was going to win some delegates on Tuesday and maybe even win 1st or 2nd in a State or two! More delegates would give him more power at the convention. Why didn't he campaign through Super Tuesday as it was only a few days away? Something happened. A deal cut? Innuendo of threats made? Bobby Kennedy scenerio? I don't know, but everyone should know something must have happened for him to suspend his campaign when he did. I simply feel that he is not a man that would go back and leave his supporters in the lurch when he has such convictions for his causes. As he pointed out several times that it was in his soul to promote his principals.
I would recommend that Edwards supporters still write him in and vote for him. Give him more delegates to work with. That's what I'm going to do. How's the media going to stop us from doing that? (I'm not that tech smart, maybe someone could create a write in website)?
I also hope that constituents in Nancy Pelosis' district vote her out in the primaries and send a different Democrat to take her place. Same with Conyers. We put these people in positions of power by electing and sending a Democratic majority to congress and they have ignored their constituents, The Constitution and the will of The American people. All for their own political gain. Get rid of them! Send a message!
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 30, 2008 10:43 AM
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1- How heavy handed the hostility of the MSM to Edwards' message has been from front to back.
2- How so many Democratic voters cannot tell the difference between a Republican-lite like Billary or Obama and a real Democrat.
3- How many people are insane enough to let a talk show host influence their vote. Talk about shallow.
I will be taking a vacation from voting this year. If Obama or Billary are the best the Democrats can do, I'll pass. No work, no wallet and no vote. As I already have two Blue-Tick (read Republican) 'Democratic ' Senators and a similar Representative, why should I bother to vote for a Blue-Tick in the Primary or General Election? I get a Republican either way.
Thanks guys. The Republicans just won the 2008 Presidential election- regardless of which candidate wins. You can go back to Oprah, People Magazine and Entertainment Tonight now. Just don't count on my vote, money or effort. I am too disgusted.
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Posted by: minjiwe on Jan 30, 2008 1:40 PM
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Posted by: onevoter on Jan 30, 2008 1:51 PM
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If you do what is necessary to get on the ballot in all 50 states, then you should remain a choice for voters. Unfortunately, money rules the system.
Blame it on corporations, the mainstream media, talk radio, etc, but the real problem is money, or the lack of it. We should have public financing of campaigns, with no personal money or any other donations allowed.
The "debates" should include any and all who are on the ballot, and should be sponsored by the government. Put them on C-Span. Let the voters decide, something which isn't happening now.
Between the money-soaked primary system and the antiquated electoral college, we do not really elect our President.
Change? Yeah, we need plenty of change....
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Posted by: poco on Jan 30, 2008 6:27 PM
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jan 30, 2008 8:23 PM
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Any Dem is better for us... but you can see that we will have no real change in the future no matter what, because these two have bought into the trickle down mantra too - they aren't talking about taxing the top earners as they should be taxed for all of their advantages and abuse of the median and under-income consumer.
Agreed on the shallowness of some voters. It's telegenics, not thinking, that dominates. Talk show hosts, not self examination.
It's the most dumbed down society ever as our schools perpetuate this by not teaching defensive economics, morals, humility, and public service - and that outrage should be expressed. Where are those subjects in the cirriculum? Purposefully left out and complicit empty media fueled idiocracy...has done us in.
300 or so days to go. Hoping for whatever crumbs are left - but the progressive agenda is in tatters. The masters of the universe have won - again.
Our only hope is that these two Dems are being cunningly conciliatory to the Wall Streeters as they fight on in the primaries and perhaps once installed in office they might pursue a truly brave agenda to right the incredible amounts of wrongs engineered by this plutocratic regime.
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Posted by: Ivann on Jan 30, 2008 10:52 PM
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I'll tell you this. In this country neither Clinton nor Obama is electable (female/black) & the Repugs will have a field day with them. Furthermore, if as now seems more & more likely, McCain is the GOP candidate, with the loonies relegated to the trashcan, he will seem like a less risky choice to many than Clinton or Obama.
So there you have it. A seventy something President suffering from skin cancer probably with Lieberman as VP. God help us all.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 31, 2008 4:21 AM
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Edwards is a rich guy, with a previous record as an establishment Democrat, touring poor areas of the South, and making poverty part of his crusade. Remind you of anyone?
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Posted by: jefhadist on Jan 31, 2008 4:56 AM
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Posted by: otto on Jan 31, 2008 4:59 AM
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Posted by: Prairie Waif on Jan 31, 2008 6:08 AM
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I heard him speak about the dangers of media concentration early on in the campaign in a way that those of the "dumbed down" educational system could understand. He discussed the foreign ownership of the press and the collective ownership of the television, newspaper and other media markets and WHY this was so WRONG. People understood and decided to take back their mechanisms to find out some truths via media.
The threat was too much and the "chat" of haircuts and "trial lawyer" and "extremely rich white, candidate became the qualifiers before John Edwards, Presidential Candidate running on a poverty platform.
To discuss the breaking of the EMPIRES built during the Clinton era, when they have their "Hillary, Goddess Warrior" to maintain her husband's legacy must be maintained and the relentless marginization and relegation of Edwards to "page 4" was determined and indeed, guaranteed.
Discussing and explaining Corporate Welfare in laymen's terms nailed the coffin shut against such corporate schill's as Clinton and Obama. When Edwards' discussed limiting corporate welfare on Government contracts? The rest of his campaign became one of heading off the jokes about his person and not his place in the candidate debate; it became office water cooler conversation and fodder for "funny" email "FW:." The vilification John Edwards was on and the funeral pyre of his campaign was being stoked by Hillay's sense of entitlement and corporate "handlers."
And now? I REFUSE to vote for Hillary. Would rather cross my finger behind my back to vote for anyone of the Republicans that may not know how to appreciate the number of Democrats that voted for them, but it most certainly will let Hillary and Bill we won't elect them for the THIRD time.
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Posted by: bilbehr2007 on Jan 31, 2008 6:27 AM
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But we need more. The issue of poverty, headlining every other issue (global climate change, war, crime-by-the-rich and so on), and dovetailing smoothly with them, is not dead,and if it is moribund, we need to breath life into it! Al Gore did it. Edward's message was heard by the people, is a populist message, and we need a populist movement to keep this issue on the front of the screen. If Barak is president we need to hold his feet to the fire, Hillary even more so, if McCain, we need to depend on each other for a place to hide.
Si, se peude!
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Posted by: MeridaLady on Jan 31, 2008 7:08 AM
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Americans finally had a chance to get back some dignity and fix our country but when Edwards was forced out and the American people just let it happen, well I give up!
Nothing in America will change. The campaigns will amount to petty bickering publicity on both sides and the cheap talk that has no substance.
It doesn't matter how you vote now, Rep., Dem. Green or Independent(last 2 won't happen), you all are in for more of the same. Good luck to you. Cheers
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Posted by: using on Jan 31, 2008 9:00 AM
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I too believed that he was our one hope. However, I do believe that Bill who wrote on the blogs is right -- WE NEED TO ORGANIZE -- so we can hold the next democratic president feet to the fire.
We cannot count on the remaining candidates to do the job.
Edwards carved out a road. Now we, those of us that understood him and fear the ever escalating downward spiriling conditions in this country need to group together and figure out a plan --of how we can awaken the populace to action.
Sitting and waiting for the right candidate has not worked for us. Roosevelt had lots of enemies, but the people were ready to receive him. We, need to find a way to unite and strengthen ourselves so either an Edwards can step up to the plate or we can help the incomng candidates grow into a champion of the democracy and the people.
The first order of business is: how can we, who are strangers from different walks of life and do not feel particularly empowered, or flush with money begin the process of uniting and planning an agenda that will release our internal strength so we can stand for ourselves and each other?.
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Posted by: luzmejor on Jan 31, 2008 9:20 AM
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Edwards was a truth-teller and, what is worse, the truths he told them made his too-proud countrymen feel guilty and ineffectual.
Of course, we must know the bad news before we can change anything for the better, but Americans are lazy, wimpy and addicted to their rose-colored glasses.
The truth is so frightening to them that they are forever kept from improving even their own living conditions. All Edwards could do was to make them angry and that is not his fault, but theirs.
We haven't heard the last of Edwards, though. Just like Jimmy Carter, he will be more effective (and less threatening to establishment types) in his other roles in life.
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Posted by: motamanx on Jan 31, 2008 9:21 AM
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We can't even impeach the treasonous liars now occupying the White House. Is it possible that the corporate interests have won, permanently?
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Posted by: womanwarrior on Jan 31, 2008 9:39 AM
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However, you referred to him as a "corporate" lawyer. He did not represent corporations, but instead he represented individuals who had been harmed. He was effective in getting people justice from insurance companies, and from corporations who would not take responsibility for the harm they caused others. He was proud to be a trial lawyer for people.
Hillary Clinton is a "corporate" lawyer. Her firm defended corporations and she was sitting on the Board of Walmart for years.
John Edwards worked in the trenches against corporations and he is a good lawyer. I am sorry I cannot vote for him in a primary and for president.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 31, 2008 9:55 AM
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These candidates profess to know what's best for us and year after year it's the same old, same old: another war and fewer jobs. The cycle continues.
No candidate, save Edwards, made helping the poor the epicenter of his campaign. And it fell on deaf ears. He could have been the one to address their plight to the nation, but we're too damned busy spending our time in malls apeing the latest clothing style or milling about inside an Apple computer store or watching a reality TV show or wondering which celebrity is having problems. Reality bites us hard, huh? Pressure!
Adding to this somber tale is the news of foreclosures reaching an all-time high. In sum, the poor are regarded as feces to be avoided on Easy Street. (Watch your step!!) You know it's awfully hard to ignore garbage on your street and you know also that YOU will not pick it up. That's our attitude towards the poor. Yes, they're getting by in Section 8 housing or shacking up in a garage. It's a cruel and stark reminder of social Darwinism today.
Meanwhile Los Angeles police conducted a sweep of Skid Row and some of them were hauled off to jail. Their crime? Being poor; ergo out of sight, out of mind.
The poor will not disappear. They will haunt the land like a bunch of spectres. And Edwards told us so.
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Posted by: thealltheone on Jan 31, 2008 10:21 AM
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Posted by: estherme on Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM
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Posted by: Candleinheart on Jan 31, 2008 12:20 PM
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I felt the media was cruel and ruthless.Keeping him in the background like Gravel, Kucinich, Paul. Democracy? It was lost when these thugs took over. Terror in Iraq? (a smokescreen) Democracy?(another false front) Peace? (Laugh) . Remember someone just gave out the info that Bush and Co. lied to us 936 times. Bush ....Peace? Should get him a stand up comic spot. He went over there to seal a 20 billion dollar deal for his military pals. The whole thing has made me so ashamed of my country, the killing of innocents, millions homeless, etc. We are the terrorists. Wake up! Edwards and Kucinich were fresh voices in the wilderness. They had heart. They truly cared, but the nation still sleeps, is drugged, and glued to TV believing it is The Truth. People so desensitized by false TV they can't scream for or recognize the good people who really are on their side. As someone stated, perhaps Edwards, like Carter is meant for something grander and nobler for his life than being smothered by the corruption in Wash.. All along I hoped for a Edwards/Kucinich ticket. They would have seen a cleansing fire in Washington. Only The People can bring change. Not one person.
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Posted by: 2dogarage on Jan 31, 2008 12:21 PM
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You could have been fighting the good fight all along but just like your compatriots you jump on the bandwagon after it has already left the station. Thanks for being on the cutting edge of what many of us already knew a long time ago and were trying in vain to get someone to print.
This whole "freedom from choice" debacle is the fault of the media, even the so called "progressive media". In fact the so called progressive media may have even done more damage since it had the ear of so called progressives and delivered the black or woman message directly to them while pointedly ignoring Edwards--the true progressive.
Feh!
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Posted by: LJAllen on Jan 31, 2008 4:52 PM
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Can you say, Vice-President Edwards?
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Posted by: LJAllen on Jan 31, 2008 4:52 PM
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Can you say, Vice-President Edwards?
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Posted by: Brian70 on Feb 7, 2008 10:24 AM
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I pretty much agree with what everybody has said about him so far. I don't know the man personally, but just in examining what he did, something doesn't seem right. For example, he has been campaigning for over 13 months, and now just a few days before Super Tuesday he suspends his campaign? Surely he was going to win some delegates on Tuesday and maybe even win 1st or 2nd in a State or two! More delegates would give him more power at the convention. Why didn't he campaign through Super Tuesday as it was only a few days away? Something happened. A deal cut? Innuendo of threats made? Bobby Kennedy scenerio? I don't know, but everyone should know something must have happened for him to suspend his campaign when he did. I simply feel that he is not a man that would go back and leave his supporters in the lurch when he has such convictions for his causes. As he pointed out several times that it was in his soul to promote his principals.
I would recommend that Edwards supporters still write him in and vote for him. Give him more delegates to work with. That's what I'm going to do. How's the media going to stop us from doing that? (I'm not that tech smart, maybe someone could create a write in website)?
I also hope that constituents in Nancy Pelosis' district vote her out in the primaries and send a different Democrat to take her place. Same with Conyers. We put these people in positions of power by electing and sending a Democratic majority to congress and they have ignored their constituents, The Constitution and the will of The American people. All for their own political gain. Get rid of them! Send a message!
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