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Tupperware-Style Taser Parties

By Silja J.A. Talvi, In These Times. Posted January 31, 2008.


The stun-gun-wielding housewife is coming to a suburb near you.

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The SUV-driving, stun-gun-wielding housewife is coming to a suburb near you. In Arizona, Tupperware-style Taser parties have become all the rage, thanks to the enterprising savvy of saleswoman Dana Shafman, founder of Shieldher Inc.

Shafman's little soirees aren't just popular, they're also highly profitable. Over light conversation and snacks, women are invited to handle the palm-sized C2, the latest (and smallest) civilian version of a Taser stun gun. The C2 is also the most affordable Taser to hit the market, starting at $299.99 -- with an option to upgrade the C2 with a $50 laser beam to better the chances of debilitating a human target. Because practice makes perfect, the women in attendance are encouraged to grab a C2 and take turns shooting at a cardboard cutout representing a male attacker.

"I felt that we have Tupperware parties and candle parties to protect our food and house, so why not have a Taser party to learn how to protect our lives and bodies?" Shafman told the the Arizona Republic. Shafman projects that the parties will be held in at least a half-dozen other states by March.

The C2 comes in four iPod-matching metallic colors: "Hot pink" has been the top seller since the weapon hit the consumer market last summer. While the company admits that men, too, might benefit from carrying the mini-stunner, Taser's marketing strategy has been directed at the phobic and fashion-forward female consumer.

Last July, The New York Times previewed the C2's debut with a feature article titled, "Feeling Secure With a Little Shocking Pink." Accompanying the article was a glamour-action photo of Taser International President Kathy Hanrahan with the weapon in hand. Hanrahan made no bones about the C2's direct marketing strategy and conceptual design: "It's a woman's product," she said.

In a number of promotional media appearances and technology conference presentations since that time, Taser officials have even gone so far as to dub the C2 the "Lady Taser."

"When you're going out to a nightclub or you have the device clipped onto your belt at a business meeting, you don't want to look like Dirty Harry," company spokesperson Steve Tuttle told ABC News last summer.

In what could have easily passed as a terribly tacky infomercial, ABC News ran a December 2007 "Money Matters" segment praising the palm-sized stunner as an exciting holiday gift for women, in which anchor Laura Marquez described the C2 as a "Taser with a softened look."

Despite a plethora of headline-making news over the course of the year -- including the notorious "Don't Tase Me, Bro" incident during Sen. John Kerry's (D-Mass.) University of Florida speech in September 2007 -- ABC News showcased Taser's own video montage of alleged male criminals being stunned into submission. For the ABC News segment, the network opted for a large-font text banner to accompany the images: "Tasers Sold to Protect Women."

None of those video snippets actually depicted women being attacked, and the network's Taser-friendly sloganeering (and Marquez's ridiculously soft-balled questions) didn't seem coincidental in the least.

The Scottsdale, Ariz., corporation has spent years honing a relentless public relations campaign -- complete with a Rolodex of at-the-ready medical, legal and law enforcement stun technology "experts" -- that seems to have convinced many news outlets that Taser's word is gospel truth.

The success of Taser's C2 sales over the past several months can largely be attributed to the company's aggressive strategy to play on women's worst fears of assault and rape. While the C2 might look cute, it is utterly debilitating -- a serious step up, as it were, from older self-defense products like mace and pepper spray.


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Silja J.A. Talvi is an investigative journalist and the author of Women Behind Bars: The Crisis of Women in the U.S. Prison System (Seal Press: 2007). Her work has already appeared in many book anthologies, including It's So You (Seal Press, 2007), Prison Nation (Routledge: 2005), Prison Profiteers (The New Press: 2008), and Body Outlaws (Seal Press: 2004). She is a senior editor at In These Times.

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Outlaw These Things
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 31, 2008 12:25 AM   
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1- Electrocuting someone is torture, no matter how someone tries to explain it away.
2- These should never have been sold to private citizens.
3- Law Enforcement (who happen to be civilians, they aren't in the Armed Forces- thus civilian law enforcement) should not routinely have them.
4- The manufacturer(s) should be sued out of business.

Countless people, due to things such as undiagnosed arrhythmias, could DIE after a shock from one of these devices. Since there is no way for citizens or law enforcement to know who is susceptible, it should be presumed to be deadly force. It is also quite possible to harm or kill people with pacemakers, neurostimulators, defibrillators, internal insulin pumps and other electronic medical devices. I am not sure, but would guess it could trigger seizures in some epileptic patients.

Aside from all that, think about how barbaric electrocuting someone into submission is. The fact that law-enforcement has been sold on these things being benign ought to tell you something about how abased our culture has become.

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Rosa Parks
Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Jan 31, 2008 2:31 AM   
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If Rosa Parks tried to make her famous statement by disobedience today, she would get tased. Ghandi? Tased. MLK tased too.

Peaceful, non-violent disobedience became such an effective tool in political discourse because our societies had reached a point where killing someone for peacefuly dissenting was considered...unpolite, at best. Any decent folk, no matter how conservative or pro status quo, would frown on lethal force beign use on harmless demonstrators. Sure, you had police sticks, tear gas et al, but whenever things escalated to that, you could tell demonstrators had made a point.

Tasers change the game. Tasers hurt. A lot. Much more than a blow by a lead-core rubber stick. Sure, it wont break your bones, but the fear of inmediate pain is bigger than that of an hypotetical injure. And then, you can die. And its way easier to pacify someone by hitting a button than engaging in full riot gear.

You can't blame an existing medical condition for someone's death if you break his skull. But cardiac arrest? people die of that every day around us, for many reasons. We know lack of exercise, smoking, bad diet or too much work can lead us to it, and then there are genetic factors. So the taser is just "another factor" right? In the case of the wheelchair-bound woman mentioned in the article, officials didnt hesitate to mention she was obese, in bad shape, one even saying She was a dead woman walking (except she didn't walk, you bright one you). So the victim becomes the culprit.

If peacefully refusing to obey authority will get you executive punishment, even death, peaceful resistance lose its effectivenes. Because the forementioned decent folk is beign indoctrinated to think that if you die from a taser shot, something inside you wasn't right in the first place.

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» RE: osa Parks Posted by: Indy Thinker
America - A Case Study in Schizophrenic Law and Behavior
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 31, 2008 3:26 AM   
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It's really no surprise that in a nation obsessed with personal protection, where the right to own firearms, even semi-automatic weapons, is enshrined somehow as "sacred," that tasers would take on the popularity that they have. America remains a case study in schizophrenic law and behavior. While severe penalties abound for marijuana use and so-called "improper use of controlled substances," and many roads have ridiculously low speed limits (compared with Europe), you can legally own and carry tasers, firearms, and mace. If your "smart" in America, you can be a business owner, work your people to the bone and cheat on your taxes. Meanwhile, the U.S. government won't care, in fact, they will sanction your behavior and encourage it. If you want to be cynical, I guess perhaps having all these guns, tasers, whatever as legal, is a way of America contributing to the illusion that her citizens have that they can really and ultimately protect themselves from the rabid behavior of each other. After all, America's prisons are full of violent offenders (and the rest are so-called drug offenders). Unfortunately, however, all these people with the weapons never go after the elite, well-moneyed, upper 1% ruling class (that owns over 1/3rd of America's wealth), instead, they pathetically just attack each other, and end up dead or in jail by the tens of thousands. America, what a strange society and culture.

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Obsession by self defense
Posted by: Pau on Jan 31, 2008 3:41 AM   
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I am always surprised by this american obsession with self defense, which results not only in the proliferation of guns and weapons, but also of crime.
Is the base of it a deep sense of insecurity, a distrust of fellow beings or what?
One may think that one cause would be the failure of government and the system to provide adequate security

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Before the gun toters start popping up, here's something to say.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 31, 2008 4:10 AM   
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America is a nation that was built on and credited with violence. From simple disputes to foreign policy, war and aggression is deemed to be the "panacea". In this era of lawlessness, a gun or taser is the "solution" for solving disputes. I suppose the gun toters would like to say something like this "If my job gets outsourced, I'd like to kill my boss and call if self-defending my job. If a coworker is using the copier and I've been waiting too long, I'll just shoot 'em and get my turn quickly. If I have an argument with my spouse or kids, I can just shut 'em up with my taser/gun and save some discussion time. Besides, America goes to war when it's got an energy crisis and only commies want alternative renewables. We have to KILL KILL KILL !!"

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KAEL
Posted by: KAEL on Jan 31, 2008 5:58 AM   
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I'll take mine in pink! Tasers have saved hundreds of lives where guns would have been used in the past by police to stop the violent suspect or criminal. Assuming this civilian version is weaker than police-strength, it could be a good alternative to pepper spray or a gun. Some of us work in very unsafe neighborhoods and are on the road at all hours. Some of us have considered owning a gun for a long time but couldn't bring ourselves to that. This is a reasonable alternative for those of us who do not have cushie jobs in safe neighborhoods during daylight hours.

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I am SICK of being victimized myself,
Posted by: boydranchitos on Jan 31, 2008 7:11 AM   
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and intend to purchase a taser at my first opportunity. I assume all the rest of you who are so against the possibility of defending themselves in this fashion have gone through life completely unmolested. Must be nice.
My first sexual experience was a brutal gang rape, which followed on the heels of a severe beating on the street, both crimes committed by total strangers. The provocation I offered in both instances was solely the fact of my existence. And it can happen to you too.
On both occasions, there were witnesses who did not trouble themselves with risking an intervention, nor did they even bother to inform the authorities.
I did attempt to file reports about the crimes afterwards, but was told that I had "asked for it" by not being at home where a woman belongs. Thanks for nothing.....
And this attitude towards women is different from that the Islamists in what way?
So I got the message... I am on my own against all predators.
I will not use any weapon I may have at any time proactively, but I'm dammed if I am ever going to be victimized again if I can help it.
The rest of you are on your own too, and I hope you don't find out the hard way. Good luck with being defenseless.... it may be the moral high ground, but here's another fact for you to chew on.... gang rape HURTS. Just thought I would mention that, since some of the comments here indicate a few of you don't realize that.
BTW, I strongly oppose taser use by so-called law enforcement. They have proven to me that as a class, they have no sense of judgement or proportion, and they have mis-used their weapons repeatedly in well-documented assaults on defenseless people.
Very far from my personal style.
From my lifelong experience with cops, when I am in trouble, I follow the advice of that old bumpersticker.... I call a hippie! And I'll be packing a taser .....

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» RE: I am SICK of being victimized myself, Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Why?
Posted by: Axiom69 on Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM   
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Why do people on here think it is wrong for a woman to carry a taser? Would you rather she carried a Glock? ANYTHING can be abused. You don't outlaw something because some knucklehead used it to make a handcuffed suspect be quiet. By doing that you remove an option for the thousands of other officers that have used it as an alternative to shooting someone.
Pepper spray has been misused. Batons have been misused. (Remember Rodney King?) Tasers have been misused. Water cannons have been misused and don't forget tear gas. Bean bag bullets have even killed people. Spike strips to stop fleeing suspects have caused fatal accidents. Outlawing all these items because someone got hurt ignores all the people that didn't die because these options were available.

Go ahead rate me a 1 and call me a troll but next time your at a protest that gets out of hand because of a few stupid individuals just ask yourself if you prefer the police to have Pepperspray or shotguns? Tear gas or shotguns? Batons or shotguns? Tasers or shotguns? What would you rather those shotguns were loaded with? Bean bags or lead?

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Walled estates
Posted by: zeofredo on Jan 31, 2008 7:44 AM   
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Of course, the well-off citizens of the 'Untied States' will not stop until they have something like Colombia, that "paragon of freedom" in South America. Rather than consider the dire consequences of their lifestyle, it makes sense for such privileged folks to arm and guard themselves and invest in sturdy walls topped with crushed glass and paramilitary escorts when you want to go for a drive in the country. With arrogance comes huge capacity for denial.

The mentality of this class is so whacked out that exterminating cockroaches will seem a more attainable goal by comparison. (Don't forgive the metaphor!)

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UNBEF$%$%KINGLIEVABLE!!!
Posted by: jrmart on Jan 31, 2008 7:44 AM   
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HERE IN MASS, STUN GUNS HAVE BEEN OUTLAWED FOR YEARS. LAW AND ORDER OUGHT TO DO A SHOW ON A WOMAN TAZING HER NEIGHBOR TO DEATH AND HOLD THE MANUFACTURER AND SELLER RESPONSIBLE.

THIS IS NOT ONLY EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, IT IS VERY SOON GOING TO BE IN CRIMINAL HANDS.

LOOK HOW THOSE RENT A COPS IN FLORIDA USED IT WHEN IT WAS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.

A FEDERAL BAN MUST BE INSTITUTED IMMEDIATELY.

A QUICK WAY TO STOP THESE PARTIES WOULD BE TO REQUIRE THE GIVER TO BE TAZED AND EACH PURCHASER TO BE TAZED BEFORE A SALE COULD BE MADE!!!

AND WHAT ABOUT THE ANGRY HOUSEWIFE WHO IS UPSET WITH HUBBY?

TEACHING THAT THIS IS A HUMANITARIAN WAY OF SUBDUING SOMEONE IS A TOTAL LIE. CRIMINAL LIABILTIY MUST APPLY.

I THINK I WILL CHECK WITH MASS GOVERNMENT TO SEE IF THESE FALL UNDER THE STUN GUN RULE

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More Study Needed
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Jan 31, 2008 8:11 AM   
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electropigs

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By the way, America doesn't need guns or tasers.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 31, 2008 8:13 AM   
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It needs vigilante type skills ala Paul Kersey (hint: Charles Bronson). Until then, the guns and tasers are void.

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Tasers are a cure for emotionally challenged
Posted by: Inlander on Jan 31, 2008 8:26 AM   
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police officers.

This country will taze itself to death and still argue and debate the right or wrong for decades to come. This will go on for longer than the fight against and for the death penalty. As if we are truly a Christian nation. I have for one yet to see anything resembling Christian behavior in a very very long time.

So if the officer had only one choice, his gun, would he have used it on the 5 year old boy holding the piece of glass? Would he have shot the 11 year girl who threw rocks at a group of boys for beating on her?

What is wrong is that these excuses used are outright lies to fool you into believing they are safer than guns when in fact "Guns don't kill people, People kill people." Now we have a new one. Tasers don't burn people, people burn people.

I know two people who where tazed. One was protecting his 4 yr old boy from his drunken mother who was the one that initiated the 911 call so the officers tazed the father because he refused to back away from the door and talk.

Tasers are a tool for dolling out punishment. Period.

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Just Got a C2 For Mom
Posted by: Joe on Jan 31, 2008 8:56 AM   
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and have no regrets. It's gives me more comfort knowing she'll have some chance to fight back if needed. She went through the background check (for whatever it's worth) and we both went through the training DVD so she'll be more comfortable handling the weapon. I rather protect my mom from being a victim now rather than cry about the world later.

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» RE: Just Got a C2 For Mom Posted by: maxpayne
The Taser -- a step forward
Posted by: BenCaxton12 on Jan 31, 2008 9:37 AM   
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In an article relying heavily on police misfeasance to illustrate why civilians shouldn't have Tasers another vital point got lost.

The Taser, in addition to being a sub-lethal weapon like a baseball bat or a fire extinguisher ... it is also an ACCOUNTABLE weapon. When used, sprays the scene with little mylar dots with the individual power pack's serial number on each of them. There's no question of finding an undamaged bullet for a 'ballistic match.'

And what's even better, the NRA is not manning the barricades to oppose the registration of THESE serial numbers.

Should the legal standard for Taser use be the same "deadly force" and "last ditch" standard used for knives and guns ? HELLYEAH! If no one dies, there's still an Assault with a Deadly Weapon charge to bring if the shooter was capricious or malicious.

Until there is never any need anywhere for a means of personal self-defense ... the Taser is still a safer, better choice than a pistol in the pocket or a razor in the shoe.

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I teach self-defense
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jan 31, 2008 9:38 AM   
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If you're worried about protecting yourself, there's plenty you can do BEFORE going to a weapon. If your first choice and only choice is a taser, you're not being very smart, and you're likely to get yourself in big trouble.

I was shocked at a study I saw regarding police use of firearms. Even at 6 feet, they missed their target 49 percent of the time. At longer distances, the accuracy drops off to the point that they hit practically nothing at 40 feet or more.

I watched a video of a shootout between a convenience store clerk and a robber. They both emplied their weapons and hit nothing.

In another case, a jewelry store owner who was packing got into a "quick draw" contest with a perp, only to find that he had left his safety on and the perp got him. Fortunately, the perp was even dumber than he was, and had gone on his big adventure with just 3 rounds in his gun.

A study regarding bladed weapons against armed police showed that the police are likely to be stabbed before they get out their side arms if the distance is under 15 feet. Combine this with the previous study, and you could conclude that even firearms aren't going to be good enough if you don't have decent self-defense training (and situational awareness) to go with it. I've watched numerous cops get taken down on Court TV because they had poor self-defense training. The gun alone didn't do it for them

I'm 65, but I'll guarrantee you that I can get that taser out of the hands of the women posting here before they get me.

For the rest of you goobers, if you're going to depend on weapons for self protection, you need a lot more training than most of you have. That gun, taser, spray, etc. ain't magic. It can end up being your own worst enemy. The police often end up getting shot with their own weapons. (I saw this once in New York.)

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The Old fashion Way
Posted by: laurababy0105 on Jan 31, 2008 9:55 AM   
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I would rather take care of attackers the old fashion way, scream at them and tell them that their behavior is not very Chrisian like, if that doesn't work, kick them in the groin, if that doesn't work, SHOOT THEM.

I figure 3 strikes and you are out.

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Ah now I see
Posted by: DaBear on Jan 31, 2008 10:12 AM   
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After reading this piece I now understand why the local Sheriff's Dept is showing tasers to elementary school children in SoCal, promoting their use by parents.

First we arm the rich privileged ladies, then the school children... I'm okay with it as long as the cops don't mind tasers being used on them when they're out of control.

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Before the PC'ers get their panties in a bunch....
Posted by: kamcallen on Jan 31, 2008 10:20 AM   
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All nations were founded on violence. Read your history books folks - America isn't the first country brought into being by violence and certainly won't be the last.

Karon

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Not A Good Idea
Posted by: blood_donor on Jan 31, 2008 10:53 AM   
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Tasers are not a good idea for the following reasons:

* You may think they are non-lethal, but some people due to medical conditions may in fact get killed;
* You only get one shot, or maybe two if it is a 2 shot device.
* Tasers can be defeated by thick clothing, or deflected by hard objects like belts, jewelry, books, etc.

A much better approach to self defense is a two-step strategy. Use pepper spray or mace as your non-lethal deterrent, and if that is not appropriate for a situation, use a gun, preferably a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun loaded with small buckshot (#4). For portable defense, use at least 9mm or .38+P.

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Utah Highway Patrol tasers man in front of pregnant wife and baby over an alleged speeding ticket.
Posted by: Centavo on Jan 31, 2008 11:01 AM   
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Step this way, please.

You can justify your 'rights' anyway you want, but however you cut it there's no denying that American society is one very sick puppy.

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Outlaw everything!
Posted by: Cwood on Jan 31, 2008 11:45 AM   
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Holy Crap! Outlaw these things! And while we're at it, lets outlaw...

-all guns
-all knives (including kitchen knives)
-pepper spray and mace
-baseball bats
-bike chains
-those little metal rods on keychains that people buy for self-defense
-steel capped boots

People could go crazy with any of these things and torture other people for no reason with them! We can't have that risk!

Tasers have been available on the market for years to civillians, but apparently the fact that they're being marketed to women now is making them scary? Are we to assume that women don't have the mental capacity to use these things with discretion? I guess your average "emotional girl" will just go for the taser at any chance she's got, and the valid uses of them for self-protection (and these will be frequent, given the frequency of vioence against women) will be far outnumbered by the incidents of "casual tasing."

But I'm glad that we've all decided that what's best for the women who may want to buy these is to keep them out of their incapable hands, and leave them to their more tried and true methods of protecting themselves from predators. Because everyday we see how well that works.

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I don't get it...
Posted by: Ayla87 on Jan 31, 2008 12:17 PM   
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Why is everyone having so bent out of shape over a group of women with tasers? Would you rather they have guns? Would you rather they be trained extensively in the martial arts so that they know at any given time three ways to kill the person standing next to them? People have a right to defend themselves, we shouldn't have to live in fear.

Why are you all so bent out of shape over people defending themselves? I don't get it. Have you never been attacked yourselves? My older sisters house was broken into last month, while she was still in bed. The guy walked right up the stairs to the room next door and started going through her things. She was so scared that all she could do was hide her face in her pillow and pretend she was asleep. She had no other defences. No taser, no gun, nothing. Her dog was tied up in the living room, barking his head off in a way that she had never heard before.

Is that what you want for women like my sister? To hide and pray for the best? She was lucky, it was just a kid looking for his next fix. He was as scared as she was when he peered into her room and found her there. And when he was cuaght, they found my sisters licence on him, so they were able to convict him easily. He's lucky too. I had moved out of my sisters house just a month prior. I'm one of those women who've been trained to fight. I would've been awake and in the house at the time of the break in. I'd have him flying head first down the stairs if I was there, after I broke a few his ribs. Then I would've untied the dog. And the law would still be on my side.

People should have the right to defend themselves from others. Denying that to anyone would be a crime against humanity. How much force they should use is still debateable. But one thing is clear to me: anyone who forces their way into someone elses house needs to be met with some force to stop him. If that means tasering the bastard into submission so be it. He should of thought about that before he decided to commit a crime. Its not torture if its in self defense.

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» This one's easy. Posted by: carsoncitygal
I've been tased.
Posted by: Indy Thinker on Jan 31, 2008 3:14 PM   
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Being tased is a hair raising experience, but could have been easily avoided. My older brother got his hands on a personal taser that was a foot and a half long with metal strips on the side so that you couldn't grab the contraption without being shocked. Every one of his friends and colleagues were zapped at least once bringing many a grown men to tears. Many of those grown men knew of the metal strips but still tried to grab the device. Laughter, anger, and confusion followed the zap and you can guess from who. The way this could have been avoided was to walk the other way or run the other way. Anybody who is carrying a taser must be crazy and we should know that. The age old saying should be implemented here, "Just walk away", or be a warrior and be shocked for what you believe in.

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There are other things to worry about instead of not getting tasers already.
Posted by: carsoncitygal on Jan 31, 2008 4:00 PM   
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Before guns, crime was the same. After guns, no different. It's only theoretically possible that tasers can save you. As pointed out earlier, if you can't take care of yourself without a taser, you're not going to be able to take care of yourself even with one. It's like wasting taxpayer money building a Dept of "Homeland Security" when the airports should have been held accountable for not enforcing security laws which could have easily stopped the 19 hijackers in the first place. Guns don't take care of people. People take care of people.

Now let's get back to fixing the economy by cutting down on wasteful military spending which has done nothing to make this country any safer, cancel these "free trade" scams, tax the wealthy, reduce our dependence on foreign oil by increasing the CAFE standards and reign in big oil for their obscene profiteering for starters.

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What we need is a taser-like device...
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jan 31, 2008 4:33 PM   
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