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Is Our Fear of Germs Bad for Our Health?

By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted February 2, 2008.


The chemical industry has helped fortify our homes against microbial invasion. But is our fear of germs making us even sicker?

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The "vomiting virus" now sweeping across Britain may be headed our way. At the same time, San Francisco is being hit with a new strain of the nasty bacterium known as MRSA (methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus) -- this one responsible for "flesh-eating pneumonia."

Meanwhile, four patients were recently isolated in the University of Maryland Medical Center, infected with a multidrug resistant bacterium called Acinetobacter baumannii, which has attacked a number of Afghanistan war veterans. As one doctor said of the that bug, "When these people get infected ... you sort of say this is the last straw."

Those new menaces, and more, are joining the usual biological villains that lurk everywhere in midwinter.

Even more than in past years, we're turning to the chemical industry for help in fortifying the American home against microbial invasion. Few go as far as Jacques Niemand, a reclusive Briton who was killed last May by fumes rising from vast quantities of disinfectant that he kept in open buckets around his house to ward off infection. But lower-intensity chemical warfare on our invisible housemates is in full swing.

Many hospital patients and people with compromised immune systems depend for their very survival on large quantities of not-entirely-benign antimicrobial products. However, there appears to be widespread scientific consensus that for most routine home uses, thorough washing with soap provides sufficient protection.

In domestic use, there's the possibility that some antimicrobial products could induce disease-causing bacteria to evolve antibiotic resistance. Then, as they flow down the drain into sewers and beyond, significant tonnages can accumulate in the tissues of wildlife and people with potentially toxic consequences. And it could be that dramatic increases in asthma and allergy rates are related to immune-system distortion that comes from living in microbe-poor bubbles.

Homeland sterility enforcement

Brian Sansoni, vice president for communication and membership with the Soap and Detergent Association, cites a body of research showing that antibacterial soaps reduce the numbers of harmful bacteria on the skin or other surfaces and are especially useful when you're caring for elderly or immunosuppressed people, dealing with an infectious illness in the house, or preparing food.

"The bottom line," says Sansoni, "is that consumers can continue to safely use antibacterial soaps and hygiene products with confidence - as they already do in homes, schools, offices, hospitals and health care centers, day care centers and nursing homes - every single day."

Among family members who do most of the housecleaning, 71 percent say they prefer to use antibacterial products when available. And germ-killing products are more widely available than ever. As of 2001, 76 percent of liquid hand soaps and 29 percent of bar soaps contained antibacterial chemicals. Mintel's Global New Products Database has seen introductions of new antimicrobial products grow from fewer than 200 in 2003 to more than 1600 last year.

Once you've strategically placed chemical hand cleaners in the kitchen, bedroom, car, and office, you can stock up on antimicrobial toothpaste, cosmetics, kitchen counter wipes, cutting boards, knives, chopsticks, dishrags, gloves, underwear, bath towels, computer keyboards, toys, dog ear wipes, laundry detergent, and paint. The Amana Corporation is promoting a washing machine whose drum is impregnated with an antimicrobial chemical, and several manufacturers offer vacuum cleaners that are chemically resistant to bacteria or bathe your carpet in germ-killing ultraviolet light. And, if you're intent on leaving no bug unturned, you can subscribe to an antibacterial garbage can-cleaning service.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has registered 8,000 disinfectant products to date. That's required, because the law says they're pesticides. Whether it's referred to as "disinfectant" or "antibacterial" or "antimicrobial" or even the somewhat disturbing term "biocidal," each compound kills a range or organisms -- bacteria, fungi, yeast, or even the viruses that cause colds and flu -- but none fully eradicates them.

The most popular of these weapons are still products of pre-1970 "better living through chemistry." There are standbys like ammonia, pine oil, and chlorine bleach, as well as types of germ-killing super-detergents called quaternary ammonium compounds; most prominent in that latter class is benzalkonium chloride, the active ingredient in many disinfectant wipes and sprays.

The compound drawing the most recent attention has been triclosan, along with its cousin triclocarban. Those chemicals, 1960s-era spinoffs from weed-killer research, are considered safe enough to come into very close contact with the human body: in food preparation, bathing, and even for cleaning sex toys.

Chemical weapons can backfire

Triclosan regularly makes the news because of suspicions that it might select for populations of bacteria resistant to pharmaceutical antibiotics. That's because triclosan and some antibiotic drugs attack bacteria through similar mechanisms, and resistant bacteria use similar means to rid themselves of both types of (what are to them) toxins.

A 2003 study funded by Proctor & Gamble Company allayed concerns about washing dishes with antibacterial detergent, finding that genetic resistance did not increase in bacterial cultures exposed to triclosan for several months. At the time the paper was published, one of its authors, a scientist at a British university, told the press that Proctor & Gamble "does not produce a liquid dishwashing detergent that contains triclosan" -- implying that the company therefore had no conflict of interest. P&G did, however, make a range of other products containing the chemical, and soon after, began marketing triclosan-fortified dishwashing liquids as well.

An independent 2004 evaluation of bacterial cultures collected from hands in more than 200 upper-Manhattan households did not find a relationship between resistance to triclosan and resistance to antibiotics (pdf). The lead author on that study was Dr. Allison Aiello, now assistant professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan. She believes too little research that has been done to date, and much of what has been done was funded by industry.

Says Aiello, "There is still a big gap in surveillance and research on the ground." Now that lab research has made clearer the potential mechanisms by which triclosan might help breed bacteria resistant to clinical antibiotics, she says, "We need rigorous, independent, long-term studies on household use to fill the gaps in our knowledge."

Brian Sansoni also welcomes more research, but he says it shouldn't matter who pays for it: "The fact is, it's industry's responsibility to undertake and/or fund research on the ingredients they produce or are used in their products. It's a part of good product stewardship."

Back in the laboratory, there are hints of trouble. Research has shown, for example, that lab-selected strains of the disease-causing bacteria Salmonella enterica and Escherichia coli O157 resistant to triclosan or benzalkonium chloride also showed increased resistance to antibiotic drugs. Such "cross resistance" has been associated with use of other disinfectants as well, including pine oil, which is the natural active ingredient of Pine Sol.

Aiello points to another potential worry: "The triclosan concentrations used in medical settings are quite high, and are effective. But my work shows that the concentration in household soaps and detergents [only a tenth to a half of one percent, which is diluted further in cleaning] is too low to be very effective in reducing illness." On the other hand, she says, that lighter exposure may be just right for leaving behind genetically adapted bacteria.

To Sansoni, the threat of bacterial resistance is "suburban mythology." Pointing to the research of Aiello and others, he says, "The studies and the research to-date have shown there is no real world evidence linking the use of antibacterial products to antibiotic resistance."

"It is a shame," he adds, "that a few loud voices are trying to equate use of antibacterial products in the same breath with the known contributor to the antibiotic resistance problem: the over-prescription of antibiotic drugs by the medical community. It's like trying to compare an anthill to Mount Everest."

The associate director of the Clinical Microbiology Laboratory at the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha, Dr. Paul Fey, says he would be concerned if, as some studies indicate, the molecular "pumps" that resistant bacteria use to rid themselves of triclosan could also flush out medically important antibiotics. "That's another good reason why triclosan and other antibiotics should not be used in soaps, plastics, etc. And it's unnecessary. Plain soap itself is one of the best antimicrobials there is."

Sansoni cites an issue brief his group provided a US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) advisory committee in 2005, describing the benefits of antimicrobial bars, liquids, gels and wipes. In the end, that committee issued a nonbinding statement saying that in routine use, antibacterial soaps are no better at fending off illness than is regular soap, and that they might contribute to antibiotic resistance in bacteria. FDA took no action in response to the panel's recommendation.

Beyond the kitchen sink

Proctor & Gamble Company scientists have published studies showing that sewage treatment can break down triclosan. But, says Dr. Rebecca Sutton, staff scientist at the Oakland, Calif. office of the Environmental Working Group (EWG), "Our current water-treatment processes are not designed to deal with it, and they aren't dealing with it." She points to numerous studies finding triclosan and triclocarban througout the environment, including the waters of San Francisco Bay.

The US Geological Survey reported in 2002 on a wide range of potential pollutants found in stream across the country. Triclosan was identified in 58 percent of the samples. Out of 95 chemicals surveyed, triclosan was one of the most commonly detected, outstripped by only three others: caffeine, cholesterol, and a metabolite of nicotine.

As far back as 1998, the people of Sweden were spitting out two tons of triclosan per year in their antibacterial toothpastes alone. In 2002, the chemical was detected in the country's municipal wastewaters, fish, and human breast milk.

Triclocarban, of which 1.7 million pounds are produced in the US each year -- check that rusty orange label on your bar soap -- was found at high levels downstream from three sewage-treatment plants out of nine surveyed across nine states. But it was in the treated solids -- sludge -- where the chemical built up to more than a million times the concentration flowing into the plants.

Triclosan behaves similarly. Speaking to Scientific American, Rolf Halden of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health explained that their buildup in bacteria-laden sewage solids is of particular concern because sludge is used to fertilize food crops. That, he said, "could be a recipe for breeding antimicrobial resistance."

And along with resistant bacteria, there are the prospects of dead algae, ailing fish and amphibians, and even sick humans. In a 2003 Japanese study, triclosan was acutely toxic to very young fish and caused liver damage in older males. And triclocarban can amplify the action of testosterone in humans and rats.

In other recent experiments, triclosan disrupted the functioning of frogs' thyroid glands. That is especially worrisome, says Sutton, because "the effects occurred even at concentrations less that are found in many of the country's streams, and the human and frog thyroid systems are very similar."

The Fear Factor

To declare war on household bacteria is to lose -- inevitably. You've probably seen the slogan many times on Lysol products (manufactured by Reckitt Benckiser PLC): "Kills 99.9% of germs in 30 seconds." And who's to doubt it? But under good conditions, the much-feared bacterium Staphylococcus aureus, for example, doubles its numbers every 30 minutes through cell division. So once the Lysol has worn off and the surviving bacteria go back to multiplying, the population could grow to its pre-Lysol size in as little as 5 hours.

Rather than stockpile buckets of disinfectant and spray every surface in the house every few hours, most independent researchers recommend that we settle for a stalemate in the war on microbes. But the home-products industry has other ideas.

Along with nursing and family groups, Clorox cosponsors a "Say Boo to the Flu" campaign, which, along with videos on handwashing and vaccination, features microbiologist Dr. Kelly Reynolds of the University of Arizona advising parents to be sure the cleaning products they buy are labeled "disinfecting" or that they contain chlorine bleach or quaternary ammonium compounds -- both of which are made by Clorox.

(A well-publicized 2002 study conducted by Dr. Reynolds's Arizona colleagues -- and funded by Clorox -- found that the average office desk is populated with 400 times as many bacteria as the average toilet seat. That sounds terrifying until you remember that neither desks nor toilet seats are significant causes of any kind of illness.)

WebMD's Flu Prevention page, sponsored by Lysol, features straightforward articles like one on the universally recommended practice of handwashing with plain soap and water. Alongside that are "Flu tips for parents," in which a Dr. Jim Sears recommends that "one of the most important ways to protect your family and stop viruses dead in their tracks is to disinfect commonly touched surfaces with a disinfectant spray or wipe, such as those made by Lysol®."

The Dial Corporation, which kicked off combat against skin-borne microbes with a deodorant in the 1940s, boosted sales of its antibacterial soaps in 2003 with a series of less-than-subtle TV ads. Featuring a range of scenarios -- a kid urinating in a swimming pool, a man using someone else's sweat-drenched towel in a gym, a nudist group riding a bus -- the commercials fed buyers' germ-phobia.

One of the company's vice presidents told USA Today, "We had been talking to focus groups, and consumers were coming back and saying, 'I'm clean enough.' We were stuck with this dilemma. But we turned it around and came up with [the ads'] premise: 'You're not as clean as you think you are.'"

Antibacterial compounds in bar soap or shoe insoles are there to make you smell better, not to keep you healthy. Used in mop handles, computer mouses, or telephones, they are intended to protect the object, not you, against degradation by run-of-the-mill bacteria and fungi. And bathing with antibacterial soap offers no protection when you swallow pee-laced pool-water.

But paranoia sells.

The Reactionary Principle

A commentary last year in the journal Occupational and Environmental Medicine urged adoption of the well-known "Precautionary Principle" -- that when a substance or technology is suspected of being harmful, "precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully established scientifically." Instead, said the article, current research operates under the "Reactionary Principle." The author explained:

Under this system, anyone is free to introduce a new hazard into the environment, and governments must wait until an overwhelming body of evidence is accumulated before intervening. Each new regulatory action is challenged with the objective of slowing down or stopping public oversight ... We can see reactionary principle inaction in the unconscionable delays in regulating a long list of hazards whose risks were clear long before effective actions were taken to control them: asbestos, benzene, dioxins and PCBs. While these are "old" hazards, a reactionary approach is evident as well in many current controversies in our field, including the potential health risks from hexavalent chromium, artificial butter flavouring, and the antimicrobial agent triclosan.
Even if, displaying full trust in the safety of antimicrobials, you could manage to eliminate those 99.9 perecent of bacteria and viruses from your doorknobs, your computer keyboard, and the change in your pocket, you would still be carrying in and on yourself a community of microorganisms outnumbering -- ten times over -- the cells of your own body. Almost all of those creatures are either neutral or beneficial to you.

But the modern arsenal of purifying products, including not only disinfectants but also regular detergents, medications, vegetable washes, ozone blowers, ultraviolet gizmos, filtered and bottled drinking water, air conditioning, and year-round-sealed windows may be reducing contact between people -- especially children -- and organisms with which we've evolved and which our bodies need for healthy development. Not being "smart weapons", antimicrobial products can wreak collateral damage on harmless and friendly microbes.

The now 30-year-old "hygiene hypothesis" says that skyrocketing rates of allergy and asthma in Western societies may result from human immune systems being driven haywire by excessively sterile home environments. It's a hard thing to demonstrate, the biological mechanisms are highly complex, and there are still plenty of doubters, but patterns continue to fit fairly well. (For an excellent discussion of the hypothesis, see Garry Hamilton's 2005 article in the British magazine New Scientist. Unfortunately, it's not free online).

"We have to find a healthy balance in hygiene," says Allison Aiello. "For example, right now on your hands there are millions of beneficial Staphylococcus bacteria that help maintain the health of your skin." In fact, in her work she has seen disease-conscious people scrub their hands too enthusiastically, creating dry-skin cracks that other, more dangerous bacterial species can infect.

To Paul Fey, putting antimicrobial chemicals into cleaners and toys is "just crazy -- The only reason it's there is to keep parents from worrying." But, he thinks, maybe it's the products themselves they should be worrying about: "This constant search for a totally sterile environment may be hurting our health, and especially children's health."

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Stan Cox is a plant breeder and writer in Salina, Kansas. His book, Sick Planet: Corporate Food and Medicine, will be published by Pluto Press in April.

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If you continually bitch at your local physician...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 2, 2008 12:21 AM   
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...until he or she gives you and your screaming toddler a script of antibiotics to cure an obviously viral infection, then stand in line for your Darwin Award, lady or gentleman.

They evolve, those bugs. What the hell do fundies expect them to do, remain static?

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» The parents fault? Posted by: heid
Paranoia
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 2, 2008 3:03 AM   
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What doesn't kill you probably does make you stronger. But it can also make you really sick for a few days. So you tend to wash your hands a lot and avoid that soccer mom who brings all her kids' illnesses to work with her. You just don't have time for this week's cold, but maybe you'll get in on the next one, if your schedule will allow it.

If I didn't have work and other responsibilities, I would embrace every germ that came my way, and build the perfect immune system.

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Timely Stuff
Posted by: Squarehead on Feb 2, 2008 4:14 AM   
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I agree completely with the various arguments within this article.

Its now several years since I stopped using deodorants or antiperspirants, seeing that my endocrine system was having a problem with them (pimpling underarms, general itchiness), and while that has been very satisfactory, though I wash with greater frequency (2 - 3 times per day; I live at 54 degrees North, so its not usually a very hot environment).

However, just this past summer, on a camping trip, I discovered quite by the accident of forgetting to pack soap or detergent that even a smelly adult male can control one's personal hygiene adequately, simply with warm water.

And I can report that rather than more sweat and smell, the body seems to produce less, less product to process out, less disturbance of one's natural flora & fauna.

As regards the paranoia and unreality of modern industrial society, I recall a couple of years ago being in the presence of two friends, women, both physicians. One of the children vomited on the carpet. No big deal. Now I would say that in that circumstance, the proper response is firstly dilution (with water) then simple mechanical cleaning (rub with cloth) and lastly final use of detergent and rinse with water.

My friends, both expert in their medical fields, response was to spray on some anti-bacterial product more properly reserved for the surgical ward. Not a good idea.

In fact I recall being incapacitated with inflamed cartilage (lower back) consequent on eating of kitchen surfaces which were 'cleaned' with such products. Subsequent examination showed that they contained organo-phosphates as the anti-bacterial agent.

These corporations should have the ass sued off them; but that is probably some time away.

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what's bad about natural immunity?
Posted by: bomec on Feb 2, 2008 4:36 AM   
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Having studied, worked, traveled and lived in France a good bit of the time since 1958, I have always been appalled by Americans being appalled by the French wrapping fish in a newspaper or carrying their baguette home under the arm or on the back of a bicycle. In deference to American microbe paranoia, wrapping everything in layers of plastic wrap and injecting everything with preservatives because nothing is grown locally but transported hundreds and thousands of miles... Well, natural immunity simply is no more. Oh my god, there's a fly in the kitchen! Quick, kill it or we'll all die!

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Land of the Free, Home of the Brave? Muwahahaha . . .
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 2, 2008 5:03 AM   
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This drive to germ-proof the home, the human body, and the political environment has been on since I was a kid in the 1950s. Remember the old poster "Is your bathroom breeding Bolsheviks?" Unhygienic washrooms bred discontented employees who would then turn Red (or organize a union! or report you to OSHA!) while you were out making more money.

This idea that life can ever be 100% clean, 100% pure, and 100% safe -- and that the 100% safe life is worth living -- has made USians patsies for every political, pharmaceutical, educational (etc.) snake-oil salesman to come down the pike, including those hawking the [drumroll, please] War on Terrorism. Maybe more important, it's made us gullible: we're freaking out about microbes skittering across the pristine linoleum floor while paying not enough attention to the corner-cutting, profit-enhancing business practices that lead to contaminated food, contaminated drugs, contaminated toys. The biggest threat to our health, welfare, and security is less likely to be a bearded guy with shifty eyes and a foreign accent than a close-shaven white guy in an expensive suit.

Some days I think that the popular middle-class-and-up lament that the world is much too dangerous to let kids go unsupervised for a few hours has less to do with the fear that they might get kidnapped, molested, or murdered and more to do with the fear that they might get dirty.

My country, Land of the Slave, Home of the Scared Silly, but still -- my country.

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What the........?
Posted by: funnyfarm12 on Feb 2, 2008 6:43 AM   
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This article starts out supporting the very paranoia it is supposed to be arguing against. The sweeping 'vomiting virus' in the UK is actually quite common, has been around practically forever, and goes away without treatment most of the time within two days. Get a grip people. You cannot and should not live in a bubble. Ever hear the old saying, "a bushel of dirt in a lifetime"?

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» RE: What the........? Posted by: lepidopteryx
Environmental pollution is a greater threat than bacterial infection to most kids.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 2, 2008 7:35 AM   
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It wasn't always that way - if you look back a hundred years, among the greatest killers in the U.S. were infectious diseases like tuberculosis and influenza. In 1900, around half of all deaths were due to infectious diseases - and the death rate due to cancer was 1/3 what it is today.

Cancer rates have been in slow decline since 2000, indicating that many people are more aware of the causes of cancer, which include environmental exposure to carcinogens and different levels of hereditary susceptibility to carcinogens. Damaged immune systems also make people more susceptible to cancer. Some viruses and various toxins can damage the immune system (and many other systems, such as the reproductive system.) However, environmental pollution is the new main culprit.

That means that the threat from "playing in the dirt" is more likely to be exposure to things like lead, cadmium, petroleum residues, industrial chemicals, etc. That can lead to childhood leukemia, asthma, developmental damage, and so on.

Triclosan manufacture is interesting - it is reported to produce dioxin as a side product. That's the side ingredient that was primarily responsible for the effects of Agent Orange on the Vietnamese and on U.S. soldiers. No, you wouldn't want to use that on a regular basis - dioxin enters your cells, especially in the liver, and interferes with gene regulation - leading to all kinds of nasty effects. Someone used it to poison Ukranian politician Victor Yuschenko in 2004.

Triclosan - not exactly a health-enhancing product. However, it does slow the growth of microbes, so it's heavily marketed to people who don't know any better.

In fact, the whole idea is misleading. If you ever had to actually decontaminate a building that was full of, say, mouse droppings and hantavirus, you'd have to use something like 10% bleach/water or a formaldehyde solution. That's how the Hart Senate Office Building was decontaminated after someone sent letters filled with dry, powdered anthrax spores to Daschle and Leahy on Sept 18, 2001.

As far as antibiotic resistance, the main culprit there is the agriculture industry, which is the main market for antibiotic manufacturers. Antibiotics are needed in factory farming operations to prevent disease outbreaks in the confined quarters, and they also lead to increased growth rates in corn-fed cattle.

In any case, it's a bad idea to buy anything that has a "bacterial growth inhibitor" in it. If you need to take antibiotics, observe the rules - take all the antibiotics, even if you think you're healthy. Eat live yogurt, because the antibiotics will wipe out your intestinal microbes and that will damage your digestion, and yogurt replaces them. Don't take antibiotics unless you absolutely need them. Wash hands frequently. Etc.

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LET'S DECIDE WHAT'S IMPORTANT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 2, 2008 7:48 AM   
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It's not about wpraying & wiping. Between the source of your food and the table or res-taurant, how many people are involved? How much care is taken? The spike in mysterious infections is right in line with the increased amounts of everything that we import. It's expensive to be 'careful'. So they use additives instead. We don't have the same strict inspection of everything that we once had. And even 'busy' doctors must wash their hands. Thanks, ANNA

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US Obsession with Cleanliness is Dangerous
Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 2, 2008 7:58 AM   
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So what is the hospital industry's response? Wash your hands more??

I agree that the overuse of antibiotics and the overuse of chemicals to "sterilize" everything IS indeed making us sicker.

By the way, America's cultural germ phobia is linked psychodynamically to our US puritanical "sex is dirty" heritage. Someday we may grow up?

Dr. Rick Lippin
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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Finally, someone said it!
Posted by: Scientz on Feb 2, 2008 9:50 AM   
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. . . this is an off-the-cuff reactionary statement (as I'm sure this community has come to expect from me) but I am of the opinion that we as a species survived some 15,000 - 30,000 years before we invented soap.

Destroying the benign bugs reduce the chances of your immune system learning to cope with them, and then the malignant ones will kick your ass.

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Lab rats
Posted by: Darkly on Feb 2, 2008 11:19 AM   
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this article reminds me of a study I was reading the other week. according to it sewer rats have stronger immune systems than domesticated rats. apparently the immune system is like a muscle that needs to be used. use it or lose it they always say. this would explain why people in antartica coming back to their home countrys get very sick. antarticas enviroment cannot support microorganisms therefore the persons immune system atrophys (weakens)

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Antibiotics Are Not All Bad
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 2, 2008 12:01 PM   
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Of course, stronger bugs could emerge from incessant exposure to antibiotics and antibacterial agents. But, no one wants to put their defenses down either on the supposition that this is necessary to prevent the evolution of bugs into more virulent forms. First of all, antibiotics and antibacterial agents are already widely used across the world. Next, these agents are credited with saving the lives of millions of people. The greatest advances in medicine and public health came about when antibiotics were discovered and also when widespread immunizations were put into place. So, some balance is required when it comes to the use of antibiotics, yes, certainly so. But, I don't think it's all doom-and-gloom either and a lot of good is still being accomplished by these drugs.

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Wow! Is "Common" Sense Coming Back?
Posted by: Liberty G on Feb 2, 2008 12:10 PM   
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Hallelujah and thank you, thank you! The germophobia we live with is indeed a killer!
As the director of an organization that educates people about chemicals like the ones in commercial cleaning products, I applaud this article. Also, what a great series of comments, including the one comparing the war on microbes to the "war on terrorism" (both of which have the purpose of creating terror in us). I also have - and love - the article about the healthy sewer rats.

For some interesting articles on "being clean", check out these and other articles on our website at: www.toxicsinfo.org/TIPS_house.htm

Study: Anti-Bacterial Soaps Don't Deliver
TIPs on Cleaning Product Ingredient Mysteries
Common Sense Talk about Antibacterial Products
12 Facts About Chlorine Guaranteed To Scare You
Tips on Cleaning Product Ingredient Mysteries

The bottom line really is, you can do most of household cleaning with vinegar and baking soda:

28 Practical Uses for Vinegar, Nature's Magic Cleanser, www.toxicsinfo.org/house/28Vinegar.htm
Good Housecleaning: Five Non-Toxic, Get-the-Dirt Out Basics, www.toxicsinfo.org/house/5Basics.htm

Whatever you do, don't seek the "smell of clean" with "air freshener". It is on the EPA website list of "Indoor Air Pollutants". Also, see: Toxic Effects of Air Freshener Emissions www.toxicsinfo.org/house/AirFreshenerEmissions.htm

Mother Nature really does know best!

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The immune system is our ally
Posted by: flapdoodle on Feb 2, 2008 12:37 PM   
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To me, the most important thing to understand about the immune system is that it constantly works on our behalf, and in order for it to do its work effectively it needs to be exercised. If we try to intervene by using designer chemicals, for instance, the immune system does not work to design its own responses to threats against our well being, so to some extent we disable it. Just as our muscles and our minds need exercise in order to avoid atrophy, so does our incredible and amazing immune system.
I'm just putting this out as an idea one might consider, if they haven't already. It may be important to remember that like a muscle, for instance, a lack of exercise cannot be made up for by going to an excess in the other direction. Thinking of the immune system as an ally is a way to begin to establish a working relationship with it. Of course, nature is always full of tricks, so proceeding with caution is usually a good idea.
Be a friend to your immune system and it will be a friend to you.

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Industry Straw Men
Posted by: benzene on Feb 2, 2008 1:31 PM   
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The Proctor and Gamble spokesman in the article consistently tried to draw an imaginary distinction between "antibacterial products" and "antibiotics". They're the same thing. Both kill, damage, or otherwise inhibit the growth of bacteria. While it may be true that ampicillin has a different modus operandi than triclosan, they're both still killing bacteria, and therefore bacteria have an evolutionary impetus to find ways around them. It's a simple numbers game. If there are trillions of bacteria in a given space and a single bactericidal agent is applied, it is statistically probable that one of those bacteria will have a mutation that allows them to not die. As such, that bacterium will replicate and be resistant.

Furthermore, bacteria won't grow where there are no nutrients to fuel growth. It's not like bacteria are just laying around everywhere waiting to infect people. The only catch is that bacteria can metabolize a whole crapload of different things. Bacteria cannot survive on metal, enamel, linoleum, etc., but can survive on cloth and painted surfaces.

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Pleomorphism, Its Discovery and Suppression
Posted by: Global Researcher on Feb 2, 2008 3:56 PM   
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Hi everyone,

For the past few months I've been reading about causes of disease and their cures. What I am finding intriguing is the work of RIFE in the 1920s-1930s see: www.rife.org. His work supported the theory of pleomorphism, which allows for the emergence of diseases depending on the pathogenic conditions within the individual. See http://educate-yourself.org /cn/pleomorphismdiscoverysuppresion16nov03.shtml for a proper explanation.

What is amazing is the medical research initiated in the early to mid-1800s using electro-medicine. Much later, Rife (http://users.navi.net/~rsc/rife1.htm) built a microscope that could see live viruses, then used a frequency generator to kill them.

For those of you interested, this information may bring you closer to understanding health, disease, and our medical profession.

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» Relativism Posted by: benzene
Doctors and Big Pharma: in Cahoots
Posted by: dayahka on Feb 2, 2008 7:08 PM   
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90 percent of Americans flock to doctors and get prescriptions for diseases they don't have. This whole situation is a marketing (and advertising) gimmick to make people lose their natural immunities to diseases (by trying to avoid normal and good bacteria, for example) and thus giving big pharma the chance to charge in with "remedies" (that cost a bundle) to newly discovered diseases. Doctors go along and prescribe. Its a major scam. But then, isn't America just one big scam after another?

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Yay!!! I can now stop cleaning everything in sight.
Posted by: lwbaby on Feb 2, 2008 8:50 PM   
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I have always suspected the constant push by advertisers to disinfect everything we might possibly touch/breathe/brush against within 99.9 percent a total crock designed to addict us to sterility.

As my grandfather used to say, we all have to eat a peck of dirt before we die. Too bad he died before said dirt was filled with chemicals.

From now on I'm gonna slack off and cite this article to anyone who dares challenge me!

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99.9%
Posted by: benzene on Feb 3, 2008 7:39 AM   
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This claim is misleading. If you read the fine text, it usually says it kills 99.9% of Staphlyococcus aureus or some other Staph. strain within 30-60 seconds. Staph. is Gram-positive, which means it only has 1 cell membrane. As such, it is easier to kill. Also, most Gram-negative bacteria are those that make us most sick (Yersina, Escherischia, Cholera, etc.) and are harder to kill. 10% bleach and/or 70% ethanol will work a lot better than most of the products on the market today.

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Can anyone say
Posted by: rhbee on Feb 3, 2008 8:07 AM   
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George Carlin?

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No exposure = no resistance
Posted by: Hans B on Feb 3, 2008 4:47 PM   
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I grew up in India and well remember how we used to (gently) mock new arrivals from the States or Europe, always coming down with turista. To this day I can travel anywhere in the world without paying attention to all the paranoid "don't touch that!" advice and never falling ill. Thank you, germs of my childhood.

On a related note, when our first child was born, her mother and I took her outside into the winter cold after only 24 hours, because we had read that the body's thermo-system is "programmed" during the first days of life. Our daughter can now run into the snow in a T-shirt without falling ill. Her little brother was less lucky: the hospital where he was born wouldn't let us take him outside. He comes down with a flu or a cold very easily.

In short, our increasing distance from nature is not just harming nature, it is also harming us.

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We need an all-out.......
Posted by: steven w on Feb 4, 2008 6:42 AM   
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"Wash Your Hands" public service message on the MSM and billboards nationwide. But, no, that might cut into the health care and pharma corporation's profit. God forbid!

The cleanest person in the world could use a reminder to wash their hands. You would be AMAZED at how much illness would go down.

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Wrong Issue
Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Feb 4, 2008 6:43 PM   
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This article asks the wrong question, though it's probably correct that killing all bacteria is bad for one's health. The problem is that even if it weren't, these chemicals are very environmentally harmful. Bacteria are just another form of life and part of the web of life. There wouldn't be life as we know it without them. Trying to kill them is just another aspect of the anti-environmental human psychosis that kills everything not human.

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