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Women Who Go Gray and Stay Sexy
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In 2007 when I was fifty-one, I published Going Gray, a memoir-cum-amateur-social-science exploration of what it felt like to be gray-haired in America. I wrote honestly about my own fears and experiences as I abandoned hair dye after twenty-four years of coloring, and I became my own guinea pig in various experiments where I probed two of women's biggest fears about aging: that they will be limited professionally by looking "old" and that they will lose their sexual attractiveness if they have gray hair. My experiments produced stunningly counterintuitive results.
In one, I posted my profile and picture on Match.com, putatively looking for dates in New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles -- first with my hair photoshopped back to the brown color I had once dyed it, and then, months later, with my current gray hair. To my surprise, three times as many men in each of those cities expressed interest in going out with me with my hair gray than they had with my dyed hair. Good Morning America's producers, somewhat incredulous of my results, replicated the stunt in advance of my appearance on the program, with a sixty-one-year-old widow from Florida, and had exactly the same results. Needless to say, the finding that men seem actually to prefer a woman with gray hair (among many other surprising findings in my book) generated a tremendous amount of media interest.
The unanticipated and serendipitous connections that were generated through the press coverage ultimately led to my lunch date last month. One of the women, *Audrey, had been featured on a local news segment in New York that presented gray as the new "hot" color for hair. After the segment she wrote to me and we struck up a conversation. *Jane had been inspired by my book to launch a website, Graygirls.com, that celebrates gray hair. We, too, had become Internet friends. And the third woman at the luncheon, *Aki, was my close friend who had initially inspired me to stop dyeing my hair. I had the notion that it might be fun for all of us to meet and share our stories. But I certainly had no premeditated sense that four gray-haired women eating lunch together in Manhattan would register as some kind of freakish phenomenon.
On reflection, the hubbub we created makes a bit of sense. In 1950 only 7% of American women artificially colored their hair while today Clairol estimates that at least 65% of women in America dye. That's pretty much at the saturation level, and a survey that I conducted for a piece I wrote for Time suggested that the overwhelming majority pretty much obtains whether a woman lives in a small community in New England or urban areas like St. Louis or Dallas, based on the gray-hair versus color-hair divide. If a gray-haired young-middle-aged woman is now something of a rarity in our culture, then seeing four gray-haired young-middle-aged women together was the equivalent of seeing a group of Amish women in New York City.
Since the book was published I've corresponded with hundreds of women like Audrey and Jane, but I think letters from men, corroborating the results of my Match.com experiment, are particularly refreshing in casting a different light on the ability of women to remain sexually attractive and authentically themselves as they age.
As one fifty-one-year-old husband wrote: "My wife currently dyes her hair, and after reading what you said and imagining what she would look like gray I hope to convince her to let her natural hair color grow out. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I hope that you help women to feel better about the aesthetics of aging naturally and, in turn, free them from the incredible cost in dollars, time and self-esteem that hair dying imposes."
"Good for you," wrote a fifty-three-year-old Canadian man. "What I like about the tone of your book is the emphasis on honesty and authenticity. No doubt some people, male or female, do the dye thing simply for the fun of it: and I can see that, to a degree. If it is 'whimsy,' know what I mean? But our popular culture is so over the edge in the cosmetic surgery, not only facial but bodily: and right down to genital reshaping. That, to me, is monstrous. And though public men do now and again dye their hair, or get cosmetic surgery, again it terminates most specifically on women. And if the older women set the tone by doing all the self-modification in order to stay younger-looking, the younger women pick up the trend even earlier."
A friend of my husband's wrote to him: "Tell Anne, perfect timing. I've been telling my wife to stop the 'touch ups' for years."
*Suzan, a fifty-four-year-old chef, shared a woman's point of view about positive male feedback: "I have had more compliments on my hair since it's gone gray than when I colored it! I have even had severe compliments from a young man I know socially, who enlightened me with the compliment, 'You have no idea how good looking you are and how sexy your hair is.' I made sure I had him write it down so I could relate that story at another time. Well, I guess this is that 'another time' I was looking for."
That women are the more critical of other women when it comes to hair color, age, and beauty was remarked upon by *Chris, an Oregonian: "... as a forty-one-year old male whose wife continually dyes her hair, I can tell you I am much more attracted to the natural women who wear very little, if any, makeup, don't dye their hair, and use perfume sparingly. The first impressions of women that dye their hair, use a lot of makeup/perfume is that they are high-maintenance with low self-esteem. I often see these type of women spending more time comparing themselves to other women and how they compare to them."
*Karen, a woman in the middle of growing out her dyed hair, echoed Chris' thinking: "Sometimes I wonder if it's just women's perception that we will be looked at or treated differently with gray hair. And that it is more our societal view of 'keeping up appearances' because we have been brought up always comparing ourselves to the women around us."
Unrealistic media imagery of visually perfect, artificially enhanced women reinforces a climate in which women inevitably will evaluate each other and themselves critically, and according to a fantasy standard. Research conducted by Dove as part of their "Campaign for Real Beauty" revealed alarming self-esteem issues -- for instance, that girls as young as thirteen were voicing concern that they were looking unattractively old.
I hope my modest one-woman expedition can inspire others to come to understand that alternatives exist. And maybe one day, before my teenaged daughters' hair turns gray, four gray-haired women having lunch together won't be a sensation.
*Last names have been omitted to protect confidentiality.
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Posted by: Elmcorners on Jan 29, 2008 12:32 AM
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Posted by: Turiye on Jan 29, 2008 1:26 AM
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Have to dash, busy helping the post above whose men are running the world!
Seriously, WTF, might Alternet speak to the State of Disunion Speech last night and the load of crap Senator from Kansas 'Democrats Response', bi-partisan effort requesting mr. president, my tush, join them? "It's time to get to work, she claims." So WTF have you been doing in the House(yes, i am aware she is a senator, but i am talking about the House, now)for the past year? As if I already was not aware, Kucinich exempt, behaving like spineless whimpering simps!
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 29, 2008 4:02 AM
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Good article. I like these light, sociological ones. They help break up the madness.
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Posted by: Philor on Jan 29, 2008 4:56 AM
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If you're beautiful, going gray doesn't really matter. Who wouldn't date Julie Christie or Angelina Jolie with gray hair?
For the average looking woman who has to take a lot of assault everyday, you know, Am I too fat, am I in shape etc....going gray is another insult, another thing to watch. Now, sure, if you look like a model, you can go gray, you probably can go bold!
By the way, I'm not a woman, I'm a 45 year old man
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Posted by: jimidee on Jan 29, 2008 5:02 AM
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But there truly is a fountain of youth and it is as close as your local fitness center (you have to go and do it and not just belong)...because you are WORTH it! If a woman keeps herself fit and trim, it does a lot more to keep her young than hair and make-up anyday...a fact that Clairol does not want you to think about.
Another fact is that biological years are much more important to the age you look than chronological years, especially after age 25. So eat well and stay fit, and then if you dye your hair it will match your body and you will truly look younger.
I also don't see what all of the fuss was about with 4 old gray headed ladies sitting at a table together...even in NYC. We have "blue hairs" here in KY that go out to eat all the time and nobody makes much of a fuss. I guess it kinda looked freaky in the big city, but is that really the kind of attention that women want?
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Jan 29, 2008 5:03 AM
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Here's the facts:
1. Says she has only colored her hair TWICE in her whole life (in her 20's apparently) & NEVER treated (eg-permed)
2. She has ALWAYS worn a hat outside in the sun
Her hair will eventually go grey as you would expect (I hope I have her hair genes as my old man is all grey) Look after & care your hair like the rest of your body & it will always look great. Ladies.....constant abuse by salon treatments will make your hair go grey AND bald earlier than it should.
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Posted by: dustinblythe on Jan 29, 2008 5:31 AM
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That being said, I do think it is attractive when a woman is mature and confident in her appearance. A gray or silver mane is striking and beautiful. Women like Emmylou Harris or characters like Meryl Streep in "Devil Wears Prada" are prime examples. Locally one of my city councilwomen is a fiftysomething with pure white hair and quite attractive.
If you have beautiful dark hair, love it. If your hair is turning a wonderful shade of gray or silver, flaunt it. One man's opinion.
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Posted by: hagwind on Jan 29, 2008 5:53 AM
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Where I live, if you go out to eat with friends and spend that much time noticing whether people are noticing you, it's usually because the food and/or the company is boring.
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Posted by: JMTulip on Jan 29, 2008 6:23 AM
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I want to hear from radical female voices on issues that matter to them, and the world as a whole. Not from self absorbed liberal, bourgeoisie hacks waxing poetic on the implications of wearing make up and going gray.
I realize that in the capitalist West, going old is now a traumatic and radical act, but give us a break.
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Posted by: BST on Jan 29, 2008 7:59 AM
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Since we're throwing around hypotheses, why not throw this on the table, too?
Sexiness and attractiveness, truly, is not about hair color for either sex. It's carriage and strut, kindness and flirtation, daring, zest and feistiness, good health, self-love and a whole lot of other things that don't sprout from the scalp.
But I'm still not interested in going gray, even if I get sidelined at a Manhattan restaurant when the quartet walks in.
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Posted by: Declan on Jan 29, 2008 8:01 AM
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jan 29, 2008 8:53 AM
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I'm in my 60's(I've never been this old before).
Intelligrence is sexy.
Self confidence is sexy.
I am absolutely NOT into babysitting some young and immature female.
I don't NEED one of those to hang on my egotistical trophy holding arm.
I prefer smaller, pert breasts to those patella slammers.
For me, a self confident, intelligent mature woman(age AND emotionally) is very attractive.
I also have no interest in those women who cannot get past the media generated attitude of what a guy is, thinks of, etc.
I am NOT Mr Right.
I am Mr Real.
And another thing!!
If you try to make it happen, it never works.
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Posted by: jmooney on Jan 29, 2008 9:20 AM
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Funny, looking back now, I now recall that shew as the first person who told me that the space shuttle with the teacher on board had gone down. I was meeting her for lunch in a Capitol Hill restaurant and it was very cold, and I walked in, the place was buzzing, and she told me of the shuttle. Hummm...Oh, well, enough personal reminiscing on Alternet. Don't want one of my progressive brethren to criticize me for going off the political trail here. Good article, though.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 29, 2008 10:35 AM
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The makeup/'beauty' industry trades in the same thing that the G.O.P. does- fear. Fear that you aren't pretty/handsome enough or look old or are not thin enough or that your teeth are not white enough. Whatever.
The amazing thing is not that the author discovered it, but that it took so long for a well educated person to figure this out.
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Posted by: chloe08 on Jan 29, 2008 10:59 AM
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I am a 55 year old woman who started graying at the age16. I never thought much about it. My parents were gray in their early 20’s. On my way to work on the bus, I was often approached by people of both genders asking me how I achieved this effect? I usually responded by saying something like “natural causes”. Recently, on a lark, I got my first foil and loved it. I feel happy either way. I don’t need the approval of men, other women or the fashion industry to tell me that I am all right. I have never allowed myself to be held hostage by external standards of beauty or fears of aging. We are so concerned in the West about externals, yet we are dying inside because we have turned our backs to what is truly essential – compassion, dignity, vision. Fads…..
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Posted by: Kym525 on Jan 29, 2008 11:19 AM
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Black women (and women of colour in general) have never been ashamed of going grey or getting older. Perhaps it's because we look better than most white women do at the same age, or perhaps we're just happy to see another year in a society that continues to look down on us. Don't believe it? Check out last month's issue of Essence Magazine. Every year they highlight beautiful black women in their 40's and older and all of them put any white female celeb to shame. What's even more amazing is that these women are active in their communities and elsewhere, trying to make a difference and set a positive example.
Then again, perhaps communities of colour simply don't view aging as something to fear but to be revered.
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Jan 29, 2008 11:47 AM
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I will not color my hair and beard regardless of social or economic consequences; I earned every one of my gray hairs and I'm keeping them! Anybody too shallow to see beyond the hair color wouldn't like me much anyway! I embrace the natural process of aging and look forward to deeper insight and perspective with each passing year.
Maturity, a sense of perspective, honesty, genuine-ness and being comfortable with one's self; these are all incredibly sexy!
Hooray for gray!
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 29, 2008 7:49 PM
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Maybe most older men don't play this youth game anymore. Maybe they don't fall for the hair color of a 16 year old when the woman is obviously 40 or more. It just makes the woman look like a wannabe looking for more one-nights and therefore not a serious lover.
Yes, dropping the fake expensive carcinogenic hair color can be a small feminist move.
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Posted by: blitzmesser on Jan 29, 2008 8:04 PM
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I saw three women at a bar wearing only a brassiere: you should have seen the looks they received. I suggest every woman go topless in case she feels neglected.
What BS article.
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Posted by: Jasonix on Jan 30, 2008 7:57 AM
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It is my nature to get old; I will get old.
It is my nature to get sick; I will get sick.
It is my nature to die; I will die.
Everything I love and cherish will change and become separated from me.
Meditate on these truths every day. Then you won't be shocked by gray hair.
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Posted by: yale on Jan 30, 2008 7:59 AM
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Jan 30, 2008 8:07 AM
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Where's the investigative journalism and outrage?
Isn't fraud both unethical and illegal?
"Female autonomy and self-indulgence are not the same thing..."
- Donna Laframboise"
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 30, 2008 11:24 PM
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Along with dating younger women, Personal ads 90% of the time place by men mention the woman must be slender. Big breasts is a plus also.
I am so fed up with all this hype in the media about "Cougars" the older women dating younger men. I am 53 and attractive, but in my personal experience I have NEVER been asked out on a date by a younger man.
When older women date younger men, they are usually ridiculed - whereas when older men date younger men it is taken for granted as OK and no cause for comment. Look at all the teasing and jokes Demi Moore endured when she was dating Ashton Kutchner. Cameron Diaz was only about 8 years older than Justin Timberlake but the media constantly brought the issue up. Even if the age difference is slight - by 5 years or so - the media makes a huge deal out of it when an older woman dates a younger man.
I'm 53 and color my hair because when I went on job interviews with gray hair I never was hired. With tinted hair that covers my grey, I had no problem getting hired at a job.
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Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 3, 2008 10:11 AM
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Age is not valued in our society, youth is, the younger the better. Look at how poor Britney was sexualized, by her parents and mangers/record label. She isn't the only one obviously, and the press just loves making fun of them when they come undone, success or failure they are making $$$$$$ off them.
Consider the record industry, the cosmetic industry, the fashion industry, the magazine industry???
All are run by men, and every time a young girl or an old woman like me looks at the covers of those fashion mags at the checkout stand, don't even have to buy one or open it, there it is in our faces, what is expected of us.
It is daunting for the best of us.
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Posted by: Turiye on Jan 29, 2008 1:26 AM
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Have to dash, busy helping the post above whose men are running the world!
Seriously, WTF, might Alternet speak to the State of Disunion Speech last night and the load of crap Senator from Kansas 'Democrats Response', bi-partisan effort requesting mr. president, my tush, join them? "It's time to get to work, she claims." So WTF have you been doing in the House(yes, i am aware she is a senator, but i am talking about the House, now)for the past year? As if I already was not aware, Kucinich exempt, behaving like spineless whimpering simps!
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 29, 2008 4:02 AM
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Good article. I like these light, sociological ones. They help break up the madness.
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Posted by: Philor on Jan 29, 2008 4:56 AM
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If you're beautiful, going gray doesn't really matter. Who wouldn't date Julie Christie or Angelina Jolie with gray hair?
For the average looking woman who has to take a lot of assault everyday, you know, Am I too fat, am I in shape etc....going gray is another insult, another thing to watch. Now, sure, if you look like a model, you can go gray, you probably can go bold!
By the way, I'm not a woman, I'm a 45 year old man
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Posted by: jimidee on Jan 29, 2008 5:02 AM
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But there truly is a fountain of youth and it is as close as your local fitness center (you have to go and do it and not just belong)...because you are WORTH it! If a woman keeps herself fit and trim, it does a lot more to keep her young than hair and make-up anyday...a fact that Clairol does not want you to think about.
Another fact is that biological years are much more important to the age you look than chronological years, especially after age 25. So eat well and stay fit, and then if you dye your hair it will match your body and you will truly look younger.
I also don't see what all of the fuss was about with 4 old gray headed ladies sitting at a table together...even in NYC. We have "blue hairs" here in KY that go out to eat all the time and nobody makes much of a fuss. I guess it kinda looked freaky in the big city, but is that really the kind of attention that women want?
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Jan 29, 2008 5:03 AM
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Here's the facts:
1. Says she has only colored her hair TWICE in her whole life (in her 20's apparently) & NEVER treated (eg-permed)
2. She has ALWAYS worn a hat outside in the sun
Her hair will eventually go grey as you would expect (I hope I have her hair genes as my old man is all grey) Look after & care your hair like the rest of your body & it will always look great. Ladies.....constant abuse by salon treatments will make your hair go grey AND bald earlier than it should.
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Posted by: dustinblythe on Jan 29, 2008 5:31 AM
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That being said, I do think it is attractive when a woman is mature and confident in her appearance. A gray or silver mane is striking and beautiful. Women like Emmylou Harris or characters like Meryl Streep in "Devil Wears Prada" are prime examples. Locally one of my city councilwomen is a fiftysomething with pure white hair and quite attractive.
If you have beautiful dark hair, love it. If your hair is turning a wonderful shade of gray or silver, flaunt it. One man's opinion.
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Posted by: hagwind on Jan 29, 2008 5:53 AM
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Where I live, if you go out to eat with friends and spend that much time noticing whether people are noticing you, it's usually because the food and/or the company is boring.
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Posted by: JMTulip on Jan 29, 2008 6:23 AM
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I want to hear from radical female voices on issues that matter to them, and the world as a whole. Not from self absorbed liberal, bourgeoisie hacks waxing poetic on the implications of wearing make up and going gray.
I realize that in the capitalist West, going old is now a traumatic and radical act, but give us a break.
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Posted by: off-the-radar 2 on Jan 29, 2008 7:01 AM
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Posted by: BST on Jan 29, 2008 7:59 AM
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Since we're throwing around hypotheses, why not throw this on the table, too?
Sexiness and attractiveness, truly, is not about hair color for either sex. It's carriage and strut, kindness and flirtation, daring, zest and feistiness, good health, self-love and a whole lot of other things that don't sprout from the scalp.
But I'm still not interested in going gray, even if I get sidelined at a Manhattan restaurant when the quartet walks in.
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Posted by: Declan on Jan 29, 2008 8:01 AM
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jan 29, 2008 8:53 AM
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I'm in my 60's(I've never been this old before).
Intelligrence is sexy.
Self confidence is sexy.
I am absolutely NOT into babysitting some young and immature female.
I don't NEED one of those to hang on my egotistical trophy holding arm.
I prefer smaller, pert breasts to those patella slammers.
For me, a self confident, intelligent mature woman(age AND emotionally) is very attractive.
I also have no interest in those women who cannot get past the media generated attitude of what a guy is, thinks of, etc.
I am NOT Mr Right.
I am Mr Real.
And another thing!!
If you try to make it happen, it never works.
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Posted by: TarryFaster on Jan 29, 2008 9:01 AM
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Posted by: jmooney on Jan 29, 2008 9:20 AM
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Funny, looking back now, I now recall that shew as the first person who told me that the space shuttle with the teacher on board had gone down. I was meeting her for lunch in a Capitol Hill restaurant and it was very cold, and I walked in, the place was buzzing, and she told me of the shuttle. Hummm...Oh, well, enough personal reminiscing on Alternet. Don't want one of my progressive brethren to criticize me for going off the political trail here. Good article, though.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 29, 2008 10:35 AM
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The makeup/'beauty' industry trades in the same thing that the G.O.P. does- fear. Fear that you aren't pretty/handsome enough or look old or are not thin enough or that your teeth are not white enough. Whatever.
The amazing thing is not that the author discovered it, but that it took so long for a well educated person to figure this out.
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Posted by: chloe08 on Jan 29, 2008 10:59 AM
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I am a 55 year old woman who started graying at the age16. I never thought much about it. My parents were gray in their early 20’s. On my way to work on the bus, I was often approached by people of both genders asking me how I achieved this effect? I usually responded by saying something like “natural causes”. Recently, on a lark, I got my first foil and loved it. I feel happy either way. I don’t need the approval of men, other women or the fashion industry to tell me that I am all right. I have never allowed myself to be held hostage by external standards of beauty or fears of aging. We are so concerned in the West about externals, yet we are dying inside because we have turned our backs to what is truly essential – compassion, dignity, vision. Fads…..
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Posted by: Kym525 on Jan 29, 2008 11:19 AM
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Black women (and women of colour in general) have never been ashamed of going grey or getting older. Perhaps it's because we look better than most white women do at the same age, or perhaps we're just happy to see another year in a society that continues to look down on us. Don't believe it? Check out last month's issue of Essence Magazine. Every year they highlight beautiful black women in their 40's and older and all of them put any white female celeb to shame. What's even more amazing is that these women are active in their communities and elsewhere, trying to make a difference and set a positive example.
Then again, perhaps communities of colour simply don't view aging as something to fear but to be revered.
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Jan 29, 2008 11:47 AM
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I will not color my hair and beard regardless of social or economic consequences; I earned every one of my gray hairs and I'm keeping them! Anybody too shallow to see beyond the hair color wouldn't like me much anyway! I embrace the natural process of aging and look forward to deeper insight and perspective with each passing year.
Maturity, a sense of perspective, honesty, genuine-ness and being comfortable with one's self; these are all incredibly sexy!
Hooray for gray!
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jan 29, 2008 4:10 PM
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 29, 2008 7:49 PM
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Maybe most older men don't play this youth game anymore. Maybe they don't fall for the hair color of a 16 year old when the woman is obviously 40 or more. It just makes the woman look like a wannabe looking for more one-nights and therefore not a serious lover.
Yes, dropping the fake expensive carcinogenic hair color can be a small feminist move.
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Posted by: blitzmesser on Jan 29, 2008 8:04 PM
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I saw three women at a bar wearing only a brassiere: you should have seen the looks they received. I suggest every woman go topless in case she feels neglected.
What BS article.
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Posted by: anambrose on Jan 29, 2008 9:41 PM
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 30, 2008 12:02 AM
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Posted by: Jasonix on Jan 30, 2008 7:57 AM
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It is my nature to get old; I will get old.
It is my nature to get sick; I will get sick.
It is my nature to die; I will die.
Everything I love and cherish will change and become separated from me.
Meditate on these truths every day. Then you won't be shocked by gray hair.
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Posted by: yale on Jan 30, 2008 7:59 AM
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Jan 30, 2008 8:07 AM
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Where's the investigative journalism and outrage?
Isn't fraud both unethical and illegal?
"Female autonomy and self-indulgence are not the same thing..."
- Donna Laframboise"
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 30, 2008 11:24 PM
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Along with dating younger women, Personal ads 90% of the time place by men mention the woman must be slender. Big breasts is a plus also.
I am so fed up with all this hype in the media about "Cougars" the older women dating younger men. I am 53 and attractive, but in my personal experience I have NEVER been asked out on a date by a younger man.
When older women date younger men, they are usually ridiculed - whereas when older men date younger men it is taken for granted as OK and no cause for comment. Look at all the teasing and jokes Demi Moore endured when she was dating Ashton Kutchner. Cameron Diaz was only about 8 years older than Justin Timberlake but the media constantly brought the issue up. Even if the age difference is slight - by 5 years or so - the media makes a huge deal out of it when an older woman dates a younger man.
I'm 53 and color my hair because when I went on job interviews with gray hair I never was hired. With tinted hair that covers my grey, I had no problem getting hired at a job.
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Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 3, 2008 10:11 AM
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Age is not valued in our society, youth is, the younger the better. Look at how poor Britney was sexualized, by her parents and mangers/record label. She isn't the only one obviously, and the press just loves making fun of them when they come undone, success or failure they are making $$$$$$ off them.
Consider the record industry, the cosmetic industry, the fashion industry, the magazine industry???
All are run by men, and every time a young girl or an old woman like me looks at the covers of those fashion mags at the checkout stand, don't even have to buy one or open it, there it is in our faces, what is expected of us.
It is daunting for the best of us.
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