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How Teenage Rebellion Has Become a Mental Illness
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Disruptive young people who are medicated with Ritalin, Adderall and other amphetamines routinely report that these drugs make them "care less" about their boredom, resentments and other negative emotions, thus making them more compliant and manageable. And so-called atypical antipsychotics such as Risperdal and Zyprexa -- powerful tranquilizing drugs -- are increasingly prescribed to disruptive young Americans, even though in most cases they are not displaying any psychotic symptoms.
Many talk show hosts think I'm kidding when I mention oppositional defiant disorder (ODD). After I assure them that ODD is in fact an official mental illness -- an increasingly popular diagnosis for children and teenagers -- they often guess that ODD is simply a new term for juvenile delinquency. But that is not the case.
Young people diagnosed with ODD, by definition, are doing nothing illegal (illegal behaviors are a symptom of another mental illness called conduct disorder). In 1980, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) created oppositional defiant disorder, defining it as "a pattern of negativistic, hostile and defiant behavior." The official symptoms of ODD include "often actively defies or refuses to comply with adult requests or rules" and "often argues with adults." While ODD-diagnosed young people are obnoxious with adults they don't respect, these kids can be a delight with adults they do respect; yet many of them are medicated with psychotropic drugs.
An even more common reaction to oppressive authorities than overt defiance is some type of passive defiance.
John Holt, the late school critic, described passive-aggressive strategies employed by prisoners in concentration camps and slaves on plantations, as well as some children in classrooms. Holt pointed out that subjects may attempt to appease their rulers while still satisfying some part of their own desire for dignity "by putting on a mask, by acting much more stupid and incompetent than they really are, by denying their rulers the full use of their intelligence and ability, by declaring their minds and spirits free of their enslaved bodies."
Holt observed that by "going stupid" in a classroom, children frustrate authorities through withdrawing the most intelligent and creative parts of their minds from the scene, thus achieving some sense of potency.
Going stupid -- or passive aggression -- is one of many nondisease explanations for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Studies show that virtually all ADHD-diagnosed children will pay attention to activities that they enjoy or that they have chosen. In other words, when ADHD-labeled kids are having a good time and in control, the "disease" goes away.
There are other passive rebellions against authority that have been medicalized by mental health authorities. I have talked to many people who earlier in their lives had been diagnosed with substance abuse, depression and even schizophrenia but believe that their "symptoms" had in fact been a kind of resistance to the demands of an oppressive environment. Some of these people now call themselves psychiatric survivors.
While there are several reasons for behavioral disruptiveness and emotional difficulties, rebellion against an oppressive environment is one common reason that is routinely not even considered by many mental health professionals. Why? It is my experience that many mental health professionals are unaware of how extremely obedient they are to authorities. Acceptance into medical school and graduate school and achieving a Ph.D. or M.D. means jumping through many meaningless hoops, all of which require much behavioral, attentional and emotional compliance to authorities -- even disrespected ones. When compliant M.D.s and Ph.D.s begin seeing noncompliant patients, many of these doctors become anxious, sometimes even ashamed of their own excessive compliance, and this anxiety and shame can be fuel for diseasing normal human reactions.
Two ways of subduing defiance are to criminalize it and to pathologize it, and U.S. history is replete with examples of both. In the same era that John Adams' Sedition Act criminalized criticism of U.S. governmental policy, Dr. Benjamin Rush, the father of American psychiatry (his image adorns the APA seal), pathologized anti-authoritarianism. Rush diagnosed those rebelling against a centralized federal authority as having an "excess of the passion for liberty" that "constituted a form of insanity." He labeled this illness "anarchia."
Throughout American history, both direct and indirect resistance to authority has been diseased. In an 1851 article in the New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal, Louisiana physician Samuel Cartwright reported his discovery of "drapetomania," the disease that caused slaves to flee captivity. Cartwright also reported his discovery of "dysaesthesia aethiopis," the disease that caused slaves to pay insufficient attention to the master's needs. Early versions of ODD and ADHD?
In Rush's lifetime, few Americans took anarchia seriously, nor was drapetomania or dysaesthesia aethiopis taken seriously in Cartwright's lifetime. But these were eras before the diseasing of defiance had a powerful financial ally in Big Pharma.
In every generation there will be authoritarians. There will also be the "bohemian bourgeois" who may enjoy anti-authoritarian books, music, and movies but don't act on them. And there will be genuine anti-authoritarians, who are so pained by exploitive hierarchies that they take action. Only occasionally in American history do these genuine anti-authoritarians actually take effective direct action that inspires others to successfully revolt, but every once in a while a Tom Paine comes along. So authoritarians take no chances, and the state-corporate partnership criminalizes anti-authoritarianism, pathologizes it, markets drugs to "cure" it and financially intimidates those who might buck the system.
It would certainly be a dream of Big Pharma and those who favor an authoritarian society if every would-be Tom Paine -- or Crazy Horse, Tecumseh, Emma Goldman or Malcolm X -- were diagnosed as a youngster with mental illness and quieted with a lifelong regimen of chill pills. The question is: Has this dream become reality?
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Posted by: DanielHaszard on Jan 28, 2008 1:04 AM
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Recently a parent wrote to us about her two sons. She received pressure to place them on ADHD drugs as early as Head Start. Over the years, they were on a cocktail of various psychotropic drugs. At one time, they were place on Zyprexa and according to the mother more than doubled their body weight.
A report by Dr. Cooper at Vanderbilt University states that 2.5 million children are now taking atypical antipsychotics. Over half are being given them for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Perhaps it is statistics like these that caused the FDA to finally require warnings on the labels of the ADHD drugs.
The use of atypical antipsychotics for children should be banned.
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Posted by: cbrislain on Jan 28, 2008 2:20 AM
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This is a result of the fracturing of our most advanced fields into corners where their findings can be safely isolated from each other and employed inunison only where there is found to be a profitable collaboration between specialists. Poetics only matters when someone needs a superbowl spot that will sell something. History rarely serves anyone's uses unless it is to justify something they have already decided to do. Science must remain in the labs, statistically mapping a reality that only ever makes any sense when someone else ascribes some actual meaning to it. The more things are separated, the easier it is to suppress any dissent that might synthesize advanced knowledge of any combination of these disciplines will be recognized widely within any orthodox division. Web developers want to hear about standards and user trends, not semiotics or cultural criticism. Psychiatrists aren't paid to be political philosophers or historians. And of course economists, trained in the good ways of market dynamics and statistical indicators, are just now admitting to a recession that has long been forecast by marxists.
The question is, when things get manifestly bad and the ideology runs out, do these pills still work? Or do people just start to get confused about why their dosage doesn't make them happy anymore because they were, for so long, popping pills to escape confronting the source of their discontent.
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Posted by: gazooks on Jan 28, 2008 3:23 AM
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Just wondering.
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Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 28, 2008 3:25 AM
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Gee ! How good old Reagan barked against them !!!
Now, their grandchildren are doing the same...
Its like Orwell's animal farm. One looks trough the window and cant distinguish anymore between pig and men.
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» the lurid propaganda
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Posted by: dannrusso on Jan 28, 2008 3:52 AM
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however, as a teacher, I have seen more and more that parents "have no other recourse" (which is a lie) than Ritalin or Adderall...
It makes me sad, really. I'm not judging the parents, because they are led to believe that medication is an easy fix, but I AM judging the society that puts business and money and success as an individual over success as a parent/family/community. Communities and family (of every kind) and love (not $$) is how good people learn how to, become, and stay good people...
peace
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Posted by: Chaos Inc. on Jan 28, 2008 3:59 AM
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This form of cure may lead to a "Republican Form of Government" where the people are the rightful masters and the government is a limited servant charged with delivering the mail and maintaining a navy.
You should take notice of the fact that you are "free" to do nothing (without a license or permit) in this so called free country.
The drugs and beatings by the police are intended to keep us enslaved to a bankrupt system and those who choose to do nothing will get all of the government they so richly deserve.
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Posted by: ellie on Jan 28, 2008 4:24 AM
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now = incredible mom of 3 boys, dream husband, own nice home in good neighborhood with a 30 year fixed, is an RN and going to grad school...(she still does have tongue piercing and tattoos but her husband does too)
what the schools wanted to do to her when she was younger would have killed her spirit and made her a zombie for life...
now those 'labels' are a family badge of honor!!!
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Posted by: hagwind on Jan 28, 2008 5:32 AM
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Good, and scary, article. When was it that the shrinks finally decided that homosexuality wasn't a disorder? Not so long ago, and they had the same problem there: the psychiatrists and clinical psychologists couldn't even see the role the society was playing. Hell, no: if a gay man or lesbian was depressed, it was because they weren't heterosexual, not because they had to lead double lives to avoid social stigma, prosecution under a variety of laws, and loss of jobs. We could also go on for a few weeks about how the mental medicos have treated women who wouldn't cut their heels, toes, and heads off to fit into Prince Charming's glass slipper. By the end of the 1970s, so many feminists I knew had had terrible experiences with the psycho establishment that we were routinely spelling "therapist" as "the/rapist" -- and of course being told (by the "good therapists" and their clients) that we were going too far.
Sure, I believe that therapy and medication can help, but not when they become a way of life, and an excuse for focusing entirely on the individual to the exclusion of the surrounding society. Young people, and any relatively dependent population, are particularly at risk: how many of those in power -- small-potatoes power as well as the world-domination kind -- are willing to acknowledge that they're part of the problem?
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Posted by: craigandrew on Jan 28, 2008 5:34 AM
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Coincidentally , I just blogged about this yesterday.
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Posted by: xvictor on Jan 28, 2008 6:17 AM
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Aldous Huxley, were he alive today, would have made a fantastic columnist. A constant field day for him!
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Posted by: Dadster3 on Jan 28, 2008 7:04 AM
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Would somebody please pass me another hit of soma?
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Posted by: snax on Jan 28, 2008 7:14 AM
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While some may look at it from the perspective of them 'making' the child more compliant and manageable, the truth is that a drug like Adderall in a correctly diagnosed ADD child can be a life saver. Not only do such drugs allow the child to focus better on the tasks at hand, but the larger benefit is the boost in self esteem at being able to accomplish those tasks. This is an effect that can last a lifetime, vs. a continually frustrated child who is unable to perform like other children and may permanently decide that they are less than everybody else or stupid.
Don't knock it until you have seen the results close up in a child for whom these drugs really work.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 28, 2008 7:49 AM
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What you are writing about is extremely important and very freightening.
In addition to children, adult "dependent" workers are routinely and dangerously mislabelled and "treated" by management for "work adjustment problems". This practice is facilitated by corporate human resources departments, corporate medical departments and corporate employee assistance programs.(EAPS)
I have written about this worker abuse bordering on criminality (scroll to July/Sept) and on my website.(See EAP essay -Oct 2007).
I call upon both the American Psychiatric Association (APA)and the American Psychological Association(APA) to issue formal statements condemning these dangerous practices against our nation's citizens but especially children and workers who are most vulnerable to such abuses of the mental health sciences.
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: Sunfell on Jan 28, 2008 7:49 AM
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Go watch it.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jan 28, 2008 8:01 AM
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I look back on my time in high school and I shudder at how much I hated it. I even loved learning, but high school DID NOT help me learn much of anything and did not help me to become a competant individual.
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Posted by: makeadifference on Jan 28, 2008 8:30 AM
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For more on the subject read: "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" the doctrine adopted by the Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group in 1954. Just because you don't hear bombs doeasn't mean you are not under attack.
Study aspartame the Nutasweet sweetener (actually rat poison)... brought to market by Donald Rumsfeld when he was CEO of Searle (the drug company)... the FDA works in tamdem for Big Pharma. Another chemical additive in products we put on our skin, Methl-paraben is in all breast cancer and prostate cancer tumors.
Research: MK-Naomi and MK-Ultra to understand this is nothing new... This experiment has been under way for years. It is just coming to an undeniable head.
We're in deep trouble folks!
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Posted by: apple pie on Jan 28, 2008 9:04 AM
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It seems that our kids need to walk the fine line of testing success, take psychotropic drugs, become a killer for capitalism, or go to prison. Issues of teen rebellion, creative impulse, and brilliance are to be muted by drugs, harnessed by the Pentagon, or sent to a concrete 7 by 11 box.
We live in real brutal times.
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Posted by: siamdave on Jan 28, 2008 9:09 AM
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They're Building a Box - and You're In It - http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box-intro.html
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Jan 28, 2008 9:33 AM
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Before I entered highschool I took both an IQ test and a skills assessment. I never actually got my IQ score. I'm under the impression it was high, or they never would've given me the speech about "how I should apply myself more". I did however recieve the results for my skills assessment. My math comprehension was estimated at college algebra, my vocabulary and reading were both estimated to be at the level of a 30 year old college graduate. The only thing off was my writing ability, which was slightly below average for my grade level. They still kept me in SPED, only because I could care less about doing homework, or following teacher directions.
For eight years I argued with the school system that I wasn't LD, that there wasn't anything wrong with me, and that I didn't want to go to special ed anymore. The only time they listened was my sophmore year of highschool, when they finally kicked me out of the program, saying "Resource is for kids with LD not for kids who don't want to do thier homework." They probably figured that I was going to drop out soon anyway, which I came damn close to doing.
That whole experience is the main reason why I'm so against public education, and why I'm hellbent on making sure my children never go to a public school.
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Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Jan 28, 2008 10:12 AM
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Posted by: Cathyc on Jan 28, 2008 10:22 AM
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Its the parents who need to grow up and start acting like real adults!
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Posted by: DaBear on Jan 28, 2008 10:27 AM
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This is why Thom Hartmanm's Hunter model is more relevant and useful for attention-different spectrum people than the Farmer-cult's problem model and its attendant abuses from Big Pharma.
Attention difference is a gift and only becomes a problem when well-meaning, or not so, non-attention different people try to cram and jam everyone into the sheeple box that makes them feel good.
Meds are short term solutions to take the edge of the problematic aspects in a farmer-cult society. Once we learn strategies to adapt to your square peg world, we're better than the farmers.... and that scares the shit out of them.
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Posted by: DominiqueI on Jan 28, 2008 10:41 AM
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ADHD is not a disease Mr. Levine. A disease is "a pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress". Attention Deficient Hyperactivity Disorder is a disorder and the cause is unknown. There is no cure; it's called treatment. Disorders don't have pharmacological cures like disease sometimes do. Disorders have treatment. This is not arguing over semantics. Your choice of words is not accurate in the psychology profession. In self-help books or pop psychology it is acceptable but you are a clinical psychologist.
I understand you think people are overly mentally diagnosed. I agree with your point about the big pharma companies. But please write more objectively and accurately in the future. I understand you want to pull on people's emotional responses but you can do that also with facts and without bias language.
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Posted by: marid on Jan 28, 2008 10:48 AM
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The problem that disgusts me is that once they are prescribed these "meds" they stay on them forever.
Can't the child change? Grow up? Mature? Maybe get to the point where the drugs are not needed. I always get strange looks when I ask if a parent has asked for a trial to see if their child may no longer need to be "medicated". That is very possible and I have seen many cases where it was not needed anymore, but someone has to push to try doing without for the trial. Who?
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Posted by: abemko on Jan 28, 2008 12:02 PM
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The really courageous could begin new organizations to challenge the cult of obedience that seems so prevalent these days. Just like the religious right set up its own universities and law schools, time for the progressive psychologist to organize.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 28, 2008 12:59 PM
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(which constitutes many normal teenagers)
I am not kidding either.
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Posted by: IwillIwill on Jan 28, 2008 1:54 PM
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Work hard and question often!
Go for it KID! YAAAA!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 28, 2008 2:19 PM
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It's time to re-evaluate the whole system form top to bottom.
www.youtube.com/RevJeffrey7
He's not owned by any of the jerks that own the candidates, That alone makes him the best person for our country,our children,our elders, oue environment.
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Posted by: VickyinSD on Jan 28, 2008 2:57 PM
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At 15 she ran away and got involved in the legal system, and at age 24, she's still involved... it hasn't stopped, and she still can't focus on anything. Plus, I'm diagnosed BiPolar... whatever.
Anyway, my feelings/emotions on the whole thing are split between knowing there are some things you can learn to live with, and others you can't. Medication, on the other hand (be it natural or pharmaceutical), really does help with some of these "conditions".
(The following is just for fun!)
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Recently, I was diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D.
"Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder"
This is how is manifests itself:
I decided to wash my car. As I start toward to the garage, I notice that there is mail on the hall table. I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car.
I lay my car keys down on the table, put the junk mail in the trash can under the table, and notice that the trash can is full.
So, I decide to put the bills back on the table and take out the trash first but then I think, since I'm going to be near the mailbox when I take out the trash anyway, I may as well pay the bills first.
I take my checkbook off the table, and see that there is only one check left. My extra checks are in my desk in the study, so I go to my desk where I find the can of Coke that I had been drinking.
I'm going to look for my checks, but first I need to push the Coke aside so that I don't accidentally knock it over.
I see that the Coke is getting warm, and I decide I should put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold.
As I head toward the kitchen with the Coke a vase of flowers on the counter catches my eye--they need water.
I set the Coke down on the counter, and I discover my reading glasses that I've been searching for all morning.
I decide I better put them back on my desk, but first I'm going to water the flowers.
I set the glasses back down on the counter, fill a container with water and suddenly I spot the TV remote.
Someone left it on the kitchen table. I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV, we will be looking for the remote, but nobody will remember that it's on the kitchen table.
So I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs, but first I'll water the flowers.
I splash some water on the flowers, but most of it spills on the floor.
So, I set the remote back down on the table, get some towels and wipe up the spill.
Then I head down the hall trying to remember what the hell I was planning on doing.
At the end of the day; the car isn't washed, the bills aren't paid, there is a warm can of Coke sitting on the counter, the flowers aren't watered, there is still only one check in my checkbook, I can't find the remote, I can't find my glasses, and I don't remember what I did with the car keys.
Then when I try to figure out why nothing got done today, I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all day long, and I'm really tired. I realize this is a serious problem, and I'll try to get some help for it, but first I'll check my e-mail.
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Posted by: Babetta9 on Jan 28, 2008 3:03 PM
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And then there are adults who like me have that disease of IDGAF. or I Don't Give A F....!
When it comes to this pharmescutical companies claims.
Read "Girl, Interrupted" which Angelina Jolie got a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for in '93 or '94. Its about a girl in the 1960s who was presumed to be mentally ill just because she didn't go along with the status quo! Being a rebel is FAR different than being a rude little bugger. NO one should be getting spanked now for hating GeoW Bush...
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Posted by: magus65 on Jan 28, 2008 3:24 PM
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Take some time to study up on the history of public education, and what Carnegy, Dewey, and others were saying as they formulated our education system which is based on the Prussian system of education. The Prussian economy was largely based on providing mercenaries to the rest of Europe and formulated an educational system geared towards producing soldiers that would kill or die on command without a second thought. Smart enough to kill or die - dumb enough not to question why. In America the goal was mainly complacent factory worker - subservient drones who would not question their betters.
This is one of the great hidden histories which will never become public knowledge unless people actively seek to spread it themselves. A history we MUST understand if we are to advance as a society instead of devolving into a happily fascist zomboidocracy.
Adding a buffet of drugs to cripple the more intelligent students who actually question authority is just icing on the cake in a system designed to make you obedient and just smart enough not to shit yourself at work.
The answer to 1984 is 1776,.. and they know it.
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Posted by: logansafi on Jan 29, 2008 4:43 PM
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Charter Behavioral was actually run by a real estate chain headed by a Bush billionare crony named Richard E. Rainwater! Kind of like having your landlord run US mental health -LOL- it was. Donald Trump in charge would have actually been an improvement over 'Pisswater'! Oh see? I am being 'oppositional'
So when will the pharmoceutical companies develop a medicine to treat IAD... Institutional Asshole Disorder? It is an overwhelming epidemic in the USA! Stunnnnningly so...
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Posted by: wilty on Jan 29, 2008 7:26 PM
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dropped in front of the television set, soon developing a life-long process of dumbing down and tuning out; a form of social control and
parental sloth and irresonsibility.
Now today, with the ever increasing authoritarian emphasis in our culture and thanks to Big Pharma, we have the neuro-chemical resurces at hand, to put children and teens into semi-comas. What a numbskull way for them to learn coping strategies, they would benefit from learning, if given the appropriate opportunities to use their restless energies
tackling and gaining insight from exciting challenges of life, with a clear head.
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Posted by: Eln on Jan 29, 2008 11:28 PM
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Big Pharma is also to blame; the drugs used to "modify" people make a lot of money for the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture them. So naturally, these companies will "push" the drugs.
And ODD is hardly the only "behavioral disorder" that has been medicalized; one only has to think, as several other people pointed out, of school systems full of kids that are diagnosed as "ADHD'. Again, there are various reasons for this, some of which have to do with genuine problems that parents can get help for, if the kid is diagnosed with something or other.
In other cases, the kids have these problems partly because they come from abusive or neglectful environments, or environments which don't honor the kid for being what they are. I grew up in such an environment, although I was never "medicated", fortunately.
Finally, there are a small number of kids that genuinely do have serious problems that may well need outside intervention. Some of these kids actually are "ADHD" or "ODD", but such cases are extremely rare. And last but not least, much as my basically antiauthoritarian self wants to see more "defiance" and antiauthoritarian acts, I also recognize that a certain amount of compliance is required, just to get along, even at a very personal level, in society. Some of us have learned to balance the act a little better than others who are "labeled". But aside from the few who have genuine problems, that is all.
Anne G
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Posted by: hawkhill8 on Jan 30, 2008 5:12 AM
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Geekdaddy drinks a lot of coffee because pharmaceutical stimulants are chancy for middle-aged men.
They're all wicked smart, funny and interesting. All have problems in social situations with and without meds, but we soldier on and they have friends and pretty full lives.
Meds, if needed and opted for, should be to support what they want them for, not to dumb them down and medicate them into compliance for factory schooling.
Shine On,
Lill
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Posted by: Momma Bear on Jan 30, 2008 5:36 AM
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Did the drugs they gave me when I was younger make me focus in class? Yes but they also made me withdraw and lose weight.
Listen people pay attention to things that interest them period, just like we all find time to do the things we want, but don't quite have the time to do the things we don't want to do and can get away with not doing it.
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Posted by: Summersnow on Jan 30, 2008 5:05 PM
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I completely feel this as you call it the Big Pharma dream has in fact become a reality. Not only a reality but a nightmare for those whom are not surviving, their families and friends. My daughter was a respecter of only authority whom she felt respected her. Because of that free spirit attitude and standing up for what she felt was right. It cost her life via the drugs manufactured by Big Pharma and cost me my life on a different level. It should be a crime for anyone to remotely even suggest our children be placed on such drugs. My life will never be the same my child, only heir, and joy was taken away. Not to mention the life of
a beautiful, loving, energetic, happy 15 year old child with a whole life ahead. Why, because of greed from Big Pharma and their followers. Whom are bringing warfare under the pretence of a better sociological environment for all. Psychiatric survivors are victims
of this war but there are others whom are crumbling from within. The faces of this war are many and will be for years to come, were all affected. Until we put out watchdog groups that are brave enough to stop this crime it will continue. As your own words state the powerful financial ally in Big Pharma just continues to help those whom are continuing to add on more diagnosis with names like ADHD into the psychiatric billing bible. Even more disgracing is the fact they are claiming these diagnosis to be diseases. Nothing will bring my darling daughter back. If this so called healthcare arrangement continues the only victor of this war will be Big Pharma. Before it’s to late we must take a stand for ourselves, families, friends, life partners and communities. Life is to precious violation of that life is a crime Big
Pharma should be held accountable. A MAP DC
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Posted by: A. Servant on Jan 31, 2008 1:07 AM
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As adults, we each have knowledge of too many outrageous facts of how the centralized system of corporate government has hurt us and others over the past decades. Yet we have learned but a wee portion of the thousands of malevolent actions that have been taken against us, over many decades, to create a playing field rigged against our liberty. If these were mere accidents, why hasn't there been a preponderance of good results with an occasional bad one instead of just the reverse?
Don't wait for an "expert" to design a "centralized solution" to dissipate the accumulated ills. Historically, what you will receive won't be in your best interest. Have you seen enough to know that we must take a stand to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and future generations? Are you ready to take the lead in helping your communities organize and act?
The media (including mainstream "alternative" media like AlterNet) presents mesmerizing staged theater to entertain us and distract us from noticing the slave masters and their proxies. Our reality is that most of us are being kept as slaves in a matrix of control; and we are acting in ways that maintain this system of enslavement. Our voices are ignored by the powerful, and our true needs are overlooked. And as slaves, we are being dominated and imprisoned or threatened with imprisonment when we are bad producers or bad consumers. We are being sickened by limited access to pure air, uncontaminated water, nutritious foods, vital dietary supplementation, honest health information and health cures--not just treatment. And when our usefulness is over, we will be left to die or be killed. The lack of caring that we experience and too often fail to offer to others is not accidental--our indoctrination has been intentionally planned and executed by the slave masters.
If you're tired of being enslaved and seeing others threatened with more enslavement, join us in Slaves Anonymous to start making grassroots changes that will improve the security of you and your family. You and your neighbors have the autonomy, creativity, diversity, passion and transcendence to become self-owners and create the conditions necessary for emancipation of your local community from the global tyranny of slavery or serfdom or corporatism or government or fascism or empire or debt-based money or psychopathy or whatever-you-want-to-call-it. You can create ways that lead to less bondage and more humane treatment for yourselves and your neighbors.
Solutions for the common person have been and forever will be grassroots ones that emerge organically from you and your communities. Children and young adults need our support. Let's work together: You stop it in your community; I'll stop it in mine.
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Posted by: soul13832 on Feb 2, 2008 11:32 AM
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From "How Teenage Rebellion Has Become a Mental Illness"
Young people diagnosed with ODD, by definition, are doing nothing illegal (illegal behaviors are a symptom of another mental illness called conduct disorder). In 1980, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) created oppositional defiant disorder, defining it as "a pattern of negativistic, hostile and defiant behavior." The official symptoms of ODD include "often actively defies or refuses to comply with adult requests or rules" and "often argues with adults." While ODD-diagnosed young people are obnoxious with adults they don't respect, these kids can be a delight with adults they do respect; yet many of them are medicated with psychotropic drugs.
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Posted by: commonsense on Feb 9, 2008 10:01 PM
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The alternative? Civil war. When the money gets siphoned out, the jobs outsourced, the immigration ramped up, the freedoms toned down,
and people see the leash coming...people are going to react. Unless. Unless. Unless they're doped down, and busy watching soccer or listening to some carefully coached politician drone on and on and on, in that hypnotic uninformative, unalarming voice...sleep, citizens, sleeep...sleeeep....consume, and be happy....sleeeeeeeeeep....now, take your Soma.
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Posted by: DanielHaszard on Jan 28, 2008 1:04 AM
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Recently a parent wrote to us about her two sons. She received pressure to place them on ADHD drugs as early as Head Start. Over the years, they were on a cocktail of various psychotropic drugs. At one time, they were place on Zyprexa and according to the mother more than doubled their body weight.
A report by Dr. Cooper at Vanderbilt University states that 2.5 million children are now taking atypical antipsychotics. Over half are being given them for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Perhaps it is statistics like these that caused the FDA to finally require warnings on the labels of the ADHD drugs.
The use of atypical antipsychotics for children should be banned.
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Posted by: cbrislain on Jan 28, 2008 2:20 AM
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This is a result of the fracturing of our most advanced fields into corners where their findings can be safely isolated from each other and employed inunison only where there is found to be a profitable collaboration between specialists. Poetics only matters when someone needs a superbowl spot that will sell something. History rarely serves anyone's uses unless it is to justify something they have already decided to do. Science must remain in the labs, statistically mapping a reality that only ever makes any sense when someone else ascribes some actual meaning to it. The more things are separated, the easier it is to suppress any dissent that might synthesize advanced knowledge of any combination of these disciplines will be recognized widely within any orthodox division. Web developers want to hear about standards and user trends, not semiotics or cultural criticism. Psychiatrists aren't paid to be political philosophers or historians. And of course economists, trained in the good ways of market dynamics and statistical indicators, are just now admitting to a recession that has long been forecast by marxists.
The question is, when things get manifestly bad and the ideology runs out, do these pills still work? Or do people just start to get confused about why their dosage doesn't make them happy anymore because they were, for so long, popping pills to escape confronting the source of their discontent.
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Posted by: gazooks on Jan 28, 2008 3:23 AM
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Just wondering.
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Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 28, 2008 3:25 AM
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Gee ! How good old Reagan barked against them !!!
Now, their grandchildren are doing the same...
Its like Orwell's animal farm. One looks trough the window and cant distinguish anymore between pig and men.
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» the lurid propaganda
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Posted by: dannrusso on Jan 28, 2008 3:52 AM
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however, as a teacher, I have seen more and more that parents "have no other recourse" (which is a lie) than Ritalin or Adderall...
It makes me sad, really. I'm not judging the parents, because they are led to believe that medication is an easy fix, but I AM judging the society that puts business and money and success as an individual over success as a parent/family/community. Communities and family (of every kind) and love (not $$) is how good people learn how to, become, and stay good people...
peace
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Posted by: Chaos Inc. on Jan 28, 2008 3:59 AM
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This form of cure may lead to a "Republican Form of Government" where the people are the rightful masters and the government is a limited servant charged with delivering the mail and maintaining a navy.
You should take notice of the fact that you are "free" to do nothing (without a license or permit) in this so called free country.
The drugs and beatings by the police are intended to keep us enslaved to a bankrupt system and those who choose to do nothing will get all of the government they so richly deserve.
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Posted by: ellie on Jan 28, 2008 4:24 AM
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now = incredible mom of 3 boys, dream husband, own nice home in good neighborhood with a 30 year fixed, is an RN and going to grad school...(she still does have tongue piercing and tattoos but her husband does too)
what the schools wanted to do to her when she was younger would have killed her spirit and made her a zombie for life...
now those 'labels' are a family badge of honor!!!
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Posted by: hagwind on Jan 28, 2008 5:32 AM
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Good, and scary, article. When was it that the shrinks finally decided that homosexuality wasn't a disorder? Not so long ago, and they had the same problem there: the psychiatrists and clinical psychologists couldn't even see the role the society was playing. Hell, no: if a gay man or lesbian was depressed, it was because they weren't heterosexual, not because they had to lead double lives to avoid social stigma, prosecution under a variety of laws, and loss of jobs. We could also go on for a few weeks about how the mental medicos have treated women who wouldn't cut their heels, toes, and heads off to fit into Prince Charming's glass slipper. By the end of the 1970s, so many feminists I knew had had terrible experiences with the psycho establishment that we were routinely spelling "therapist" as "the/rapist" -- and of course being told (by the "good therapists" and their clients) that we were going too far.
Sure, I believe that therapy and medication can help, but not when they become a way of life, and an excuse for focusing entirely on the individual to the exclusion of the surrounding society. Young people, and any relatively dependent population, are particularly at risk: how many of those in power -- small-potatoes power as well as the world-domination kind -- are willing to acknowledge that they're part of the problem?
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Posted by: craigandrew on Jan 28, 2008 5:34 AM
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Coincidentally , I just blogged about this yesterday.
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Posted by: xvictor on Jan 28, 2008 6:17 AM
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Aldous Huxley, were he alive today, would have made a fantastic columnist. A constant field day for him!
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Posted by: Dadster3 on Jan 28, 2008 7:04 AM
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Would somebody please pass me another hit of soma?
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Posted by: snax on Jan 28, 2008 7:14 AM
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While some may look at it from the perspective of them 'making' the child more compliant and manageable, the truth is that a drug like Adderall in a correctly diagnosed ADD child can be a life saver. Not only do such drugs allow the child to focus better on the tasks at hand, but the larger benefit is the boost in self esteem at being able to accomplish those tasks. This is an effect that can last a lifetime, vs. a continually frustrated child who is unable to perform like other children and may permanently decide that they are less than everybody else or stupid.
Don't knock it until you have seen the results close up in a child for whom these drugs really work.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 28, 2008 7:49 AM
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What you are writing about is extremely important and very freightening.
In addition to children, adult "dependent" workers are routinely and dangerously mislabelled and "treated" by management for "work adjustment problems". This practice is facilitated by corporate human resources departments, corporate medical departments and corporate employee assistance programs.(EAPS)
I have written about this worker abuse bordering on criminality (scroll to July/Sept) and on my website.(See EAP essay -Oct 2007).
I call upon both the American Psychiatric Association (APA)and the American Psychological Association(APA) to issue formal statements condemning these dangerous practices against our nation's citizens but especially children and workers who are most vulnerable to such abuses of the mental health sciences.
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Go watch it.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jan 28, 2008 8:01 AM
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I look back on my time in high school and I shudder at how much I hated it. I even loved learning, but high school DID NOT help me learn much of anything and did not help me to become a competant individual.
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Posted by: makeadifference on Jan 28, 2008 8:30 AM
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For more on the subject read: "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" the doctrine adopted by the Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group in 1954. Just because you don't hear bombs doeasn't mean you are not under attack.
Study aspartame the Nutasweet sweetener (actually rat poison)... brought to market by Donald Rumsfeld when he was CEO of Searle (the drug company)... the FDA works in tamdem for Big Pharma. Another chemical additive in products we put on our skin, Methl-paraben is in all breast cancer and prostate cancer tumors.
Research: MK-Naomi and MK-Ultra to understand this is nothing new... This experiment has been under way for years. It is just coming to an undeniable head.
We're in deep trouble folks!
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Posted by: apple pie on Jan 28, 2008 9:04 AM
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It seems that our kids need to walk the fine line of testing success, take psychotropic drugs, become a killer for capitalism, or go to prison. Issues of teen rebellion, creative impulse, and brilliance are to be muted by drugs, harnessed by the Pentagon, or sent to a concrete 7 by 11 box.
We live in real brutal times.
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Posted by: siamdave on Jan 28, 2008 9:09 AM
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They're Building a Box - and You're In It - http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box-intro.html
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Jan 28, 2008 9:33 AM
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Before I entered highschool I took both an IQ test and a skills assessment. I never actually got my IQ score. I'm under the impression it was high, or they never would've given me the speech about "how I should apply myself more". I did however recieve the results for my skills assessment. My math comprehension was estimated at college algebra, my vocabulary and reading were both estimated to be at the level of a 30 year old college graduate. The only thing off was my writing ability, which was slightly below average for my grade level. They still kept me in SPED, only because I could care less about doing homework, or following teacher directions.
For eight years I argued with the school system that I wasn't LD, that there wasn't anything wrong with me, and that I didn't want to go to special ed anymore. The only time they listened was my sophmore year of highschool, when they finally kicked me out of the program, saying "Resource is for kids with LD not for kids who don't want to do thier homework." They probably figured that I was going to drop out soon anyway, which I came damn close to doing.
That whole experience is the main reason why I'm so against public education, and why I'm hellbent on making sure my children never go to a public school.
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Its the parents who need to grow up and start acting like real adults!
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Posted by: DaBear on Jan 28, 2008 10:27 AM
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This is why Thom Hartmanm's Hunter model is more relevant and useful for attention-different spectrum people than the Farmer-cult's problem model and its attendant abuses from Big Pharma.
Attention difference is a gift and only becomes a problem when well-meaning, or not so, non-attention different people try to cram and jam everyone into the sheeple box that makes them feel good.
Meds are short term solutions to take the edge of the problematic aspects in a farmer-cult society. Once we learn strategies to adapt to your square peg world, we're better than the farmers.... and that scares the shit out of them.
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Posted by: DominiqueI on Jan 28, 2008 10:41 AM
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ADHD is not a disease Mr. Levine. A disease is "a pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress". Attention Deficient Hyperactivity Disorder is a disorder and the cause is unknown. There is no cure; it's called treatment. Disorders don't have pharmacological cures like disease sometimes do. Disorders have treatment. This is not arguing over semantics. Your choice of words is not accurate in the psychology profession. In self-help books or pop psychology it is acceptable but you are a clinical psychologist.
I understand you think people are overly mentally diagnosed. I agree with your point about the big pharma companies. But please write more objectively and accurately in the future. I understand you want to pull on people's emotional responses but you can do that also with facts and without bias language.
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The problem that disgusts me is that once they are prescribed these "meds" they stay on them forever.
Can't the child change? Grow up? Mature? Maybe get to the point where the drugs are not needed. I always get strange looks when I ask if a parent has asked for a trial to see if their child may no longer need to be "medicated". That is very possible and I have seen many cases where it was not needed anymore, but someone has to push to try doing without for the trial. Who?
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The really courageous could begin new organizations to challenge the cult of obedience that seems so prevalent these days. Just like the religious right set up its own universities and law schools, time for the progressive psychologist to organize.
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(which constitutes many normal teenagers)
I am not kidding either.
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Posted by: IwillIwill on Jan 28, 2008 1:54 PM
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Work hard and question often!
Go for it KID! YAAAA!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 28, 2008 2:19 PM
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It's time to re-evaluate the whole system form top to bottom.
www.youtube.com/RevJeffrey7
He's not owned by any of the jerks that own the candidates, That alone makes him the best person for our country,our children,our elders, oue environment.
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Posted by: VickyinSD on Jan 28, 2008 2:57 PM
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At 15 she ran away and got involved in the legal system, and at age 24, she's still involved... it hasn't stopped, and she still can't focus on anything. Plus, I'm diagnosed BiPolar... whatever.
Anyway, my feelings/emotions on the whole thing are split between knowing there are some things you can learn to live with, and others you can't. Medication, on the other hand (be it natural or pharmaceutical), really does help with some of these "conditions".
(The following is just for fun!)
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Recently, I was diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D.
"Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder"
This is how is manifests itself:
I decided to wash my car. As I start toward to the garage, I notice that there is mail on the hall table. I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car.
I lay my car keys down on the table, put the junk mail in the trash can under the table, and notice that the trash can is full.
So, I decide to put the bills back on the table and take out the trash first but then I think, since I'm going to be near the mailbox when I take out the trash anyway, I may as well pay the bills first.
I take my checkbook off the table, and see that there is only one check left. My extra checks are in my desk in the study, so I go to my desk where I find the can of Coke that I had been drinking.
I'm going to look for my checks, but first I need to push the Coke aside so that I don't accidentally knock it over.
I see that the Coke is getting warm, and I decide I should put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold.
As I head toward the kitchen with the Coke a vase of flowers on the counter catches my eye--they need water.
I set the Coke down on the counter, and I discover my reading glasses that I've been searching for all morning.
I decide I better put them back on my desk, but first I'm going to water the flowers.
I set the glasses back down on the counter, fill a container with water and suddenly I spot the TV remote.
Someone left it on the kitchen table. I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV, we will be looking for the remote, but nobody will remember that it's on the kitchen table.
So I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs, but first I'll water the flowers.
I splash some water on the flowers, but most of it spills on the floor.
So, I set the remote back down on the table, get some towels and wipe up the spill.
Then I head down the hall trying to remember what the hell I was planning on doing.
At the end of the day; the car isn't washed, the bills aren't paid, there is a warm can of Coke sitting on the counter, the flowers aren't watered, there is still only one check in my checkbook, I can't find the remote, I can't find my glasses, and I don't remember what I did with the car keys.
Then when I try to figure out why nothing got done today, I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all day long, and I'm really tired. I realize this is a serious problem, and I'll try to get some help for it, but first I'll check my e-mail.
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Posted by: Babetta9 on Jan 28, 2008 3:03 PM
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And then there are adults who like me have that disease of IDGAF. or I Don't Give A F....!
When it comes to this pharmescutical companies claims.
Read "Girl, Interrupted" which Angelina Jolie got a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for in '93 or '94. Its about a girl in the 1960s who was presumed to be mentally ill just because she didn't go along with the status quo! Being a rebel is FAR different than being a rude little bugger. NO one should be getting spanked now for hating GeoW Bush...
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Posted by: magus65 on Jan 28, 2008 3:24 PM
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Take some time to study up on the history of public education, and what Carnegy, Dewey, and others were saying as they formulated our education system which is based on the Prussian system of education. The Prussian economy was largely based on providing mercenaries to the rest of Europe and formulated an educational system geared towards producing soldiers that would kill or die on command without a second thought. Smart enough to kill or die - dumb enough not to question why. In America the goal was mainly complacent factory worker - subservient drones who would not question their betters.
This is one of the great hidden histories which will never become public knowledge unless people actively seek to spread it themselves. A history we MUST understand if we are to advance as a society instead of devolving into a happily fascist zomboidocracy.
Adding a buffet of drugs to cripple the more intelligent students who actually question authority is just icing on the cake in a system designed to make you obedient and just smart enough not to shit yourself at work.
The answer to 1984 is 1776,.. and they know it.
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Charter Behavioral was actually run by a real estate chain headed by a Bush billionare crony named Richard E. Rainwater! Kind of like having your landlord run US mental health -LOL- it was. Donald Trump in charge would have actually been an improvement over 'Pisswater'! Oh see? I am being 'oppositional'
So when will the pharmoceutical companies develop a medicine to treat IAD... Institutional Asshole Disorder? It is an overwhelming epidemic in the USA! Stunnnnningly so...
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Posted by: wilty on Jan 29, 2008 7:26 PM
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dropped in front of the television set, soon developing a life-long process of dumbing down and tuning out; a form of social control and
parental sloth and irresonsibility.
Now today, with the ever increasing authoritarian emphasis in our culture and thanks to Big Pharma, we have the neuro-chemical resurces at hand, to put children and teens into semi-comas. What a numbskull way for them to learn coping strategies, they would benefit from learning, if given the appropriate opportunities to use their restless energies
tackling and gaining insight from exciting challenges of life, with a clear head.
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Posted by: Eln on Jan 29, 2008 11:28 PM
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Big Pharma is also to blame; the drugs used to "modify" people make a lot of money for the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture them. So naturally, these companies will "push" the drugs.
And ODD is hardly the only "behavioral disorder" that has been medicalized; one only has to think, as several other people pointed out, of school systems full of kids that are diagnosed as "ADHD'. Again, there are various reasons for this, some of which have to do with genuine problems that parents can get help for, if the kid is diagnosed with something or other.
In other cases, the kids have these problems partly because they come from abusive or neglectful environments, or environments which don't honor the kid for being what they are. I grew up in such an environment, although I was never "medicated", fortunately.
Finally, there are a small number of kids that genuinely do have serious problems that may well need outside intervention. Some of these kids actually are "ADHD" or "ODD", but such cases are extremely rare. And last but not least, much as my basically antiauthoritarian self wants to see more "defiance" and antiauthoritarian acts, I also recognize that a certain amount of compliance is required, just to get along, even at a very personal level, in society. Some of us have learned to balance the act a little better than others who are "labeled". But aside from the few who have genuine problems, that is all.
Anne G
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Posted by: hawkhill8 on Jan 30, 2008 5:12 AM
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Geekdaddy drinks a lot of coffee because pharmaceutical stimulants are chancy for middle-aged men.
They're all wicked smart, funny and interesting. All have problems in social situations with and without meds, but we soldier on and they have friends and pretty full lives.
Meds, if needed and opted for, should be to support what they want them for, not to dumb them down and medicate them into compliance for factory schooling.
Shine On,
Lill
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Posted by: Momma Bear on Jan 30, 2008 5:36 AM
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Did the drugs they gave me when I was younger make me focus in class? Yes but they also made me withdraw and lose weight.
Listen people pay attention to things that interest them period, just like we all find time to do the things we want, but don't quite have the time to do the things we don't want to do and can get away with not doing it.
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I completely feel this as you call it the Big Pharma dream has in fact become a reality. Not only a reality but a nightmare for those whom are not surviving, their families and friends. My daughter was a respecter of only authority whom she felt respected her. Because of that free spirit attitude and standing up for what she felt was right. It cost her life via the drugs manufactured by Big Pharma and cost me my life on a different level. It should be a crime for anyone to remotely even suggest our children be placed on such drugs. My life will never be the same my child, only heir, and joy was taken away. Not to mention the life of
a beautiful, loving, energetic, happy 15 year old child with a whole life ahead. Why, because of greed from Big Pharma and their followers. Whom are bringing warfare under the pretence of a better sociological environment for all. Psychiatric survivors are victims
of this war but there are others whom are crumbling from within. The faces of this war are many and will be for years to come, were all affected. Until we put out watchdog groups that are brave enough to stop this crime it will continue. As your own words state the powerful financial ally in Big Pharma just continues to help those whom are continuing to add on more diagnosis with names like ADHD into the psychiatric billing bible. Even more disgracing is the fact they are claiming these diagnosis to be diseases. Nothing will bring my darling daughter back. If this so called healthcare arrangement continues the only victor of this war will be Big Pharma. Before it’s to late we must take a stand for ourselves, families, friends, life partners and communities. Life is to precious violation of that life is a crime Big
Pharma should be held accountable. A MAP DC
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Posted by: A. Servant on Jan 31, 2008 1:07 AM
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As adults, we each have knowledge of too many outrageous facts of how the centralized system of corporate government has hurt us and others over the past decades. Yet we have learned but a wee portion of the thousands of malevolent actions that have been taken against us, over many decades, to create a playing field rigged against our liberty. If these were mere accidents, why hasn't there been a preponderance of good results with an occasional bad one instead of just the reverse?
Don't wait for an "expert" to design a "centralized solution" to dissipate the accumulated ills. Historically, what you will receive won't be in your best interest. Have you seen enough to know that we must take a stand to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and future generations? Are you ready to take the lead in helping your communities organize and act?
The media (including mainstream "alternative" media like AlterNet) presents mesmerizing staged theater to entertain us and distract us from noticing the slave masters and their proxies. Our reality is that most of us are being kept as slaves in a matrix of control; and we are acting in ways that maintain this system of enslavement. Our voices are ignored by the powerful, and our true needs are overlooked. And as slaves, we are being dominated and imprisoned or threatened with imprisonment when we are bad producers or bad consumers. We are being sickened by limited access to pure air, uncontaminated water, nutritious foods, vital dietary supplementation, honest health information and health cures--not just treatment. And when our usefulness is over, we will be left to die or be killed. The lack of caring that we experience and too often fail to offer to others is not accidental--our indoctrination has been intentionally planned and executed by the slave masters.
If you're tired of being enslaved and seeing others threatened with more enslavement, join us in Slaves Anonymous to start making grassroots changes that will improve the security of you and your family. You and your neighbors have the autonomy, creativity, diversity, passion and transcendence to become self-owners and create the conditions necessary for emancipation of your local community from the global tyranny of slavery or serfdom or corporatism or government or fascism or empire or debt-based money or psychopathy or whatever-you-want-to-call-it. You can create ways that lead to less bondage and more humane treatment for yourselves and your neighbors.
Solutions for the common person have been and forever will be grassroots ones that emerge organically from you and your communities. Children and young adults need our support. Let's work together: You stop it in your community; I'll stop it in mine.
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From "How Teenage Rebellion Has Become a Mental Illness"
Young people diagnosed with ODD, by definition, are doing nothing illegal (illegal behaviors are a symptom of another mental illness called conduct disorder). In 1980, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) created oppositional defiant disorder, defining it as "a pattern of negativistic, hostile and defiant behavior." The official symptoms of ODD include "often actively defies or refuses to comply with adult requests or rules" and "often argues with adults." While ODD-diagnosed young people are obnoxious with adults they don't respect, these kids can be a delight with adults they do respect; yet many of them are medicated with psychotropic drugs.
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Posted by: commonsense on Feb 9, 2008 10:01 PM
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The alternative? Civil war. When the money gets siphoned out, the jobs outsourced, the immigration ramped up, the freedoms toned down,
and people see the leash coming...people are going to react. Unless. Unless. Unless they're doped down, and busy watching soccer or listening to some carefully coached politician drone on and on and on, in that hypnotic uninformative, unalarming voice...sleep, citizens, sleeep...sleeeep....consume, and be happy....sleeeeeeeeeep....now, take your Soma.
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