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Give Them Death: Three Leading Democratic Candidates Support Capital Punishment

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted January 25, 2008.


Opposing the death penalty used to distinguish Democrats from Republicans. Now, across party lines, death is just another day at the office.

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When Clinton, Obama and Edwards took the stage before a mostly African-American crowd in Myrtle Beach, S.C., on Monday night, they came brimming with concern for the plight of black America. From the disproportionate effects of the subprime loan crisis to the racially drawn pitfalls of U.S. healthcare, the black community, said Edwards, "is hurt worse by poverty than any community in America. And it's our responsibility, not just for the African-American community, but for America, as a nation, to take on this moral challenge."

Politicians like to see moral challenges when it's convenient. The candidates have labeled the war in Iraq, global warming and the economy "moral challenges" before various audiences in the past few months. But there's one topic the leading Dems systematically exclude from their morality crusade, one that begged to be addressed before an African-American audience in a Southern state: the death penalty.

It's not news that African-Americans are disproportionately represented on death row. While 12 percent of the country is African-American, more than 40 percent of the country's death row population is black -- and although blacks and whites are murder victims in nearly equal numbers, 80 percent of the prisoners executed since the death penalty was reinstated were convicted for murders in which the victim was white. Study upon study in states across the country have discovered racial bias at every stage of the death penalty process, including one that found that the more "stereotypically black" a defendant is perceived to be, the more likely that person is to be sentenced to death. Add to that the fact that over 20 percent of black defendants who have been executed were convicted by all-white juries, and the racial reality of the death penalty becomes impossible to ignore.

Sure, all three candidates have given nod to our racist criminal justice system from time to time. At the South Carolina debate, Barack Obama acknowledged it as "something that we have to talk about," specifically, the fact that "African-Americans and whites ... are arrested at very different rates, are convicted at very different rates [and] receive very different sentences." Edwards, speaking out on the case of the Jena 6, last fall, said, "As someone who grew up in the segregated South, I feel a special responsibility to speak out on racial intolerance." Even Hillary has labeled the incarceration boom that followed passage of her husband's crime bill -- for which she lobbied hard -- "unacceptable." When it comes to criminal justice, she said in Iowa, "I want to have a thorough review of all of the penalties."

Still, not one leading Democrat is about to make criminal justice reform -- let alone the death penalty -- central to his or her platform.

Clinton, Obama and Edwards all support capital punishment. It's a position you'd be hard pressed to find on their websites, and they might not be bragging about it the way they might have in, say, 2000. Or 1996. Or 1992, the year their party's pro-death penalty stance was codified in its official party platform and then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton made a campaign trail detour to Arkansas, where he presided over the execution of mentally damaged prisoner Ricky Ray Rector. Nevertheless, all three hold on to their pro-death penalty stance, as have virtually all leading Democrats running for office in the past 20 years.

Why so much longstanding support for capital punishment? It is the easiest way to combat the quadrennial charge that Democrats are "soft on crime."

Opposing the death penalty used to be one way for Democrats to distinguish themselves from their rivals on the campaign trail -- at least before Michael Dukakis was lampooned after a 1988 debate in which he failed to wax bloodthirsty when asked if he'd want to execute a theoretical rapist/murderer if the victim was his wife, Kitty. The years that followed saw the Democrats cozy up to capital punishment: The Clinton era brought a sweeping expansion of the federal death penalty, thanks to the Crime Bill, and a sharp cut in death row appeals, thanks to the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act. State executions spiked in the late '90s, more than doubling between 1996 and 1999.


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Pro Life and Pro Abortion
Posted by: SENILEBIKER on Jan 25, 2008 12:18 AM   
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Why is it that the religious right who professes to be pro life is also the same group that demands the death penalty.

You can argue at which point a single cell evolves into viable human being, bu t you cannot dispute that the people executed are living people.

There is some thing fundamentally wrong with the US culture that allows it to be at or near the top of the world rankings for murder, executions, gun ownership etc.

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» RELIGION Posted by: Cathyc
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» Ron Paul and Daffy Duck! Posted by: carbon-based
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What Is Old Is New Again
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 25, 2008 1:01 AM   
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It has been said that you can tell a lot about a person (or culture) by how it treats those most vulnerable- the people at the margins. Based upon how America votes and how it treats it's poor, it's people of color, it's uneducated, it's children, the sick, the disabled and it's elderly; I am ashamed of my native land.

We incarcerate far more of our people than any other 'developed' nation, tens of millions of working poor live in sub-standard housing, we lack universal healthcare, our public education system is (as a system) in shambles, predatory creditors prowl like lions on the savannah, and our government entices the young adults of the working class into the military to fight for oil and empire.

Is this any way to run a country. Is this any way to treat people? What does our collective assent to the 'bootstrap' myth and economic darwinism say about us as a nation?

What it tells me is that we are a hard hearted & greedy nation, where the 'I've got mine' mentality rules.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Jan 25, 2008 1:32 AM   
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The Bush administration: try 'em & fry 'em.

A Vote of Confidence Amendment will enable the American voting public to dismiss and hold over for criminal prosecution any elected official who fails in their obligation to serve the people of the United States.

VOCA, now

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» RE: Terrorist. A Vote of Confidence Amendment Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
Cry for Our Nation
Posted by: Jbuuty on Jan 25, 2008 2:13 AM   
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I seriously don't know what else to do. Our country is ill. I think part of it comes from thinking of ourselves as the center of the world. That sort of arrogance brings all kinds of disease.

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» That sort of arrogance... Posted by: Cathyc
If Killing is Wrong, then Killing is Wrong. Period.
Posted by: thornwolf on Jan 25, 2008 3:17 AM   
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I'm constantly amazed by righteously indignant pseudo-Christians who clamor for the death penalty for those guilty of capital crime.

Whom would Jesus execute?

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Wrong thinking
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 25, 2008 3:32 AM   
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To all the anti-cristian comments above, let me tell you something: christians are against death penalty, as well as abortion, almost all over the world execept, of course, in america.
So, I think that's an american problem, not a christian one.
By the way, christian civilizations where the one and only to question death penalty, and start abolishing it.
Christian organizations where, usually, at the core of anti-death penalty movements where they appeared, the same way they where behind the anti slavery movement.
Non christian civilizations (islamic, chinese, african and so on) clearly accept death penalty and dont even question it.
I am not particularly religious but I hate injustice. And injustice is being done over on that matter.
The XVI century inquisition is long gone and the american extremist christians are the way they are because they are american and not because they are christian.

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Like apple pie
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 25, 2008 3:38 AM   
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We're a bloodthirsty bunch. The polls continue to support it as far as I know. For any mainstream candidate not to support the death penalty these days would be political suicide.

I'm against the death penalty, except in certain cases of cell phone use, people who take up two parking spaces, and people who block the aisle with their shopping cart.

FYI: This has some interesting graphs on the demographics:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=1266&scid=

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death penalty support
Posted by: dudleysharp on Jan 25, 2008 3:56 AM   
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It is not difficult to understand why many, including politicians, would support the death penalty for terrorism or child murders.

80% of Americans, including me, support the death penalty for those specific crimes.

I support the death penalty as a just and appropriate sentencing option for some crimes. I also support is because innocents are more protected with it than without it.
 
Living murderers, in prison, after escape or after our failures to incarcerate them, are much more likely to harm and murder, again, than are executed murderers.
 
No knowledgeable and honest party questions that the death penalty has the most extensive due process protections in US criminal law.

Therefore, actual innocents are more likely to be sentenced to life imprisonment and more likely to die in prison serving under that sentence, that it is that an actual innocent will be executed.
 
16 recent studies, inclusive of their defenses,  find for death penalty deterrence.
 
A surprise? No.

Life is preferred over death. Death is feared more than life.
 
Some believe that all studies with contrary findings negate those 16 studies. They don't. Studies which don't find for deterrence don't say no one is deterred, but that they couldn't measure those deterred.
 
What prospect of a negative outcome doesn't deter some?

There isn't one . . . although committed anti death penalty folk may say the death penalty is the only one.
 
The evidence is  compelling and un refuted  that death is feared more than life.
 
Some death penalty opponents argue against death penalty deterrence, stating that it's a harsher penalty to be locked up without any possibility of getting out.
 
Reality paints a very different picture.
 
What percentage of capital murderers seek a plea bargain to a death sentence? Zero or close to it. They prefer long term imprisonment.
 
What percentage of convicted capital murderers argue for execution in the penalty phase of their capital trial? Zero or close to it. They prefer long term imprisonment.
 
What percentage of death row inmates waive their appeals and speed up the execution process? Nearly zero. They prefer long term imprisonment.
 
This is not, even remotely, in dispute.
 
Life is preferred over death. Death is feared more than life.
 
Furthermore, history tells us that "lifers" have many ways to get out: Pardon, commutation, escape, clerical error, change in the law, etc..

In choosing to end the death penalty, or in choosing not implement it, some have chosen to spare murderers at the cost of sacrificing more innocent lives.
 
--------
 
Furthermore, possibly we have sentenced 20-25 actually innocent people to death since 1973, or 0.3% of those so sentenced. Those have been released upon post conviction review. There is no proof of an innocent executed in the US, at least since 1900.

Of all the government programs in the world, that put innocents at risk, is there one with a safer record and with greater protections than the US death penalty?
 
Unlikely.
 
Dudley Sharp,

(I am former opponent of capital punishment, he who has written and granted interviews about, testified on and debated the subject of the death penalty, extensively and internationally.)
 

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Let him who is without sin cast the first stone
Posted by: vssmith on Jan 25, 2008 4:00 AM   
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Obviously Huckabee, Bush, Clinton and others felt they were sinless.

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» Lame Posted by: James T. Swaggart
The absolute trust in US law is scarry.
Posted by: colinmeister on Jan 25, 2008 4:47 AM   
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I have heard the views of many death penalty supporters. The usual response of these people is a cry for revenge in the form of the blood of someone found guilty of a murder.

The main concern, to me, is that there have been executions carried out where the person executed has posthumously been shown to be innocent of the crime.

Until the day when the legal system is poven to be infallable, i.e. never, I could never support the death penalty.

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» Give me a break. Posted by: James T. Swaggart
Legal violence
Posted by: Democritus on Jan 25, 2008 4:55 AM   
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Rap Brown said it in the '60s: "Violence is as American as cherry pie." Although there are lots of pious mouthings about how capital punishment is a "fitting" response to certain crimes, or how it deters others from committing these crimes, the fact is that these pseudo-defenses in support of the death penalty just mask a desire for revenge. In order to prevent ordinary citizens from taking revenge on a perpetrator, the state steps in and commits legal violence. It's less messy that way.

Therefore, it's no surprise that our leading presidential candidates won't criticize the death penalty. That's because most Americans are a vengeful, bloodthirsty lot (as witness our initial support of Bush's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq); and our politicians are just a reflection of ourselves.

Only when our country becomes genuinely civilized, and not just when it wears the veneer of civility, will we finally join more enlightened countries, such as Turkey, and insist that our leaders abolish the death penalty.

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» RE: Legal violence Posted by: Lauren
PROUD TO BE "PRO-LIFE"
Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 25, 2008 5:10 AM   
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I am a physician who has consistently opposed the death penalty both as a physician and a US citizen.

The state should never take a life given it is the ultimate power it can exercise over its citizens. It is both immoral and very freightening to invest so much power in the government.

I call myself "pro-life" in this regard even though I object to those who oppose abortion falsely co-opting this term many decades ago.

I call on all the presidential candidates to rescue the term "pro-life" and apply it to those citizens who are already born!(Not born again!-Once is enough!)

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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» RE: PROUD TO BE "PRO-LIFE" Posted by: snarlah
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» RE: PROUD TO BE "PRO-LIFE" Posted by: Lauren
All 3 Democratic candidates favor death penalty
Posted by: snarlah on Jan 25, 2008 6:16 AM   
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I was not going to vote for Hillary no matter what happens, because she's part of the reason that the corporations run America today.

When I found out that both Obama and Edwards favored the death penalty also, I was without anyone I actually want to vote for. Now what?

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» The Solution Is At Hand!!! Posted by: danielgeery
Where are the gun toters and misnamed "pro-lifers" on this issue?
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 25, 2008 7:02 AM   
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Oh yeah, I forgot. They blindly follow their "masters" who in return FUCK them to DEATH with fucked up economic and foreign policies.

If anyone should be getting the DEATH penalty, it would be Corporate America for mass poisoning, defrauding, send us in harm's way, etc ...

Yes, this country is in TERRI SCHIAVO status what with Saudi Arabia and China giving it "life support" but there has to come a time when the citizens in those countries will stand up to their oppressive gubbmints and declare "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!!" And then the feeding tube will be pulled.

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Betty1950
Posted by: Betty1950 on Jan 25, 2008 7:06 AM   
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I am a Democrat & I also support the death penalty as long as there is no doubt the person is guilty. Such as DNA evidence. When I hear people whining about how lethal injection may cause pain for the poor guy being executed I want to scream. What about their victim(s)? What about THEIR suffering? So the person who was sentenced to death may suffer a bit - BOO HOO! I think their victim(s) probably suffered more.

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Clinton, Obama and Edwards are Racists
Posted by: michaelo on Jan 25, 2008 7:44 AM   
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by
Michael O’McCarthy

Racist:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

[Origin: 1865–70; < F racisme. See race2, -ism] —Related forms racist, noun, adjective - Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

Within the historic culture of the United States, calling a person a racist is akin to accusing them of murder – or conspiring to murder, or accessory to murder. Racist murder began with the genocide directed at the Native peoples of what is called the USA. It continued in the slave institutions in both the Southern and Northern states. It ranged from throwing Africans off slave ships to avoid detection en route to the states, the practices of Slavocracy in holding them prisoner, the waves of lynching in the post-Civil War period through the 1960s.

At its core however, has always been the use of capital punishment – state sanctioned executions – which victimized people of color disproportional to the “white” population. These racist practices continue by using the correctional industrial complex as a means of managing the communities where the majority of the population (2/3rds) is of people of color, principally, African and Hispanic American. The final means of this racist control is murder at the hands of the state, or state sanctioned, institutional murder.

Death Row race statistics as of 2006:

BLACK: 1,411 (41.9%) --- yet they are less than 20% of the population.
HISPANIC: 354 (10.5%)
WHITE: 1,527 (45.3%)
OTHER: 78 (2.3%)

The majority is on death row charged with killing a “white” person.


In the primary race in South Carolina Clinton, Obama and Edwards appeared in the Black Caucus debate. Each were “sensitized” to the status of African Americans. Throughout the campaign each has reached out to the Hispanic community. Each has advisors from those demographics. Ignorance is no excuse for these professional members of the state. It becomes then, very simple: any person, civilian or politician who supports state sanctioned institutional murder is supportive of “a policy, system of government … based upon or fostering such a doctrine.” Welcome to the Democratic Party’s Corporate State by these “agents of change!”

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"Politicians like to see moral challenges when it's convenient."
Posted by: jimidee on Jan 25, 2008 7:47 AM   
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What is so convenient about the war in Iraq, health care, economy, etc.? Come'on, these are much tougher issues to tackle than whether we kill a few cold-blooded killers. I have a tough time seeing the death penalty as a racial issue anyway...you do the crime and you do the time, or lack thereof. I see no problem with killing those where there is indisputable evidence that they did the crime.

Hell, overpopulation is the major problem that we have today, and it threatens our very human existence. Nearly all of our other problems can be connected to overpopulation, either directly or indirectly. Weed out the bad ones and we are nothing but better off. This position may not be politically correct, but hey, at least those bastards will not be killing anybody else.

It is actually more humane than locking them up and throwing away the key.

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It's time to put things in perspective
Posted by: audiodef on Jan 25, 2008 7:53 AM   
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This is yet another reason for me to distance myself from the Democratic party. While still registered as a Democrat, I am probably never going to register as such again. Once upon a time, Republicans were the progressives (Lincoln), then the Democrats took on that job, and now it's the independents, Greens and other parties that are more progressive than Dems and Reps. Gravel and Kucinich are opposed to the death penalty, and although they are on the Democratic ticket, they are more like independents than Democrats and are not taken as seriously as they should be. As in every election ever held in this country, at least since the 20th century, we've had a few people say "Hey! Over here! We can fix this!" and when everyone voted the other way, they ended up being right. The death penalty will be no exception to this trend. When will people learn?

Opposing the death penalty does not make one "soft on crime". "Soft on crime" is more accurately defined as lax policies towards criminal proceedings, insufficient funding to adequately train and recruit good police officers, using favoritism to select judges, and other such truly "soft on crime" behaviors.

As far as Hillary Clinton now opposing the Crime Bill that she once supported, this makes her even weaker as a candidate. It tells me that she will use the current political pulse to further her own ends, rather than taking a stand on what she truly believes. Even if I disagree with someone, I can respect her if she stands her ground (albeit in a respectful and reasonable manner) even if her President spouse supports something she doesn't believe in.

The fact that the Supreme Court has finally outlawed the execution of the mentally handicapped tells us that it is time for a change (actually, it has always been morally wrong, but it's good that the Supreme Court is leading the way on this issue). Let us extend that thought here. Is someone who is capable of killing another someone who is mentally firm? Have you ever agreed with a murderer who calmly and rationally explained his behavior as being the right thing to do under the circumstances (we're not talking about killing in self-defense, mind you)? All homicides (distinguished from manslaughter) should be treated as cases of mental incapacitation, as someone capable of killing in cold blood is not a healthy-minded person. This then makes capital punishment immoral.

Capital punishment is also hypocritical. We bring a murderer to court because killing another human being is wrong. What message are we sending by then killing that person? I know that if someone, God forbid, kills my partner, I am going to want blood. I cannot claim I will be above a strong desire to kill the bas***d. It might give me momentary satisfaction to get this type of revenge. It doesn't make it, or me, right.

Obama is truly a very scary figure when he writes about "crimes so heinous ... that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage". This does not sound like the calm, measured view of a strong, peaceful leader. This sounds like - dare I say it - one of the terrorists this country is supposedly "at war" with. When you watch a movie in which a community expresses it outrage by publicly and coldly killing a human being, regardless of what that person has done, you are viewing an act of primordial barbarism. Do you really want people to think of you that way?

I would not want the state killing in my name. I would want, as much as possible, for my killer to live with what he did wrong and to reach higher enlightenment about what it means to be human. That would at least give my death more meaning. To simply kill my killer would dishonor my own death.

More on this comment at http://moody-rants.livejournal.com/18493.html

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Paul Cardwell
Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Jan 25, 2008 8:29 AM   
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That leaves voting for the Green Party who does have opposition to state murder as not only a plank in their platform, but one of the requirements for being a Green Party in whatever country.

Voting for "the lesser of two evils" always involves voting for evil.

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Democrats in Name Only
Posted by: Turiye on Jan 25, 2008 8:46 AM   
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capital punishment
Posted by: vasumurti on Jan 25, 2008 8:55 AM   
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In a pamphlet entitled The Death Penalty: Cruel & Inhuman Punishment, Amnesty International USA reports that "the United States is the only western industrial nation which still practices capital punishment."

Moreover, the death penalty does not deter violent crime:

"Most people who murder do not see beyond their action; they kill quickly in moments of great fear or emotional stress and under the influence of drugs or alcohol. When the crime is premeditated, the individual rarely believes he or she will be apprehended or executed…in 1976, the United States Supreme Court found no conclusive evidence that the death penalty deters violent crime. The United Nations came to similar conclusions."

According to Amnesty International USA, capital punishment tends to discriminate against minorities and the poor. In the United States since 1972, over 65 percent of the people on death row have been unskilled, service, or domestic workers, while 60 percent were unemployed at the time of their crimes.

"In the United States," reports Amnesty International USA, "blacks and other minorities face a much greater likelihood of execution than whites similarly charged...The victim’s race still factors heavily in determining the offender’s punishment. In Texas, blacks who kill whites are six times more likely to receive the death sentence than those with black victims. In Florida, black offenders who murder whites are forty times more likely than whites who kill blacks to end up on death row."

Responding to the concept of "an eye for an eye," Amnesty International USA asks, "If capital punishment is appropriate because it takes a life for a life, why doesn’t the government also burn the arsonist’s home and rape the rapist? Because justice does not mean punishment that imitates the crime." Amnesty International USA states further that the death penalty costs more than life imprisonment.

United States Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall once observed: "The death penalty is no more effective a deterrent than life imprisonment… While police and law enforcement officials are the strongest advocates of capital punishment, the evidence is overwhelming that police are no safer in communities that retain the sanction than in those that have abolished it. It also is evident that the burden of capital punishment falls upon the poor, the ignorant, and the underprivileged members of society."

United States Supreme Court Justice William Brennan once argued against capital punishment, saying, "The calculated killing of a human being involves, by its very nature, an absolute denial of the executed person's humanity."

Justice Brennan claimed the 8th Amendment bans "cruel and unusual punishment." Yet the 5th Amendment refers to "capital or otherwise infamous crime" and says no person "shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."

This clearly implies that persons can be deprived of their right to life, but only under due process of law. Capital punishment, therefore, is constitutional, and, ultimately, the only way death penalty opponents can correct this apparent injustice is through a Constitutional Amendment.

Attacking capital punishment, the early church father Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, wrote: "Christians are not allowed to kill, it is not permitted for the guiltless to put even the guilty to death."

Religious leaders throughout the world have taken a stand against capital punishment. Leading Jewish organizations, Protestant denominations, and the United States Catholic Bishops Conference all oppose the death penalty.

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New England Journal of Medicine editorial against physician participation in lethal injection
Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 25, 2008 9:38 AM   
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Well worth reading, let me know if the link does not work for everyone.

Physicians and Execution

Perspective Rountable on the issue.

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Death penalty doesn't work
Posted by: militaryhater on Jan 25, 2008 10:05 AM   
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People still kill and sometimes because of what is called 'Passion killing'. That is you don't think you just react. So most people tend to kill and then, well, realize what they have done after the fact.

The death penalty hasn't really detered murder and this 'passion' and 'in the heat of the moment' killing continues. The Death penalty is expensive as people on Death row will appeal over and over costing us Tax payers tons of money. I am against the Death penalty as it doesn't work, it is barbaric and too costly.

I agree, Christians are hypocrites. The Bible says...'Thou shall not kill' but yet they are for it. I guess Christians choose and pick the passages that best suit their thinking. Afterall, they are righteous beyond all others and are going to heaven. If you are a non-believer, you are going to hell. Simple minds with Simple thinking....Opium for the Masses. Religious people are the most evil of all. They kill for righteousness. They are against all who will not assimilate to their religion. Look at history...especially the Vatican and their hired trained 'Crusader' killers and of course their Inquisition of people. They have killed many people that threatened Catholicism and it's beliefs. The Vatican's hands are caked in a history of blood and they are still lording over the masses. Amazing the resilience of the Vatican, and the power they seem to have over the people, leaders and countries.

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Death Penalty and Poverty
Posted by: antsy on Jan 25, 2008 10:26 AM   
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I do not agree with the death penalty for many reasons, the biggest one being that many innocent people have been executed only to be found innocent after their death. Poverty is everywhere in all communities. I think that the presidential candidates should all see what poverty really is.
The hypocrisy is so very evident, check out www.hypocrisy.com to see what I mean, in many if not all, of the candidates.
I have no respect for many of our candidates which is going to make voting this election hard.

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