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Old-Fashioned Eurofascists Provoking New Muslim Cartoon Brawl

By Kevin Tillman, AlterNet. Posted January 28, 2008.


There's no "Clash of Civilizations," only a Clash of Extremist Right-wing Jackasses, with the rest of us caught in the middle.
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The ever-charming Geert Wilders makes a piggy face --- see, those dusky Muslims hate pigs!

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In a liberal democracy, it's crucially important that a person's right to be a total douchebag not be limited by the state (I think it's in our Constitution somewhere). So while I think he should be ostracized -- shamed -- by reasonable people everywhere, it warms my heart that there are no widespread calls* for the Dutch government to censor the latest stupidity from xeonphobic Dutch wingnut (is there another kind of Dutch wingnut?) Geert Wilders …

As The Observer reported last week:

The Dutch government is bracing itself for violent protests following the scheduled broadcast this week of a provocative anti-Muslim film by a radical right-wing politician who has threatened to broadcast images of the Koran being torn up and otherwise desecrated [Ed: It's since been put on hold until March].

Cabinet ministers and officials, fearing a repetition of the crisis sparked by the publication of cartoons of Muhammad in a Danish newspaper two years ago, have held a series of crisis meetings and ordered counter-terrorist services to draw up security plans. Dutch nationals overseas have been asked to register with their embassies and local mayors in the Netherlands have been put on standby.

Geert Wilders, one of nine members of the extremist PVV (Freedom) party in the 150-seat Dutch lower house, has promised that his film will be broadcast - on television or on the internet - whatever the pressure may be. It will, he claims, reveal the Koran as 'source of inspiration for intolerance, murder and terror.'

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Josh Holland . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Jan 28, 2008 10:11 AM   
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. . . the cooler head that always prevails.

(Loved the "Greater Wingnuttia" . . . Gold.)

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Saying It All
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 28, 2008 10:31 AM   
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Josh Holland wrote:
"But there is no "Clash of Civilizations," only a Clash of Extremist Assholes, with the rest of us caught in the middle."

That says it all!

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Liberal Democracy Requires Tolerance
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 28, 2008 10:43 AM   
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It just does not work otherwise, but it goes both ways. It usually better to let morons hang themselves by not repressing them and letting the public see them for the nut-cases they are.

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Laws against holocaust denial but protection of racist speech againt muslims
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 28, 2008 11:18 AM   
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Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 13 countries: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania and Switzerland. The

Netherlands and Italy have recently considered legislation but rejected such proposals in 2006 and 2007 respectively. Slovakia made Holocaust denial a crime in late 2001 but repealed the legislation in May 2005. Spain decriminalized Holocaust denial in October 2007. Italy rejected a draft Holocaust denial law proposing a prison sentence of up to four years in 2007, the Netherlands rejected a draft law proposing a maximum sentence of one year in 2006 and before this the United Kingdom twice rejected a Holocaust denial law. Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Ireland also have rejected Holocaust denial legislation.

Given the savage history of European colonialism, which in many instances, included muslim nations, why isn't muslim minority protected in Europe just as the jewish community is protected?

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» And also . . . Posted by: Scientz
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» Cute . . . Posted by: Scientz
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European Muslims
Posted by: hms2004 on Jan 28, 2008 12:25 PM   
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'European Muslims would appear to be just what they are in fact: a vulnerable minority group facing spiraling discrimination since 9/11/01" Josh, what are you smoking? And why aren't you sharing it? 19 members of this ';vulnerable minority' PLANNED 9/11 from Europe! WTF? Did these guys get to you?

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Easily offended religious kooks
Posted by: YogiBear on Jan 28, 2008 10:03 PM   
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I'm of the opinion that too much playing nice by the media is what gave the radical Muslims the idea they could have their way in the first place. If they suffered the same indignities on a daily basis that, say, the Catholic church does here, they'd get used to it. But, I wonder, by perpetuating the type of civility that tries to never offend, if that itself doesn't breed intolerance by the easily offended. It seems that way with born-agains here. The more deference you give them, the more they take.

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Delicate matters
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 29, 2008 3:00 AM   
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Freedom of speech is an invaluable conquest and it must be kept at all stakes, even if it is to allow an european idiot extremist to talk.
The european muslims did the right thing, protesting ordelry, using the same freedom of spreech; the arab idiot extremists probably issued fatwas ordering the kill, the same way they already did in the past (I must remind you that more than one dutch citizens have been "executed" in their own country, because of other fatwas).
The dutch idiot extremist would perhaps be delighted to send some muslims into the gas chambers but, as he lives under the rule of a freedom law, he must keep that desire for himself or, maxime, to his inner circle of idiots.
The muslim idiot extremists pray and preconize the destruction of "christian west".
The christian idiot extremists pray and preconize the destruction of "Islam".
Caught in the middle of that, I'm appalled, but one thing is sure:
As a laic european, it annoys me that someone overseas feels himself in the right of issuing a fatwa against anyone. One day it could be me.
It annoys me, also, that some stupid american president, or european, or arab, or asean, wathever, feels himeself with the right to decide the life or death of entire populations, christian, muslmim, budist, hindu ...whatever.
Like Bertolt Brecht said: when they caught your neighbours, you turned the other side; When they came to get you, everyone turned the other side.
The dutch moroon is that: a moroon. But as far as he keeps doing films and nothing more, he is not the enemy.
The enemy are the ones that invade irak, or issue fatwas.
Those are the ones I'm ready to take arms against.

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Free Speech Trumps Everything Else
Posted by: 7 Levels on Jan 29, 2008 4:16 AM   
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If the Muslim community just ignores this kind of thing, it will end. Of course, it's baiting but stop taking the bait.

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Unfortunately
Posted by: bettyn on Jan 29, 2008 8:37 AM   
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a lot of these critters are being goaded along by rightwing nutcases from the USA. Living in the South, I know for a fact that many members of such neo-Nazi groups as the World Church of the Creator, the KKK,Skinheads and followers of David Duke and his White People's Party are traveling to these countries to whip up this kind of ethnic hatred. Whether it is Jews, Muslims, or people of color, they are fomenting hate speech and violent attacks against minorities everywhere in Europe.

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ABUSE OF ISLAM IN THE WEST
Posted by: fg on Jan 29, 2008 10:35 AM   
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It's frequently suggested these days that Muslims are culturally oblivious to free speech as it exists in Western democracies.

But don't we, even in the West, recognize--at least de facto--that there must be limits to freedom of expression, beyond those imposed by law, if we hope to live in a civilization? Not long ago Mayor Rudolf Giuliani of New York tried vigorously to have removed from the Brooklyn Museum a portrait of the Madonna which the artist had ornamented with cow dung and pornographic appliques, freedom of speech notwithstanding

Indelicate references to the Holocaust invariably meet with condemnation on all sides. B'nai Brith is watchful that certain lines are not crossed.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, too, is perpetually on guard.

At Harvard--where, alas, people should know better--the University community was forced, during the 1960s and in the name of freedom of speech, to tolerate distasteful parodies of the Nativity put on in the undergraduate houses during the Christmas season. I remember being part of a graduate-student delegation to then Dean of Students Archie Epps to protest. These Nativity enactments, gratuitously mocking Christians, were quickly terminated. The question of freedom of speech was never debated at Harvard in the aftermath.

Why, one wonders, is Islam expected to tolerate abuses which we Christians and Jews will not countenance in our own regard? Little wonder European Muslims are having hissy fits.

Ferdinand Gajewski, PhD

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