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Bush Era's Last Legs: Will Anything Change When He Goes?

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted January 24, 2008.


It seems naive to hope Bush's successor will reject his most destructive policies.

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The political calendar indicates that in one more year – on Jan. 20, 2009 – the presidency of George W. Bush will come to an end. However, the worst consequences of his disastrous reign, including the Iraq War, may be nowhere near ending.

Today’s presidential frontrunners, John McCain and Hillary Clinton, were early prominent supporters of the Iraq War and appear to have suffered little political damage for lining up behind Bush in 2002 when he was at the peak of his power.

For his part, McCain – who campaigns with neoconservative independent Sen. Joe Lieberman – has no plan to end the U.S. occupation of Iraq, indeed talks about keeping U.S. troops there for centuries. Clinton, who was a late convert to an anti-war position, now vows to “start withdrawing” U.S. troops by early spring 2009.

So, it seems a sure bet that a McCain presidency would continue Bush’s Iraq policies indefinitely. And it looks like a gamble whether Clinton would press ahead with her “hope” of bringing “nearly all the troops out by the end of” 2009 – or revert to the neocon-lite position that she embraced from 2002 until the start of the Democratic campaign in 2007.

Might Hillary Clinton be to George W. Bush on Iraq what Richard Nixon was to Lyndon Johnson on Vietnam, a President who continued a war for years while gradually moving to wind it down?

Ironically, the politician taking the most heat on the Iraq War today is Barack Obama, who opposed the war resolution in 2002. In recent days, he has come under harsh criticism from former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Clinton for not consistently joining with the staunchest war opponents in the Senate.

Bill Clinton has called Obama’s anti-war position a “fairy tale,” and Sen. Clinton, who helped make the Iraq War possible, has attacked Obama for not immediately supporting a cutoff of funds for the war when he entered the Senate in 2005, even though that was a position he shared with Clinton.

Amazingly, it looks like – if any politician is going to be held accountable on the Iraq War – it may be Obama, who was an early and vocal opponent.

Think Tank Consensus

Meanwhile, in the U.S. news media and in influential Washington think tanks, Iraq War supporters are consolidating their positions and – just like in 2002-03 – are baiting Iraq War critics as “defeatists” who won’t admit the “reality” of Bush’s successes, particularly the modest gains of the troop “surge.”

At the New York Times, apparently to give himself protection from right-wing pressure groups, publisher Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. recruited prominent neoconservative writer William Kristol as a new op-ed columnist. In one of his first columns, Kristol accused Iraq War critics of wanting to “snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.” [NYT, Jan. 14, 2008]

Not to be outdone, another Times columnist, Roger Cohen, penned an op-ed praising McCain for his wisdom in supporting the surge. In a flashback to the intolerant mood of 2002, Cohen accused American liberals of “hypocrisy” for not backing the invasion of Iraq to oust the dictator, Saddam Hussein.

“I still believe Iraq’s freedom outweighs [the war’s] terrible price,” Cohen wrote. “So does McCain.” [NYT, Jan. 17, 2008]

(The New York Times’ other columnists who were big supporters of the Iraq War include David Brooks and Thomas Friedman. Meanwhile, the Washington Post’s editorial pages have been long dominated by war enthusiasts, such as editorial page editor Fred Hiatt, Charles Krauthammer and David Ignatius.)

On Washington’s think tank front, from the American Enterprise Institute to the Brookings Institution, wannabe assistant secretaries of state for either a McCain or a Clinton administration have been carefully positioning themselves as optimists vis-à-vis the “surge.”

As historian Andrew J. Bacevich wrote in a Washington Post Outlook article, the pro-Iraq War “fabulists are again trying to weave their own version of the war. The latest myth is that the ‘surge’ is working. …

“AEI’s Reuel Marc Gerecht assures us that the moment to acknowledge ‘democracy’s success in Iraq’ has arrived. To his colleague Michael Ledeen, the explanation for the turnaround couldn’t be clearer: ‘We were the stronger horse, and the Iraqis recognized it.’  … Frederick W. Kagan, an AEI resident scholar and the arch-advocate of the surge, announces that the ‘credibility of the prophets of doom’ has reached ‘a low ebb.’”

Bacevich, a professor of history at Boston University, added: “Presumably Kagan and his comrades would have us believe that recent events vindicate the prophets who in 2002-03 were promoting preventive war as a key instrument of U.S. policy.

“By shifting the conversation to tactics, they seek to divert attention from flagrant failures of basic strategy. Yet what exactly has the surge wrought? In substantive terms, the answer is: not much.” [Washington Post, Jan. 20, 2008]

Political Success

The most significant achievement of the “surge” and the modest decline in Iraq’s horrific violence may be inside the U.S. political process, by making continuation of the indefinite U.S. occupation of Iraq (what Bush once called “stay the course”) possible.

While on his eight-day trip to the Middle East, Bush indicated that when the 30,000-troop “surge” ends this spring, he is prepared to keep U.S. troop levels at about 130,000, which is where they were a year ago.

A year from now, given the pathetic state of American politics and the U.S. news media, one can almost envision the start of a George W. Bush nostalgia as his presidency comes to an end. Neocon columnists and think-tank experts are sure to hail his courage and wisdom.

It’s also unlikely that either a President McCain or a President Clinton would do much to set the record straight. Whether the pattern is like 1988 (when George H.W. Bush succeeded fellow Republican Ronald Reagan) or like 1992 (when Democrat Bill Clinton followed George H.W. Bush), the focus will be on the future, not the past.

Rose-colored glasses will be put firmly in place about George W. Bush, just as they were regarding Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, in order to avoid bitter partisan disputes about their legacies.

As the Clinton team told me back in 1993, “we don’t want to refight the old battles of the 1980s.” Many of the same players show no indication that they would take a different position regarding the battles of the Bush II presidency.

The sad reality about America’s historical amnesia – if not outright hostility toward the hard truths of history – will mean that few, if any, lessons will be learned from the eight years of George W. Bush. That, in turn, will leave open the likelihood that the same mistakes will be repeated again.

That is one of the key reasons that we have tried to put as much of the lost history of this troubling era into our books, from Lost History to Secrecy & Privilege to Neck Deep. Our goal has always been to establish an honest record of what has occurred and what it means, whether the facts are politically popular or not.

In effect, we have tried to establish a truthful narrative for the past three decades as a challenge to the dominant false narrative that infuses the pages of the major American newspapers, the TV pundit class and Washington’s think tanks.

However, as Campaign 2008 takes shape with McCain and Clinton emerging as the frontrunners, the likelihood of any profound changes in the political/media structure of Washington looks dimmer and dimmer.


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Not If A DLC Democrat Is In Charge
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 24, 2008 12:04 AM   
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The Republican-Lite DINOs of the DLC are the evil enablers and one of them, a female Senator, is running for the Democratic nomination.

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THE STUPID DEMOCRATS
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 24, 2008 1:31 AM   
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What the hell is wrong with these people? Can't they see that for the first time in thirty-six years, they have a candidate in their grasp who is actually talking like a Democrat? John Edwards is the first candidate since George McGovern in 1972 who hasn't forgotten that he is the political heir to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He is an honest-to-goodness Democrat!

Barack Obama's position that the big drug companies will have a seat at the table when working out a solution to the problems facing the nation's health care mess is - to be polite - naive. Corporate America is the enemy of the people. Obama doesn't understand this. Edwards does.

So what are the Dems doing? Their about to hand the nomination over to their precious little Goldwater Girl, the Queen of the Focus Groups: Hillary Clinton.

Isn't it amazing about that party? They have a positive genius for taking a bnottle of fine, twelve year old scotch and turning it into donkey piss. Go figure!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
COUNTDOWN: ONE MORE YEAR!

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» RE: THE STUPID DEMOCRATS Posted by: Lector
» RE: THE STUPID DEMOCRATS Posted by: ptoddchesser
» RE: THE STUPID DEMOCRATS Posted by: mainspark
» JOHN EDWARDS=FDR=JFK Posted by: lifeaholic
» RE: Gandhi was right! Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
» Damned straight, Tom Posted by: sausage
» RE: THE STUPID DEMOCRATS Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: THE STUPID DEMOCRATS Posted by: nochicagoboys
Let's Look on the Bright Side
Posted by: Sissy on Jan 24, 2008 4:32 AM   
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I agree with the cynical posters who have so far posted, that we're all in deep do-do here. BUT I would like to point out just a wee ray of hope and perhaps you will think I am too "pollyanna". I would like to think that whoever the next president will be that he or she will have more than two brain cells to rub together. By that I mean that he/she will finally see the necessity of bringing to the West Wing people who actually know what they might be doing. Like a competent Homeland Security person, an ethical, non-partisan leader in the justice department, someone who truly understands the environment, legal counsel that will stand up to him or her and speak up when the president is about to make a stupid mistake.

I will hope that the new president will realize the importance of putting the best people on the benches across America, not just those who follow him or her ideologically. I would hope that the next chief executive will want to listen to more than his gut and to check out more than a potential enemy's eyes to see about his soul, and that his or her inner circle can stand up and say "Mr. or Madame President, on this issue you're full of shit".

Is that too much to ask for a chief executive of the free world?

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» RE: You're Right! Posted by: Sissy
» Not nearly enough Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Not nearly enough Posted by: donnee
» Stupid and Incompetent Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: Much of what you say is true Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
When are people going to learn...
Posted by: Farasien on Jan 24, 2008 5:20 AM   
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...That politicians will literally say ANYTHING to get elected, then once in, will use their power to do whatever the hell they want and to hell with the American publc? Hillary is using every dirty trick in the book (and inventing a few new ones) to get the presidency with help from Bill. Here's a news flash for all the dems who think she's going to do anything for them... She is a NeoCon in Dem clothing and uses the same dupe the values-voter-courting republicans use to get into office- they promise anything, say anything and put on a show for those whose votes seem to be important, and once in, she will do what she wants, just like our current, dearly beloved Traitor in Chief. Its time for Americans to vote NO to this whole system. Vote for a third party candidate or someone the MIC hasn't blessed for their party's nomination.

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The only way out is third party
Posted by: socialpsych on Jan 24, 2008 6:13 AM   
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Repeat after me:

November, 2008
Absentee ballot
Dennis Kucinich

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» RE: The only way out is third party Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: The only way out is third party Posted by: undrgrndgirl
Mitt Romney is a George W. Bush Clone
Posted by: US Citizen on Jan 24, 2008 6:26 AM   
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With all his money and money from Blackwater, Mitt Romney will be the next President for sure. He will be more disastrous and more of a threat to democracy than George W. Bush is. His Blackwater forces will be used at home here to enforce order for his disastrous policies.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Jan 24, 2008 6:30 AM   
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Under the current system, not a single participant in the Bush conspiracy is going to be punished and the same pattern of lawlessness is going to happen over and over and over again.

A Vote of Confidence Amendment will enable the American voting public to dismiss and hold over for criminal prosecution any elected official who fails in their obligation to serve the people of the United States.

VOCA, now

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» Hear, hear! Posted by: leafsong1
It didn't begin with Bush...
Posted by: craigandrew on Jan 24, 2008 6:54 AM   
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why would it end with Bush?

Our government is designed so that one person cannot change it too drastically. It is only an illusion to think that bush has done everything by himself (I mean, really, look at the guy!), and these forces, this corporate army has been whittling away at our freedoms for decades.

The only way to turn the tide is for the citizens to realize that they hold the key to it all... No, not in the election both, but in our wallets. If we control what we do with our money - where we bank, how we spend, what we buy, and how we live - then we can make real change.

Corporations depend on the fact that the average American has no control over how they use money.

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Why we won't leave Iraq
Posted by: Democritus on Jan 24, 2008 6:56 AM   
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John McCain was being honest in saying that he didn't mind our occupying Iraq for one hundred years if that's how long it takes to "get the job done." What he didn't say, and what Hillary Clinton won't say, is what constitutes "getting the job done."

In fact, none of the candidates in either party running for the presidency--save Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul--will mention the one word that sums up what getting the job done really means. That word is oil. We invaded Iraq because we wanted to control their oil. We built billion-dollar bases to protect that oil. We installed a supposedly compliant Iraqi government to hand over rights to that oil to British and American oil companies. We created a "surge" to deflect public outrage over trading blood for oil. We lined up the media with journalistic hacks such as Newsweek's Fareed Zakaria to lie about our "winning the war" in Iraq to make people forget about our stealing the oil.

Who constitutes the "we" that is doing all these things? It is not only the Bush administration and their snarling neocon dogs of war, not only the media cheering from the sidelines, not only the Republican congresspeople who threaten filibusters of every attempt to set a timeline for our withdrawal, but it is also the Democrats who refuse to mention the oil, who refuse to consider impeachment of Cheney and Bush, who dodge questions about leaving Iraq. In short, it is the whole edifice of corporate-dominated government, an edifice built on a war economy, an economy dependent on trillions of dollars devoted to defense industries, an economy that is now on the verge of tanking because we haven't changed our global stance since the beginning of the Cold War.

We maintain miltary bases throughout the world, and we use those bases to try to dominate other nations into giving us what we want to satisfy our energy needs. If those nations won't play ball, we invade, as we did with Afghanistan and Iraq, and threaten to invade, as we are doing with Iran. In 1980 Jimmy Carter declared the Middle East as an area of "national interest." What that meant then was "oil." Now politicians talk about bringing "peace and stability" to the Middle East. But what they are really talking about is still the oil.

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» The other word is "Israel" Posted by: truthteller
» RE: Why we won't leave Iraq Posted by: donnee
Mister
Posted by: Spock on Jan 24, 2008 7:06 AM   
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Caught cold in repeated lying that has resulted in the nation invading another country and the slaughter of literally hundred of thousands which include as many as ten thousand of our own, and never impeached. With as many as eighty percent of the public desirous of withdrawal from Iraq, we are unable to move our government. We cannot make the Congress close the borders. Etc, etc, etc. When do you suppose - what will it take? - the U.S. public will realize there was a coup d'etat by the military industrial complex corporations?

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» RE: Mister Posted by: Lincoln fan
Odds on Bush NOT leaving next year?
Posted by: truthteller on Jan 24, 2008 7:27 AM   
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I have been saying for some time now, that I think the odds are even that before 1/20/09, George Bush will find some excuse to declare Martial Law and remain in office. I'm not smart enough to know exactly what will trigger this action. My guess is that there may be another "terrorist" attack against the U. S., either domestically, or against our "interests" abroad.

Hopefully, if this happens there will be a core group of TRUE patriots who will not stand for this and finally rise up against this cabal. But, I'm not holding my breath.

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» Not necessary Posted by: leafsong1
» i've said this too... Posted by: undrgrndgirl
» RE: i've said this too... Posted by: nochicagoboys
Melanie
Posted by: zipoka on Jan 24, 2008 8:15 AM   
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To expect anything more than a stylistic change of the status quo from the next administration is to underestimate the power of the megawealthy multinational corporation, including our media. Kucinich is the only totally clean candidate with serious experience and a serious following, who could have given us hope for the future of our constitutional republic. Kept out the S. Carolina, Texas and Nevada debates, and off the Texas primary ballot, his campaign is being kept under the radar of mainstream America. I find it difficult, these days, to hope for a strong leader, when I already found one, and he's not being allowed to play.

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Mainstream Media Manipulation
Posted by: sausage on Jan 24, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Isn't it evident that the Mainstrea media is manipulating this presidential campaign so the electorate winds up with the two most corporate, compliant, no-discerable differences, centerist candidates possible:Hillary Clinton and John McCain!

The Mainstream Media has marginalized, starting with Dennisn Kucinich and Ron Paul, all the candidates except Clinton, Obama and McCain. It is currently ignoring business-suit, pretty-boy Mitt Romney and poking fun at everybody's favorite snake-handler Mike Huckabee. If John Edwards' poll numbers fall any lower I'm sure the MSM will freeze him out of further Democrat-only primary debates as it has Dennis Kucinich.

I'm adding a caveat that Romney is the joker in this deck because his personal fortune is large enough to finance his campaign up to the Republican convention. Word's out that McCain's campaign is a little short of cash just now and Chuck Norris' barbecue for Huck raised only $250,000 out of a hoped for $10 million!

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The war will end
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jan 24, 2008 11:01 AM   
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Along with the military/industrial complex, just as it did in the old Soviet Union. If you can't pay the troops, they'll come home. The dollar is plunging along with the financial markets. It's just a matter of time before our sugar daddies, the Chinese and the arabs, cut our allowance.

Bush will be the last of the cold war mongers to inhabit the White House. Another era is about to begin.

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» They won't go down that easy Posted by: leafsong1
Obamas mission in Iraq...if he becomes President.
Posted by: militaryhater on Jan 24, 2008 11:08 AM   
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No one seems to want to admit the truth about what Obama 'really' said in the debate in South Carolina this week. Here is what he said for what he would do about the war in Iraq when Edwards addressed him on it:

"John, what I have said, and I've said repeatedly, is I want to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in, but I want to make sure that we get all our combat troops out as quickly as we can safely. Now, the estimates are maybe that's two brigades per month. At that pace it would be some time in 2009 that we had our combat troops out, depending on whether Bush follows through on his commitment to draw down from the surge.

We don't know that yet, but understand what's at stake here. John is exactly right that the question is, how do we create a stable Iraqi government where our troops are not required to remain permanent bases in -- and a permanent occupation in Iraq?"

Obama said...."it would be some time in 2009 that we had our combat troops out, depending on whether Bush follows through on his commitment to draw down from the surge." exactly what does he mean...depends on what Bush does? Will he be still taking orders from Bush? Hmm....

Also, he admits in a garbled sentence:
"...how do we create a stable Iraqi government where our troops are not required to remain permanent bases in -- and a permanent occupation in Iraq?"

This sounds like he acknowledges we have 'permanent bases there and he considers a permanent occupation...DUH keeping a military base there which of course is already there...our troops will be there forever and ever.

On his web site he says:

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

He will 'not build anymore bases in Iraq' well as everyone knows, he doesn't need to as we 'ALREADY' have a military base there...DUH!

My bet is he will leave troops there until 'we get the oil contracts' and 'we control the Iraqi Goverment', once again to do our bidding. The people of Iraq will always fight us so like McCain said, we need to control them..we will be there 100 years until we get what we want..OIL People!Obama supports all reasons we are for war...OIL, control and protecting Israel. He is a Republican..wake up America!

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Bush's "October Surprise" and Maliki's armless, legless ride
Posted by: danielet on Jan 24, 2008 12:45 PM   
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When Bush was desperate last December because it looked like the Malik Govt. would not approve a renewed UN madnadate for the occuptation, he sought to kill two birds with one stone. To get Maliki's approval for an extention he promised to remove Gen. Petraeus -- whom Malik hates wit a passsion-- from the driver's seat. SecDef Gates did not object because Petraeus refused to sign-on for the Bush "October Surprise," plans for a massive troops withdrawal to 50,000 this Fall. They hope to kick Petraeus upstrairs to NATO Commander but the Europeans are not too happy with a guerrilla fighter leading their forces, so we'll see. But what is strange is that since Maliki became Prime Minister Bush has been systematically cutting off his arms and legs so that he no longer interferes with the Empire. Now that the Bush Iraq Humvee of State is ejecting Petraeus from the driver's seat and puting in armless, legless Maliki, one can only wonder who will keep the vehicle of war steady as she goes on the Bush road to nowhere?

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Your article is HORSEBLEEP.
Posted by: Longdream on Jan 24, 2008 4:08 PM   
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So, the white kids are trying to make the black kid look bad, and are partially succeeding with mouthbreathers all over the country.

The Times just hired that exponential ninny, Bill Kristol, and think*spit*tanks AEI and Brookings, now partially merged, but still fully synonymous with 'conflict of interest' and still well-known mouthpieces for Bush, say that the war is neat-o and the surge is surging nicely. Other world-famous Op-Ed Bush pals say so too.

This glut of pro-Bush print is going to add up to a rosier view of the war as a success and make us all nostalgic for Bush, re-inventing him as a brilliant, courageous statesman. All of this will, of course, encourage the next President to maintain the status-quo on the war and other select policies.

You forgot the part about putting the brain-neutralizing drugs into water supplies across the nation.

There are going to be a few leftovers to remind us how the worst President in living memory nearly destroyed us. Little things like the debt he's left behind, and the recession we'll be enjoying, and the real fear in place of the fear he manufactured, for our safety, for our livelihoods and for our ability to solve our own domestic problems.

Maybe all these genius pundits are going to be able to wave it all away with their fine words, so we can honor a conniving, thieving, corrupt administration, and watch a new administration ram us in the same way, while we're all going begging so we can pay for the war.

You think we're all that stupid?

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a lesson from African countries
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 24, 2008 6:15 PM   
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I expect no real change even if the dems win in 2008. Look at all the cartwheels people were doing after the last election, but nothing changed.

They have a saying in African countries after the latest coup: "Same cart---different driver".

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No change
Posted by: Melvin on Jan 24, 2008 7:07 PM   
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19153.htm
This says it all.NO change.

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Bush is a PUPPET (ditto for the next "president")
Posted by: LookOut on Jan 24, 2008 11:51 PM   
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Kucinich (or even eccentric Ron Paul) might have tried to pull America out of Iraq War Corp and its utterly phony "war on terror" against CIA created asset “al-Qaeda” but none of the current corporate monopoly stooges in Hillary, Obama, McCaine, etc, will.

When will the sheeple awaken from the fact that circus Washington and its MSM monkey are both run by corporate crime for parasite criminals? Perhaps it’s simple enough to say that the west is ruled by Fascist tyranny but it is certainly no exaggeration.

A recent Supreme Court decision dictates that Big Brother police can steal anything they like from anyone they wish to on the job and not be held liable or accountable in any way. That latest policy decision from this travesty of a national "court of justice" in effect applies to Washington in its theft of what was left of democracy from America.

A snake oil 9/11 cover-up and its sham “war on terror” didn’t just “change everything” as the neo-con front on the so-called right and left constantly remind us – it has broken the nation into the first phase of a 3rd world gulag.

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Hillary vs. McCain?
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Jan 25, 2008 4:35 PM   
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If this is the head-to-head that we're going to end up with we'll have a McCain presidency.

If we have Obama vs. McCain then Obama will kick McCain's neocon ass.

As we all know, Hillary is absolutely hated and despised by the neocons. If the DNC can't figure that out they're MORONS.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together already knows that a Hillary nomination will GALVANIZE and COALESCE the splintered and fractured GOP. They will gather around even McCain, which they haven't cozied up to so much, to make sure that Hillary is not President.

Let's say that in the off chance that Hillary actually becomes President. You can be ASSURED that card-carrying GOPers will vote a straight GOP ticket for all their legislators. This what we will have: A Dem in the WH and a House/Senate filled with GOP. Then what the f*ck do you think will happen?

It is obvious to a blind person. A Hillary nomination will be the worst blunder in DNC history. We will end up with either a neocon (McCain) or a totally ineffective President in Hillary.

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WE ARE THROUGH
Posted by: shd1230 on Jan 26, 2008 1:15 PM   
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THE U.S. IS DONE, GONE, THROUGH. IN ANOTHER GENERATION WE'LL BE A THIRD-WORLD NATION--A FEW RICH MEN AND WOMEN CONTROLLING EVERYTHING AND THE REST POOR MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN LIVING FROM HAND TO MOUTH. OUR CITIZENS WILL BE GOING TO MEXICO AND SOUTH AMERICA TO FIND JOBS IN ORDER TO LIVE. OUR GOVERNMENT WILL RESEMBLE THOSE OF THE MIDDLE-EASTERN COUNTRIES--CONTROLLED BY OIL AND INDUSTRIAL INTERESTS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD. REPUBLICAN--DEMOCRAT--OTHER GROUP--MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. WE ARE TOAST.

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Change" what?
Posted by: kathaksung on Jan 28, 2008 5:23 PM   
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533. "Change" what? (Iowa lesson 2, A covert totalitarian) (1/18/08)

Obama won Iowa Demo Caucus with a great victory, a big conflict to what poll predicted that Clinton led other Demo candidates. He owes the victory to "people want a change". The other candidates, Clinton and Edwards, also followed to claim that they are for "change" too. The ridiculous thing is, nobody dares to say what they try to change. It's a taboo. The utmost limit they could go is "to change the status quo". That's it. They stopped here.

What is the status quo? Let's review seven years since Bush stole the seat of US president. In his regime, US suffered 911 attack which now majority of American people think government more or less involved in. With that as justification he activated two wars in Mid-east: war on Afghanistan and war on Iraq. The government also passed Patriot Act - a law that seriously hurt civil rights of people. Bush also signed a lot of Presidential Directive and executive order to expand police power and erode civil liberty. In his ruling, torture and warrantless eavesdropping blossom and prosper. What else has he achieved? A high national debt you have to pay later.

So what is mainstream of public opinion for "change"? Simple, abandon the war policy, (withdraw from Iraq), invest money in domestic society (spend more for society than on war expense) and recover civil liberty. But even such a simple opinion became a taboo, a scarcity for candidates. They dare not to put it at the point of slogan. All they can do is shout "change". Change what? They dare not say.

In fact, despite most of GOP candidates (belongs to Bush regime, the target of change) the current leading Demo candidates are the same. Hillary and Edwards, both voted for Patriot Act and Iraq War authorization Bill. In this main point, they are no difference to Bush. How hypocrite they are when they cried "change". They should be the target of change. Even Obama is a puppet too. He voted for Patriot Act and voted for the bill for funding the Iraq war, although he voted against Iraq war authorization bill. People have nothing else to choose. Among three rotten apples, they have to choose the lesser one.

The only candidate with a distinctive flag is Ron Paul. He is anti - Iraq war and insists the value of civil liberty. But in a covert totalitarian, a disfavor of the Inside group will never win in a manipulated election.

Not only candidates dare not speak out what people are thinking, (maybe due to the media censorship) the Iraq war and civil rights topic are also the taboo of media. In election news from mainstream media (in my area, Mercury News which I collected a pile of newspaper) there are a lot of report about religious topic, immigration or medicare or sometimes even about economy. All these are long existed problem not related to Bush regime much. They just avoid to touch the topic of Iraq war and civil liberty. (notice what TV and newspaper report on campaign news)

"Change". Change what? Ask your candidate.

It's sad to see such a phenomenon. Candidate shout of "change" but dare not say what to change. That is totalitarian. People, candidates dare not speak up. Then an election became a puppet show. The Inside Group pick up candidate through rigged election. (Feds controlled election office) and make people believe the result through fake poll. (manipulated media).

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