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Now Defense Contractors Are Lecturing Us On Morality?

By Kevin Tillman, AlterNet. Posted January 20, 2008.


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The Washington Post offers us a Very Serious Perspective on the occupation of Iraq, penned by one Nate Slate, a retired Army colonel ...

He Explained Iraq to Me. Now I Have to Explain America.

Not long ago, I finally succeeded in arranging for my Iraqi cultural adviser to move to the safety of the United States. My adviser -- whom I'll call by his tribal name, al-Dulaimi -- helped me navigate the thickets of local culture and politics when I served in Iraq during the first year of the war.

As we drove from the airport down an Oklahoma highway in the darkness, Dulaimi told me that he'd watched the Democratic presidential debates while waiting for his flight out West. "They all talked about leaving Iraq," he said of the candidates. "They're just saying that to get votes, aren't they? They would never do that, would they?"

His plaintive question gave me pause. Of course, Dulaimi wouldn't understand American politics, or the way some Americans would view this war. After all, he had known American soldiers who were selfless and dedicated. Who cherished Army values. Who had committed their lives to each other and this cause.

So it would seem impossible to Dulaimi that the United States might give up. The Americans he knew, the ones he had risked his life (and the lives of his family members) to support, would never "cut and run."

The tag-line's worth noting too:

Nate Slate, a recently retired Army colonel, works for a defense contractor.

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He's a native of Iraq
Posted by: Artkansas on Jan 20, 2008 10:40 AM   
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And he's just withdrawn from Iraq. And he's complaining about us leaving????? LOL!

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kathleen thorn
Posted by: nonney on Jan 20, 2008 11:23 AM   
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I think this article so depresses us that noone wants to comment on it. It is just another example of the oppression and lies that we, as a country are living with. It feels so overpowering, that we are getting weary of fighting this huge beast, or , we feel that it is impossible to win victory. That is the only reason I can see for no comments on this very important reality.

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» RE: kathleen thorn Posted by: lenioui
» RE: kathleen thorn Posted by: particle
He had helped with "Navigating the culture"
Posted by: lenioui on Jan 20, 2008 12:23 PM   
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Very interesting way for the Military to define someone's betrayal to their own people, and then likely benefitting financially through Iraq's destruction. Bet the Iraqi's were pretty upset with this fellow "navigating" the bombs to their doorsteps.

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A saner comment from WaPo
Posted by: brunowe on Jan 20, 2008 2:42 PM   
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By Andrew Bacevich here.

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» RE: A saner comment from WaPo Posted by: Astroboy
selling something
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Jan 20, 2008 3:39 PM   
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I've got a good idea. Why doesn't the chickenhawk get his ass back over to Iraq the way my son is going to have to do? Talking the talk ain't walking the walk. I think larry johnson said it best, if they still loved this country so much and thought that the war was a good thing they should still be in the military and over in Iraq. Anything thing else is bullshit, and they are selling something. Not to me assholes.

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» RE: selling something Posted by: Sissy
Vichy Iraq
Posted by: Dboy on Jan 21, 2008 2:08 AM   
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plenty of interesting parallels to be sure...

http://www.sunderland.ac.uk/~os0tmc/occupied/vichy2.htm

Vichy propaganda was quick to exploit the symbolic potential of France's new saviour. One recurrent theme in many of the posters, advertisements, speeches, books and songs that appeared during the Occupation, was the notion of Pétain as the `father' of the French nation. Behind the figure of the father is, of course, the figure of God and much propaganda played on the quasi-divine nature of Pétain's intervention. A particularly extreme manifestation of the `Pétain as God' analogy came from Georges Gérard who re-wrote the Lord's prayer in his honour. Thus a kind of cult or mystique of le maréchal was created.

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Defence Contractor?
Posted by: zipper696 on Jan 21, 2008 7:40 AM   
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Maybe someone can dig out WHICH company he is a shill for....

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kathleen thorn
Posted by: nonney on Jan 21, 2008 8:11 AM   
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The reality I refer to in the first post on this article is the reality of the distorted 'truths' this war-mongering, war profitering (sic), lying administration puts forth. If we do not wake up, and kick the current mind-set out of America we are all doomed. To me it feels overwhelming sometimes, for the rock keeps rolling downhill, and gaining speed as it goes.

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» RE: kathleen thorn Posted by: TheLimit
who is nate slate?
Posted by: somegirl on Jan 21, 2008 8:33 AM   
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does anyone else doubt this is an actual person?

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» Very interesting question Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Very interesting question Posted by: Astroboy
I've got an idea
Posted by: willymack on Jan 21, 2008 10:32 AM   
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Why don't we empty our prisons of all the hapless twits unlucky enough to be caught with a little weed on them and replace them with crooked politicans and "defense" contractors? The prison population would probably be the same, or maybe it'd increase a bit, but at least the RIGHT people would be there.

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Corporations Fear John Edwards
Posted by: JackieGiles on Jan 21, 2008 11:53 AM   
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Why do you suppose the corporate-owned media, i.e.GE,major "defense"contractor (NBC,MSNBC)and others like FOX owner,Aussy Bush-Buddy gazillionaire Rupert Murdoch are busy dissing John Edwards when they're not writing him out of their scenario for getting the Dem nomination for A)their best Get Out the Vote tool, Hillary Clinton or B) Obama,the African-American that closet bigots tell pollsters they'd vote for, but won't.

Reuters published a piece last week quoting Corporate spokespersons as saying that John Edwards is the candidate the want LEAST. Why would that be?

Edwards, who, unlike Clinton and Obama, has NEVER taken corporate PAC money, has promised to "break the stranglehold" that large corporations like "defense"contractor s who never met a war they didn't love, health care "providers" who spend millions preventing universal health care, and insurance companies who tell us we're in good hands when we pay them huge premiums and forget our names when we make a claim.

The 24/7 cable and "mainstream news"pundits, know how much their bosses want to keep the power they have bought with political contributions to both parties.They don't have a "hook" into Edwards. Whether by direct order or a "wink and a nod", Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, Brit Hume, Brian williams, Katie Couric, Chuck Todd et al know who signs their puffed-up pundit paychecks.

They cluck about Edwards being "angry" and "negative", ignoring the fact that there is such a thing as non-violent,righteous anger about life and death matters like economic injustice and war profiteering by the owners of "news" outlets that tell us only what they wish to while raking in billions because of our ignorance. Example: Is the surge really working when its major goal of political stability in Iraq is as distant as it was pre-surge? But the media have bought into the fiction that it has succeeded.

John Edwards is spot-on when he says it will take a fight to pry loose the financial grip of health insurance companies and drug companies have on our nations lawmakers and points out that "asking nicely",and negotiating with them has not, and will not work to get universal health care for all Americans. "If it worked", he says,"we would have universal health care--When you invite them to the table, they eat all the food".

I marched for Civil Rights for African-Americans in the 1960s and worked for equal rights for women, but that doesn't mean I think anyone is "owed" the presidency for being the first of his/her race or gender to be taken seriously as a candidate.

John Edwards is the right candidate to take on the entrenched DC money moguls, and the most electable candidate in "red" as well as "blue" states.

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Bravo Jackie!
Posted by: Astroboy on Jan 21, 2008 1:36 PM   
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I couldn't agree with you more!

After months and months of deliberation and back and forth on the matter of which candidate to support, I've recently come to the exact same conclusion as you, and I've been pushing for Edwards ever since.

I wish more people would wake up to this reality.

Before it's too late.

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Assisted occupation
Posted by: grn1 on Jan 21, 2008 3:41 PM   
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If there's a better definition of "despised foreign occupation" than that, I'd like to hear it. It's called Palestine, and most of the world recognizes it.

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Let get it own
Posted by: master09 on Jan 21, 2008 5:02 PM   
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We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, THAT WHENEVER ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE END,IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR TO ABOLISH IT, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that Governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

Russian Revolution (1917) was a series of economic and social upheavals in Russia, involving first the overthrow of the tsarist autocracy, and then the overthrow of the liberal and moderate-socialist Provisional Government, resulting in the establishment of Soviet power under the control of the Bolshevik party. .

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Even if a Democrat Wins as President, We Won't Withdraw
Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 21, 2008 7:54 PM   
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What a godawful mess. There is no honorable way out of this shit-storm. I don't think any of the Democrat presidential candidates will get us out of Iraq - except Kucinich and he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination.

Iraq is our version of Rome's Punic Wars. Three Punic Wars - the first lasted 17 years, just like Vietnam lasted 17 years. The 2nd Punic war lasted 25 years and I see us staying in Iraq that long because our govt doesn't want to admit defeat and we want to establish a permanenet military base in the Middle East.

Let's face it - this war has bankrupted our nation and will probably cause our position as world super power to be lost. The surplus from Clinton that Bush ineheirited was spent in the first year of Bush's presidencey. Since our treasury is bankrput with a zero balance and trillions in debt, with the biggest deficit in US history - Bush is just borrowing billions from China and Saudi bankers to finance the Iraq war. When Congress/Senate keeps on voting to finance the war, basically it is just taking out more loans to foreign bankers.

Ever wonder why we can't make the Saudi's improve their abysmal human rights abuse, nor can we get China to stop making pirate DVD's and CD's nor stop making dog food and kids toys without toxic crap in it? Well, because we owe them a shit load of money and you can't exactly go to your banker you are head over heels in debt to and tell them to get their act together.

The Saudi and Chinese bankers have us by the balls. We lost our place as the global leader in manufacturing - China is #1 financial leader. Spain is the strongest economy in the European Union and Bush has driven the country into fiscal disaster. He hasn't admitted it yet, but last weeks wimpy attempt by Bush to fix our ruined economy was pathetic.

Giving each American $800 is not going to fix our economy. The jobs manufacturing and 800 call center jobs, Bush outsourced to China, Vietnam, India and Malaysia - those jobs are never coming back. IT makes me want to puke when I hear McCain say "oh those jobs are coming back" - what planet is he on?

Our economy is in shambles, I don't think it can be fixed and we have Bush and his disastrous badly executed war in Iraq to blame in large part for putting us so deep in debt our grandchildrens grandchildren won't be able to pay off the war debt.

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jjkkll
Posted by: grn1 on Jan 21, 2008 8:32 PM   
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If there's a better definition of "despised foreign occupation" than that, I'd like to hear it. It's called Palestine, and most of the world recognizes it.

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DO WE OR DO WE NOT HAVE OWNERSHIP OF ALL OF THE NEW OIL WELLS WE DRILL IN
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 23, 2008 5:42 PM   
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Iraq? We let them keep the current 3,000. We get the next 11,000. By "we" I mean our corporate oil companies. What do you suppose 11,000 producing wells are worth? They must be worth a million dead Iraqis. That is what we have spent so far. Hide and watch. See if I called it right. If I missed it I will apologize.

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