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NH Recount Finds Vote Count Errors

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted January 17, 2008.


So far the errors highlight problems with electronic voting, but don't overturn Clinton's surprise victory.

Election integrity activists in New Hampshire are finding all kinds of problems with the electronic vote count in last week's presidential primary, after a first day of recounting the Democratic vote. But the problems so far have not changed the outcome of the race that Hillary Clinton won.

According to an extensive report by Brad Friedman, editor and publisher of the BradBlog, which tracks the election integrity community, there have been numerous errors -- small and large -- that the recount, a process where paper ballots that were originally scanned by computer are now counted by hand, has turned up.

These include: electronic tallies that were off by several votes, paper ballots the were not read by electronic scanners (550 in one town), ballots that were not read because the voters used the wrong kind of marking pen. He also reported that some election records are missing, notably computer memory cards.

Election integrity activists from across the country have converged in New Hampshire for the recount, seeing it as an opportunity to showcase the shortcomings of electronic voting systems -- and possibly explain Hillary Clinton's surprise victory in the New Hampshire primary. They were drawn to New Hampshire after noticing that Barack Obama won in precincts counted by hand while Hillary Clinton won in the computer-tallied precincts.

Dennis Kucinich's presidential campaign requested and paid for the recount.

The activists have said that New Hampshire election officials, who used a Diebold optical scan system in 80 percent of the state -- where hand-marked paper ballots are scanned by computer to be counted -- should have audited the machine tallies on Election Night. While some New Hampshire precincts did that, it was not a widespread effort required by state officials.

Curiously, the activists' work may help build a case for a new bill to be introduced in the House today by Rep. Rush Holt, D-NJ, that would provide $600 million for election officials to replace paperless electronic voting machines with the same kind of optical scan system used in New Hampshire, but only if those jurisdictions conduct mandatory audits of the vote totals -- which is what New Hampshire is doing now.

Ironically, in New Hampshire the problems of electronic voting can be seen and tracked because there is a paper audit trail. In the upcoming South Carolina primary, where the state uses paperless electronic voting systems, there will be no independent audit trail to verify the vote.

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Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet.org and co-author of "What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election," with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (The New Press, 2006).

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Voting is a Local Issue
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 17, 2008 10:49 AM   
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Let me repeat that: voting is a LOCAL issue, administered by your county clerk. That's right, right down there at the courthouse.

Unless it's a big metro county, you can walk in and discuss voting technology with the person in charge. They're probably thrilled that someone's interested.

And if you don't like their answers, you can talk with their boss, the county commissioners (or local equivalent), elected officials with a good reason to listen to you. Around here, those are good jobs they really want to keep.

It's in your hands.

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» RE: Voting is a Local Issue Posted by: dbkchi
HAVA Worst Idea EVER
Posted by: JSquercia on Jan 17, 2008 11:05 AM   
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The solition to the stolen 2000 Election was an act that let the Fox into the Hen House the infamous Help America Vote Act .
Despite examples too numerous to cite we being pushed into Electronic Voting . In New York State we have old lever machines which WORK but the Feds are trying to withhold funds because the state is not in compliance with HAVA .
The idea that the code is proprietery is BEYOND mind boggeling . Black Box voting pointed that the requirements for Vegas Slot machines are far more rigerous than for voting machines . The include providing source code to the state . If you are unhappy with that then don't bid . Yes that means you Diebold
In connection with the optical scanners used in NH I watched in amazement as the scanner memory card was placed in the scanner and printed out total votes of zero .A sample set
of votes, 6 no and 2 yes were then read and the card produced the results which were : 7 yes and 1 no . I think this may have been accomplished by having the card preprogramed to reverse the count and to start out the yes votes as plus 1 while the no votes were set to minus 1. This insures that the total votes at start up are zero . This is scary stuff and certainly is PROOF of Stalin's observation that what matters is NOT WHO votes but WHO counts the votes .

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Its
Posted by: rogus on Jan 17, 2008 7:29 PM   
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amazing that people are quit comfortable talking about the NH re-count without giving Dk his due. Dk's name was mentioned once in this article.

Where were Obama,Clinton and Edwards on this matter - especially since this re-count will primarily help one of them. Did they spend a dime on this. NO.

But the guy with the least amount of money, and the least to gain from this once again stood up for the US while the "Top Tier" canidates were awol.

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» RE: Its- Food for Thought Posted by: Patriot46
» RE: Its- Food for Thought Posted by: abbadon2007
» RE: Its- Food for Thought Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: Its- Food for Thought Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: Its- Food for Thought Posted by: pollyanna999
» RE: Its Posted by: peacefullaim
» Hope with Dennis AND Ron Paul NM Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: Its...the guy! Posted by: alternetrose
THE SEALED ELECTRONIC MACHINES ARE THE DIFFERENCE AND...
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jan 18, 2008 4:57 AM   
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they are NOT being observed being unsealed by impartial folks. There are vote fraud experts on site but they are NOT being allowed to insure that the elctronic voting machines aren't compromised. The henhouse is NOT being protected from the wolves who will do anything to insure they aren't caught in this crimnal act.

FOLKS, Clinton didn't win it. There is no way that all the polls were wrong in showing Obama having a significant lead over Clinton. The saame thing happened to Ron Paul. Went in polling 15%, came out at 8%. NO way, epsecially when Paul was getting around 13% in the paper ballot precincts.

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What is a "surprise" about Hillary's NH victory???
Posted by: odcherenow on Jan 18, 2008 6:40 AM   
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This Stephen Rosenfeld is showing up as severely biased in these AlterNet posts.
Two in one issue, one biased against the teachers efforts to get access to Nevada polling places and now this tired canard about how badly the pollsters, caught in the headlights of their own anti-Hillary bias, handicapped that Primary.
Let's all get back on track.
This IS still a Democracy!
Let's give everyone running a fair chance.

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I think I hear the Fat Lady singing...
Posted by: 2dogarage on Jan 18, 2008 7:54 AM   
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It's a little late to be boo-hooing over electronic machines, isn't it? Some of us were appalled when they first came into use long before this election.

Without a paper trail there is simply no accountability, something that should have been brutally obvious to the average 6th grader let alone those in charge of the voting process.

Welcome to the New World Order where the wolves don't even bother to hide their corrupt machinations.

They say "it's not over until it's over" but I say "the Fat Lady is bringing down the house".

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VOTING IS NOT A LOCAL ISSUE. FLORIDA IN 2000 IMPACTED
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 19, 2008 12:34 AM   
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me. Ohio in 2004 impacted me. I am personally worse off than I would have been if Bush had lost. We need national voting laws.

The reason the right wing presses localism and states rights is they are big enough to corrupt these entities easily. William Jennings Bryan was never in the senate because senate seats were bought and he had not the money. Thomas Gore was senator from Oklahoma because he was a wealthy New York lawyer and had the money to buy the legislature. William Randolph Hearst senior found that he couldn't buy the California legislature. So he bought the San Francisco Chronicle instead. He got the next available seat. He didn't need the Chronicle any more so he gave it to his son.

The big corporations come into Oklahoma and buy enough legislators to get anything they want. When you hear someone talking states rights you immediatly know that he is naive, a crook, or a redneck biggot.

Our last insurance commissioner was removed from office because Farmers Insurance group had purchased his office furniture. The state requires insurance. The companies have exempted themselves from lawsuits in certain cases. They always deny every claim. You must sue the individual. If you can't afford a lawsuit or it is not a large enough item to afford a lawsuit over, the company wins by default. Insurance companies buy state legislatures. Oil companies buy state legislatures. Even chicken farmers have bought the Texas legislature.

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Little Differences Add Up
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 19, 2008 6:58 AM   
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there have been numerous errors ... these include: electronic tallies that were off by several votes,

This is no small thing! Our elections are typically so close that a few tallies being off by several votes can easily change the results of the election. If someone were trying to undermine an election this would be exactly the sensible way for them to do it. Software can be written to make a great many small, apparently insignificant errors that add up to a big deal.

Why are the vote tallies off at all? These are computers after all and if they are designed and programmed correctly they should not make any small errors. When your computer fails at home it does not just make little errors, it hangs up and needs to be re-booted. Voting machines are no different - small counting errors are very suspicious and should not be dismissed.

Just ask yourself how you would feel if each month your bank just made a small error in computing your balance. You might not miss the $9.65 this month or the $7.23 last month, but at the end of the year, this kind of systematic little mistake would make a big difference to the bottom line of your Bank.

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Why is it taking so long to finish the recount in Hillsborough County
Posted by: RWMann on Jan 21, 2008 2:41 PM   
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The town of Weare in Hillsborough County probably cast about 1400+ votes in the Democratic primary.
All of the other towns in Hillsborough County have been recounted. If the count in Weare were completed, we would have a clear picture of the results in Hillsborough County, the largest county (I believe) in New Hampshire.
What is the hold up? Is there a good reason this one town has not been recounted yeat?

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