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How to Rig an Election: Confessions of a Republican Operative

Allen Raymond, a former Republican National Committee operative, shares secrets from the GOP bunker.
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Allen Raymond worked inside Republican election circles for years, until he was convicted of illegally jamming telephone lines to New Hampshire Democratic Party offices on Election Day in 2002. After serving five months in jail, he and co-author Ian Spiegelman wrote How to Rig An Election, Confessions of a Republican Operative. The book details Raymond's rise in GOP campaign circles; the attitude, tactics and strategies used to win; and how the RNC asked his firm to jam Democratic phone lines, but would not defend him in court after Democrats fought back and pressed court charges. AlterNet's Steven Rosenfeld interviewed Raymond about his political education, GOP tactics and his take on the current presidential field.

ALTERNET: The title of your book is How to Rig an Election. Can elections be rigged?

RAYMOND:: Sure. We're not talking about what people often think about, like ballot box stuffing. Certainly, that stuff goes on here and there. What we are really talking about in the book is how messages are created and delivered to the voting public, in a way that orchestrates and manipulates response. It's all about feeling an emotion; it's not about raw issues and logic.

In the book I give a lot of examples of rigging elections by, put it this way, guys like me -- I used to be a campaign manager. Once you are all said and done and deliver a message, two plus two equals whatever I want it to equal. The facts and sometimes even contorting the facts to lead voters to conclusions that may not necessarily, if you step back, make any sense -- but, in context, make all the sense in the world.

There's that aspect of it. Then there's just the more raw aspect of it, which leads up to the culmination of the book, which is the 2002 New Hampshire phone-jamming scandal.

ALTERNET: Why is emotion more important than facts?

RAYMOND:: Well, because people are looking at the candidates. The candidates are on television, mostly. That's where they get their information, particularly on presidential campaigns. Less so in congressional campaigns and local elections, but in presidential campaigns, that's where voters get their information -- by watching the television news. The characters are there. They are defined for them. They know what they look like. They can read their facial expressions. They can hear their words if they're spoken. Largely, that's where people are getting their information, as opposed to information from print media, which is just not the case anymore.

The candidates can't help but speak and emote. It's that famous saying from the Roger Ailes book, "You are the message." You have to believe what you are saying. And so, in that way, it's the medium in which most voters are getting their information.

ALTERNET: Is television particularly conducive to contorting the facts?

RAYMOND:: Or just manipulating the emotions, or even orchestrating emotions. Look at the reasons given for Hillary Clinton's win in New Hampshire, and that's because of two emotional moments. It wasn't winning the day with argument. It was two emotional moments.

ALTERNET: Do you buy that?

RAYMOND:: Absolutely, I buy that, because that's how I practiced the trade. It's kind of that saying, 'Don't believe your lying eyes. Listen what I have to tell you.' So yes, I do believe that. In the New Hampshire contest, there are a lot of things I don't believe, but the two emotional moments are what I do believe helped her win.

ALTERNET: What don't you believe?

RAYMOND:: Well, I didn't believe the polling. As a rule of thumb, I believe in polling, absolutely. I just didn't believe that the polling numbers that were being reported in the press were accurate. If you think about it, she went from being up by 6 (percent) to down by 13 (percent) and then winning by 3 (percent). That's a 19-point swing in one direction and a 21 point swing in the other, and I just don't believe that.

ALTERNET: You wrote that winning is more about dividing voters than uniting voters. Can you explain that?

RAYMOND:: Most of your readers will remember that George Bush said that "I'm a uniter, not a divider." But if you look at most presidential elections, they are won with pluralities. They are not even won with majorities. I think President Clinton won in '92 with something like 48 percent. So, that's not even a majority. So you can't be claiming to be uniting anybody when you don't even have a majority. That's one aspect of that.

The other aspect of that is what people commonly know as polarization, wedge issues. These are issues that incite people to vote on an emotional level. Often times in a survey you look for that wedge issue that gets a positive response, or the response you are looking for, from at least 60 percent of the electorate or those surveyed. And what that means is that's an overwhelming good issue.

So, for instance, if you said, "Would you be more or less likely to vote for candidate A if you knew that he had been indicted for embezzlement?" Well, I'd be less likely. Probably 75 percent of the people would say that. Well, there's your issue. And that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that maybe candidate A is also the best candidate for other reasons. That cancels all things out.

ALTERNET: So you're not trying to make the best case to bring people together, you are trying to make a case to parse the electorate and bring out the segment that will support your guy or your gal.

RAYMOND:: To win, you only need 50 percent of the people who vote plus one. That's it. You don't need 75 percent. You don't need 65 percent. If there is an issue that 49 percent of the people are repulsed by it, but 50 percent plus one are not, then there's your issue. And generally, those are the issues that you are looking for. You are looking to thread that needle at the 60 percent threshold.

ALTERNET: How do you think the candidates are doing given that kind of analysis?

RAYMOND:: I think they are doing well. In the Democratic primary, you are seeing a debate that is flirting with race and gender. That is exactly what I'm talking about. Hillary Clinton says something. It opens the door, and the Obama campaign steps through that door. The reason for that is obvious, because you're going into two contests -- Nevada and South Carolina -- that have far more minority voters than Iowa and New Hampshire. That's why you are starting to see race and gender.

The other reason is -- the factor for gender -- is that's Hillary Clinton's strength. And that gets back to those two emotional moments in New Hampshire. So I think that is what is going on in the Democratic primary as we are speaking today.

ALTERNET: What about the Republican side?

RAYMOND:: I think there is a different dynamic going on. You have to remember that Republicans always vote for the guy whose turn it is. And the only reason that John McCain seemed to lose favor, or did lose favor, was immigration. But he's back. And voters are saying, 'Well, he ran in 2000. He's a senior senator. It's his turn.' That's in the Republican DNA. You pick the guy whose turn it is. I think that's more of the dynamic going on.

ALTERNET: What tactics would you expect to see in the primary and not in the general election, and vice versa?

RAYMOND:: In both, you see tactics that seek to tap into latent bigotry and racism. That's just part of the equation. And it's a horrible thing to say. But it's better to be candid and transparent to understand what is going on than ignore the elephant in the room. For instance, let's go back to 2000 and the South Carolina attack on Sen. McCain and his daughter, which was totally abhorrent, but that was meant to tap into a racist thread or strain in a segment in that electorate. It's going on again in South Carolina, this time targeted at Gov. Romney and his faith and tying that to polygamy. So that's bigotry.

I think you're seeing elements of it in this debate that's going right now around race in the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton saying, "Well, there's no way you can have civil rights until a white leader stepped in and decided to do something about it." That's essentially the element of the charge, if I am correct. And the counter to that is, "This doesn't happen but for some very brave, courageous people doing what they did. Namely, Martin Luther King -- many, many others, of course -- but mainly Martin Luther King, Jr."

That is tapping into some very basic emotion about race. That's America. America is, and has been, to some degree, a debate about race.

ALTERNET: Who's doing the attacks on Romney?

RAYMOND:: Who knows? They don't want you to know who is doing it. You have to look at who benefits the most. And also, who is most likely to do it? For instance, again, in New Hampshire, there is now currently an investigation by the attorney general's office into some push polling that occurred in November of last year. So you need to look at who benefits the most and who has the resources. And that starts to winnow the field of suspects.

In New Hampshire, I can tell you who I think it rules out. It rules out John McCain, because he has a history of campaigning in New Hampshire that doesn't include tactics like that. Also, he just didn't have the resources at the time to do such a thing. That eliminates him in my mind. It's doubtful that it's Huckabee, himself. It could be Huckabee supporters because they -- actually, that is where most of the outside pressure has come from in the Republican presidential primary. From Huckabee supporters, not the campaign itself; the campaign is not involved. But I think there's a group called Common Sense Issues that has been very active on behalf of Huckabee's candidacy and using push polling, and there's been some fairly extensive interviews. They are talking about what they are doing.

ALTERNET: On the Democratic side, I think the real race issue is Hillary Clinton's surrogates trying to shut down the Culinary Workers Union caucus sites, because Nevada was supposed to be one of two showcase states for minority voters. That's why it was moved to third position. That is a classic wedge issue, since they endorsed Obama.

RAYMOND:: The irony, at least in the New Hampshire phone jamming case, is that you hear a lot about voter suppression. But here in Nevada, that's exactly what is going on because Sen. Clinton did not get the Culinary Workers Union endorsement, and so it is in her interest not to make it easy for them to go caucus.

ALTERNET: Is it naive of me to be surprised, at least on the Democratic side?

RAYMOND:: I think being surprised by stuff like that is healthy, because it means that you have faith in the system. Look, the system itself is fine. It's the operators within the system that are the threat. And I used to be one of those. And the reason I wrote the book was -- there's that Justice Brandeis quote that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

In the book, I try to be candid and transparent, so hopefully in doing so I serve some kind of public purpose. I think it is healthy to be surprised. But look, it's to her benefit to make it harder for these people to vote, and I think that speaks volumes.

ALTERNET: What do you think is the more important part of your book? Your education and early campaigns, or what the Republicans did to you with the New Hampshire phone jamming, which was basically asking you to do it and then abandoning you when they got caught?

RAYMOND:: First of all, I never thought that they abandoned me. I accepted the paradigm of there's a scandal, I'm the vendor, I take the heat. And I did. I never spoke to the press. They said all kinds of terrible, nasty things about me. That's fine. But when it came to a criminal investigation, that's different. And I even said as much to them. I said, 'Look, you don't worry about me until it becomes a criminal investigation, and then all bets are off.'

So when our government actually came to me and asked me what happened, I told them the truth. And I didn't hesitate. I know people hate to hear this when I say this, but I was not seeking to go out and break the law. In fact, when I did it, I didn't think I had, because I had consulted an attorney. But it turns out that I did, and I accepted the consequences.

But I think the more important part of the book is the earlier chapters. Obviously you read the book and you get it. The earlier chapters are, in a way, more commonplace. And being more commonplace means it's more widespread than you might suspect.

ALTERNET: I know a lot of Democratic political consultants who are easily as aggressive as you were and would respect what you were doing early on. Although now they would say, "I was in my 20s. It was over the top. But I did what I had to do."

RAYMOND:: That's right. When you're young like that, you know this, you say, "I can do anything. Ideally you don't put any limits on yourself."

ALTERNET: Did you write this book to exorcize your demons?

RAYMOND:: To be perfectly honest, the book started as a vindictive rant. What I objected to was the party itself spending so much money when it became a criminal investigation, not that I thought they should pay for my defense. I just found it wrong that they were paying for one of my co-conspirator's defense to the tune of $3 million. The entire amount of money spent between the civil suit and the criminal suit was close to $7 million, I've read, which, when you think about it, is about 10 percent of the off-year budget at the RNC. That's a lot of money, particularly when the average donation is $35.

I had worked for the RNC twice, once as a regional political director and once as the chief of staff to a co-chairman. And I just felt like, when I went to them and said, "This is going on. You should know your guy is involved. You should know I'm not going to say anything about it until it becomes criminal," and they just disregarded what I had to tell them. What that said to me was they don't care. Or they knew about it, or had some knowledge in advance, and they are circling the wagons and protecting someone other than their guy on the front line.

ALTERNET: How high up does it go? Is everything tied to Karl Rove?

RAYMOND:: There is a difference between the line responsibility and the overall responsibility. So, a Karl Rove is going to be responsible for the overall strategic and tactical thinking. But when you get down in the trenches, there's line responsibility. And so most decisions don't go any higher than, say, the political director at the Republican National Committee.

But in my case, having worked there in those jobs, I knew two things, which was -- the first being, and I say that in the book, this (phone-jamming) was an unusual request. It prompted me to seek out an attorney. But what that tells me is such things don't see the light of day unless they have been vetted, particularly by someone who has worked at the RNC for as long as my co-conspirator had.
Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet.org and co-author of What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (The New Press, 2006).
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Dirty tricks
Posted by: vox persona on Jan 17, 2008 2:01 AM   
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The article should have been more comprehensive with having him name all the dirty tricks he either engaged in or knew about. Different questions could have ferreted out much more information from such a valuable source. I know the Republicans stole the last two presidential elections, but all the dirt as to how was obscured in this piece. Phone jamming and emotion manipulation? Not enough, I don't want to read his book to find out all the gory details. They didn't even cover the electronic voting machines that are hackable, have no paperless trail, and are not reliable. As long as we use those types of machines, I will have zero faith in our voting system.

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A drop in the bucket
Posted by: Intihuatana on Jan 17, 2008 3:33 AM   
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I couldn't help but imagine the GOP sponsoring a "Suppress the Vote!!" campaign on MTV to counter the obvious democratically advantageous "Rock the Vote!!" campaign. Instead of being able to register to vote, users could contribute with pledges of heroic vigilante intimidation at the polls or banding together to create power outages in lower class neighborhoods.

But in the end, don't the special interest groups, lobbyists, and corporate controlled media already effectively silence our voices? For all the crucial work Mr. Raymond does for the GOP, do you really think that he or others like him make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things?

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Apparently they did...
Posted by: papananook on Jan 17, 2008 4:08 AM   
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...enough to get the current A**hole elected twice.

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Wrong title
Posted by: Hans B on Jan 17, 2008 4:11 AM   
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"How to rig an election" is a misleading title for this article. The interviewee talks about ways to influence elections, distasteful maybe, but not rigging in the literal sense of the word. The title made me expect an article about voting machines, disenfranchisement, gerrymandering, whatever, not how to do tv ads.

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Maybe, but...
Posted by: papananook on Jan 17, 2008 5:40 AM   
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It would take volumes to document all that Rove and his cronies have pulled off...and certainly more than this rather tame article

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THERE WILL BE A RECOUNT IN NH
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jan 17, 2008 6:00 AM   
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The Ron Paul supporters came up with over $56,ooo in less than a week to force a recount in NH. We plan to do the exact same thing in any primary where vote fraud is evident.

This is NOT a Ron Paul thing. Notice that Kucinich also wants a recount but couldn't come up with the money.

This is NOT about whether you support Ron Paul. It is about honest elections. It is sick how the MSM has treated a princiled man like Kucinich and Paul.

BTW, Dennis said his FIRST choice for VP would be Ron Paul. And Ron Paul said he would seriously consider Dennis. NEAT!!!

Please put aside ideology and join in the battle for honest elections.

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Other book
Posted by: tiredangry on Jan 17, 2008 6:08 AM   
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Another book about voter suppression is Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. He is an American working for the BBC as an investigative reporter. The UK knew more about our last presidential vote than we did. His book is about a range of topics, but a lot of it is devoted to voter suppression by the RNC.

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What about the primary debates themselves? Hint: NV and Kucinich
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 17, 2008 6:34 AM   
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Forcing any candidate off a debate is a major symptom of tyranny in any given nation. From there, rigging elections can only get "easy".

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I read somewhere...
Posted by: sausage on Jan 17, 2008 6:37 AM   
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I read somewhere, maybe it was the New York Times Online, that Democrats spend exorbitant sums on "consultants," Carville, Begala, Brazile et al., while Republicans spend less on political consultants and more on Madison Avenue advertising and marketing firms.

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This Raymond dude
Posted by: steven w on Jan 17, 2008 7:08 AM   
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is one of thew major problems we have in this nation. But, I guess there will always be pricks like that around that have no conscience or love for our country or patriotism. Hope he gets what he desreves.

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Curious and Alarming Absence...
Posted by: gazooks on Jan 17, 2008 7:24 AM   
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...In the aftermath of Steven Rosenfeld's piece, "Experts Question Clinton's New Hampshire Primary Win", posted here on 01/11, no other media source that I've been able to find has dealt with this;

"There is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan (computers) versus votes tabulated by hand:

Clinton optical scan: 91,717 (52.95%)

Obama optical scan: 81,495 (47.05%)

Clinton hand-counted: 20,889 (47.05%)

Obama hand-counted: 23,509 (52.95%)

"The percentages seem to be swapped," he wrote, in a short piece posted Thursday on OpEdNews.com. "That seems highly unusual, to say the least."

There was a general mention of the recount requests in the Post, NYT, etc., but complete absence of reporting the bizarre percentage reversal anomaly, as stunningly alarming as it is in terms of it's chances of not being a software hacking issue, is glaring.

If these electronic voting machines now dominating our polling places can be so easily be tampered with despite the accumulated controversy from usage and credible, independent analysis from prior "elections", why are the dirty tricks referenced here considered relevant to the "election" process any longer? It's simply arcane manipulation methodology.

If numbers can be so easily flipped at any given polling station after two consecutive stolen Presidential elections and there's no media uproar over it, what's the point?

Why do we bother going through the motions of a simulated campaign and election process if in the end the States deciding the results are such completely incredible, tampered bullshit?

What does it take?

Mother Jones put it in focus 4 years ago here: (fix space after.com/)

http://www.motherjones.com/ commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

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Disgusting
Posted by: outlander55 on Jan 17, 2008 7:45 AM   
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This makes me sick. Too bad most Americans are so gullable and lazy that they will believe lies and deceit on television rather than do a little research to find out if the crap they heard is true or not. The majority of the American public has become too complacent and deserves what it gets.
Knowledge is power and ignorance will cost Americans their liberty and freedom.

Good night and good luck....

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Hey you!
Posted by: skylark on Jan 17, 2008 8:09 AM   
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How Rig an Article So People Will Read It

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This guy probably has limited knowledge.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 17, 2008 10:20 AM   
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Karl Rove wouldn't trust his underlings - he probably only tells them what they need to know. As far as how the elections have been rigged, there are at least two main themes:

1) Getting people kicked off voter rolls by any means available. Greg Palast has done the most reporting on this issue: The Great Florida Ex-Con Game, 2002

"Two of these “scrub lists,” as officials called them, were distributed to counties in the months before the election with orders to remove the voters named. Together the lists comprised nearly 1 percent of Florida?s electorate and nearly 3 percent of its African-American voters.

Followed by Vanishing Votes, Palast 2004:

"According to records given to the courts by ChoicePoint, the company that generated the computerized lists, the number of Floridians who were questionably tagged totals 91,000."

(ChoicePoint should ring a few bells - they're the massive computer security firm that collects and sells private and sensitive information on U.S. citizens to anyone who has the cash to pay.)

2) Even if the voter is allowed to vote, there's no guarantee that the vote will be counted correctly:

"Take Gadsden County. Of Florida's sixty-seven counties, Gadsden has the highest proportion of black residents: 58 percent. It also has the highest "spoilage" rate, that is, ballots tossed out on technicalities: one in eight votes cast but not counted. Next door to Gadsden is white-majority Leon County, where virtually every vote is counted (a spoilage rate of one in 500)."

That's not even counting the bogus electronic voting machine systems, owned and controlled by private vendors with close ties to corporate interests.

Then, we get to Ohio: How They Stole Ohio, Palast, 2006

"But the shoplifting of those votes in Ohio was just the tip of the theft-berg. November 2, 2004 was a national ballot-box bonfire. In total, over three million votes (3,600,380 to be exact) were cast -- marked, punched, pulled -- YET NEVER COUNTED. I'm not talking about the Ukraine or Uganda. I'm talking about the United States of America "with liberty and justice for all."

Well, not "all." The nine-to-one Black-to-White ballot spoilage rate is a national statistic -- not just an Ohio trick. Last year, I flew to New Mexico to investigate the 33,981 cast but not counted ballots of that state in the 2004 race. George Bush "won" New Mexico by 5,988 votes. Or did he? I calculated that, of all the ballots rejected and "spoiled," 89% were cast by voters of color. Who won New Mexico? Kerry won -- or he would have, if they had counted the ballots.


That's how you rig an election.

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VOTE MACHIINE ARE EVIL
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 17, 2008 10:41 AM   
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HOW ABOUT THE VOTE RIGGING MACHINES... THAT IS THERE ENTIRE PURPOSE ,,, TO KEEP POPULISM OUT OF GOVERNMENT... FUCKING CRIMINALS!

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Presidential Candidates and the People; Politics is Personal
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Jan 17, 2008 6:55 PM   
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Dear Steven Rosenfeld . . .

I just heard an interview with Author Allen Raymond an hour ago. Your conversation is far more comprehensive than the earlier exchange. I appreciate this discussion.

I am reminded of a time when I was asked to be a Campaign Coordinator. After a few weeks on the job, I realized if I did not leave the position, I would become hardened. I decided I rather have faith and believe that people are basically good. Hence, I did chose another career path.

Allen Raymond speaks of much that I think marvelous; Americans must be aware of the psychology behind a campaign. Candidates are sold as any product might be. As Marshall McLuhan stated, "The medium is the message."

The reasons we vote for one hopeful or another are personal. Our emotions drive us. Conglomerates, Candidates, Correspondents understand this and make use of our weakness.

I thank you for this informative conversation. Please extend my gratitude to Allen Raymond.

I invite you to review, reflect, and share your thoughts on . . .
Presidential Candidates and the People; Politics is Personal

The Yellow Brick Road, The Campaign Trail, And Us

Campaign Killers; Conglomerates, Candidates, Correspondents

Since many comments refer to the voting machines and how fallible these might be, I offer a treatise that might interest those concerned with the mechanisms.
The Computer Ate My Vote

Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org

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Ever notice how the corruption has become more and more obvious
Posted by: Missing Piece on Jan 17, 2008 7:26 PM   
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Ever notice how the middle class has spend stripped of there wealth. Ever notice how the government subsidies the raping of Americans (401k). Wake up people, see past the bullshit, we have been set up to fail and the elite know it. Peak oil has occured and we are already declining at 4% a year. Learn how to get along with conservatives, because the political atmosphere has become polarized for a reason, so we will attack and blame each other instead of getting rid of the elite that has brought us to peak oil with no sustainable infrastructure to adjust to a new life. Think I'm wrong, then look at what europe has done to get ready and look at aspo's websites about peak oil. Even if electric cars came out tomorrow, our roads and infrastructure are too oil intensive to support. Syops has already convinced us that planes took down WTC7 and that Iraq was a threat but we all know who the real enemy is......Peak oil and the elite who want us to support there resource war.

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It's not "rigging", It's manipulating
Posted by: dbursch on Jan 18, 2008 6:41 AM   
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a poorly informed and predictable electorate. What is most disappointing and damning is not that unscrupulous politicos try to steer elections there way but that we let them!

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We need an honest, transparent election (Iowa Primary lesson 1)
Posted by: kathaksung on Jan 18, 2008 7:03 PM   
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532. We need an honest, transparent election (Iowa Primary lesson 1) (1/13/07)

Obama wins Iowa - a state with 92% white population. Why a white state which generally considered conservative has elected a black candidate? It means American people are too resentful to the policy of current government. They hate Iraq war and the loss of civil right.

How can we have this result? Because Iowa Democratic Primary Caucus is an honest, transparent one. Residents gathered at the site on time to discuss their choices then raise their hands. The counting is present, direct and clear. Voters know the result right away. It makes an election hard to be rigged.

As we have seen the mainstream of public opinion is to change the status quo, then Ron Paul should have won the Iowa Republican Caucus too. He has more distinctive flag than Obama has. But he only got 10%. Why? He obviously lost to a corruptive vote system in Iowa Republican Primary - ballot counting.
The ballot was counted by election office. Then an officer would tell you the result. A number can be faked or altered easily. Voters can hardly verify it individually.

This is proved in New Hampshire Primary:

Quote, "Voter Fraud Against Paul Confirmed in Sutton, N.H
By admin | January 8, 2008
Sutton with 100% reporting reported 0 votes for paul but poster in Sutton posted:
My mom, aunt, and dad all voted for RP today in my hometown, My mom and aunt both work passing out ballots, and checking them off. I just looked at the politico map and it says their town has ZERO votes for Ron. Now i know that there isn’t corruption on voting in that little town, so where they reported it must be. What do I do, anyone know???

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=655#more-655

Greenville Vote Discrepancy SAME as Sutton
Moreover, when Sutton had been found out, they quickly added 31 votes, and cited ‘human error.’ What is their excuse for this source, now showing Greenville at 25 votes:

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IT IS NOT KUCINICH THEY HATE:
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 19, 2008 1:18 AM   
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it is us they hate. They are arrogating power to themselves.

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Dirty tricks
Posted by: vox persona on Jan 17, 2008 2:01 AM   
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The article should have been more comprehensive with having him name all the dirty tricks he either engaged in or knew about. Different questions could have ferreted out much more information from such a valuable source. I know the Republicans stole the last two presidential elections, but all the dirt as to how was obscured in this piece. Phone jamming and emotion manipulation? Not enough, I don't want to read his book to find out all the gory details. They didn't even cover the electronic voting machines that are hackable, have no paperless trail, and are not reliable. As long as we use those types of machines, I will have zero faith in our voting system.

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A drop in the bucket
Posted by: Intihuatana on Jan 17, 2008 3:33 AM   
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I couldn't help but imagine the GOP sponsoring a "Suppress the Vote!!" campaign on MTV to counter the obvious democratically advantageous "Rock the Vote!!" campaign. Instead of being able to register to vote, users could contribute with pledges of heroic vigilante intimidation at the polls or banding together to create power outages in lower class neighborhoods.

But in the end, don't the special interest groups, lobbyists, and corporate controlled media already effectively silence our voices? For all the crucial work Mr. Raymond does for the GOP, do you really think that he or others like him make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things?

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Apparently they did...
Posted by: papananook on Jan 17, 2008 4:08 AM   
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...enough to get the current A**hole elected twice.

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Wrong title
Posted by: Hans B on Jan 17, 2008 4:11 AM   
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"How to rig an election" is a misleading title for this article. The interviewee talks about ways to influence elections, distasteful maybe, but not rigging in the literal sense of the word. The title made me expect an article about voting machines, disenfranchisement, gerrymandering, whatever, not how to do tv ads.

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Maybe, but...
Posted by: papananook on Jan 17, 2008 5:40 AM   
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It would take volumes to document all that Rove and his cronies have pulled off...and certainly more than this rather tame article

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THERE WILL BE A RECOUNT IN NH
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jan 17, 2008 6:00 AM   
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The Ron Paul supporters came up with over $56,ooo in less than a week to force a recount in NH. We plan to do the exact same thing in any primary where vote fraud is evident.

This is NOT a Ron Paul thing. Notice that Kucinich also wants a recount but couldn't come up with the money.

This is NOT about whether you support Ron Paul. It is about honest elections. It is sick how the MSM has treated a princiled man like Kucinich and Paul.

BTW, Dennis said his FIRST choice for VP would be Ron Paul. And Ron Paul said he would seriously consider Dennis. NEAT!!!

Please put aside ideology and join in the battle for honest elections.

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Other book
Posted by: tiredangry on Jan 17, 2008 6:08 AM   
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Another book about voter suppression is Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. He is an American working for the BBC as an investigative reporter. The UK knew more about our last presidential vote than we did. His book is about a range of topics, but a lot of it is devoted to voter suppression by the RNC.

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What about the primary debates themselves? Hint: NV and Kucinich
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 17, 2008 6:34 AM   
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Forcing any candidate off a debate is a major symptom of tyranny in any given nation. From there, rigging elections can only get "easy".

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I read somewhere...
Posted by: sausage on Jan 17, 2008 6:37 AM   
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I read somewhere, maybe it was the New York Times Online, that Democrats spend exorbitant sums on "consultants," Carville, Begala, Brazile et al., while Republicans spend less on political consultants and more on Madison Avenue advertising and marketing firms.

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This Raymond dude
Posted by: steven w on Jan 17, 2008 7:08 AM   
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is one of thew major problems we have in this nation. But, I guess there will always be pricks like that around that have no conscience or love for our country or patriotism. Hope he gets what he desreves.

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Curious and Alarming Absence...
Posted by: gazooks on Jan 17, 2008 7:24 AM   
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...In the aftermath of Steven Rosenfeld's piece, "Experts Question Clinton's New Hampshire Primary Win", posted here on 01/11, no other media source that I've been able to find has dealt with this;

"There is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan (computers) versus votes tabulated by hand:

Clinton optical scan: 91,717 (52.95%)

Obama optical scan: 81,495 (47.05%)

Clinton hand-counted: 20,889 (47.05%)

Obama hand-counted: 23,509 (52.95%)

"The percentages seem to be swapped," he wrote, in a short piece posted Thursday on OpEdNews.com. "That seems highly unusual, to say the least."

There was a general mention of the recount requests in the Post, NYT, etc., but complete absence of reporting the bizarre percentage reversal anomaly, as stunningly alarming as it is in terms of it's chances of not being a software hacking issue, is glaring.

If these electronic voting machines now dominating our polling places can be so easily be tampered with despite the accumulated controversy from usage and credible, independent analysis from prior "elections", why are the dirty tricks referenced here considered relevant to the "election" process any longer? It's simply arcane manipulation methodology.

If numbers can be so easily flipped at any given polling station after two consecutive stolen Presidential elections and there's no media uproar over it, what's the point?

Why do we bother going through the motions of a simulated campaign and election process if in the end the States deciding the results are such completely incredible, tampered bullshit?

What does it take?

Mother Jones put it in focus 4 years ago here: (fix space after.com/)

http://www.motherjones.com/ commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

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Disgusting
Posted by: outlander55 on Jan 17, 2008 7:45 AM   
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This makes me sick. Too bad most Americans are so gullable and lazy that they will believe lies and deceit on television rather than do a little research to find out if the crap they heard is true or not. The majority of the American public has become too complacent and deserves what it gets.
Knowledge is power and ignorance will cost Americans their liberty and freedom.

Good night and good luck....

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Hey you!
Posted by: skylark on Jan 17, 2008 8:09 AM   
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How Rig an Article So People Will Read It

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This guy probably has limited knowledge.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 17, 2008 10:20 AM   
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Karl Rove wouldn't trust his underlings - he probably only tells them what they need to know. As far as how the elections have been rigged, there are at least two main themes:

1) Getting people kicked off voter rolls by any means available. Greg Palast has done the most reporting on this issue: The Great Florida Ex-Con Game, 2002

"Two of these “scrub lists,” as officials called them, were distributed to counties in the months before the election with orders to remove the voters named. Together the lists comprised nearly 1 percent of Florida?s electorate and nearly 3 percent of its African-American voters.

Followed by Vanishing Votes, Palast 2004:

"According to records given to the courts by ChoicePoint, the company that generated the computerized lists, the number of Floridians who were questionably tagged totals 91,000."

(ChoicePoint should ring a few bells - they're the massive computer security firm that collects and sells private and sensitive information on U.S. citizens to anyone who has the cash to pay.)

2) Even if the voter is allowed to vote, there's no guarantee that the vote will be counted correctly:

"Take Gadsden County. Of Florida's sixty-seven counties, Gadsden has the highest proportion of black residents: 58 percent. It also has the highest "spoilage" rate, that is, ballots tossed out on technicalities: one in eight votes cast but not counted. Next door to Gadsden is white-majority Leon County, where virtually every vote is counted (a spoilage rate of one in 500)."

That's not even counting the bogus electronic voting machine systems, owned and controlled by private vendors with close ties to corporate interests.

Then, we get to Ohio: How They Stole Ohio, Palast, 2006

"But the shoplifting of those votes in Ohio was just the tip of the theft-berg. November 2, 2004 was a national ballot-box bonfire. In total, over three million votes (3,600,380 to be exact) were cast -- marked, punched, pulled -- YET NEVER COUNTED. I'm not talking about the Ukraine or Uganda. I'm talking about the United States of America "with liberty and justice for all."

Well, not "all." The nine-to-one Black-to-White ballot spoilage rate is a national statistic -- not just an Ohio trick. Last year, I flew to New Mexico to investigate the 33,981 cast but not counted ballots of that state in the 2004 race. George Bush "won" New Mexico by 5,988 votes. Or did he? I calculated that, of all the ballots rejected and "spoiled," 89% were cast by voters of color. Who won New Mexico? Kerry won -- or he would have, if they had counted the ballots.


That's how you rig an election.

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VOTE MACHIINE ARE EVIL
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 17, 2008 10:41 AM   
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HOW ABOUT THE VOTE RIGGING MACHINES... THAT IS THERE ENTIRE PURPOSE ,,, TO KEEP POPULISM OUT OF GOVERNMENT... FUCKING CRIMINALS!

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Presidential Candidates and the People; Politics is Personal
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Jan 17, 2008 6:55 PM   
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Dear Steven Rosenfeld . . .

I just heard an interview with Author Allen Raymond an hour ago. Your conversation is far more comprehensive than the earlier exchange. I appreciate this discussion.

I am reminded of a time when I was asked to be a Campaign Coordinator. After a few weeks on the job, I realized if I did not leave the position, I would become hardened. I decided I rather have faith and believe that people are basically good. Hence, I did chose another career path.

Allen Raymond speaks of much that I think marvelous; Americans must be aware of the psychology behind a campaign. Candidates are sold as any product might be. As Marshall McLuhan stated, "The medium is the message."

The reasons we vote for one hopeful or another are personal. Our emotions drive us. Conglomerates, Candidates, Correspondents understand this and make use of our weakness.

I thank you for this informative conversation. Please extend my gratitude to Allen Raymond.

I invite you to review, reflect, and share your thoughts on . . .
Presidential Candidates and the People; Politics is Personal

The Yellow Brick Road, The Campaign Trail, And Us

Campaign Killers; Conglomerates, Candidates, Correspondents

Since many comments refer to the voting machines and how fallible these might be, I offer a treatise that might interest those concerned with the mechanisms.
The Computer Ate My Vote

Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org

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Ever notice how the corruption has become more and more obvious
Posted by: Missing Piece on Jan 17, 2008 7:26 PM   
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Ever notice how the middle class has spend stripped of there wealth. Ever notice how the government subsidies the raping of Americans (401k). Wake up people, see past the bullshit, we have been set up to fail and the elite know it. Peak oil has occured and we are already declining at 4% a year. Learn how to get along with conservatives, because the political atmosphere has become polarized for a reason, so we will attack and blame each other instead of getting rid of the elite that has brought us to peak oil with no sustainable infrastructure to adjust to a new life. Think I'm wrong, then look at what europe has done to get ready and look at aspo's websites about peak oil. Even if electric cars came out tomorrow, our roads and infrastructure are too oil intensive to support. Syops has already convinced us that planes took down WTC7 and that Iraq was a threat but we all know who the real enemy is......Peak oil and the elite who want us to support there resource war.

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It's not "rigging", It's manipulating
Posted by: dbursch on Jan 18, 2008 6:41 AM   
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a poorly informed and predictable electorate. What is most disappointing and damning is not that unscrupulous politicos try to steer elections there way but that we let them!

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We need an honest, transparent election (Iowa Primary lesson 1)
Posted by: kathaksung on Jan 18, 2008 7:03 PM   
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532. We need an honest, transparent election (Iowa Primary lesson 1) (1/13/07)

Obama wins Iowa - a state with 92% white population. Why a white state which generally considered conservative has elected a black candidate? It means American people are too resentful to the policy of current government. They hate Iraq war and the loss of civil right.

How can we have this result? Because Iowa Democratic Primary Caucus is an honest, transparent one. Residents gathered at the site on time to discuss their choices then raise their hands. The counting is present, direct and clear. Voters know the result right away. It makes an election hard to be rigged.

As we have seen the mainstream of public opinion is to change the status quo, then Ron Paul should have won the Iowa Republican Caucus too. He has more distinctive flag than Obama has. But he only got 10%. Why? He obviously lost to a corruptive vote system in Iowa Republican Primary - ballot counting.
The ballot was counted by election office. Then an officer would tell you the result. A number can be faked or altered easily. Voters can hardly verify it individually.

This is proved in New Hampshire Primary:

Quote, "Voter Fraud Against Paul Confirmed in Sutton, N.H
By admin | January 8, 2008
Sutton with 100% reporting reported 0 votes for paul but poster in Sutton posted:
My mom, aunt, and dad all voted for RP today in my hometown, My mom and aunt both work passing out ballots, and checking them off. I just looked at the politico map and it says their town has ZERO votes for Ron. Now i know that there isn’t corruption on voting in that little town, so where they reported it must be. What do I do, anyone know???

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=655#more-655

Greenville Vote Discrepancy SAME as Sutton
Moreover, when Sutton had been found out, they quickly added 31 votes, and cited ‘human error.’ What is their excuse for this source, now showing Greenville at 25 votes:

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IT IS NOT KUCINICH THEY HATE:
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 19, 2008 1:18 AM   
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it is us they hate. They are arrogating power to themselves.

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