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Why Aren't More Students Applying to Medical School?

By Maggie Mahar -- BAD, DON'T USE, The Health Care Blog. Posted January 15, 2008.


Here's one more way Canada's health care system outshines the United States'.

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Did you know that there are only two applicants for every place in U.S. medical schools?

In Canada, surprisingly, close to four students apply for each opening. The training in the two countries is very similar; indeed, the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) accredits medical schools in both countries. And, in the U.S., at the high-end, physicians can hope to earn far more than Canadian doctors.

Why then do so few Americans apply to medical school?

The answer is that we have priced a medical education well beyond the reach of most middle-class students. In 2004, tuition and fees at a public medical school averaged $16,153. Students who attended a private school paid $32,588 according to a 2005 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

The author, Dr. Gail Morrison, Vice Dean for Education at University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, tacks on $20,000 to $25,000 a year for living expenses, books and equipment to calculate that the total cost of four years of medical education comes to a heady $140,000 for public schools and $225,000 for private schools. I'd add that, in many American cities, students would be hard-pressed to cover rent, food, clothing, utilities and transportation for $20,000 a year -- let alone books and equipment.

This helps explain why 60 percent of all medical students come from the wealthiest one-fifth of all U.S. families. Another 20 percent come from families lucky enough to be on the fourth step of a five step ladder.

In Canada, by contrast, a medical education is much more affordable. In Quebec province, for example, students paid a piddling $2,943 in tuition last year -- though admittedly, this deal was available only to Quebecers. But elsewhere in Canada, tuition averaged just $12,728 -- about 25 percent less than Americans were paying to attend a public medical school back in 2004, and about 60 percent less than they laid out to attend a private school.

As a result Canadian students are much more open to becoming primary care physicians, even though they know that internists earn lower salaries than specialists. Granted, in Canada the government determines the ratio of residencies for primary care versus specialties, but students are willing to fill the spots. Canada is now close to its goal of having 50 percent of its physicians practicing primary care.

In the U.S., where the Association of Medical Colleges strongly supports free choice of specialty for students, only about one-third of medical school graduates become primary care physicians. This is understandable: the average U.S. student leaves med school with $130,000 in debt. Moreover, unlike law or business students who enter the workforce immediately after graduation and can begin to pay off their debt, the average medical school graduate spends an additional three to six years in postgraduate training programs while interest continues to pile up. Meanwhile, he is painfully aware of salary differentials: recent numbers show the average family doctor earning $146,000 while the typical invasive cardiologist brings home $400,000. And at the beginning of his career, a family doctor can expect to earn much less -- perhaps $100,000, before taxes.

Little wonder then, that the share of medical students pursuing careers in primary care has plummeted from 49 percent in 1997 to 37 percent in 2003; over the same span, the number gravitating toward careers in radiology, orthopedics, ophthalmology, and dermatology has sky-rocketed.

Yet we don't need more dermatologists. But we do need more primary care physicians. Decades of research done at Dartmouth University show that when Americans see more family doctors and fewer specialists, outcomes are better, in large part because patients receive more preventive care and ongoing management of chronic diseases before they become serious. (I have previously written about this issue for Dartmouth.)


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Maggie Mahar is a fellow at The Century Foundation and the author of Money-Driven Medicine: The Real Reason Health Care Costs So Much (Harper/Collins 2006).

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This is misleading: Canada's medical profession is still an elitists' game
Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 15, 2008 4:37 AM   
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While the figures look less, you have to consider the lower salaries in Canada. Relative to Canadian's wealth, medical school is still an expensive option and all but frozen out to anyone who isn't upper middle class minimum.

The reason for the higher number of applicants is because Canada is very loosey goosey with foreign students and new immigrants, who know that they can get in to fill ethnic minority quotas. All of Canada's medical schools select based on getting as many women and ethnic minorities as possible (thus getting the result of most medical students being women and minorities). Trust me, a smart, white guy from a middle class or lower economic background stands no chance of getting into a Canadian medical school these days.

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» BS's typical nonsense Posted by: Knowmad
» If he can fix me, yes Posted by: freedomlover
» This Comment is misleading Posted by: Jordonquits
» RE: This Comment is misleading Posted by: Jordonquits
» RE: This Comment is misleading Posted by: Jordonquits
Excellent article.
Posted by: mjabele on Jan 15, 2008 4:39 AM   
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Though I think it addresses only the financial aspects of why we have fewer primary care physicians than Canada (i.e., higher medical school debt burden, lower salaries than specialists).

There are other reasons. Simply put, being a primary care physician nowadays is increasingly frustrating. Short appointments, mounting paperwork, and expanding requirements for "pre-authorization" of medications, specialty referrals, and radiology procedures all contribute to creating an unpleasant, unsatisfying work environment. Most physicians I know work 50-60 hours per week, of which only about 30 hours is actual face-to-face encounters with patients. Scheduling is unrelenting, with patients often "double-booked" into 15-minute (or, in some practices, 10-minute) slots in order to maximize "productivity" and thereby bring in at least enough revenue to pay overhead expenses.

I'm doubtful that we'll be able to recruit more medical school graduates into primary care unless we do some things to make the primary care physician's work environment at least as attractive as the specialist's. Paperwork needs to be reduced or eliminated, and encounter time with patients needs to be lengthened to realistically encompass the number of problems that PCP's are expected to address. A primary care physician should not have to deal with three or four discrete medical issues in the same amount of time that a specialist is asked to deal with a single one.

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» HMO's & Co-pays = LOUSY MEDICINE Posted by: Prairie Waif
expense applies to ANY advanced degree
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Jan 15, 2008 6:33 AM   
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the amount of debt cited for an MD applies to any graduate degree. hell, just going to a PUBLIC college for a BA you're lucky to have less than $25,000 debt any more... i thought i was bad back in the day i had $12,000 debt. it's just to darn expensive.

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Med School
Posted by: makeadifference on Jan 15, 2008 6:45 AM   
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Spoke with a nephew over the holidays... he told me his friends in dental school are leaving with debt in excess of $300,000 whille another in neurology has college debt in excess of $200,000.

Another relative went to London, England for med school and has witnessed fellow students receiving government stipends to stay in med school. Their med school by the way is merit based. If you can 'cut-the-mustard' you get to stay in, otherwise you are kicked out. The citizens are delivered only the best students as doctors. In London, rich parents can't buy their children a MD.

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» RE: Med School Posted by: neuronerd
fewer applications, and fewer spots
Posted by: quinndiesel on Jan 15, 2008 7:17 AM   
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I was unaware of the fact that there are fewer applicants in recent years. When I applied to school, each school had approximately 2,000 applicants for 100-200 spots. Granting overlap of applications this is still far more than the 2 applicants per spot. Where our system is having issue, is that there are not enough spots in medical schools to fill the demand, not only of interested students, but to also fill the demand of much needed doctors. The shortage of primary care doctors is a prime example. The AMA has repeatedly implored US medical schools to matriculate more students.

I can attest to the staggering burden that a quarter million dollars in student debt brings. It scares the hell out of me. The average doctor graduates with approx $150,000 of school debt at the age of 26. The next 3-6 years are spent in residency, drawing a salary roughly equivalent to that of a public school teacher (not a knock on teachers, i used to be one). Then once residency is over the monthly repayment is between $1500-$2500. Let alone, a morgatge, daycare transportation, retirement planning etc. Heaven forbid a woman physician have a baby and need to go on maternity leave or part time for a couple of months. The entire system is broken, and is crying out to be fixed.

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a different question
Posted by: neuronerd on Jan 15, 2008 7:21 AM   
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Perhaps a more interesting question would be what percentage of undergraduates who started as premed end up applying to medical school? Is there a difference between the US and Canada? Maybe the less competitive candidates are weeded out before the application process--either by the course requirements, or by the MCAT or by the whole atmosphere, than in Canada. Is premed more competitive in the US than in Canada? Another question may be how many premed students switch to PA school, as this is usually seen as a way to be a practitioner, without the finanical and time commitment.

I don't exactly understand this article's point--if the problem is lack of primary care docs, how does having more applicants for the same number of spots change that? Would making US schools more competitive decrease the number of specialists?

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» RE: a different question Posted by: olderworker
» RE: a different question Posted by: maggiem
Just another aspect of the brain drain.
Posted by: doubter on Jan 15, 2008 11:59 AM   
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Under the Canadian constitution, health care and education are the responsibility of the provincial governments. It is somewhat simplistic to talk of a Canadian health care system. The Federal Government does offer financial assistance to the provinces, the poorer ones in particular, but recently health and education costs have been downloaded to provincial or municipal governments in order to allow the federal government to claim that it has balanced its books. Last week, I was reading in the newspaper about a doctor shortage in Ontario, partly caused by the brain drain to the US. American universities are more expensive than in Canada, and the US has relied on Canada for trained people in a variety of professions for years.

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High cost of Medical School
Posted by: donl51 on Jan 15, 2008 1:34 PM   
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in a Capitalist country is hardly a surprise! In Cuba which puts out some of the best doctors on the planet,the training is free,unfortunately the head of that Socialist society is a nutcase,but then we've a nutcase running our Capitalist society,trust me Capitalism is no friend to humankind,It does much for the very few and little to nothing for the rest,If people in this country weren't so damn brainwashed they'd realize those things most important to life all school should be #1 priority,and All med. school should be free,the student then gives up time to serve their country for a specified time as appreciation,then on w/their lives! Candidates for presidency should not be predicated on enormous amounts of worth either,theres something seriously wrong w/ all this and its going to kill us!

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» Who cares............... Posted by: gellero
» Motivated by Money Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
History is Repeating itself
Posted by: ritzjon on Jan 15, 2008 2:58 PM   
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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -- Albert Einstein

I want to start with this quotation in order to get everyone thinking outside the box.

Yes, healthcare in this country is in dire straights. Yes, there's a dearth of good doctors and medical students.

This lack of doctors is, in a way, an example of history repeating itself. A century and a half ago, in this same country, regular medicine was on "the outs" for many of the same reasons it is now: it doesn't work as well as the alternatives. (Read "Divided Legacy", by Coulter) People then, as now, are leaving regular medicine for methods of care that work. Period. The same goes for the doctors and students.

They're not leaving because of the costs. They're leaving because the costs OUTWEIGH the benefits. Why would a bright, talented individual be drawn by their hearts to dedicate their lives to a profession that's built upon the false promises of the "pharmaceutical revolution?" They most certainly would look elsewhere for self-actualization.

For the same money one can attend an accredited, four year, clinically based, internationally recognized Naturopathic Medical School and emerge with a toolbox full of healing modalities. Or, get a degree as an OMD (Oriental Medical Doctor) in many other fantastic schools. Doctors there learn to seek out the root cause of illness, to remove the causes of disease, restore the individual to health, and to nurture a sustainable lifestyle.

Lets talk about the costs of medicine, but this time, lets include the hidden costs: pollutants, overwork, food additives, etc. For the people of this country to regain their national health and wellbeing, we need to start taking into account ALL the determinants of health.

I propose that when we as a nation return to preventative care and holistic philosophy a few things will change:
1) Doctors will be satisfied in their professions.
2) Patients will make less visits to the doctor; more time per visit will be available because of the decreased load.
3) Costs will dramatically decrease. Dramatically.
4) Many "alternative" modalities will become mainstream.

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» Naturopathic Medicine Posted by: gellero
» RE: History is Repeating itself Posted by: Jordonquits
US Medical Schools Are Out Of Touch
Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 15, 2008 4:35 PM   
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Maggie-

I went to medical school in the late 1960s. I saw the seeds of self destruction of US medical schools even then. The emphasis on technology and excessive specialization was apparant even then. The lack of humanism was both apalling and painful to me.The excessive costs of medical education came later.

And of course the prospect of now working in a broken health care system to pay off your debt is not very appealing.

We need some deans of some of our better medical schools to get bold and re-invent US medical edication. But I fear these deans and institutions are hopelessly trapped.

Therefore I must conclude that nothing short of new model medical schools must arise to lead us out of the darkness.

I haven't figured out how this will happen.But I am convinced that it must!

Dr. Rick Lippin
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

PS- Maggie-Welcome to AlterNet!

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OK Dr. L.
Posted by: gellero on Jan 15, 2008 7:40 PM   
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Florida International University in Miami is starting a new medical school. Join the team and be an innovator, not a complainer.

It's right there for you if you want it.

Mitch Madique is the Pres.......call him. he'll be happy to talk to you.

Perhaps you can do something positive.

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» RE: OK Dr. L. Posted by: drricklippin
» Here it is Posted by: gellero
Most British doctors are depressed and 80 % want to leave the profession
Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 16, 2008 1:27 AM   
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It is a sad fact, but once you get through the abusive and costly training regime, most doctors find the actual job of being a doctor in a high-stress, really screwed up system depressing. After a few years they can only think about saving and investing as much money as possible so they can plot getting out of the career. It is why so many of them drink too much and self-medicate.

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The system is screwed
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Jan 16, 2008 10:09 AM   
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Lots of people want to become doctors.
The problem is accessibility.

In Canada its almost impossible to get into medical school. I know people with 99% averages who get denied. Its a very exclusive type running admissions. They do tend to give preference to women, however I doubt its a stated policy.

After 4 years of university most people are about $60k to $100k in debt, unless momma and poppa pay up. Then 4 years of massive costs, thats 8 years of education, and at least 1/4 million in debt.

It should be done like a trade, 4 years of medical school followed by a fixed number of hours working with a doctor as an apprentice.

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Is capitalism the best medicine for Health Care?
Posted by: Forrest on Jan 16, 2008 11:33 AM   
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Having taught first year medical and dental students at the University of Florida, it was alarming for me to hear some students talking about which medical specialty was the most lucrative while studying for their anatomy exams. And because most graduates were choosing specialties in urban areas (apparently for the money), there were programs trying to lure medical graduates into rural general practice.

Should we allow money? or compassion and commitment to motivate health care providers?

Certainly, compensation for years of hard work and dedication to one's profession is imperative, but as this article discusses, is this nation compromising health care because of money?

Is capitalism the best medicine for health care?

After all, to paraphrase Monty Python's The Life of Brian, "what has capitalism ever given us?"
besides the................

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» Irrelevant Point Posted by: gellero
Misleading
Posted by: daniel1982 on Jan 16, 2008 9:06 PM   
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In Ontario, the government pays universities to enforce an artificial cap on the number of available spots in medical schools. Consequently there is severe doctor shortage here in Ontario. Finding a family doctor can sometimes be incredibly aggravating (as my friend found out when he looked for weeks for one, for his pregnant girlfriend).

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Stop blaming the consequences of government intervention on capitalism
Posted by: freedomlover on Jan 17, 2008 3:54 PM   
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In pure capitalism, supply and demand find their own equilibrium based upon the free choices of consumers. Once enough people learn the potential costs of their decision-making, they will begin to take their health more seriously and adjust their lives in accordance.

All that government intervention ever does to any market, and health care is nothing but another market (unless you want to posit that some people OWE THEIR VERY LIVES IN SERVITUDE TO OTHERS--certainly not freedom), is to distort that market.

In the U.S., the history of the AMA is one of rent-seeking doctors banding together and using political pressure to get the government to restrict competition in their field so they could maintain their own prices artificially high. This has lead to the fact that demand outstrips supply, and it has also made the costs to which the article refers for education accordingly artificially high, as well. The market has been distorted.

Another piece of market distortion is the out-of-control tort situation in which doctors are being priced out of the profession by rising costs for malpractice insurance, mostly driven by lawyers who make fortunes by suing doctors for bad outcomes, regardless of fault or negligence. In many of these cases, the lawyers take upwards of 30% of whatever settlement or jury verdict their client has been awarded, leaving the client still unable to pay for already-received care or needed future care. This is not justice.

Another reason why general practicioners are underpaid is because many of their clients are not part of the free-market system, but are instead subsidized by one of many myriad government programs, and the government restricts what it will pay for medical service, regardless of quality. That is price control, another example of government intervention causing a distortion. Not too long ago, when someone other than Bush was President, laws were passed wherein any doctor who accepted patients using a government program were not allowed to refuse any such patients, meaning the doctor would be forced to spend more of his productive time with these patients to the exclusion of private-pay patients. Imagine if, in your field, you were forced to give all of your labor away at half its worth and to people who could not even afford to pay that amount, and had to wait for a bureaucracy to pay you instead? What happened is that many good practicioners stopped accepting government-program patients altogether and freed themselves to find their own natural customer base, and earn their business. And that also meant that those dependent on government programs found themselves with even less options for care. In trying to help people, government only hurts them further.

Only a government can use force to enact its many rules and regulations. A private doctor nor a private patient in need of that doctor's services can use force in their dealings. Stop blaming the predictable horrible results of government dictats on the free-enterprise system.

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» amen to that............. Posted by: Forrest