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Sensationalist Media Did Pentagon's Bidding in Fake Naval 'Provocation' with Iran

By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted January 14, 2008.


National security expert: This is the "most egregious case of sensationalist journalism" in the service of Pentagon and Bush administration.

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The United States has lodged a formal diplomatic protest against Iran for its "provocation" in the Strait of Hormuz on January 6. But new information reveals that the alleged Iranian threat to American naval vessels may have been blown out of proportion. Democracy Now! spoke with investigative historian Gareth Porter.

Democracy Now! co-host Juan Gonzalez: The United States has lodged a formal diplomatic protest against Iran for its "provocation" in the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday morning. But new information reveals that the alleged Iranian threat to American naval vessels in the Strait might have been blown out of proportion.

On Tuesday, the Pentagon released video of Iranian patrol boats approaching American warships and an audio recording of a direct threat in English. The accented voice says, "I am coming to you," and then adds, "You will explode after a few minutes."

Iranian voice: I am coming to you.
US naval officer: Inbound small craft, you're approaching a coalition warship operating in international waters. Your identity is not know. Your intentions are unclear. You're sailing into danger and may be subject to defensive measures. Request you establish communications now or alter your course immediately to remain clear. Request you alter course immediately to remain clear.
Iranian voice: You will explode after a few minutes.
US naval officer: "You will explode after a few minutes."

Gonzalez: That was an audio recording released by the Pentagon along with the video of the encounter between American warships and Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz.

But a Navy spokesperson told ABC News Thursday that the threat might not have come from the Iranian patrol boats, but from the shore or another ship passing by. The spokesperson added, "I guess we're not saying that it absolutely came from the boats, but we're not saying it absolutely didn't."

Iran has denied all allegations of a confrontation and released its own video of the encounter. This is an excerpt of the Iranian video broadcast on Thursday showing what seems to be a routine exchange between an Iranian Navy patrol boat and the American ship.
Iranian naval patrolman: Coalition warship 73, this is Iranian Navy patrol boat. Request side number [inaudible] operating in the area this time. Over.
US naval officer: This is coalition warship 73. I'm operating in international waters.

Amy Goodman: Gareth Porter is a historian and national security policy analyst. His latest article for IPS News analyzes how the official US version of the naval incident has begun to unravel. He joins us now from Washington, D.C. Can you talk about everything that happened from Sunday, what President Bush said, what the Pentagon was alleging, and now what we understand?

Gareth Porter:: Well, this alleged crisis or confrontation on the high seas is really much less than what met the eyes of the American public as it was reported by news media. And the story really began from leaks from the Pentagon. I mean, there were Pentagon officials apparently calling reporters and telling them that something had happened in the Strait of Hormuz, which represented a threat to American ships and that there was a near battle on the high seas. The way it was described to reporters, it was made to appear to be a major threat to the ships and a major threat of war. And that's the way it was covered by CNN, by CBS and other networks, as well as by print media.

Then I think the next major thing that happened was a briefing by the commander of the 5th fleet in Bahrain, the Vice Admiral Kevin Cosgriff, which is very interesting. If you look carefully at the transcript, which was not reported accurately by the media, or not reported at all practically, the commander -- or rather, Vice Admiral Cosgriff actually makes it clear that the ships were never in danger, that they never believed they were in danger, and that they were never close to firing on the Iranian boats. And this is the heart of what actually happened, which was never reported by the US media.

So I think that the major thing to really keep in mind about this is that it was blown up into a semi-crisis by the Pentagon and that the media followed along very supinely. And I must say this is perhaps the worst -- the most egregious case of sensationalist journalism in the service of the interests of the Pentagon, the Bush administration, that I have seen so far.

Gonzalez: And there have been some reports about the apparent splicing of audio onto the actual video that appear to be from two different sources. Could you talk about that?

Porter:: Well, that's right. I mean, we don't yet know exactly what the sequence of events was in this incident. We don't know exactly when the voices that we hear making what appear to be a threat to the American ships, where--when that occurred in the sequence of events in this incident. And it seems very possible that indeed the Pentagon did splice into the recording, the audio recording of the incident, the two bits of messages from a mysterious voice in a way that made it appear to occur in response to the initial communication from the US ship to the Iranian boats. And it seems very possible that, in fact, those voices came at some other point during this twenty-minute incident.

So this is something that really deserves to be scrutinized and, in fact, investigated by Congress, because of the significance, in the larger sense, of a potential major fabrication of evidence in order to make a political point by the Bush administration.

Goodman: What about the timing of this, on the eve of President Bush's visit to the Middle East?

Porter:: Well, of course, there's no doubt that the motivation for the Pentagon to blow this incident up was precisely the timing of President Bush leaving on a trip to the Middle East, in which one of his major purposes was to try to keep together a coalition of Arab states, which -- a very, very loose and shaky coalition to oppose Iran and to support, hopefully, according to the administration's policy, the US pressure on Iran through diplomatic and financial means, through the Security Council and through its allies in Europe. So this is definitely part of the reason, very clearly, that what was a very minor incident which did not threaten US ships, as far as we can tell from all the evidence so far, was turned into what was presented as a confrontation and a threat of war.

Gonzalez: I'd like to ask you, I was watching the Republican debate last night on Fox News and was astonished to see one of the moderators spend quite a bit of time on this topic, questioning every one of the candidates as to whether they believe the Navy commander on the scene did the right thing by not blowing the Iranian boats out of the water. Surprisingly, only Ron Paul, the maverick, even questioned some of the facts of the incident as reported. Your response to this suddenly becoming a topic for the presidential debates?

Porter:: Well, I think it's astonishing that you have this incident being regarded as a test of whether the United States is being belligerent enough, when the commanders of the ships themselves clearly did not regard this as a threat to the safety of their ships. This is the point, again, that the commander of the 5th fleet made very clearly. He was asked by reporters whether the commanders were close to firing on the Iranian ships, and he said, "No, that was not the case," that at no point were they about to fire on the ships and that they did not feel threatened by the Iranian boats. Bear in mind, what has not been reported by the media, that these are essentially small speedboats that are at most armed with machine guns, not with any weapons that were capable of harming those ships.

Goodman: This also comes right at the time that new documents have -- newly declassified documents have revealed that the Johnson administration faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident to escalate the war in Vietnam, to provide a pretext for increased bombing and increased troops there.

Porter:: Well, you know, this is an incident -- the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the policy shenanigans surrounding it are something that I wrote about in my book, Perils of Dominance, about the US involvement in the Vietnam conflict. And what actually happened regarding the Gulf of Tonkin was that the ships, because of anxiety on the part of the crew of these ships in the Gulf of Tonkin, they thought they were under fire originally. They sent back messages saying that.

But within a matter of a couple of hours, the commander of the flotilla had decided that they had been mistaken, and he passed that message on to the Pentagon, and the Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara was informed by early afternoon on the same day. And it is my interpretation, based on the evidence, that he failed -- he refused to inform President Johnson of that fact, and that's why Johnson went ahead with a decision to bomb North Vietnam, which had already been made at noontime.

Gonzalez: I'd like to ask you, going back to the incident also, one of the key contradictions now that have surfaced between the initial reports and certainly after the Iranian release of their own video is that initially the public was told that these were Revolutionary Guard boats, and now the Iranian government has said no, that they were actually boats of the Iranian Navy, and they clearly identified themselves as such.

Porter:: I do not know what the provenance of these Iranian boats was, whether it was IRGC or Iranian Navy. We do have pictures, photographs of the IRGC small speedboats that clearly resemble the boats that are depicted -- at least one of them -- depicted in the video. But from the evidence that we have right now, it's really impossible to say what -- whether these boats belonged to be on IRGC or not. It is the case, however, that the IRGC does have, apparently, the primary responsibility to patrol in this area of the gulf. I heard yesterday a former commander of the IRGC state very clearly that they do in fact have the primary responsibility to patrol in that area. So it's certainly the -- it's a possibility, a good possibility, that these were IRGC boats.

Goodman: Gareth, I want to thank you for being with us, investigative historian, writes for Inter Press Service. His latest book is called Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam.

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What a joke...
Posted by: cordas on Jan 14, 2008 2:43 AM   
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Why on earth would a supposed kamikazi boat warn a warship in the 1st place... and why would the crew of a little patrol boat make such a joke... they are likely to get shot just to be safe....

For an attack of this nature to have any chance of working they would have to supprise the warship!!!

The whole thing stinks of incompetence and desperation to find a stick to beat Iran with... Given Bush's statements yesterday it seems he is still desperate to goto war with Iran.

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» RE: What a joke... Posted by: sasquuatch55
Filipino Monkey?
Posted by: daxiong on Jan 14, 2008 3:26 AM   
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The threatening radio transmission heard at the end of a video showing harassing maneuvers by Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz may have come from a locally famous heckler known among ship drivers as the “Filipino Monkey.”

Look HERE

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VOCA, now!
Posted by: HeKnew on Jan 14, 2008 3:50 AM   
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To the last person on earth who isn't sure it was the CIA that radioed the American ship:

Don't forget to take your meds.

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logic alone
Posted by: robchapman on Jan 14, 2008 4:08 AM   
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Logic alone will inform a critical reader that the Bush Administration is trying to goad the public into war over the Gulf of Hormuz incident.

Since the War of 1812 right up to Vietnam the US government has been successful in using maritime incidents to push a reluctant people into dubious wars.

In the present episode, Iranian speedboats "attacked" a US Navy flotilla. The idea of small, lightly armed Iranian speedboats attacking American warships bristling with weaponry is on its face ludicrous.

The idiocy and sheer mendacity of the Bush Administration's claims are confirmed by the US Navy's reported response. No evasion tactics were reported. Not one shell was expended.

A group of Iranian boats motored by a heavily armed US naval convoy and dropped some boxes in the water.

It is worthwhile to protest this action. One certainly does not want to give the Iranians a chance to observe the Navy's protocols for evading and responding to an attack.

But the Bush Administration's response to the incident is excessive and in itself provocative.

The Bush Administration's response to the incident is newsworthy and should be reported accurately as should the facts of the incident itself.

In this manner the public can, like I have here, make their own conclusions on this matter.

It is clear from the interactive blogs on this matter that the Bush Administration's credibility on Iran is zero and that the public dis unwilling to accept the President's version of these events.

This is the result of an objective and detailed presentation of the facts of the incident and the President's overwrought response to it.

Ms. Goodman's assertions that the Media are complicit in the Bush Administration's misconduct by reporting are unfounded and are tantamount to censorship.

Ms. Goodman has done her readers a disservice in declaring that the media should report the news to elicit a foreordained response from the viewers, listeners and readers.

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» Gulf of Tonkin Posted by: Sparks56
"Ya don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Posted by: gazooks on Jan 14, 2008 4:18 AM   
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Seems that transparency is no longer an issue with this administration.

Brazen, blatant Bushit.

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It is prudent to be careful, but...
Posted by: lexicon on Jan 14, 2008 5:14 AM   
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While I would note that the USS Cole was whacked by a small craft not too very far from there, thus any prudent duty officer would be careful in his response to an approaching speedboat...

...I would also note that the Bush administration has shown itself to be remarkably clumsy with their forged materials...it will be relatively easy for the forensic audio and video guys to tear this one to shreds.

...and somehow, the MSM WILL fail to perform the followup reporting that this was a hoax, so the only lasting impression that the "little people" will carry into the future is that there was an attack in the Straits of H...


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» RE: Impeach...hell! Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» RE: I disagree with your assertions Posted by: carbon-based
EVEN THIS COMBAT VETERAN AIN'T BUYIN IT.................
Posted by: kc10ken on Jan 14, 2008 5:23 AM   
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Man...talk about brazen and blatent.

Does anyone remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident?

It's time for impeachment folks. GET THESE DRAFT DODGING WARMONGERING IMBECILES OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. you KNOW they're going to start a war with Iran...SO DO SOMETHING NOW !!!

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Who is planting what???
Posted by: openeye on Jan 14, 2008 6:00 AM   
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Two things: It might be pertinent to keep in mind that this administration appears to be utilizing the current election as a smokescreen for moving into Iran - and they don't seem to care even minimally about credibility any more!

Also, FYI it might be interesting to check out this article in Saturday's online NY Times:

Iran Encounter Grimly Echoes ’02 War Game

By THOM SHANKER
Published: January 12, 2008

WASHINGTON — There is a reason American military officers express grim concern over the tactics used by Iranian sailors last weekend: a classified, $250 million war game in which small, agile speedboats swarmed a naval convoy to inflict devastating damage on more powerful warships.
In the days since the encounter with five Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz, American officers have acknowledged that they have been studying anew the lessons from a startling simulation conducted in August 2002. In that war game, the Blue Team navy, representing the United States, lost 16 major warships — an aircraft carrier, cruisers and amphibious vessels — when they were sunk to the bottom of the Persian Gulf in an attack that included swarming tactics by enemy speedboats.
“The sheer numbers involved overloaded their ability, both mentally and electronically, to handle the attack,” said Lt. Gen. Paul K. Van Riper, a retired Marine Corps officer who served in the war game as commander of a Red Team force representing an unnamed Persian Gulf military. “The whole thing was over in 5, maybe 10 minutes...." (Read the rest of this stuff on line.)

Kinda makes me wonder who Thom Shankar is and who pays him....

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Trying to start another war
Posted by: Democritus on Jan 14, 2008 6:01 AM   
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When I saw photos of this Inranian speedboat, I said to myself, "Are they kidding? The mighty U.S. Navy afraid of a little, dinky craft like that?"

Then it became obvious that President Bush has not given up his plan to start a war with Iran, and that he and his minions will manufacture anything enabling them to do this. His recent blustering talk to the Arab nations about Iran's being a terrorist state just reinforces this view.

What Bush is trying to do is convince the American public of his lies in any way he can. But after being conned with the lies about "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, one would hope that the American public won't be taken in again by his phony rhetoric.

The only antidote to Bush's continuing to sing the same, worn-out, siren song of war is to impeach him and Cheney. That will shut them up. Come on, Madam Speaker, isn't it time to bring those impeachment articles to the floor of the House?

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who could possibly have taken this seriously?
Posted by: kelt65 on Jan 14, 2008 6:33 AM   
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Were these even military craft? They looked like racing boats. Iran actually has a navy, you know.

Not to mention it is utterly laughable that two little speed boats are some 'threat' to three huge warships armed to the teeth with missiles and cannons.

This whole affair was some sort of sick joke.

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Just the facts
Posted by: Knot_Rich on Jan 14, 2008 6:47 AM   
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I think Amy sums up her article very well herself throughout. "Apparent", "possible" "we don't know" on and on ad nauseaum. She's entitled to her feelings about Bush and the pentagon and whoever or whatever she wants, just like the rest of us, but perhaps she shouldn't be so ready to jump the gun. Not everything is some great pentagon or Bush conspiracy, it's not like we don't have prior examples of the media running off half cocked, shall we say embellishing some stories for the sake of generating more revenue, or even flat out making up stories, all on their own without pentagon control. I'm as distrustful of government as anyone, it's not like democrats aren't known for a bit of deceit themselves, but it's only right to at least wait for the facts to shake out before jumping to a conclusion and making accusations. Unfortunately so many now days are more than anxious to forego any type of reason and jump into the feeding frenzy as long as it agrees with any of their own preconceptions. It's a dangerous method of thinking because it carries over into other aspects of life besides politics. I've seen it often enough, particularly in young people, while serving on juries and as jury foreman. Base your judgements on the facts folks, each case or situation is unique. If you're incapable of seperating personal bias from facts, you're unfit to judge. There's an awful lot at stake, whether it's one life or many, to base conculsions on "we don't know". I bet you all hope if you ever have to come to trial that your jury is more fair that most of you are.

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ms
Posted by: shd1230 on Jan 14, 2008 7:03 AM   
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IT IS ALMOST LAUGHABLE IF IT WEREN'T SUCH A SICK SITUATION, THAT OUR GOVERNMENT THINKS WE ARE SO STUPID.

BUSH & CO. WANT TO LEAVE THE NEW DEMOCRAT ADMINISTRATION AS MUCH TROUBLE AS THEY CAN--STARTING ANOTHER WAR WOULD DO IT, RIGHT? ALSO IT WILL BE THE END OF THE USA--THE END, FOLKS.

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Dan Rather got fired
Posted by: PaulK on Jan 14, 2008 7:15 AM   
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Dan Rather got fooled by a guy's fake news story and forged document, and ran it on the air. That's why Rather got fired. It wasn't that Rather reported something that wasn't necessarily true -- Junior Bush may in fact have never shown up for duty in Alabama except to get his teeth fixed for free, and the Air Force may in fact have done a sweetheart deal for Congressman Bush Senior. It's just that Rather aired a forgery.

What should the networks do with a clearly forged audio exchange, with all the wrong background noise?

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» A bit of spinning Posted by: ark
Media Quiet On Tonkin -- A New War Looms
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 14, 2008 7:24 AM   
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In reference to the Gulf Of Tonkin Incident not really happening, I GoogleNews'ed "Tonkin NSA", and VERY few articles came up. There was something in the Christian Science Monitor, and UPI had a very short piece that referred back to the CSM piece. But nothing else came up in the mainstream press. And the CSM article says only that the intelligence on the incident was mistranslated, not that there was any intentional fakery.
You would think that the major excuse for a major escalation in the Vietnam war being faked or even just wrong would be an important enough story to be all over the mainstream press. But, no.

Fast forward to the Hormuz incident. I have read enough to make me believe that there might very well have been some intentional fakery here -- there has been at least a potentially tragic misunderstanding. And just recently the US has said that the number of attacks in Iraq which have been backed by Iran are way up.
Yes, I would say someone is trying to start a war here. Will anybody try to stop these mad-people in the administration before it is too late? Probably not.

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And to think
Posted by: donl51 on Jan 14, 2008 7:45 AM   
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Right at the head of all this sensationalistic journalism was none other than Faux cable news ,from the early show all the way through,and every day,FAUX even had ''what if'' scenarios,they even brought in authorities,'hell'' they even brought up their big guns OLIVER NORTH AND ''HORRADO!! no less !! and they proceeded to beat this to death,not once questioninhg if indeed it was correct!,that mistakes weren't happening! nope! no questions here,no ''we may have overstated the facts''man they so remind me of their lord and savior GW.his-self, FAUX news ;;unfair ,unbalansed,spinworthy,and pukeworthy!Where does Murdock find these people!do they really beleave the shit they report and do they sleep at night,and how did Toronto allow itself to be coerced to accept FAUX news along side CBB,

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Whose Gulf is it, anyway ?
Posted by: rafey on Jan 14, 2008 7:53 AM   
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We keep forgetting the most important item. It's THEIR Gulf ... not ours !

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» RE: Whose Gulf is it, anyway ? Posted by: SENILEBIKER
Who is harassing who: The fly or the elephant ? in the PERSIAN gulf?
Posted by: aamer923 on Jan 14, 2008 8:03 AM   
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and who is in whose geography? and why are these giant warships in the Persian gulf. Obviously OIL. OIL that is theirs not ours. and Who should complain?
And Can we have giant Iranian warships near New York? What would the media say?
Al Gore was right: we lost the ability to "reason"

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don't exaggerate
Posted by: ark on Jan 14, 2008 8:44 AM   
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It is The Bush Administration that is pushing this, not the military. It was Navy Intelligence that admitted they were unsure as to the source of the threat.

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Navy officials could not say for certain who made the threat because it came over an open radio frequency commonly used in maritime communications.

Nancy A. Youssef and Warren P. Strobel - McClatchy Newspapers, "3 Navy ships confronted by Iranian boats", Philadelphia Inquirer, January 8, 2008
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The available videos are inconclusive.

DoD's release, 4:21 in duration: Strait of Hormuz USS Hopper Footage
The 5 min Iranian Version of Gulf Incident on YouTube


Note that quite a bit of the DoD's footage is filmed off of the port side of the ships, but that all of the Iranian footage is taken at the starboard or aft sides of the Navy ships. When the Navy ships are passing close by the Iranian boat that was filming, their main guns fore guns were pointing straight ahead, and it is hard to tell because of the resolution, but it does not look as if the crew was at battle stations, since many sailors can be seen standing on the deck and watching. There probably were fixed automatic weapons manned and ready on the US Navy ships. There was definitely a Helicopter in the air, probably ready to fire on the Iranian patrol boats if the order came. In the Iranian video, when the Iranian sailor makes contact with the US Navy ship, the 3 US Navy ships are already far ahead of the Iranian patrol boats. Some of the DoD's footage clearly shows provocative maneuvering on the part of the Iranian patrol boats. Considering what happened to the USS Cole on October 12, 2000, a US Navy Captain would be a damn fool to not have guns manned and ready to blow a speedboat out of the water in this situation. Yet, they did not fire.

The US navy does not deserve blame here, but The Bush Administration assuredly does for exaggerating the threat.

Also:
Admiral Kevin Cosgriff's Pentagon press briefing January 7, 2008 (95mb file)
Plus a 2-part press briefing that just showed up on the DoD's DVIDs website, which I haven't viewed yet:
Video: Capt. Adler, Cmdr. James, Part 1
Video: Capt. Adler, Cmdr. James, Part 2

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hogwash
Posted by: ark on Jan 14, 2008 9:08 AM   
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"Vice Admiral Cosgriff actually makes it clear that the ships were never in danger, that they never believed they were in danger, and that they were never close to firing on the Iranian boats."

Admiral Cosgriff did not say this in his press briefing. What he said was that the US Navy ships were not in danger, because they were following procedures properly, and were prepared to engage the Iranian Patrol boats, if the situation escalated to the point where it became necessary. He also said that he was unsure exactly how close the US Navy ships came to firing, because he had not yet debriefed all of the Ships' COs, and was hesitant to detail SOP for the US Navy under these circumstances anyway. He clearly stated that the Iranian boats' behaviour was provocative and a very real potential threat, if the crew was not ready and able to take aggressive defensive measures.

See for yourself what Cosgriff said:
Admiral Kevin Cosgriff's Pentagon press briefing January 7, 2008 (95mb file)

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Official version of naval incident starts to unravel
Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 14, 2008 9:21 AM   
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Unfortunately this is NOT the worst case of sensationalist journalism. That was WMD reporting pre-invasion of Iraq. But there were some pretty great examples of sensationalist journalism... watch this FoxNews pundit go ballistic over the fact that that we didn't resort to violence.

27-year CIA veteran analyst Ray McGovern on "Gulf shenanigans: No laughing matter"

Official version of naval incident starts to unravel

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Consumer beware
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Jan 14, 2008 9:48 AM   
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Most intelligent consumers of news can now safely consider the mainstream news providers in the same category as the tabloid rags at the supermarket check-out.

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There is no international water in the Strait of Hormuz!
Posted by: Kiumars on Jan 14, 2008 10:08 AM   
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There is no international water in the Strait of Hormuz! The strait at its narrowest is 21 miles wide and shared between Iran and Oman (each having 12 miles of territorial water band). Ships moving through the Strait follow a Traffic Separation Scheme, which separates inbound from outbound traffic to reduce the risk of collision. The traffic lane is six miles wide, including two two-mile-wide traffic lanes, one inbound and one outbound, separated by a two-mile wide separation median. To traverse the Strait, ships pass through the territorial waters of Iran or Oman under the transit passage provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) which USA is a signatory too. Article 19 of UNCLOS, elaborating on the meaning of "innocent passage", states that "passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal state". And that means a prohibition on "any exercise or practice with weapons of any kind" and or "any act of harmful and serious pollution".
In other words, US warships transiting through Hormuz must, in effect, act as non-war ships, "temporarily depriving themselves of their armed might". And any "warning shots" fired by US ships at Iranian boats, inspecting the US ships under customary international laws, must be considered an infringement on Iran's rights.

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Does Anyone Remeber the Golf of Tonkin?
Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE on Jan 14, 2008 11:20 AM   
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Fake skirmish with a Vietcong gunboat and a U.S battleship, used as an excuse to go to war with North Vietnam??? Click on this link for a great speech given by Ben Bradlee in 1987 about it, http://www.tenc.net/archive/bradlee.htm. Here is a small sample from the end:

"In case the Vietnam years have blurred in your minds, or even disappeared from your screens, may I remind you that this so-called Battle of Tonkin Gulf was the sole basis of the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which was the entire justification for the United States' war against Vietnam. This non-event happened on August 4, 1964. President Johnson went on television that very night to ask the country to support a Congressional resolution. The resolution went to Congress the next day. Two days later it was approved unanimously by the House and 88-2 by the Senate."

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Want to make sure
Posted by: frankfortpost on Jan 14, 2008 11:47 AM   
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I have been a fan of alternet for a very long time.

However, I am supporting Ron Paul in 2008, and don't want to get banned for making "conservative talking points".

This is a forum for intelligent discussion, so I don't think it would be remiss of me to remind many of you that he is the only presidential candidate I have seen that has spoken out directly about this particular incident in question.

I enjoy liberals, but since I have switched sides, I just want to make sure I am still welcome to trade views with others here.

The Frankfort Post

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» Ron Paul carries a lot of Posted by: TruthBeTold
Strange Doin's
Posted by: DaBear on Jan 14, 2008 12:36 PM   
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Watch the vids, even the ones on Military Times (the DoD mouthpiece) shows much ado about nothing. One commentor pointed to the UN & treaty docs concerning "international waters" in the Strait of Hormuz.

Fact is, when you look at the sum total, neither Amy Goodman or Juan Gonzalez, nor the USN, nor the Iranians have done anything out of the ordinary nor have any of these parties done anything deceptive. This is all normal shite that happens every day between human beings who've "othered" each other into a tither. Reminds me of my friends in the USN back in the 70's and 80's who, in the days before unbiquitous video cameras, told about daily and frequent Soviet MIG flybys of the USS Nimitz' tower which conked out radios and comm gear (that my friends had to subsequently spend extra shifts fixing and recalibrating). It was no big deal, though it quite literally could have been, and USN pilots often did the same b.s. to the Soviets, so, WTF is going on here? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

The real problem and the only problem here is the U.S. MSM and the dipshit Emperor Chimp, an emotional infantile moron of the most extreme order, is so lusting for a fight (that he conveniently will never have to fight or pay for himself in ANY way, shape or form) that he'll use anything, a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g he can stretch into as provocation. This man is dangerous and must be put in a locked down facility and given psychiatric treatment until he's either labotomized or rendered inert and harmless to others. When he is, the world will be a much safer place and we can start cleaning up his mess.

Jeeboozus, watch the friggin' vids from both sides and you get enough of the story right there. Everything else by anyone else is juvenile bullshit deserving of a fatherly cuff upside the head followed by a "STFU" and "get a clue," with the exception of the Emperor who outta know better. For him, much much more stern rebuke is in order. That's the facts and reality.

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IRAN'S CAT AND MOUSE GAMES.
Posted by: geewhiz on Jan 14, 2008 2:23 PM   
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WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS A LITTLE MAN WAS RUNNING AROUND MANY COUNTRIES KNOWING IN ADVANCE THAT THEY HAVE THE RUSSIAN LEADERS IN THE PALM OF THEIR HAND, SHOULD WE, AMERICA CONTEST IRAN'S LITTLE MAN RUNNING AROUND THROWING INYOUINDOES OF NUECLEAR WHATEVER AT THE USA. I SUPPOSE ITS SUPPOSE TO MAKE US MAD AT THEM, BUT THEY DID'NT CARE SINCE ALL IRAN HAD TO DO WAS CALL THE RUSSIANS TO BACK THEM. SO (NO NAMES)FROM (ETC.) TOLD THEM HOW TO BUG US. GET YOUR SPEED BOATS OUT. NOW I'M TOLD IT WAS A HOAX. KEEP ON DREAMING. NEXT TIME THEY GET TO CLOSE OUT IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS. THEY MIGHT NOT BE SO LUCKY ON FILM. RUSSIA WONT CHALLENGE AMERICA, BECAUSE WE'RE AT PEACE AND RUSSIA DOES'NT KNOW MY NEW EXPERIMENT, ONCE PUT ON THE AMERICAN MILITARY FLEET. THE FLEET WOULD BE UNSINKABLE AND INPREGNABLE AND STILL FULLY OPERATIONABLE. NO DAMAGE AND HEAT RESISTANT. YES THATS WHY MY EXPERIMENT IS HIDDEN, BECAUSE OF ITS REPRICUSSIONS.

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It's Not A Game
Posted by: gradioc on Jan 14, 2008 3:57 PM   
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While I fully agree that this incident has been blown out of proportion in the US press, the discussion here clearly fails to understand the realities of men under arms in these waters. Many have noted that the USS Cole was attacked an almost sunk by just such a small boat. That is enough to make any captain twitchy. We must also reaize that this part of the world contains many pirates. Yes, there are real honest-to God, klll you and steal your ship pirates, many operating out of Somalia and under all sorts of false flags. It's not a place you let your guard down. It's also a big reason the US Navy has a presence there. And something I have not seen any one mention, probing an enemy force to figure out how close you can get before they react, and what that reaction is, is as old as warfare. So, blown out of proportion? Yes. Overreaction by the ship commanders? I really don't think so.

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Threat to World Peace
Posted by: newtype_alpha on Jan 14, 2008 5:50 PM   
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I think most Iranians reading Bush's rhetoric would have to conclude that Americans are fucking crazy.

On the one hand, we have a president who repeatedly claims that Iran is a threat to world peace and accuses them of "provocative acts," this for a country that has not once in half a century attacked another country without provocation.

On the other hand, we have a long history of the CIA installing and supporting brutal dictators in Iran and throughout the world. More specifically, we have Operation Nimble Archer in 1987 when the Navy blew up two Iranian oil platforms, then Praying Mantis in 1988 in which the U.S. Navy fought alongside Saddam Hussein in bombing the Iranian Navy, and later that same year, USS Vincennes, having crossed INTO Iranian territorial waters, shot down an airliner and then blamed it on the pilot.

Just in relation to Iran, there's a pattern of remarkably one-sided provocation and violence, to say nothing of U.S. actions around the world.

Frankly, there isn't much reason to suspect Iran of being particularly warlike or aggressive in any capacity that doesn't just as easily apply to, say, Saudi Arabia or Bahrain (since the former has provided far more support to the Iraqi Insurgency than Iran). There's plenty of reason to be suspicious of U.S. intentions, however, given our penchant to bomb people (Panama, Grenada, Kosovo, Iraq, Iran) who are in no way a threat to us or their neighbors.

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What drama
Posted by: famouspipeliner on Jan 14, 2008 6:56 PM   
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Looked like a staged event to me...crafted to coincide with the President's 'diplomatic mission'. The only thing missing was having the commander in chief standing bravely on the bridge to face off against his Iranian adversaries.

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Google "OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD" (for an MSM Primer)
Posted by: LookOut on Jan 14, 2008 7:38 PM   
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H.W. Bush said "Mockingbird" is no longer active (if you can take any Bush at his word, best of luck)...

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Page 2
Posted by: YogiBear on Jan 14, 2008 10:43 PM   
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I get the feeling few posters read through to page 2, in which the Ron Paul comment and Gulf of Tonkin incident are both cited.

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Keep watching the distractive fears spinners
Posted by: common intelligence on Jan 14, 2008 10:46 PM   
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There seems to be a full frontal assalt in the mainstream media as the FIxed elections come into the main event here in the center ring.
Even the primary election rhetoric is being presented as a shallow representation as a sports playoff review and, the football playoffs keep the sheeple spinning. The TV shows of the "new" season are all focused into "reselling to a presold audiance game plan.

The terminator, on Fox, Prison break, The rekindling of Iran/Iraq, Bush goes to the middle east and is the salesman for the MIlitary industrial complex. He just sold a hot High tech package to the Saudis to get"our" economy going. But also to keep the Saudis from switching from the dollar to the ero.

It's full damage control on the economy while the Candidates talk "Change".
What about "Loose Change"? Is everyone forgeting the 911 cover up?
DOesn't asnyone want the truth?

Man, the spinning is a full frontal attack. The fear, the distractions from impeachment proceedings. The congress is virtually inept right now. Mean while HomeLand security is pushing the National ID.

And the (concerned) people are being ignored. You're all just going to let Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, Rove and the whole band of pirates get off scot free? The courts just let Rummy of the hook again. How come ALternet didn't comment on that?

And No body is asking the candidates the tough questions as to "what are they going to do to repair Habeas Corpus, withdraw the Patriot act, Military commissions act, etc., etc, etc.

Kucinich is cut out fromdebates by the media and the people are just letting the monster run over them.

The gawd damn country is frigged up. How come screaming doesn't help. The country is friggin broke. what the hell else can happen.

This little Strait of Hormuz, event waqs a little media distraction for sure.

Just watch as the Bush head keeps setting up the playing table for the New administration to be come entangled in a no win spider web of unpresidented distraction while the fascists continue to tighten freedom to the few and martial law is staged when the election gets people dander up.

If people just slide the nation is a joke. The troops don't even know what the fightings all about except to keep from becoming a casualty before they can make it home. Of course once they get here there will be no jobs. SO maybe the new anti-biotic ammune Staph will kill off a lot of us. It's spread by just skin contact. Man, can you hear the fear that the media is spreading.

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And didn't George HW Bush...
Posted by: pig on Jan 15, 2008 12:23 AM   
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....personally decorate the captain of the USS Vincennes?

You remember! The guy who shot down an Iranian civilian airliner killing 291 passengers and crew and then helped the navy lie about his position, the aircraft's position and altitude posture and pretty much everything else.

The US has never ever paid for the aircraft or even acknowledged the International Court of Justice ruling against it. I believe they paid $10k a passenger in compensation. Usually they promise in public but never actually provide the cash.

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» RE: And didn't George HW Bush... Posted by: famouspipeliner
Next week: Iran threatens US tanks using men on bicycles!
Posted by: creaker on Jan 17, 2008 6:35 PM   
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It was unreal - like what were those little blue boats going to do to naval war ships, anyway? But the media just went on and on about the big scary threat :-)

Unreal is not the right word. Ridiculous is the word I was looking for.

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themanwithadog
Posted by: the man with a dog on Jan 18, 2008 4:37 PM   
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The Iranian (rubber) boats WERE a distinct threat to the mighty US navy.I shudder to think about the damage that could have been done if there had been a collision! The US navy would have had to send a bill to the Iranian government to cover the cost of repainting the scratch marks the (rubber) boats would have done.The aircraft carrier, two submarines plus other ancillary US naval vessels in the Persian Gulf had better look out as it is rumoured that the Iranians are being supplied with bows and arrows

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Help, mice attack cats
Posted by: kathaksung on Jan 18, 2008 6:16 PM   
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United Cats Kindom sent three cats across Pacific street to the Islam Mice Home and patrolled at the door of that house. Islam Mice House send 5 mice to detect who is at the door. Three big cats said 5 mice threatened them and sent out a signal of S.O.S. The King of United Cats Kindom accuse the mice country pose a big threat to the world.

How the president of United Cats Kindom had assure its tame sheep to believe that Islam mice Iraq was a threat to the cats kingdom and started a war, how he acts now for another war.

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