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Seven Steps to a Homeland Security Campus

By Michael Gould-Wartofsky, The Nation and TomDispatch.com. Posted January 11, 2008.


Free speech zones. Taser guns. Hidden cameras. Blackwater and other private security contractors... College campuses join the Homeland Security state.

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Consider the ultimate gift in a homeland security country: the iTaser, a weapon with its own MP3 player and earphones that can deliver a 50,000 volt electrical charge while you catch your favorite tunes. This new Taser, on display at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, will be available, reports Richard Wray of the British Guardian, in "red, pink and even leopard print designs." Anyone carrying the iTaser will be able to make what may be the first homeland-security fashion statement in any one of the 43 states where Tasers are legal. The company that makes the weapon, Taser International, has already sold 160,000 less-stylish versions to private individuals. According to founder and company CEO Rick Smith, "Personal protection can be both fashionable and functionable."

In November 2006, the Taser infamously broke into the news on campus when a student at the University of Florida, questioning Senator John Kerry harshly, was dragged off, Tased, and subdued by campus police. His plea, "Don't Tase me, Bro!," is now the stuff of bumper stickers, T-shirts, and cell phone ring tones. Thanks largely to him and the publicity the incident got, the New Oxford Dictionary made "Tase" one of its 2007 words of the year, the Yale Book of Quotations put it at the top of its yearly list of most memorable quotes, and the rest of us got a hint that something new might be happening in America's "ivory towers."

As Michael Gould-Wartofsky indicates below, that incident was just the tip of an enormous homeland-security presence on campus. Gould-Wartofsky's remarkable report -- a piece that the Nation Magazine and Tomdispatch.com are sharing -- offers real news about just how deeply the new homeland security state is settling into every aspect of our world. -- Tom Engelhardt, editor of TomDispatch

Repress U

How to Build a Homeland Security Campus in Seven Steps

By Michael Gould-Wartofsky

Free speech zones. Taser guns. Hidden cameras. Data mining. A new security curriculum. Private security contractors... Welcome to the new homeland security campus

From Harvard to UCLA, the ivory tower is fast becoming the latest watchtower in Fortress America. The terror warriors, having turned their attention to "violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism" -- as it was recently dubbed in a House of Representatives bill of the same name -- have set out to reconquer that traditional hotbed of radicalization, the university.

Building a homeland-security campus and bringing the university to heel is a seven-step mission:

1. Target dissidents: As the warfare state has triggered dissent, the campus has increasingly become a target gallery -- with student protesters in the crosshairs. The government's number one target? Peace and justice organizations.

From 2003 to 2007, an unknown number of them made it into the Pentagon's "Threat and Local Observation Notice" system (TALON), a secretive domestic spying program ostensibly designed to track direct "potential terrorist threats" to the Department of Defense itself. Last year, via Freedom of Information Act requests, the ACLU uncovered at least 186 specific TALON reports on "anti-military protests" in the U.S. -- some listed as "credible threats" -- from student groups at the University of California-Santa Cruz, State University of New York, Georgia State University, and New Mexico State University, among other campuses.

At more than a dozen universities and colleges, police officers now double as full-time FBI agents and, according to the Campus Law Enforcement Journal, serve on many of the nation's 100 Joint Terrorism Task Forces. These dual-purpose officer-agents have knocked on student activists' doors from North Carolina State to the University of Colorado and, in one case, interrogated an Iraqi-born professor at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst about his antiwar views.

FBI agents, or their campus stand-ins, don't have to do all the work themselves. Administrators often do it for them, setting up "free speech zones," which actually constrain speech, and punishing those who step outside them. Last year, protests were typically forced into "free assembly areas" at the University of Central Florida and Clemson University; while students at Hampton and Pace Universities faced expulsion for handing out antiwar flyers, aka "unauthorized materials."

2. Lock and load: Many campus police departments are morphing into heavily armed garrisons, equipped with a wide array of weaponry from Taser stun guns and pepper guns to shotguns and semiautomatic rifles. Lock-and-load policies that began in the 1990s under the rubric of "the war on crime" only escalated with the President's Global War on Terror. Each school shooting -- most recently the massacre at Virginia Tech -- just adds fuel to the armament flames.

Two-thirds of universities now arm their police, according to the Justice Department. Many of the guns being purchased were previously in the province of military units and SWAT teams. For instance, AR-15 rifles (similar to M-16s) are now in the arsenal of the University of Texas campus police. Last April, City University of New York bought dozens of semiautomatic handguns. Now, states like Nevada are even considering plans to allow university staff to pack heat in a "special reserve officer corps."


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Michael Gould-Wartofsky is a writer from New York City and a recent graduate of the new homeland security campus. He has written for the Nation Online, Z Magazine, Common Dreams, and the Harvard Crimson, where he was a columnist and editor, and his work has also appeared in Poets Against the War (Nation Books). He was a recipient of the New York Times James B. Reston Award for young journalists and Harvard's James Gordon Bennett Prize for his writing on collective memory. This piece is also appearing in the latest issue of the Nation Magazine.

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to borrow a phrase from the past...
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Jan 11, 2008 7:20 PM   
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this would be a good time to 'Just Say No'.

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» RE: to borrow a phrase from the past... Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» All you need are the "MAGIC WORDS." Posted by: Prairie Waif
We'd better say more than "NO"
Posted by: papananook on Jan 11, 2008 8:29 PM   
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Our country is being raped right under our noses. WTF? are we sittin' around for...Is Hillary or Obama gonna save the Constitution? I have serious doubts. About everything.

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» RE: We'd better say more than "NO" Posted by: Romantic Violence
hackbut
Posted by: hackbut on Jan 11, 2008 9:11 PM   
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This author is willing to trade the blood of victims for his perfervid ideas of civil liberty. As a matter of fact, there is no legal right to privacy in public places, so surveillance cameras are just fine since they save many people from the pain of crime, but when was the left ever concerned about the pain of ordinary people rather than than that of the highly educated leftie or of the limousine liberal.

Fashionable tasers are aimed at the female market which despearatly needs them given the horrendous crimes of, inter alia, rape and murder regularly committed by we beastial men -perhaps when reproductive science becomes more advanced we can limit the proportion of men to the proportion of roosters in the barnyard,thus almost eliminating the crime and war rate - now there's a progressive idea! Anyone who is against tasers for women is indirectly in favor of crime against women.

These are different times with a different enemy. Our Moslem enemy attempts to use our own institutions to destroy us, and has the help of readily avalailable modern technology to set off their bombs, including a possible nuclear bomb,and the author needs to get out of the past and taste the reality of the present dangerous world unless he is willing to make the immoral trade of his philosophical well being for the destruction and pain of his fellow Americans if our security measures fail.

This article is so wrong and misguided that pages could be written to refute its many misperceptions of today's world, but let me simply end by saying that the model of the kind of ordered liberty we need for the present is more like the kind of ordered liberty they have in Singapore and much less like the rather anarchical liberty disgorged in this article by this author.

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» You Are Way Off Base! Posted by: sofla100
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homeland security?
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Jan 11, 2008 9:46 PM   
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first, there will be plenty of corruption,and in the ensuing years revelations of just how bad the private sector fucked all of us and got away with the money(like now). Besides, homeland security couldn't find it's ass with both hands. and, there is more than small chance that at some point ,because of security lapses on the part of our new "gestapo" , somebody or group that wasn't even thought of,let alone been on the radar, will bribe(sound familiar?)some greedy little boot licking pony boy(somebody's nephew)and get their hands on one of these huge stocks of weapons. When the shooting starts,chickenhawks all run for cover. protection?,security?,good Idea? good luck

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When Do the Sheeple Wake Up?
Posted by: LookOut on Jan 12, 2008 12:40 AM   
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Maybe when police state goons come knocking at the door asking for "papers".

There is a sordid history and precedent here…

It's no surprise that Prescott Bush (GW's grandfather) was a complete Fascist involved in financing Hitler and in the attempted overthrow of FDR (with JP Morgan, the Duponts, Rothschild House and the Rockefellers) nixed by whistleblower patriot Smedley Butler.

Then there’s the illegal private bank monopoly “Federal Reserve” Corp created to extort and squeeze blood money out of rank and file Americans and effectively rule Washington and its MSM circus parrot.

Our current breed of corporate criminal Fascists have used a bogus 9/11 cover-up and its sham "war on terror" to gut the constitution and Bill of Rights under an Orwellian "Homeland Security" fraud built to stifle domestic dissent.

Then there's the inevitable economic meltdown cum planned demolition.

By the way, don’t look for help from the current crop of sellout stooge “electable” and CFR “globalist” candidates for president. Every one of them with the exceptions of Kucinich and eccentric Ron Paul are fully bought and paid for.

And it’s the sheeple that put us here as much as the ruling class that brainwashed them.

This looks to be a very, very long night.



“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate con man “Colonel” Edward M. House, founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and political fixer for the ruling class. House also handled President Wilson. 11/21/ l933)

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» RE: When Do the Sheeple Wake Up? Posted by: Romantic Violence
How to Counter a Homeland Security Campus in Seven Steps
Posted by: Richard House on Jan 12, 2008 12:42 AM   
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(lets continue with this silliness)Since civilized and constitutional methods will never work with these fascists:

Target campus administrators and campus police doubling as FBI (threaten, intimidate, beat, tase, their family members, and dog if they have one).

Lock and load: purchase tasers, ammo, heavy weaponry, create a People’s Global War on the Fascist Establishment. For each police brutality respond in kind with ten brutal actions against the police.

Develop a counter-surveillance network with surveillance jamming equipment (plus French resistance style methods to monitor police movements and administration plans)

Mine police and administration personnel records: employ computer hijackers to break into government and private data bases.

Track foreign-born police and FBI personnel to manipulate personnel records and get them arrested by their own kind.

Recruit double agents to accept fellowships and scholarships to spy for the People’s Global War on the Fascist Establishment.

Infiltrate all big corporations connected with Homeland Security to work within and bring down the system

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It Used To Be About Education- Not Anymore
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 12, 2008 1:25 AM   
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While nobody was paying attention, going to college has changed from an educational experience to a rite of passage. Costs over the last quarter century have escalated at probably double the inflation rate even as the costs of borrowing for students have exploded. The quality of instruction, the core curriculum and other standards have been lowered. For a BS or BA at many schools these days it's more about the money than about education.

Along with this shift has come a change in the attitude of administration. Chasing corporate money and cross-pollination with the big money has brought about an ever more conservative attitude toward student rights and conduct. That plus the general drift toward a police state in this country over the same time, and you get what we have going on at our Colleges and Universities.

Real learning takes place in an open-minded and tolerant environment and is a conversation- not a lecture from on high. It's about questioning pre-conceived notions and assumptions as well as disciplined study and research. This cannot take place on a campus that is intolerant of conjecture, protest, inquiry and diversity of thought.

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Crushing Dissent While Real Security Needs Are Totally Ignored
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 12, 2008 2:10 AM   
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So, this is the Bush war on terrorism? Going after college kids who disagree on the wars, disagree on Israel, disagree on free trade. Time to build the dossiers, read the mail, use your electronic spy apparatus. Meanwhile, as 95% of all cargo containers are never inspected (cost too much) entering the USA, virtually anybody could sneak in a semi-truck loaded with ammo. Meanwhile, because the chemical industry and the utilities lobbied against it (cost too much), security enhancements at major chemical and nuclear power plants were never required. You see what a joke the "war on terrorism" really is when you look at this. Bush is preoccupied with smoke and mirrors and trying to squash dissent. The hoped for aim is to intimidate. So college kids won't disagree with America's power, well-moneyed elite. But, all the while, what could really help, such as checking all cargo in containers and better security at chemical/nuke plants, is completly ignored. Talk about insanity. And, talk about not wanting homeland security to interfere with the bottom line of mega corporations, just the bottom line of what poor college kids opinions are.

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Haven't we seen something like this before?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 12, 2008 2:21 AM   
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What general trend is this? There area more and more corporations on campus with close ties to administrators in areas from 'homeland security' to student loans to computers and pharmaceuticals. This corporatization of the U.S. public university has been going on for some decades now, and has gained momentum as more and more companies realize they can get universities to do their R&D for them.

Doesn't sound too bad, so far, but where does this general trend lead to? What always happens when a dictator tries to take over? Where do they start? With the press and with the schools, generally:

"Apart from the policy of crushing the potential opponents of their regime, the Nazi Government took active steps to increase its power over the German population. In the field of education, everything was done to ensure that the youth of Germany was brought up in the atmosphere of National Socialism and accepted National Socialist teachings. As early as the 7th April, 1933, the law reorganising the Civil Service had made it possible for the Nazi Government to remove all " Subversive and unreliable teachers ", and this was followed by numerous other measures to make sure that the schools were staffed by teachers who could be trusted to teach their pupils the full meaning of National Socialist creed.

Apart from the influence of National Socialist teaching in the schools, the Hitler Youth Organisation was also relied upon by the Nazi Leaders for obtaining fanatical support from the younger generation. The defendant von Schirach, who had been Reich Youth Leader of the NSDAP since 1931, was appointed Youth Leader of the German Reich in June, 1933. Soon all the youth organisations had been either dissolved or absorbed by the Hitler Youth, with the exception of the Catholic Youth. The Hitler Youth was organised on strict military lines, and as early as 1933 the Wehrmacht was cooperating in providing pre-military training for the Reich Youth.

The Nazi Government endeavoured to unite the nation in support of their policies through the extensive use of propaganda. A number of agencies were set up whose duty was to control and influence the press, radio, films, publishing firms, etc., in Germany, and to supervise entertainment and cultural and artistic activities. All these agencies came under Goebbels' Ministry of the People's Enlightenment and Propaganda, which together with a corresponding organisation in the NSDAP and the Reich Chamber of Culture, was ultimately responsible for exercising this supervision. . .

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on behalf of my sociology students...
Posted by: ellie on Jan 12, 2008 5:53 AM   
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I would like to thank the author for this article that will make its way (somehow) into part of a university classroom lecture and dialog... oh boy!!!!

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"Silent in Gehenna" by Harlan Ellison
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 12, 2008 8:38 AM   
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The great sci fi writer Harlan Ellison once wrote a short story about a future where universities are armed security camps; with perimeter fences, guard towers, monitors and cameras everywhere, and a brig. And the only thing they train for is "either the corporations or the armed services". Where a law had been passed that nothing could be discussed in class "that could be construed as terrorist or treasonable" on pain of immediate arrest.

There is alot more in his story that is all-to-real today: the U.S. government using fear of "terrorists" to justify politcal repression and torture.

This story was written in 1972. Amazing that what was once fantasy has now become reality.

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Maybe it really is too late
Posted by: EdinIowa on Jan 12, 2008 8:43 AM   
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“Fascism in America won’t come with jackboots, book burnings, mass rallies, and fevered harangues, nor will it come with black helicopters or tanks on the street. It won’t come like a storm—but as a break in the weather, that sudden change of season you might feel when the wind shifts on an October evening: Everything is the same, but everything has changed. Something has gone, departed from the world, and a new reality will have taken its place. All the old forms will still be there: legislatures, elections, campaigns—plenty of bread and circuses. But “consent of the governed” will no longer apply; actual control of the state will have passed to a small and privileged group who rule for the benefit of their wealthy peers and corporate patrons.

To be sure, there will be factional conflicts among the elite, and a degree of debate will be permitted; but no one outside the privileged circle will be allowed to influence state policy. Dissidents will be marginalized—usually by “the people” themselves. Deprived of historical knowledge by a thoroughly impoverished educational system designed to produce complacent consumers, left ignorant of current events by a corporate media devoted solely to profit, many will internalize the force-fed values of the ruling elite, and act accordingly. There will be little need for overt methods of control.

The rulers will act in secret, for reasons of “national security,” and the people will not be permitted to know what goes on in their name. Actions once unthinkable will be accepted as routine: government by executive fiat, state murder of “enemies” selected by the leader, undeclared wars, torture, mass detentions without charge, the looting of the national treasury, the creation of huge new “security structures” targeted at the populace. In time, this will be seen as “normal,” as the chill of autumn feels normal when summer is gone. It will all seem normal.”

— November 10, 2001
Moscow Times (English Edition)

That was posted by someone else before me, so my thanks to him/her.

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Wow!
Posted by: ptoddchesser on Jan 12, 2008 9:01 AM   
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I can't believe it's coming to this.....wait,yes I can.
When I was in high school back in the 80's I was part of a group of people that were protesting the use of Hurlburt Field Air Force Base to train Contra rebels. There were several people taking photographs of the protesters. It was obvious that some of these people were not journalists.I was almost 17 at the time. A few weeks after the protest I received a letter in the mail informing me that my chances of ever serving in the military or working in the federal government could be greatly harmed(as if I would have ever wanted to work for the fed).I was also informed that my ability to vote later in life could be in jeopardy. I was also informed that my actions could threaten my father's military career.One of his officers spoke to him and in turn he told me that I needed to stop what I was doing.This was 1985. If the government felt threatened by the peaceful protests of a teenager then I can only imagine how paranoid they are now.

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» RE: Wow! Posted by: EinMD
Great article, but I would add a few more steps
Posted by: scheherezade on Jan 12, 2008 9:24 AM   
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8. Use the entertainment and news media to foster suspicion of and/or ridicule academia, teachers and professors, scholarly-research backed information, and all things rational.

9. Subsidize and, whenever possible, publicly encourage cretinous religious-based false dichotomies between scientifically-arrived at, evidence-based conclusions and faith-based ‘theories.’

10. Attack and defund the secondary school system to reduce the number of students who actually make it to college (eventually, reducing the number of universities) to maximize ruling class recruits – hopefully corralling ‘radicals’ in a manageable, easily monitorable pool.

Corollary to 10: Manipulate economic and public policy to ensure as few students as possible gravitate towards liberal arts or social science majors. Give big business a big fat sponsorship finger in scholarship processes, to help the College of Business Management turn out legions of corporate career climbers with as few critical/ethical thinking skills as possible.

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Public Spaces
Posted by: ProfessorW on Jan 12, 2008 10:51 AM   
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But we're not talking (entirely) about the right to privacy in public spaces. Some of the colleges and universities putting up cameras--including mine--are private universities.

Surely anyone who reads in Alternet on a regular basis understands the distinction between public and private and, further, sees that private companies having secret access to data about our lives without our permission is a problem. Especially when that access is granted--indeed mandated--by government contract.

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» RE: Public Spaces Posted by: StrayCat
How do you keep out terrorists if you hire the terrorists to guard the henhouse?
Posted by: ALANHESTER on Jan 12, 2008 10:52 AM   
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Blackwater has already proven itself to be a terrorist organization. Is that the necessary qualification to guard a University?

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And this is how our nation dies.
Posted by: EinMD on Jan 12, 2008 11:06 AM   
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Land of the Free* home of the Brave*


* Offer void where prohibited by law.

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Great Post! Now lets fight back!
Posted by: outsideagitator on Jan 12, 2008 12:18 PM   
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After having read all the comments here I still retain my original opinion that I had when I first read the post. GREAT JOB...lets have more of this.

Also, it would help if folks who know about organizations that are beginning to track and monitor this neo-fascist effort it would be great to post it somewheres.

Joseph

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» RE: Great Post! Now lets fight back! Posted by: scheherezade
Those who will not take the field
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jan 12, 2008 1:58 PM   
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Those who will not take the field,
and will not fight are forced to yield.
Leave the Wrong unmet, unfought,
and give up all that you have got.

Those who fight and will not yield,
who leave behind a bloody field,
may leave their bone and blood thereon,
but those who follow fear no Wrong.

Evil is a coward, friends
and fears what might well mean its end.
Learn that Evil’s simply known:
It swears and lies; it kills for gold.

All cost is borne but by the ones
who have the least – those send their sons
and daughters into needless Hell,
while safe, the wealthy still do well.

It will not fight in honest light,
nor from the front with it’s own might.
Best done with others’ children, tricked,
and say that all were fairly picked.

The rich all lead the way they fight:
From somewhere safe, and from behind
For them, all war’s the bottom line
It’s only sales and dollar signs

If you are still uncertain now,
then find the money, follow how
it makes it’s way to those who call
for war, but never fight, or fall.

The leaders never hear the cries
of dying soldiers, mother, child
They never see a drop of blood
Just ink in red, or black as mud

Fight not for words that stir the blood,
or wealth or “glory” – war has none.
Raise weapons but in Freedom’s name,
But know the truth or own the blame.

For those who will not take the field,
and will not fight are forced to yield.
Who leaves the Wrong unmet, unfought,
will lose forever all they’ve got.



Ian MacLeod
December 21st, 2006
Oregon Veteran

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Back in the USSR!
Posted by: Cathyc on Jan 12, 2008 3:22 PM   
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You don't know how lucky you are,
Back in the USSR! (John Lennon)

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There is no such thing as homeland security in reality. In fact,
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 12, 2008 4:53 PM   
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THERE IS NO FREEDOM OR SECURITY WHATSOEVER. BOTH ARE A JOKE ! Like everything else, "homeland security" is a MISNOMER.

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hackbut
Posted by: hackbut on Jan 12, 2008 5:04 PM   
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Well I certainly stirred up a nest of hornets. I too value civil liberties, but there has to be a balance betweem liberty and order or innocent people, often the weakest of us, suffer. There were a lot of decent comments to my post but too many of them were posted by the typical left wing loser who, since he or she cannot succeed in a free society, want a left wing controlled society where the government might make them a commissar with power over their intellecual and moral betters. BTW for those wh called me a nazi (I won't capitalize that name or the name of any other loathsome ideology), recall that the prospective followers of any totalitarian system are likely to be the losers in the kind of ordered, even with its many defects, society we have here in the U.S.. Some of you responders sound like more likely prospects for that or the other totalitarian ideology than I.

I will not try to respond to most of the comments, not having the time to refute everyone, but a few which were especially vicious and perhaps in violation of the rules of the site need some comment.

JustHisWords.com - call this Ivy League doctoral graduate a "simpleton" if you wish, but recall that this site prohibits personal attacks. In other words, follow the rules.

cwilsondrum - the site prohibits threats.

calfalcon suggests that I read The Gulag Archpelago. I have read it several times, perhaps before you were born, and regard Solzehnitsyn as a great man who exposed what happens when the left takes over society. And as to left vs. right, the ultimate argument is to count the bodies historically, and by this measure the left is the clear victor in its inhumanity to its fellow man.

As for the rest of you, if you want to read another book which will open your eyes, read Paul Johnson's "Intellectuals" which will awaken you to the distressing fact that the left loves people in the abstract but not so much in person, the ultimate proof being the tmillions of deaths and other miseries perpetrated by left wing command regimes which deprive ordinary people of the most basic elements of freedom.

Many of you who "replied" showed the above deficiency by completely ignoring my deep emmpathy with the females in our society who are victimized daily with both routine and horrendous violence.

Folks, I suggest that you would help yourselves by opening your minds and avoiding name callling and threats.

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» The United States Constitution Posted by: sofla100
» My, such a rude troll ! Posted by: PaulC
» RE: hackbut Posted by: Dyolfknip
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» RE: whackabut Posted by: JustHisWordsdotcom
bird-ma
Posted by: bird-ma on Jan 12, 2008 6:09 PM   
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Luckily for us, there are all kinds of "fighters." Some fight with words (Ghandi), some with weapons (Braveheart). All freedom fighters of all types are needed just now when our liberties are at risk in the name of fighting terrorism.

I keep coming back to: what are we fighting for? Our safety--physical safety? It seems to me that we must fight for our ideals, for our rule of law, for our liberties--for the right of each individual to pursue life, liberty and happiness in the way that is best for them--as long as they do no harm to anyone.

And I also keep coming back to the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Don't you think we should practice this as a nation? Not just as individuals? How would we feel if China (who owns our debt) decided our culture was getting way out of hand and that they knew what was best for us. So they called in the debt, but said they'd release us from debt if we allow them to put military bases in our country in strategic places--like in our oil-rich areas. And what if they started intervening in our politics and government? How would we feel? But that's exactly what we've been doing in many third-world countries, and even developed countries--often with disastrous results (read "Confessions of an Economic Hit-Man" and "Sorrows of Empire").

So, could we be safer if we "won" with words, rather than threats, sanctions, bribing, and occupying?

And how about if you men start making your brothers accountable? That might help us women, who are vulnerable to rape at your collective hands, to have security w/o tasers.

Just some thoughts.

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» RE: bird-ma Posted by: hackbut
hijacking free speech and curriculum...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Jan 12, 2008 7:00 PM   
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there is a policy at oklahoma state that professors cannot discuss topics "outside the scope of the class" - in theory this was supposed to keep professors from questioning the current administration, the war in iraq and 9/11...there was even a website where students were encouraged to report professors who "strayed"...i wish i could remember more about it...

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9/11 was allowed to happen to do just this.
Posted by: Snowpuppy on Jan 12, 2008 8:05 PM   
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Was it terror over US error?
Or was it need, fueled by greed?

Who was paid and who was made?
Yes, they knew but now we know,

The shadows tall and long they grow.

Unless we see, we will not be free -
Some want to end democracy.

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Bush/Military Officers/Cabinet Secretaries Violated the U.S. Constitution and are Guilty of Treason
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 12, 2008 8:36 PM   
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The U.S. Consitution already prohibits spying without a warrant, torture (cruel and unusual punishment) and imprisonment without due process. Trying to argue using your hired lawyers that the law applies only within the USA, or only to American Citizens, or some like argument, is just splitting hairs to justify treason. The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights made no such exception. And, that is why Bush should be impeached. The oath he swore has been violated. And, for those military officers and cabinet secreatires who swore an allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, but engaged in spying without a warrant, torture, arrest or extradition without due process, etc., you violated that oath and betrayed the U.S. Constitution, Such a violation consitutes treason as it undermines the U.S. Constituion and the fabric by which the Founding Fathers created the U.S.A. This is why the spying on Campus is so serious, it indicates that the bedrock foundation (the rule of law) by which the USA functions is being eroded. Finally, by spying without a warrant, you believe you will find some sympathies by which you can somehow predict if somebody is or will be a terrorist now or some-day. But, in doing so using widespread surveillance withou a warrant, you are already guilty of what you accuse terrorists to be, a form of treason.

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Another way universities become fascist
Posted by: mutualaid on Jan 12, 2008 11:12 PM   
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This legislation is pending now in the Senate. Obama SUPPORTS it; Clinton typically quiet; Edwards??? Kucinich opposed in the House.

more here:http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2007/12/93185.html

Patriotic, civil libertarian and/or freedom-loving students at these universities would likely join the nationwide network to oppose this legislation which would create Centers of Excellence to study the sources of "domestic terror and radicalization":

http://www.dhs.gov/xres/programs/editorial_0498.shtm

The universities listed in link above are part of the homeland security industrial complex that would benefit $$$ if this were passed.

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You're more likely to be killed by lightning than by terrorists
Posted by: thornwolf on Jan 13, 2008 2:31 AM   
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Yet somehow we are able to live with that threat without sacrificing liberty. You are almost 1,000 times more likely to be killed in an auto accident than by terrorists, yet no one seems worried about driving. So why should the average citizen even think about terrorists?

According to the US Dept of State, in 2005, a recent year, the total number of US private citizens killed worldwide by acts of terrorism was 56. (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/65498.pdf)

Fifty-six! Another 17 were injured and 11 others were kidnapped. 84 people affected altogether. Even lightning claimed more American victims than that. This puts the lie to government fear mongering about terrorists.

I'm sorry for those 84 people and their families, but life is inherently not without some risk. Is the loss of 56 lives worth the further expenditure of hundreds or thousands more of our own, not to mention the vast treasure expended on killing foreigners instead of providing for our own at home? And let's not forget the many thousands of civilians killed and maimed and otherwise deprived of liberty in those countries we turn to rubble out of anger (or is it greed for oil)?

Our government is telling us that because of a less than 1 in 5-million chance of becoming a victim of terrorism -- less than the chance of being killed by lightning -- we Americans are expected to surrender rights and liberties -- ostensibly to prevent some bad guys somewhere from depriving us of those very standards of liberal democracy that we are now expected to give up! What kind of perverted logic is that? I do not surrender!

And all the while we blithely ignore the fact that more than 1 in 7,000 of us will be killed in traffic this year. DUH!!!

When are we going to put a stop to the madness?

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» Machismo run amok! Posted by: PaulC
There Used to be Something Called Academic Freedom
Posted by: macdon1 on Jan 13, 2008 7:21 PM   
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In 1980 when I went to college in Massachusetts we actually could discuss anything in class without fear of being invaded by Homeland Security or reported. However, with the election of Ronald Reagan everything began to change. That was 28 years ago, the beginning of the end. People thought I was crazy when I said we were slipping into fascism. Now that it has become obvious, it is too late.

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Homeland "IN" Security?
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 14, 2008 10:26 AM   
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A very informative and thought-provoking article indeed here. It's no surprise that we're not stopping the erosing of our rights on college campuses. The Department of Homeland Security has come onto our campuses and does what it pleases, turning them into jails with cameras peering from every corner.
Is this what attending college has come to? There's no privacy anywhere. Critics say well, if you have nothing to hide, you don't have to worry about cameras on campus.
Sorry, I do. It makes us all feel insecure in insecure times.

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Wartofsky's Article has a Credibility Gap
Posted by: F_L_I_P_S_I_D_E on Jan 14, 2008 1:47 PM   
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I know Mike Gould-Wartofsky, and this article is histrionic at best. I have fully addressed the flaws of omission in this article here:

It Is What It Is: Harvard's Terrorist Training Centers

Specifically, the author does not tell you why he is a good candidate for listing under domestic extremists.

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hackbut
Posted by: hackbut on Jan 14, 2008 6:13 PM   
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Folks, I've enjoyed it but it's now time to move on.

My thanks to the rational posters, often female, and as to the programmed, including the last poster, I suggest that it is not a good idea to go through life spewing the trash that some left wing (or right wing) professor has packed into your brain when you were too young to defend yourself.

I am probably the only proletarian in this discussion, coming from a family of factory workers and having been one myself and a union member. This is why I despise left-wing elitists, many of which seek to prescribe for the working class without any experience of living in it. I have, and I know that these people don't want their hard earned money used to finance crack-pot leftists schemes and I am that kind of of conservative.

Sorry for going off topic, but since when is the topic sacrosanct, and for those who complain of my being on a leftie site, a little broadening of the dialogue is good.

For whatever it is worth, I depise the Bush administration in many ways, but expect to despise any Democratic administration for its different excesses.

And for those who have tried to shout me down, I recognize an old communist tactic when I see it and it doesn't work on practical intellectuals like me. You folks are s-o-o-o out of date. The worst of you like the last poster should seek treatment.

As for others of you, you should consider whether the left wing drivel stuffed into you by some tenured useless know-it-all when you were too young to defend yourself intellectually is going to be good for either you or the country versus some intelligent middle of the road approach. We both know the answer to that.

I wish you all well and in the future let's try to dialogue rather than abuse, but as they say in the schoolyard, stick and stones ... .
I especially thank the rational, and for some of the others they have my sympathy if this is how they're going to go through life. Such a distortion of reality!

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