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Experts Warn of Recession -- Duh, We're Living in One Already

By Barbara Ehrenreich, Barbaraehrenreich.com. Posted January 10, 2008.


Growth and productivity mean nothing when they are de-coupled from most people's lived experience: being squeezed.

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The soothsayers have slaughtered the ox and are examining the gloppy entrails for signs: Rising unemployment, a falling dollar, weak consumer spending, the credit crisis, a swooning stock market. Could there be something wrong here? Could we actually be approaching a, god forbid, recession?

To which the only sane response is: Who cares? According to a CNN poll, 57 percent of Americans thought we were already in a recession a month ago. Economists may complain that this is only because the public is ignorant of the technical -- or at least the newspapers' standard -- definition of a recession, which specifies that there must be at least two consecutive quarters of negative growth in the GDP. But most of the public employs the more colloquial definition of a recession, which is hard times. If hard times have already fallen on a majority of Americans, then "recession" doesn't seem to be a very useful term any more.

The economists' odd fixation on growth as a measure of economic well-being puts them in a parallel universe of their own. WorldMoneyWatch's website tells us that, for example, that "The GDP growth rate is the most important indicator of economic health. If GDP is growing, so will business, jobs and personal income." And the latest issue of US News and World Report advises, "The key... for America is to keep its economy growing as fast as possible without triggering inflation."

But hellooo, we've had brisk growth for the last few years, as the president always likes to remind us, only without those promised increases in personal income, at least not for the middle class. Growth, some of the economists are conceding in perplexity, has been "de-coupled" from mass prosperity.

Growth is not the only economic indicator that has let us down recently. In the last five years, America's briskly rising productivity has been the envy of much of the world. But at the same time, real wages have actually declined. It's not supposed to be this way, of course. Economists have long believed that some sort of occult process would intervene and adjust wages upward as people worked harder and more efficiently.

And what about the unemployment rate? The old liberal faith was that "full employment" would create a workers' paradise, with higher wages and enhanced bargaining power for the little guy and gal. But we've had nearly full employment, or at least an unemployment rate of under five percent, for years now, again, without the predicted gains. What the old liberals weren't counting on was a depressed minimum wage, impotent unions, and a witch's brew of management strategies to hold wages and salaries down.

Now if those great and solemn economic indicators -- growth, productivity and employment rates -- have become de-coupled from most people's lived experience, then there's something wrong with the economists, the economy, or both. The clue lies in the word "most." We have become so unequal as a nation that we increasingly occupy two different economies -- one for the rich and one for everyone else -- and the latter has been in a recession, if not a depression, for a long, long time. Not all economists can bring themselves to admit this.

I suspect that America's fabulous growth in productivity is another illustration of the disconnect between economic measures and human experience. It's been attributed to better education and technological advances, which would be nice to believe in. But a revealing 2001 study by McKinsey also credited America's productivity growth to "managerial innovations" and cited Wal-Mart as a model performer, meaning that we are also looking at fiendish schemes to extract more work for less pay. Yes, you can generate more output per apparent hour of work by falsifying time records, speeding up assembly lines, doubling workloads, and cutting back on breaks. Productivity may look good from the top, but at the middle and the bottom it can feel a lot like pain.

When employees are squeezed hard enough, then you have the possibility of a genuine recession as technically defined. People buy less, so growth declines, to the point where even the economic over-class has to sit up and take notice. This is happening in Japan, where a recent Wall Street Journal headline announces: "Growing Reliance on Temps Holds Back Japan's Rebound: Firms Increasingly Add Part-Time Workers; Spending Power Lags." The U.S., where consumer spending accounts for 70 percent of the economy compared to a little more than half in Japan, is even more vulnerable to a downturn in personal consumption.

What is this fixation on growth anyway? As a general rule of biological survival, any creature or entity that depends on perpetual growth is well worth avoiding, lest you be eaten alive. As Bill McKibben argues in his book Deep Economy, the "cult of growth" has led to global warming, ghastly levels of pollution, and diminishing resources. Tumors grow, at least until they kill their hosts; economies ought to be sustainable.

Apocalypse aside, the mantra of growth has deceived us for far too long. What it translates into is: Don't worry about the relative size of your slice, just concentrate on growing the pie! Now, with a recession threatening even more suffering for those who are already struggling, may be the perfect time to get out the pie-cutter again. Too bad that the one leading Democratic candidate who promises to do so now appears to be on the ropes.


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Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of thirteen books, including the New York Times bestseller Nickel and Dimed. A frequent contributor to the New York Times, Harpers, and the Progressive, she is a contributing writer to Time magazine. She lives in Florida.

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We Need a New Economic Model ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 10, 2008 2:16 AM   
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Of course Barbara is talking about our existing economy which, in the long term, will be obsolete. The question is what will replace it ...

What is growth? Currently growth is measured in money. The current model is based on goods and services but does not take into account external costs. External costs are those that are detrimental to the environment, society or the individual. Smoke from a factory causing asthma in children, mine runoff that pollutes biosystems and drinking water downstream or toxic materials from our refuse that we export to other countries.Society suffers crime, disease, mental illlness and other maladies very often caused by the neglect of resourses for personal well being or education . Growth has to be measured by the degree of benefit measured against the price of external costs for the environment and everything in it , including ourselves and those who folllow.

Japan proves to be an interesting case. Barbara and the Wall Street Journal get it wrong. Japan is in perpetual stagnation because the population is declining and its markets are being contested. Consumer capitalism needs more and more consumers and more and more markets to perpetuate itself or it withers and dies, as is Japan.

And therein lies the problem. Consumer Capitalism's dirty little secret is that unless it constantly expands it dies and that is antithetical to what we have discovered about the enviroment and the atmosphere, that they are finite, and that mining, forestry, manufacturing and refuse cannot be forever thrust upon them without dire consequences to the economy and the very survival of civilization itself.

We need an economy based on sustainability. Without it the human population will be 'right sized' through warfare, starvation, disease, pestulence or a combination thereof. It is only a matter of time and time is getting short. Which road do we take, ever more consumption or sustainability?

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» What is growth? Posted by: Ignatz deFyre
Stuck in The Same Rut Together
Posted by: skizum on Jan 10, 2008 2:50 AM   
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The way I figure, we've been in a steadily growing recession since 9/11. Not only an economic one, but one of spirit too. We've all reading the news, no need to go through the laundry list again.

It's the same story for most of us; we're caught up in our own personal cycles of debt and time crunch looking to find the moments of 'escape'. It's time to break that cycle, each and every one of us.

The best thing about having Bush as a president has been that his administration has messed things up so bad that now we have to take notice.

Well, I've got news for you... it's not enough to just take notice and a new president will mostly be busy cleaning up Bush's messes. We all need to stand up and have our voices be heard. We all need to take the broader responsibility to take ACTION and turn our country into what it has never really been; a real, fair and equitable democracy.

Not to pin it all on Bush because we have been consuming 25% of the worlds resources with only 5% of it's population for decades.

I'm not playing from the sidelines anymore because it's My America Too, damnit!

Once upon a time, I was a product designer, well entrenched in the system of consuming for the sake of consuming. I've learned that we need to find a way to live sustainably, more in balance with the rest of the world. That reality will be forced on us if we do not act on our own; time is running out. what are you going to do?

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Stats Lag The Real World
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 10, 2008 3:32 AM   
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Kind of like you will never see a bolt of lightening that kills you. Honest stats are a valuable tool, but the government has gotten into the habit of changing the way they are calculated for political effect that without the raw data, most government numbers are useless.

We are in a recession and have been for quite some time. We are also facing some very tough consumer inflation on non-durable goods as anyone who pays attention at the store can attest. Factor in high fuel prices, higher and more restrictive credit and a tough job market. It's ugly for the bottom 70-80%.

Dump sub-prime on top of that and you have the formula for Stagflation.

From the Wikipedia
"Stagflation, a portmanteau of the words stagnation and inflation, is a term in general use within modern macroeconomics used to describe a period of out-of-control price inflation combined with slow-to-no output growth, rising unemployment, and eventually recession."

Yep. The 1970's are coming back.

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If the US
Posted by: montims on Jan 10, 2008 4:30 AM   
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hadn't been leaking billions of dollars over the last few years, on its war-on-a-noun, the country would have more money to go around its citizens...

The average American worker is working primarily for the war machine.

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» RE: If the US Posted by: dover23
cisc
Posted by: cisc on Jan 10, 2008 4:52 AM   
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DUH! is right. When ever increasing profit is the end all and the be all, yes, bad things are going to happen. Business can be smart and be fair and honest, Workers can make an honest wage for honest work that builds a company strong at the foundation. Our medical system is a prime example of an industry where the primary purpose has been lost to sucking as much profit as can be taken at each an every step so that the people who actually deliver the service no longer find it economically viable. Sure those huge profits in those certain industries look pretty damn healthy, but when the overall economy is based on consumerism and the people who work longer and harder to build those profits cannot afford to consume, they are just scraping by something will have to give. Junior claimed to get a B plus in economics, truth was it was aother one of those "gentleman's C minuses". Someone just please explain to me why free marketers are always the ones that don't want a nanny state for the individual but don't mind allowing corporate interest to back the Hummers up to the treasury?

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The Bad Guys have a vested interest in never changing anything
Posted by: Farasien on Jan 10, 2008 5:35 AM   
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What I don't think most people who read AlterNet seem to realize is that the reason things are bad, the reason there are 2 economies (or really, 2 worlds as John Edwards liked to say... even though he is a part of the world most os us on here DON'T belong to) and nothing is ever done to change that is because the upper 1% of the USA massively benefits from it. The system is broken... anyone who hasn't chosen to be blind to it can see that, but like anything that is broken, be it health, an economic model or justice system, broken systems cause pain which in turn creates profit for those slimy enough to take advantage of it. Think of it in terms of a parasite... a leech benefits by causing manageable harm to its host. So long as it doesn't kill the host, its got a meal- and an easy one- for as long as it lives. The leeches of our society- government officials, megacorporations, mega 'charities', non-state elite groups, etc. have a vested interest in things being exactly how they are right now. To them, this IS utopia. Its hard to take people seriously when they say they are going to change the system through protests, voting some other new bastard into office or working within the system. Simply put, it will not work. As I've said in previous posts, people are too fat and comfortable, and most of all, subtly fearful to ever do what's really necessary for actual change to occur. For things to truly change, we have to start from scratch which means total rewrite of everything we believe and do as a society. Essentially, to cure the disease, we have to kill the patient and nobody is willing to do that. The bad news is, the patient is going to die in any event, the only question we have to face now is how painfully they do when they go.

Yes, we are in a recesion, and as a previous poster on this article commented, it started right about the time of our last false flag attack on 9/11. The other bad news will continue until we're ready- really ready as a society and species to do what must be done to make it in the future. I personally doubt we have the courage to do so, as our recent (and ancient, really) history so clearly teaches.

See you all at the bottom.

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an ecological principle
Posted by: Forrest on Jan 10, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Too many predators and not enough prey.

European feudalism was defeated (in part) by the Bubonic Plague because it killed too many peasants to sustain the extravagant lifestyle of the "rich and famous".

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You can't beleive the numbers!
Posted by: SteveO on Jan 10, 2008 6:11 AM   
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The federal government has been cooking the books (Enron style) on the statistics used to to determine whether we are in recession since the 70's.

The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is easily 5% below the real rate of price increase (www.shadowstats.com ). The job creation numbers are contaminated by the "birth death model" which increases the number using some arcane computer model ( flawed model blog).

As you say, we people on the streets know we are in recession, but the talking heads who have an interest in the status quo or live in a protected think tank world where they don't buy milk or gasoline don't have a clue.

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» RE: You can't beleive the numbers! Posted by: ReallyBearish
Beautiful - while we americans spend time watching TV
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 10, 2008 6:38 AM   
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rich Chinese, Arabs, and other foreigners are buying up assets in our country.

Perhaps a depression might wake us again for a second 'New Deal', but I doubt it very much this time around.

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thank you, Barbara!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 10, 2008 7:00 AM   
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Just want to say that spending 2 minutes reading your article is more informative than spending 24 hours listening to the economist talking heads on the MSM!

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» RE: thank you, Barbara! Posted by: jvb1235
Economists don't look at the economy
Posted by: Hans B on Jan 10, 2008 7:05 AM   
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"The economists' odd fixation on growth as a measure of economic well-being puts them in a parallel universe of their own. "

So true. And also for a reason the author doesn't mention: "growth" is measured in transactions, so a person who happily grows his own vegetables is keeping the measurable economy down, while a person who buys bottled water (or oxygen) because of pollution pushes it up.

I remember some years ago reading that Kerala was one of the poorest states in India. Having lived and traveled extensively in India, this didn't make any sense to me - until I realized that the "experts" weren't counting the things that made life so good in Kerala - things which were free (self-grown fruits and vegetables, for example) or kept artificially cheap by the (communist) state government.

Growth will be fantastic, and economists will be so happy, when clean air has to be paid for. In the meantime any government that wants to stimulate growth rapidly can (1) outlaw private vegetable gardens and all other forms of autonomous production, (2) discourage community work, (3) allow industry to poison the land and water, (4) ask Bin Laden to add 0.3% to economic growth as he did in 2001, and/or (5) do nothing about global warming and other threats.

The world will become a better place when journalists stop taking economists at their word and start looking at how people are really doing, as this journalist laudably does.

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Who oh who is the mystery candidate?
Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Jan 10, 2008 7:06 AM   
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I was with you all the way until your last line:
"Too bad that the one leading Democratic candidate who promises to do so now appears to be on the ropes."

If you mean Kucinich, then I understand. If you mean Edwards, then you lost me. I got over Edwards (who admittedly really seems to feel the pain of those of us in the working class) when he leaped on Clinton's emotional voice with a masculine reassurance that with him we'll get someone really strong. Give me a break.

From a fan, Barbara,
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Edwards is on the Ropes - Vote Edwards!!!!
Posted by: MeridaLady on Jan 10, 2008 7:31 AM   
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The article is right on and I'm sorry that referring to Edwards being on the ropes has lost some of you. Wake up!!!!

It is unbeleivable to me that many of you just don't get it. No one on your lists is going to get elected.

The Neocons and the main stream media are terrified of Edwards.

He is either being called paranoid or he is being totally ignored. Why do you think that is?????

If you don't vote for Edwards is the primary, to make your point, there will not be anyone worth voting for in November......AGAIN.......

Don't you want to get rid of the lobbyist/Corp control in Washington, End the War, Keep allowing women the right to choose, Get health care for everyone without continuing to cave to the Drug Neocons. Fix education, Immigration, etc. etc.

Try getting on the the Edwards.com site and actually reading it!!!

If we don't get it right this time, nothing will change, and yes, it can get even worse.

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Financial Morons Thanking the Wrong Bill
Posted by: Spyder on Jan 10, 2008 7:43 AM   
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I have been on the income inequality soapbox for decades, and Barbara is one my heroes, as is John Edwards. If you really think Bill Clinton did much of anything for the economy other than ram NAFTA and free trade down our throats, you are not a wise person. The development of Windows, the internet, and the personal computer revolution simply coincided with Bill's presidency. Yes, I know that Bill Gates is a bigger millionaire butthead than Bill Clinton, or even George Bush, with his avid support of work visas to further destroy the American job market for his own personal gain, but let's give credit where credit is due. He did far more for American pocketbooks in the '90's than did Bill Clinton. Go ahead. Make my day. Elect Hillary president. I am sure she will kiss all your financial boo-boos and make them better.

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What the athor fails to consider:
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jan 10, 2008 7:43 AM   
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The government's growth and unemployment statistice are pretty obviously falsified. The chronically unemployed are excluded from the unemployment statistics, and ridiculously low numbers for inflation are required to figure that the economy is growing. Technically, we are in a recession; the government is simply lying about how bad things are.

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Some Labor Facts:
Posted by: makeadifference on Jan 10, 2008 8:09 AM   
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My husband (with college degree in IT field) has been unemployed for 8 months (so no more unemployment... which means now he's off the unemployed list).... so we went to the US Dept. of Labor and Statistics to learn what real nubers they are using to calculate unemployment. When you facor the numbers as defined during the Clinton era the national jobless average is closer to 13-14%. The average in the "rust belt", Michigan, Ohio, etc. could be 21%. This did not mention the high number of the UNDERemployed.

Also, our local newspaper reported: Nationally: 60% of forclosures/bankruptcies are related to Job Loss, 18% related to illness and health care costs, and just 2% are related to sub-prime loans. In FL and CA the sub-prime rate is higher than 2%.

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» RE: Some Labor Facts: Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: Some Labor Facts: Posted by: monkeywrench
How is the middle class doing?
Posted by: Knot_Rich on Jan 10, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Although I agree with much of what has been said here, the economy has been sliding since 1999 as the artificial tech bubble burst and Clinton attempted to cushion rising oil prices by releasing oil from the national reserves, I don't necessarily agree prices are too high or we're in a recession. I work in a college town, folks should be smarter than average you'd think, at least they believe they are. I can go down the road right now and on one side of the sreet is a gas station at $2,89 the other side a station at $3.09, and the more expensive station will have cars lined up. Gas too expensive? I guarantee you I'll see 20 times more SUV's on the street than economy cars, and that's including students folks. Gas too expensive? A huge new Starbucks is going up. No money for groceries? Around the area, posh spa's for middle class women to get pampered and pedicured, resturants of every price catagory being built and always have waiting lines at lunch and dinner, palsma TV's flying out of the electronics stores as fast as they can stack the shelves. No money for the mortgage payment or groceries? Families with no or one child building 4000 sq. ft. McMansions instead of more reasonable 2600 sq. ft. homes. Kids walking aorund with $200.00 cell phones, $150.00 sneakers and playing with $350 video games. Middle class crunch? Perhaps it's not really a recession, perhaps it's more that we've reached a point where we have just lost our priorities about what is actually a necessity and what isn't. Maybe our economy just can't support any more growth in excessive self gratification and has reached a level of stabilization. Not being able to afford a latte every morning and a $50.00 dinner out 5 times a week doesn't constitute a recession. Not having a new Lexus every 2 years does not constitute a recession. Hey, if daddy can only afford to buy you college kids a Camry instead of a Durango, this still doesn't mean there's a recession. From what I see, years of excess and extravagance fueled by people falling for all the media marketing programming them to believe they must have this or that, financing it all with plastic money, is just catching up with them. They'll pay $10.00 a day for a cup of coffee and a pack of cigarettes, another $7.00 a day going out to lunch, but whine they can't afford health insurance. Now they've spoiled themselves and can't seperate need from want, can't face the idea that they should live within their means, so begin to whine the economy is going bad. Perhaps it's not so much of a recession as it is an economic correction. It's long over due.

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Evaluating the economy
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Jan 10, 2008 8:16 AM   
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It's amazing how many issues are obfuscated by the media and the "experts." For example, the promoters of free markets and privatization don't mention that it's taxpayers who foot the bill for having Halliburton and Blackwater take over the responsibilities that the army used to have.

The difference between the US army and private companies is that with the army we pay taxes to the government and the government used those taxes to create and sustain a government-run organization including administration and troops. With privatization, we pay taxes to the government, the government sets up giant multi-billion dollar contracts with private companies. Then our tax dollars are used to fund these "private" companies including huge CEO salaries and pay for "contractors" who make multiple times what real soldiers do.

It's not "free enterprise" or "private companies." It's government funded and supported big business. It works the same way with prisons and schools. But "free markets" sounds so great to some people, as if this is what America is all about. In the meantime, privatizing functions the government used to handle puts more money in the hands of the already wealthy and powerful as it takes it away from the average citizen. Just another reason why money that could be used for health care, senior citizen support, and other social needs goes toward war and the incarceration of the largest percentage of the population in the "civilized" world.

By the same token, the pundits act like the low unemployment rates are so wonderful without mentioning that it's not really possible to live on a minimum wage job. It's actually not very easy to live on two minimum wage jobs, especially when those jobs keep workers' total hours to less than 40 per week so they can't get benefits and rotate their time schedules from day to day so they can't have a second job.

Economists, politicians, and media pundits don't live in the real world. Or at least not in the real world of the majority of Americans.

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Heed Ron Paul's Message
Posted by: ronheri on Jan 10, 2008 8:43 AM   
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Dr. Ron Paul knows more about history and economics then the rest of the candidates combined. He has scolded the head of the Federal Reserve, (not Federal;no Reserves), in Congressional hearings. He has instructed Rudy Gutless in the Republican debates to read 3 books on foreign policy. Dr. Paul's message is one we all must heed; if we are to save our country.

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» RE: Heed Ron Paul's Message Posted by: Democritus
Duh?
Posted by: kirktc on Jan 10, 2008 9:01 AM   
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Trying to blame one party for the lost middle income earner is futile.
I was considered middle income wage earner in 1970's, 80's and 90's. Now I'm part of the two income brackets that's left in our society. After the 80's and 90's increase in wages and cost of living faze out.
Then the start of temp work agency's that company hiring made popular because they couldn't sustain the wage increases and new employees coming in with the currant benefits and wage levels of the mid 90's. Profits didn't match the greed of wages. We all fell in that hole together. Cost of living did not reflect well on anyone party or economic cycle.
That is the guilt we all need to share, because by the mid 90's, the youth coming into the work force at that time was about the same as a indentured servant that started this country and it's infrastructure. They were being hired through work force agencies.(like that fraise, work force) The discrepancies in the economy should have taken a more serious look then.
Instead the quick fix, of creating work agencies were invented, which took care of the current wage earners. But by allowing company's to reduce wages and benefits on the new hires their was repercussions that have continued to be ignored. Cost of living has continued to go up. But cost of living wage increase, has never been put back in fazed back in.
So now We are left with an imbalance in the 21 century. And that is being cut down to two levels in society. The Upper Level and the Lower Level. So are there any economist that want to touch this one with a quick fix proposal? I'm left in the lower level income bracket, so I would like one. But something that took thirty years to mess up, might take more than a quick fix without causing heavy tax hikes and the continued fear of Recession.
Recession has been a very real on going possibility since the mid 1990's. And we all know how well that works. Compromise by everyone would probably have a better chance to work.
But who can we trust to lead the negotiations, for both sides?
Our experienced Leaders in these fields have ignored it with federal intervention that have been the quick fixes, but with no substance.
We call this jerry rigging were I come from. But we plan down time to fix the problem, when it will not cause a bottleneck effect. Hmmm, could we teach our leaders a new language and a way to address problem solving, ya think?

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» RE: Duh? Posted by: Knot_Rich
Suspend the laws of physics and while at it suspend the laws of economics!
Posted by: johngary on Jan 10, 2008 9:26 AM   
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Perpetual motion violates the laws of physics. How is it that no one seems to notice that perpetual growth violates the laws of economics? It seem amazing to me that some how the pundits are telling the gullible that the laws of economics have been suspended and that due to a World Economy the cycle of boom and bust, boom and recesion no longer exists.
But maybe they are just pitching this BS while the rich unload their positions and go to gold.

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Economy reverting to normal
Posted by: billwald on Jan 10, 2008 10:04 AM   
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For the first 6000 years of human history until WW1 or so the economy consisted of maybe 80% slaves, poor, and dirt poor workers; 15% managers and skilled tradesmen; and 5% stinking rich. Conditions in the USofA have been abnormal since WW2, thanks to the G.I. Bill, The Marshall Plan, and Eisenhower's freeway system being constructed. The effects of the Big War have faded and we are reverting to normal.

Hardly anyone left in the USofA who remembers what "normal" is. The 40's generation of adults decided that, thanks to the building boom, their kids would have all the stuff and the security they they never had. My kids and grandkids have never lived through a real war and have never unintentionally missed a meal.

Second, right from the start, the American economy was based on exploiting someone, anyone. We began by stealing land and assets from the Indian People. Until the end of the 1800's, White Americans could always go west" to steal more stuff from the Indian People. This economy ended in the late 50's when the people in the Banana Republics started catching on.

Now days, thanks to the web and T V, most every person in India and China can see how we and they want their share. Like the integration problem and the school scores problem in the USofA, it is much easier to reduce the middle class than to raise the poverty class. Soon we will be one economic class, one racial class.

The Stinking Rich? They have gotten MUCH smarter. In the bad old days they rode around in limos and wore formal clothing. These they dress like anyone else, ride in the same marques of cars that the working people drive, and no one knows who are owners are unless they go on TV. On the TV, Bill Gates looks like he buys his clothes at Penny's.

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great follow-up read
Posted by: dp1228 on Jan 10, 2008 10:15 AM   
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"Shoveling Fuel for a Runaway Train: Errant Economists, Shameful Spenders, and a Plan to Stop them All" by Brian Czech is a great, accessible popular ecological economics book. It systematically and scientifically tears apart the myth of perpetual economic growth popularized by the media and mainstream econ classes.

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Those we worship will be our demise...
Posted by: Blue Heron on Jan 10, 2008 10:43 AM   
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I think it's a shame so many of us are now gaga over tech companies. I don't see this being mentioned anywhere in other posts, but they are experts in screwing their employees over (for lack of better words). Both Apple and Microsoft for example, still keep Permatemps. In other words, they can work the heck out of someone indefinitely, with no promise of benefits or stock. Microsoft has been sued over this, but is still continuing with these practices. I think we all have to stop being in awe over crooks. There are other examples aside from tech companies that could be mentioned. But I think this is the best in terms of the masses being in bed with and praising the enemy. I for one refuse to have the wool pulled over my eyes.

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start saving for the rainy day....
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 10, 2008 11:56 AM   
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start saving for the rainy day....

i'm going to find one thing i spend money on that is frivolous, stop buying it and save that money separately.

for example, a $3.00 per day latte is $120.00 per month or $1440.00 per year or $14400.00 in 10 years...

unnecessary spending sure ads up.

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Flash Poll - Where is the line between the "2 America's"?
Posted by: NthnBrazil on Jan 10, 2008 12:30 PM   
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What is the total pre-tax income for a family of 4 (either 1 or 2 income household) which is the amount above which that family is in the "Rich" America and below which in the "Poor" America?

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Economists' Stats can Lie too
Posted by: US Citizen on Jan 10, 2008 12:54 PM   
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Just as the neo-cons in the Bush administration are busily making up lies about Iran, the Bush administration economists are just as busily making up lies about the health of the United States economy.

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Great Article showing the difference between Mitt & Dad
Posted by: JSquercia on Jan 10, 2008 1:02 PM   
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There is a great Alternet article compating the relative wealth of Mitt Romney versus his Dad George Rommney .
It points out that while Mitt's Dad was well to do he was not nearly as Wealthy as his son
It pointed that today ratio of the top compared to the average is well over 800 times while in the 60's the ratio was 180 . It pointed out that in the 50's the top marginal Tax rate was 91% compared to today's 35% , Capital Gains taxes were substantially higher back then as well .
Today we have the sad spectacle of a successful effort by the wealthiest among us to
avoid paying a tax rate equivalent to that of the average worker . The managers of Hedge Funds have a a really SWEET deal that taxes their compensation as Capital Gains and the Senate just REFUSED to go along with the House in ending this loophole for people making MILLIONS .

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» While we're on the topic... Posted by: Trazom
Federal Reserve fiat money -vs- Lawful Money
Posted by: Chaos Inc. on Jan 10, 2008 2:40 PM   
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In 1964 "Pay To The Bearer On Demand" Treasury Notes were replaced with todays federal reserve fiat money ie. "Obligations Of The United States" or in other words the "Evidence Of Debt"

All that it takes to be an "Economic Expert" in this country is to never bring up the subject of the real money ie. gold & silver coin while you are explaining the mysteries of inflation and credit banking to the dumbed down American.

You need to learn is how to discharge "credit debt" the same way it was created out of nothing.

A Pennsylvania woman recently discharged a 1.3 million federal tax debt with her own privately created credit.

It is a matter of public record in USA vs Jessie M. Snyder, U.S. District Court W. Pa. at No. 2007-cv-0331.

e-mail kso8440@yahoo.com for details and documentation.

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» Federal Reserve Is A SCAM Posted by: sofla100
Who's on the ropes?
Posted by: Democritus on Jan 10, 2008 3:16 PM   
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So, Barbara, who is supposed to be our economic saviour who is "on the ropes"? Hillary is not on the ropes, because she won New Hampshire. Barack is not on the ropes, because he won Iowa. John Edwards might be on the ropes, but, if so, why won't Barbara mention him by name?

The only candidate who promises to: (1) get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, (2) provide a single-payer health plan for all of us, (3) get us out of NAFTA and CAFTA, and all the other imperialist money-making schemes, is Dennis Kucinich. But he is not even near the ropes, having been KO'd by being banned from expressing his positions in the debates.

Let's face it, progressives, the fix is in. The DNC and the mainstream media have ensured that those who aren't invested in the stock market are going to be screwed again. Is there any difference between Hillary and McCain? Only that the latter has has a shock of white-hair. Will Barack save us from the corporate leviathan? Not if he continues to rake in corporate cash.

Having been deprived in my vote in the primary by an arbitrary DNC decision, pardon me if I vote for Mickey Mouse in November. I urge other progressives to do the same. At least Mickey won't disappoint you.

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For the Top 1%, What Recession? - Federal Reserve to the Rescue Wall Street!
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 10, 2008 5:01 PM   
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Today, Bernake, USA Chairman of the Federal Reserve, announced the probability of interest rate cuts being increased. Wall Street responded quickly. America's top 1% sure knows how to make waves, by depressing the markets (and whining), so they and their investments can be taken care of and rescued by the government. And, it works. The top 1% that owns 1/3rd of America's wealth. Of course, they also control the economic and political landscapes of American society. So, while the poor get poorer, especially the bottom 50%, the rich 1% especially get even richer.

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jan 10, 2008 7:46 PM   
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The anticipated recession is the result of "crackpot economics" that have hijacked America. We need to look at Main Street, not Wall Street, as our indicator of what's wrong and right in the economy. Quite simply, to the plutocrats who never met a wage or tax cut they didn't like, this is what happens when you RIP OFF your customers (the average consumer with an average wage). I don't know how it is they expect consumers to keep buying when they make every effort to bankrupt them by encouraging them to buy unaffordable housing, for instance. No house of cards crackpot math loan is EVER going to make the indefensibly high cost of housing tenable for the middle and lower classes. But the plutocrats enjoyed driving the price of everything up with their huge advantages and tax cuts, and at the same time they were busy driving the purchasing power of the median wage consumer way down - by supressing wages, bilking customers with usury credit card rates, convincing them to buy into the wealthy McMansion lifestyle, and then there was the complicity of the media in stoking the mindless consumerism fires - the ridiculous "must have" mindset, no matter your real income.

At some point people just run out of money when they've been ripped off enough. End of story. Except there will be more pain for them and as always, no pain for the plutocrats.

Maybe if consumers finally took off the earbuds of their overpriced i-PODS that they mindlessly charged on their overextended credit cards, and took a look around them, they'd vote for a candidate who promises a sensible economic policy (one that includes them in the good times, not just hedge fund investors.)

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the REALIST
Posted by: cgandpg on Jan 11, 2008 12:51 AM   
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I have been patiently waiting five agonizingly slow years for the HOUSING IMPLOSION to finally occur, which has served as the pin-prick of the twin evil bubbles: HOUSING and CREDIT which is now leading us to the greatest GLOBAL DEPRESSION in 300 years of economic history. I have gladly leased knowing this day of reckoning was due. The Finance Economy was very good to those who knew how to manipulate the system; not so good for the two-earner family whose purchasing power never expanded from 1971. The last time the United States had a similar Finance Economy was during the 1920's, and look how that ended!

As a CONTRARIAN, I didn't buy into the HOUSING MANIA with its Bedroom ATM machine which delivered E-Z money to people hooked on buying things they didn't even need with money they never earned. The joke is that they believed this "free" Gravy-Train would continue forever, as in the "REAL ESTATE ONLY GOES UP" mantra! Selling homes to one another was the only engine that kept the consumerism going -- until they ran out of Greater Fools and the Ponzi House-of-Cards finally collapsed upon itself. I, personally, hope to buy something charming and modest @ ten cents on the dollar (from its greatest height) -- a strategy Sir John Templeton has advised during this mind-blowing mania -- if one happens to be debt-free and still liquid enough to pay in all CASH. It appears that only the CONTRARIANS sat out this dance. We happen to be Value Investors, not Momentum Players like the rest of the TRIBE who are programmed to BUY at the Top and SELL at the Bottom!

Once every hundred years or so, after memory of it dies off with the generations who have suffered through it, a DEPRESSION occurs. The telling sign is the enormous Gap between the HAVES and the HAVE-NOTS. That's the end-game, folks. The Fat Lady Has Already Sung Her Song! The excesses and radioactive toxic waste called ABCPs in the hundreds of trillions of leveraged monies which took the SHADOW BANKING SYSTEM over 30 years to build-up are now evaporating into thin air. The CREDIT INFLATION BUBBLE is finally, finally deflating. No more E-Z Bedroom ATM withdrawals. The collapse of DEBT is rapidly occurring through bankruptcies and liquidation of onerous liabilities. Unfortunately, Pension Funds, Insurance Companies, Money Market Funds, Insolvent Banks are going to go belly-up. There is already some talk about the Government nationalizing our banks because they are insolvent! The FED and global central bankers are IMPOTENT! Nobody is going to come and rescue us from our poor choices we made. The Day of Reckoning has arrived!

Charlie Munger, the long-time partner of WARREN BUFFETT said at an annual meeting in Omaha last year that we were all living through the strangest time in the history of the world. The only think comparable to it was the Biblical SODOM & GOMORRAH! (Now, isn't that the Truth?)

Our country will survive, with a diminished standard of living, for sure. Perhaps those unsold, foreclosed McMansions can be utilized to house the millions of people who will be without jobs or homes.

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» RE: the REALIST Posted by: makeadifference
Look To California....
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 11, 2008 12:35 PM   
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If anyone has heard Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's grim budget news this week, chances are we'll get the recession disease first, since the state's economy is the biggest in the union.
He has proposed a 10 percent across-the-board cut in social services (have we heard this whopper before, folks?) but to push a $14 billion expansion of health care insurance (some workers have had their fees increase this year, so don't get sick!) and the cutbacks will affect existing medical programs for the elderly and the poor. School districts will have to get by on even fewer dollars. Where did all that lottery money earmarked for the schools vanish to?
His goals have taken a serious setback and the cuts will be costly. He will not raise taxes. The effects of 1978's Proposition 13 have come back to haunt us. Many states use property taxes to pay for societal improvements, but in California, a bevy of wacky propositions called Props 94, 95, 96 and 97 are on February's ballot to pay for more police and firefighters, among other things and the money will come from casinos on Indian lands.
Lawmakers said the billions the state stands to collect from the Props windfall have told Schwarzenegger this will not solve its fiscal nightmare.
Already too many have defaulted on their mortgages and can't afford to live in a state of "Affluenza." The signs of an impending recession are entrenched in the Golden State. Now it's loosely called the I.O.U. State.
We have been hit by reality. Times are getting tougher here.
College fees will increase, and that will make it harder to educate future students. That will mean more students will go to a junior college and prolong the projected time to get a college degree.
And how will he continue to borrow more dollars to pay for a crumbling infrastructure? The U.S. government has said that the state's roads are among the worst in the nation. Will we see a bridge collapse as in Minneapolis last summer? Probably not.
The Democrats vowed to fight his proposals-but to the rest of the country, keep this idea in mind if you're planning to move here: In California, the people keep coming and the jobs keep going. California is not like it was forty to fifty years ago. But there is hope. Maybe things will get better someday.
Look elsewhere to find your dream. The writers are still on strike. But try to be optimistic anyway.
Otherwise this was a good article.

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» RE: Look To California.... Posted by: cgandpg
» RE: Look To California.... Posted by: macdon1
If Alternet Libertarians were true to their creed they'd condemn military spending as inflationary
Posted by: yellow on Jan 11, 2008 12:57 PM   
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But sadly they never do. The reason is that they're phoney, crackpot, right wing shills for Ron Paul and the fascists.

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Requiem for California
Posted by: macdon1 on Jan 12, 2008 7:55 PM   
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California is being trashed despite our reputation as a leader in saving the environment. So many of our beautiful rural rivers and streams have been polluted by chemicals from methamphetamine manufacture and our farmlands ravaged by tract home development. Home ownership is impossibly far out of reach for so many of us, as are home and apartment rentals.
Ironically, California's net increase in population is now due to the influx of economic immigrants and illegal aliens seeking the non-existent American Dream and instead finding crime and poverty in urban containment zones. It seems like we are heading towards a "Mad Max" scenario. What a shame that this beautiful state has been trashed and exploited when it could be the garden of America and feed the world. Will the last American to leave please bring the flag??

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THANK YOU, BARBARA, YOU ARE COMING AS
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 12, 2008 10:46 PM   
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close as anyone to getting it right. Few know their economic history. The American farmer was in a farm depression throughout the 1920s. As long as the city folks were in a boom nobody cared about the farmer. As long as the rich folks are in a boom nobody cares about the poor and the middle class.

Do you know why there are some rich democrats? Because they know if they destroy the working class, they will have to go to work. If I've got that wrong I will apologize.

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So, what is the "new system" of sustainable economics?
Posted by: jimidee on Jan 14, 2008 9:22 AM   
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A simple change in currency (gold, silver, energy, whatever...) will not solve the many problems of our consumerism-based system, and its plethora of negative externalites. In fact, keeping the same system of capitalism seems like a certain recipe for extinction.

What is the answer? Socialism sounds like it is the best alternative, as it takes the problematic issues of decision making by profit out of the equation. Seriously though, I might as well be trying to sell Communism (as in the theory, not the way it has been practiced) to most folks in this country. Just typing those words could result in my disap

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Barbara for President (Goddess maybe?)
Posted by: FedUpinNJ on Jan 19, 2008 1:25 PM   
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The only reason I can think that people are so stupid to put up with this economy is that they are also lazy. However, and here is where our educational system is to blame since most of the candidates slept through history class, sooner or later the people wake up. And the later it is the messier it is. Personally I am terrified that all the people who are being pushed down will soon reach the tipping point and that will not be a pretty picture. But I guess the French, Russian, Chinese, etc. Revolutions are outside the view of the current crop of plutocrats who are too interested in stuffing their pockets with money (does anyone need a billion dollar IRA) that they don't see the train headed toward them.

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