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Jonah Goldberg's 'Liberal Facism' Brings Historical Revisionism to Comical New Heights

By Brad Reed, AlterNet. Posted January 11, 2008.


The welfare-wingnut king has decided that fascism is a phenomenon of the left.
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About five years ago, I imagine that Ann Coulter, Dinesh D'Souza and Jonah Goldberg went out to a local bar and subsequently got into a drunken feud over who among them could write the most comically stupid right-wing attack book.

"I'm-a gonna write two books, one callin' libruls TRAITORS and the other one callin' 'em GODLESS," cackled a sauced Coulter while sipping down her gin and tonic.

"Pfffffft, anyone can call 'em godless traitors," said D'Souza. "I'm-a write a book that blames libruls fer 9/11"

Not one to be outdone, Goldberg pounded his Amstel Light on the table and rose to his feet.

"Tha's nothin'!" he shouted. "I'm-a write a book that calls all libruls FASCISTS!"

Coulter and D'Souza burst into laughter.

"Tha's shameless e'ev fer you!" said Coulter. "Yer own magazine used ta make a habit of praising Franco!"

"I can too write a book about librul fascism!" said an indignant Goldberg as he trudged off to the men's room. "I'll show you! I'll show you all!" And that, in my mind, is how Liberal Fascism was born.

For the uninitiated, Liberal Fascism is a new book by National Review editor Jonah Goldberg that contends that Hitler and Mussolini were committed left-wingers, and that today's liberals are fascism's natural intellectual heirs. While this may sound like yet another Coulteresque quickie aimed at prying some money out of Dittohead Nation, Goldberg insists that it is actually a Very Serious Work that "isn't like any Ann Coulter book" because it presents an argument that "has never been made in such detail or with such care. Goldberg also goes to great lengths from the start of the book to say that he's not really saying liberals are fascists, but hey, here are 400 pages of similarities between liberals and fascists, and if you start associating the two of them by the end of the book, then that's not his fault.

But despite Goldberg's protestations and caveats, "Liberal Fascism" is indeed a remarkably silly work that's jam-packed with the same sloppy logic and dodgy research that we've come to expect from today's conservative pundit class. On page 2, for instance, Goldberg admits that he doesn't really know how to define fascism and that "not even the professionals have figured out what exactly fascism is." But as anyone who's followed Goldberg's career can tell you, lacking knowledge on any given subject in no way impedes him from writing over 400 pages on it. Indeed, not providing a concrete definition of fascism is essential to his case, since it allows him to define fascism however he pleases. Goldberg puts this conceit to good use throughout the book, as everyone from the French revolutionaries to Teddy Roosevelt-era Progressives to the New Dealers to communists to the '60s New Left to Hillary Clinton is linked with fascism at one point or another. By the end of the book, Goldberg comes off as a lonely, belligerent drunk who shouts obscenities at people leaving his local 7-11.

"You're all fuh-fascists!" you can picture Goldberg hollering on a city street corner. "Every damn onea ya's a fuh-ffffffffascist!"

But what in the world do Hitler's Germany, Soviet Russia and America under the Roosevelts all have in common, you ask? For one thing, Goldberg contends that all of these regimes gained popular support by using sinister populist rhetoric that painted wealthy capitalists in a negative light. Through sheer ignorance or ideological blindness, Goldberg never explores why trashing wealthy plutocrats during the Gilded Age and the Great Depression had become both politically profitable and morally sound. Rather, he deems all populist rhetoric as a key piece of the anti-individualist "totalitarian political religion" that American liberalism shares with Communism and Fascism.

Later in the book, the connections between liberalism and fascism grow even flimsier. For instance, did you know that "Hitler claimed to be a dedicated vegetarian" and that he would "talk for hours about the advantages of a meatless diet and the imperative to eat whole grains?" Sounds a lot like that long-haired hippie uncle who drives that hybrid car to family reunions every year, no? And gee, did you realize that the Nazis had a vigorous animal protection program, just like what the vegefascists at PETA are advocating? Oh sure, Goldberg says, you could argue that "animal rights activism was a major concern of pre-Nazi Germany" and that "the animal rights movement shouldn't be associated with Nazi Germany." But that doesn't get animal rights activists off the hook, because their "conventionally leftist views were held by the Nazis," which suggests that "Nazism isn't as alien to mainstream progressive thought as some would have us believe." (To appreciate how absurd this comparison is, try applying it to a local store that has a "no shoes, no service" policy. As in, "Sure a lot of people wore shoes in pre-Nazi Germany, but the local store owner's insistence that his customers wear them shows that Nazism isn't as alien to his views as some would have us believe.")


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Right-wing pundits......
Posted by: tap17x on Jan 11, 2008 7:34 PM   
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...........deserve a place where they can punditize in peace and get a good audience. It would be the locked ward in the local insane asylum. Seriously, I heard D'Souza debate on the side of "conservative Christianity" a few weeks ago. His only interest was in winning the debate. He used every slimy misleading trick in the book. He impressed the moron Christians who came to hear him, but probably none of the other side. He's typical of the scum who push Xty and conservatism. Not to generalize, of course, but they're all assholes.

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Goldberg Variations
Posted by: wilty on Jan 11, 2008 7:41 PM   
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It is said that the human being has an astounding ability to adapt to his environment;
might it not also be true that he has the ability to create psychic environments as well?

Through intricate rationalization and self delusion, one can manufacture a reality of choice, and sell it to a dumbed-down audience, thanks mainly to an educational system, that has been dying on the vine, for the past 40 years.

It is no surprise, that the Goldbergs and Coulters, to name just a few, of the Conservative Force, can foster and spoon-feed such gobbledygook. After seeing how lazy the American mind has become, this is what exactly what is to be suspected.

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goldberg's idea not original and a load of crap to boot
Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous on Jan 11, 2008 8:10 PM   
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this idea isn't original to goldberg. i've seen this crap spouted before by internet righties. often their reasoning is as simplistic as "well nazi meant national socialist so they had to be left-wingers." we know who the nazis were and if the righties want to delude themselves, let them go ahead. its no coincidence that the side making the allegation has done more to advance the cause of big brother government and authoritarianism in the last 7 years than they ever dreamed of accusing us of doing -- wiretap at will. undermine habeas corpus, look at records without a warrant, no fly lists that make no sense, national identification cards. if democrats had done this stuff, the righties would have been screaming "godless communists" at us but you know iokiyaar --"its ok if you are a republican." and their candidates campaign like it either didn't happen or its normal. sheesh.

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When did we stop being dirty commies and become dirty fascists?
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jan 11, 2008 8:55 PM   
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I must have missed the meeting.

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Rife With Homosexuals...?
Posted by: Stupid Git on Jan 11, 2008 9:05 PM   
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"some homosexuals were sent to concentration camps," but it's also true that the early Nazi party was "rife with homosexuals."

Hmmm... A party who hates homosexuals and yet is filled to the brim with them? Call me nutty but that sounds an awful lot like the Republican Party if you ask me.

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» RE: ife With Homosexuals...? Posted by: johnclark
» RE: ife With Homosexuals...? Posted by: Astroboy
Nazis and Animals
Posted by: vasumurti on Jan 11, 2008 9:42 PM   
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Jonah Goldberg isn't the only one dismissing animal rights as a left-wing cause or equating animal rights with Nazism: Kathleen Marquardt, founder of Putting People First (an anti-animal rights group) does this in her 1993 book, Animal Scam: the Beastly Abuse of Human Rights.

"The real agenda of this movement," claims Marquardt, "is not to give rights to animals, but to take rights from people—to dictate our food, clothing, work, recreation, and whether we will discover new medications or die."

Identical assertions could have been made about the abolition of human slavery, the crusade to end child labor, the liberation of concentration camp prisoners from Nazi physicians or an end to the experimentation upon black humans by white humans.

Marquardt writes that the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) "now encourages vegetarianism, the banning of fur, and the eventual end to all animal research, not just ‘cruel’ animal research." Marquardt writes that the Humane Society now supports vegetarianism.

According to Marquardt, "The typical animal rights activist is a white woman making about $30,000 a year. She is most likely a schoolteacher, nurse, or government worker. She usually has a college degree or even an advanced degree, is in her thirties or forties, and lives in a city."

According to Marquardt, the "political clout" of the animal rights movement "is surprisingly bipartisan. But most of the leading politicians working with the animal rights movement are liberal Democrats." Marquardt mentions Senator Barbara Boxer of California, Nevada Congressman Jim Bilbray, Charlie Rose of North Carolina, Tom Lantos and Gerry Studds.

Marquardt admits, however, that "some Republicans are animal rightists, too. Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole of Kansas often supports animal rights causes—except, of course, those pertaining to cattle, a major business in Kansas. Senator Robert Smith of New Hampshire was a founder of the Congressional Friends of Animals. Bob Dornan of California, one of the most conservative House members, is an animal rights advocate—he cosponsored legislation banning the use of animals in testing cosmetics and received a PETA award. And Manhattan Congressman Bill Green promoted legislation that would have shut down over 90 million acres of federal land to hunting, fishing, and trapping."

Marquardt states further that "Although he’s not an elected official, a conservative political figure who, surprisingly, is on the other side is G. Gordon Liddy, author Will and a key figure in the 1972 Watergate uproar. When I went on Liddy’s radio show, he and PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk greeted each other with hugs and kisses and lots of warm words.

"With allies in both political parties and across the ideological spectrum," concludes Marquardt, "the animal rights movement has been able to score some great successes, regardless of which party controls the White House or Capitol Hill."

In a 1996 article, "Nazis and Animals: Debunking the Myths," Roberta Kalechofsky of Jews for Animal Rights states that Hitler "had a special fondness for sausages and caviar, and sometimes ham," as well as "liver dumplings." Kalechofsky states further that the Nazis experimented on animals as well as humans in the concentration camps:

"The evidence of Nazi experiments on animals is overwhelming. In The Dark Face of Science, author John Vyvyan summed it up correctly: ‘The experiments made on prisoners were many and diverse, but they had one thing in common: all were in continuation of, or complementary to, experiments on animals. In every instance, this antecedent scientific literature is mentioned in the evidence, and at Buchenwald and Auschwitz concentration camps, human and animal experiments were carried out simultaneously as parts of a single programme.’"

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» RE: Nazis and Animals Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H
Jonah's Whale of Lie
Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 11, 2008 11:12 PM   
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"While a lot of this stuff is easy to laugh off, some of Goldberg's historical revisionism is downright sickening. In one particularly grotesque passage, he tries to obfuscate the Nazis' treatment of homosexuals by calling their attitudes toward homosexuality 'a source of confusion.' Oh sure, he writes, 'some homosexuals were sent to concentration camps,' but it's also true that the early Nazi party was 'rife with homosexuals.' I'm sure the 100,000 men who were arrested for being homosexuals in Nazi Germany, as well as the thousands more who died in concentration camps, were proud to see their brethren so well-represented in the SS."

This theory, now thoroughly debunked, seems to have found a welcome place with ideologues of the Christian right, as witness the book by that arch homophobe (and admitted alcoholic and drug addict) Scott Lively of the Abiding Truth Ministries and defendthefamily.com, author of "Homosexuality and the Nazi Party."

The confusion is entirely on Goldberg's and Lively's part. It seems to derive, at least in part, from a confusion between the S.S. and S.A. As we know, Ernst Roehm headed the latter organization, perceived by Hitler to be a powerful competitor for control of the masses and a foe of his own upcoming S.S. It was for this reason that the Fuhrer had Roehm assassinated and staged a grand pogrom of the S.A. in the infamous "Night of the Long Knives" massacre.

Subsequently, many thousands of homosexuals were carted off to concentration camps and forced to wear a pink triangle. Homosexuality was thought unmanly and anti-Aryan and was thus prohibited by law. The Nazis, like many Christians, wanted citizens to "be fruitful and multiply," not be fruits. A sense of desperation has given rise to the Far Right Wingnut equivalent of the Blood Libel against the Jewish people: by comparing homosexuals to Nazis, an entire group of people is given a mark of Cain.

Don't you believe it!

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Any wonder?
Posted by: coñoloco on Jan 12, 2008 2:00 AM   
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3 things elate his audience;
Reading him,listen to Limbaugh and watching
wrestlers big asses.A librus 9 yr old
probably has deeper thoughts.

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Pusillanimous pug
Posted by: vox persona on Jan 12, 2008 2:35 AM   
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Goldberg and his ilk make me queasy, propagandist apparatchiks out there spreading their right wing garbage. They are the same ones defending this indefensible Iraq intervention/occupation/"war". Cowards who won't put their money where their mouth is, content to let other mothers' children die for the ever-shifting rationales and retroactive pretexts, spreading lies and demeaning everything this country supposedly stands for. He would have made a good SS officer, him and his mother, and everyone in his camp. They embody everything that is wrong in today's body politick. These guys have run the country into the ground these last seven years, and need to be driven back to whatever cesspool they emerged from. The only time I can stomach his like is when he is being skewered on Bill Maher's Real Time, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Anyone like him who supports our Iraq intervention needs to be fitted for fatigues and sent there for a couple of tours.

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» RE: Pusillanimous pug Posted by: Lauren
Duuhh...
Posted by: adp3d on Jan 12, 2008 2:47 AM   
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Right Wing Communists???

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Tucker & Jonah
Posted by: Sissy on Jan 12, 2008 6:29 AM   
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I caught the last few minutes of Jonah on Tucker Carlson, who regardless of his own "right leanings" seemed to find it extremely difficult to swallow Jonah's assertions in this nutty book. The pundit from the other side expressed many of the views posted here on AlterNet. Her main theme was that this "kind of dog ain't gonna hunt no more". She further reminded him of all the crap that has come from his side over these last 7+ years. Jonah's response was, "well, in the last chapter of my book I take a lot of issue with the Bush Administration"....Duh!

Isn't it great readers, to finally be beyond having to defend yourself or to keep silent if you have any beliefs that just might be left of center? I know, many of you will stand tall and say that you never cowered in the face of criticism, but sometimes it got discouraging when people actually believed that if we were Liberal there was no doubt that we were unChristian, immoral, unpatriotic, dishonest, did not support the troops and worst of all "baby killers".

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can I have the next place in line to...
Posted by: ellie on Jan 12, 2008 6:41 AM   
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bang my head against the wall????? what we have here is classical 'doublespeak'....sheesh!!!!!

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cisc
Posted by: cisc on Jan 12, 2008 7:07 AM   
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Jonah's Momma cut her teeth as an activist- being one of Richard Nixon's dirty tricks specialist (in other words, yet another Lee Atwater alumni ala Karl Rove). There are things that do not make our history books. Do you remember the that oh so squeeky clean TV show from the 60's "The FBI"? Quite the image J. Edgar Hoover loved to have of himself-as apposed to the self-loathing gay malignant sack of crap that he was. History does not record how much sympathy there was for the Nazi ideal in America before or during the war probably because the very first director of the CIA's very first task was to cover their asses-and those weren't left wing asses he covered, they were some of the most wealthy and prominent industrialist in America-including one Prescott Bush who had a bank taken from him for financing the German effort by FDR. Yes, Prescott Bush helped pay for the bullets shot at the one family member that didn't dodge the draft-of course, they didn't have to draft back then-even rich kids did their duty. Both Roosevelts are hated by the likes of poor Jonah because they created the great American middle class and brought facism in America to a screeching halt-facism is goverment owned by corporations and industrialist-if you will-a nanny state owned and run for and by the entitled elite for the benefit of all-the polar opposite of communism. Jonah would prefer not to see the ignorant masses chase him out of restraunt with torches and pitch forks like he was Shawn Hannity so he has to perpetuate this crap. As for the animal rights stuff-it is a known psychological fact that mistreating or abusing animals, particularly when young (children generally do not have that level of cruelty in them naturally), is a sign of a very disturbed individual. So yeah, Jonah, keep telling the minions we are going to stuff tofu down their throats-then go kick a puppy.

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I'm glad the author
Posted by: Thucy on Jan 12, 2008 7:49 AM   
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of this review has taken this nonsense on, and in such a reasoned and reasonable way. The whole "left is really far right, and far right is really middle of the road" thesis reminds me of something Robert Penn Warren wrote years ago:

"The lack of a sense of history is the damnation of the modern world."

Thanks again, Alternet!

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Y'all Still Don't Get It...
Posted by: madmac10 on Jan 12, 2008 8:40 AM   
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The whole right-wing revolution has been fueled by the media. There are organizations (i.e., publishing houses like Phillips, EEI, etc.) who pay magnanimously for media whores to spread this libel. As much as thirty years ago, these people were quietly assuming the helm in most media outlets, and they will pay top dollar to anyone willing to bloviate such rot.

Meanwhile, the left tries to make do, paying their people in good feelings. No wonder we lost the microphone! The left has to be willing to spend--heavily--in media. We cannot expect a few martyrs (Danny & Cliff Schecter, Robert Greenwald, and of course, Alternet) to bravely tilt against these paladins with mimeograph machines and coffee! We need to start paying the media players on the left at least as well as Fox and Friends pay. C'mon, guys... start coughing up. You'll be amazed at the results.

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Jonah's Primer for the Dim
Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Jan 12, 2008 9:44 AM   
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to find that there's a nitwit writing hypocritical dreck for the Greed Culture.

And now I'm shocked again to find that Jonah's little exercise in projection overlooked several irrefutable identities between liberals and fascists:
1. Both liberals and fascists have, on average, one nose and one mouth per customer, accompanied by pairs of eyes, ears, arms and legs.
2. Both liberals and fascists tend to use separate orifices for eating and excreting.
3. Both liberals and fascists generally avoid eating broken glass, razor blades, and concrete blocks.

See? Now we're getting somewhere.

Had I been Jonah's editor, I'd have advised him to place his fig-leaf fussing about the Bush Administration in the first 100 pages, not at the end: By the time his target audience has read 100 pages, their lips are too exhausted to go any further.

Clearly, as noted in the article, Jonah is a sterling representative of the vast right-wing gene pool, dragging his knuckles in train with Rush, Ann-Orexic, The Bills (Kristol and Buckley), Michelle Malkin, and a nit named McClanahan in our Kansas City Star. Scribblers of their ilk know their task: They must codify the Cons' ideological tunnel-vision, hypocrisy, and utter lack of balance into simplistic buzz phrases that can be passed on to the yearning legions of the dim.

Actually, what foams up from the Jonahs and Anns does have one useful purpose: It is the only reliable test I've found that can differentiate between a hard-right Con, a Centrist Dem, and a traditional Republican. Cons love this kind of junk, while Centrists giggle -- embarrassed, as always, to be "liberal", and old school Republicans (Kevin Phillips, John Dean, David Cay Johnston) shudder with disgust.

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» RE: Jonah's Primer for the Dim Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
Another Roadside Attraction
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jan 12, 2008 9:56 AM   
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That excellent novel had a character who named himself Marx Marvelous. He figured these two words would never fall to enrage a right winger.

(Apparently he was a government mole.)

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Sorry you had to read this crappy book
Posted by: johnclark on Jan 12, 2008 10:32 AM   
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You should send your copy on to Cobert; it might provide him with inspiration.

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The burning question:
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jan 12, 2008 10:56 AM   
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Ann C. had a gin & tonic...
Jonah had an Amstel Light...
What was Dinesh drinking???

$50 says Zinfandel!

plur

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» RE: The burning question: Posted by: Joshua Holland
Hitler was so left-wing...
Posted by: Luther Blissett on Jan 12, 2008 11:30 AM   
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Hitler was so left-wing that he sent members of the Communist Party, as well as members of socialist and social-democratic parties to Dachau.

I can't believe (well, actually I can) that this guy wrote a book based on the premise that "if Hitler promoted it, its obviously evil." Hitler's favorite composer was Beethoven, his favorite piece of music was the 9th symphony. Obviously, if you listen to Beethoven you're a Nazi. He also banned trade unions, something I'm sure lots of Republicans would love to do.

Look at me, I've been sucked into playing "nuh uh, you're more like Hitler!"

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All 1-Star Reviews Censored @ Amazon
Posted by: EggyDrudge on Jan 12, 2008 2:37 PM   
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Anyone notice that a few days ago there were quite a few 1-star reviews of the book at Amazon. Then suddenly they were all erased and now Amazon shows almost all 5-star reviews. What a joke.

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American conservatives supported Hitler
Posted by: drcyflowers on Jan 12, 2008 5:11 PM   
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And what about the fact that the American right-wingers generally supported Hitler after he came to power, until the day we went to war against Germany?

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Hard to believe anyone actually read his book...
Posted by: herdless on Jan 12, 2008 6:12 PM   
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I've always been baffled as to how Goldberg has gotten where he is. I know who his Moms is, but does she have that much juice? His writing is crap at best, and I've yet to see him make a lucid point on any topic. He is the worst sort of partisan hack and I would think even rabid neocons would be embarrassed by his utter lack of talent.

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Most americans will fall for the propaganda in this book
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jan 13, 2008 12:25 AM   
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that is the reality of today's america.

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Is this book a preemptive strike against growing awareness of fascism in our government?
Posted by: boblecht on Jan 13, 2008 5:49 AM   
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The right is becoming defensive as the evidence of flagrant fascism in our government becomes more visible to citizens, in spite of the propaganda and media-spin designed to conceal it. The best defense against the charge of right wing fascism is the offensive strategy to blame the left for the dynamic and hope it will confuse enough people long enough to mute the impact of the reality that our democracy has become a fascist state.

Fascism is simple to define; the author merely seeks to confuse the reader by claiming it is nebulous. CISC (above) got it right--

GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE CORPORATIONS AND FOR THE CORPORATIONS IS NOT DEMOCRACY. IT IS FASCISM.

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Republican Intellectual
Posted by: chicano2nd on Jan 13, 2008 6:33 AM   
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isn't that an oxymoron?

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Hmmm...
Posted by: Scientz on Jan 13, 2008 6:42 AM   
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"On page 2, for instance, Goldberg admits that he doesn't really know how to define fascism and that "not even the professionals have figured out what exactly fascism is." But as anyone who's followed Goldberg's career can tell you, lacking knowledge on any given subject in no way impedes him from writing over 400 pages on it. Indeed, not providing a concrete definition of fascism is essential to his case, since it allows him to define fascism however he pleases."

Robert O. Paxton's seminal work, "The Anatomy of Fascism" makes the same preliminary argument that even the "experts" cannot define fascism. That being said, its an interesting exercise to use this acknowledged fact to attempt a completely revisionist angle.

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Jonah Goldberg is an idiot of high magnitude BUT....
Posted by: pig on Jan 13, 2008 11:57 AM   
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.....American "liberals" have always been great enablers of fascist movements overseas and greta enablers and coconspirators with monopoly capital at home.

Bill Clinton is a neoliberal after all which is effectively corporatavism on a global scale. Tony Blair rephrased illegal military invasions as "liberal interventions" whilst constructing a fascist police surveillance state in the UK. The "liberal" Israeli Labor Party has always been the greater killer of Palestinians and greater land thieves than the right wing Likudniks.

So, while Jonah Goldberg is truly a monumental waste of carbon, the Americans who like to call themselves liberals (and now wish to rebrand as "progressives") perhaps should be putting a bit more thought into what they truly believe and the results of their ideological bent.

The third world has no sympathy with you at all. They see the results, they lose from your policies and they die from your unthinking.

Oink!

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PSYCHOPATHS IN CONTROL
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 13, 2008 12:26 PM   
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THESE PEOPLE ALWAYS ACCUSE OTHERS OF DOING OR BEING EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE CRIMINALS

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Hypocrisy...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Jan 14, 2008 6:47 AM   
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Read any murder mystery and you see this pattern. The murderer always tries to point the finger at someone else, tries to make someone else look like they are the guilty party.
We find that the congressman that decries homosexuality the loudest is actually a self-hating closeted homosexual. The radio host that bloviates the most about illegal drug use is actually addicted to prescription painkillers. The presidential candidate that screams about government waste actually increases the national debt more than anyone before him, once elected. The pattern goes on and on. It is a cornerstone of their ideological foundation.

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» RE: Hypocrisy -> Projection Posted by: lessbread
Class Act
Posted by: ClassAct on Jan 14, 2008 12:28 PM   
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Mussolini’s definition of fascism should be the one applicable: that fascism should be called corporatism. In fact, in England in the 1920s the proper English word of “corporatism” was the word used to discuss Mussolini’s political regime. The use of the term “fascism” confuses a symbol with the philosophy precisely for the purpose of evasion. We do not, after all, call Hitler’s version “swastikism.” Paxton’s book, like so many others, seems to be an exerise in claiming why the F-word does not apply to Republicans, despite their involvement with the Third Reich until the day the US entered the war. (Paxton avoids considering Franco’s Spain as a defining case of the F-word.) Goldberg’s book stems from the ideas of the John Birch Society, the unacknowledged father of today’s GOP. The John Birch Society bears the same relationship to the GOP that Al Qaeda bears to the Taliban – and for the same reason: terrorism. American bombs halted fascism abroad, but whose bombs will halt American fascism?

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THESE GUYS ARE PAID HANSOMELY FOR THIS
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 14, 2008 11:42 PM   
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crap. Read "Blinded by the Right". It's an eyeopener. You will either believe it or disbelieve it. This is professionally produced propaganda. It is no different than that used by the Soviets, Hitler's Nazis, or Mussolini's Nazis. As a boy one of the first words I learned was "dirtyyellowjap". We had our propaganda, too. How do you learn to become immune to garbage? We call it education. Beyond a certain point it is called self education. Remember when your teachers said that their job was to get you up to the point where you could start teaching yourself. Now you know what they meant. You are there.

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Yes, but...
Posted by: Parcival01 on Jan 15, 2008 4:17 PM   
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We are right to laugh off this nonsense. But look at Amazon.com. There are scores of "readers" who claim Goldberger's logic is impeccable. Then, when someone criticizes the book as nonsense, others comment that it's just a bunch of emotional diatribes.

Get onto Amazon.com and give the book's positive reviewers the negative feedback they deserve!

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