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Jane Smiley: Bill Kristol in the NY Times Means I'm Done With the Paper

By Jane Smiley, Huffington Post. Posted January 5, 2008.


There's no excuse for adding a war-monger with blood on his hands to the NYT's op-ed page.

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Next week, I am really going to miss The New York Times. For years now, I have spent at least part of every morning reading the Times, and I love its variety. In addition, I have had a long and enjoyable writer's relationship with the Times. I've written for the magazine, the Travel Section, the Book Review, and the Op-Ed page (once I wrote in favor of divorce, and they received a gratifying hail of shocked, shocked shocked! letters in response). On the day I heard the first rumor about my Pulitzer Prize, I was working with one of the Book Review editors. In a state of disbelief, I asked her if she had heard anything. She said "No, but here at the New York Times, we have a saying that eighty percent of rumors are true." I liked that. It agreed with my experience as a gossip. Just a couple of months ago, I wrote a sidebar for the magazine. The piece was fun, the editor was fun, and they embedded me in an article about Daniel Day-Lewis. Who could ask for more?



Given my attachment to the Times over the years, I have to say that I even forgave them for Judith Miller, difficult as that was. But after the advent of Bill Kristol on the editorial page next week, that's it for the Times and me.



I cannot imagine why the Times has hired Kristol. Kristol is not merely some rightwing loose cannon like David Brooks or even William Safire, and his hiring by the Times is not a free-speech issue. Kristol has plenty of opportunities to speak, and if he didn't he could blog, like the rest of us. Kristol is a war-monger and a hate-monger, and his lies have been exposed over and over in the last four years. If you think that the Iraq War is a crime, as I do, it is bad enough that he was one of the primary cheerleaders for it, even after every single one of the reasons that the Cheney/Bush/right wing gave for the attack was exposed. But he is worse than that. Until the NIE report, he was actively advocating bombing Iran, preferably with nuclear weapons, even though the civilians in Iran who would be bombed have nothing at all to do with whatever the Iranian government is doing, or as it turns out, not doing to develop nuclear weapons. In Iraq alone, Kristol has the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands. He is unrepentant and eager for more.



William Kristol is a man whose time has come and gone. There was a moment, in, say 2002, when some of his arguments sounded prudent, if not reasonable. Now, he only sounds crazy. Nothing has turned out as Kristol said it would, and the process of finding this out has cost the American people a great deal, and not only money and lives. Why the New York Times would hire such a person boggles the mind to think of. The announcement even made no sense, pointing out, as it did, that "Mr. Kristol, 55, has been a fierce critic of the Times. In 2006, he said that the government should consider prosecuting the Times for disclosing a secret government program to track international banking transactions. In a 2003 column on the turmoil within the Times that led to the downfall of the top two editors, he wrote that it was not 'a first-rate newspaper of record,' adding, 'the Times is irredeemable.'" Why would the Times hire such a person? Stockholm Syndrome? Some kind if inside-the-beltway joke? An attempt to lure that bloc of American newspaper readers who listen to Rush Limbaugh? Earth to Times! Maybe they can't read!



Day after day, I read the letters to the editor column. After almost every column by David Brooks, I am struck by how few readers agree with a single thing he says, how many cogently disagree with him. Judging by the letters column, readers of the Times are liberal to moderate, and, most importantly, they have a well-developed sense of decency and responsibility. Has the Times now decided just to stick it to us, willy nilly, by giving Kristol a platform and a paycheck? Who's next, A--- C---, who suggested that the Times building be bombed? Even the Times editors themselves, in an editorial printed yesterday, lament that the U.S. has become unrecognisably lawless and inhumane. Earth to Times! William Kristol is as much to blame for this as anyone on the planet!



So, as of next Monday, the Times feed disappears from my home page, and when I get that 1-111-111-1111 number on my caller I.D., the one that reveals how the Times really thinks of itself, I won't pick up. When they send me the money they owe me for my piece, I will divide it between a charity that benefits Iraq veterans and one that benefits displaced Iraqis. You would have thought that remorse for the Judith Miller debacle would have taught them something, but clearly not. Sadly

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Jane Smiley is a novelist and essayist. Her novel A Thousand Acres won the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Critics Circle Award in 1992.

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NY Times has no “variety” on issues that matter
Posted by: LookOut on Jan 5, 2008 2:06 AM   
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It is a propaganda instrument of the ruling class where Kristol will serve as its latest “neo-con” charlatan.

Even would-be “progressives” (Maureen Dowd, Bob Herbert, Paul Krugman, etc) that bank Op-Ed salaries there are so-called gatekeepers of a sham left monopoly media machine that will only go so far in criticizing the Fascist machine that cashes their checks.

“I even forgave them for Judith Miller, difficult as that was…”

Difficult?

The NY Times and its promoters have the blood of a million plus murdered Iraqis on its hands with going on 4000 American lives.

I’d say forgiveness coming from anyone who hasn’t lost more than moments of sleep over 9/11 cover-up into phony “war on terror” is vastly misplaced.

In truth the “grey lady” has proven to be a painted prostitute cum cheerleader for sham endless “war on terror” that is no more than genocide for organized corporate crime.

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» RE: “neo-con” charlatan! Posted by: TarryFaster
» RE: “neo-con” charlatan! Posted by: TarryFaster
» Could not be said much better! Posted by: WhatNow?
» Krugman Follies... Posted by: LookOut
» RE: Krugman Follies... Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: Krugman Follies... Posted by: LookOut
Hiring the likes of Kristol
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jan 5, 2008 3:39 AM   
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It makes perfect sense that Murdock's empire would hire the likes of Kristol. It's all about show and money, isn't it? It's all about marketing and not truth? The NYT will go down with a heavy thud and find itself unreliable as the rest of Murdock's vast fast-media outlets. Unreliable? Yes, no truth, just gossip and lies.

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» RE: Hiring the likes of Kristol Posted by: John Annis
» RE: Hiring the likes of Kristol Posted by: papananook
Give him enough rope to hang himself?
Posted by: defrag on Jan 5, 2008 5:16 AM   
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First off, Smiley takes that rag both way too seriously, and not seriously enough. At least Kristol is going to be labeled "opinion," UNLIKE Judith Miller!

But the poobahs at The Times may simply have a Machiavellian motive here. As Smiley has noticed, Times readers already thoroughly despise David Brooks. Kristol can thoroughly discredit himself with a new audience! He only has a one year contract, but is bound to say something outlandish about the campaign, Iran or who knows what.

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mr.ed
Posted by: mr.ed on Jan 5, 2008 5:23 AM   
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If it weren't for the fame of his father and the use/abuse of the family name, little Billy would probably be sleeping under a bridge tonight.

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On the other hand
Posted by: Indiosmith on Jan 5, 2008 5:36 AM   
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On the other hand, by bringing Kristol inside the tent and subjecting him to editorial fact checking, the Times may prevent him from publishing outright lies.

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» RE: On the other hand Posted by: borsch
» RE: On the other hand Posted by: Declan
When in Doubt
Posted by: When In Doubt on Jan 5, 2008 5:43 AM   
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Well at least now The New York Times is out in the open with their alignment with the Cheney/Bush regime.

I accused the NYT of war crimes about a year ago in a response to an article about war crimes on-line. While i was in the middle of my comments, up popped a comment from them, they were waiting for me to "moderate" my views.
I went back to the comment and told them that I had never been more moderate in my life, they were as culpable as the administration....and suddenly the site totally disappeared before my eyes.

I was stunned for a moment and then I broke out in to hilarious laughter that lasted for minutes.

So they showed they watch the commentaries as we write them.

They outed themselves with Kristol of The New Century infamy.

Curious, though; hmmmmmm

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» RE: When in Doubt Posted by: CJC
» If that is true... Posted by: raffers
In December 2004, the NYTs refused to cover Ohio
Posted by: EFerrari on Jan 5, 2008 6:23 AM   
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ignoring hundreds of reader requests. The Public Editor promised that there would be coverage should a story emerge.

There have now been indictments in Ohio over that election. There are many books and reports as well as the testimony Mr. Conyers took. Nothing from the Times.

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» RE: The reason is Posted by: walldodger1969
If the NY Times represents the "liberal media..."
Posted by: bulbman on Jan 5, 2008 6:50 AM   
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... we are truly screwed.

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Sartorial Slumlord
Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 5, 2008 6:58 AM   
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On top of all that, Ms. Smiley, Kristol has lousy taste in neckties.

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Kristol will throw some bombs
Posted by: surfreality on Jan 5, 2008 7:06 AM   
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No doubt.
He's like Ann Coulter except some people actually take his policy suggestion seriously.
I think that we can count on him to consistently espouse the war-mongering neo-con world view. This is a good thing. He is eminently quotable. This too is a good thing. Come election time the republicans will be given ample opportunity to either agree with Bill Kristol or to disavow his screed. He is a loud tin can that we must tie to the tail of every republican candidate and The NY Times is giving us the forum to do that.
This is a good thing.
Preaching to the choir serves no good purpose. We must confront those of destructive impulse in the clear light of day. Shunning them to their savage blogs merely allows them to fester.

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ALMOST AS BAD AS PHILLY INQUIRER HIRING RICK SANTORUM!
Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 5, 2008 7:19 AM   
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....but not quite.

More signs of the demise of MSM

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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Everybody calm down.
Posted by: kenkrug on Jan 5, 2008 7:41 AM   
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Jesus, listen to yourselves. The world has much bigger problems than a newspaper hiring a right-leaning columnist.

Here is a very easy solution to this crisis. Ready? Step one: Read and fact-check Kristol. Step two: Read and fact-check Dowd and Krugman. Then...here comes the tricky part...Step three: Think for yourselves. Then, calmly and rationally, encourage your friends and others to do the same. I know this sounds hard (especially the "calmly and rationally" part). But you can do it.

If, one day, the Wall Street Journal happened to hire Paul Krugman, you'd hear the conservatives screeching bloody murder, exactly like you are now. And I would offer the exact same advice to them.

Right. Everybody calm now? Good. Now, don't make me come back here.

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» RE: verybody calm down. Posted by: VZEQICVA
» But that's just it, Anna! Posted by: defrag
» Nonsense Posted by: PaulC
» RE: verybody calm down. Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
» RE: verybody calm down. Posted by: perspicuity
The NYT Owns the Boston Globe
Posted by: PaulK on Jan 5, 2008 7:48 AM   
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Another problem with legalizing media consolidation. First two liberal papers merge to form a monopoly, then they bow to their true master.

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What's everyone so afraid of?
Posted by: dlueth on Jan 5, 2008 7:54 AM   
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Seriously. As has been pointed out, readers of the NYT generally lean to the left. Why are so many people terrified of Kristol? I would hope the average NYT reader is intelligent enough to recognize that he's ridiculous. If not, it's not Kristol that we should be worrying about so much as the readers of the Times.

As a radical leftist opinion editor of a college newspaper, I actively sought a right-wing columnist (unsuccessfully, alas) to provoke discussion and to get leftists to engage with people who disagreed with them. I would guess the editors of the Times have something similar in mind, to which I say, Great! Even if their motives are more questionable, as I said above I have faith that most readers of the Times are intelligent enough to recognize and abhor Kristol's twisted views.

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» Benefit of the doubt Posted by: YogiBear
Hubris?
Posted by: taxidriver on Jan 5, 2008 8:05 AM   
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I can understand Smiley's disappointment at the NYT, but her comments would have more credibility, at least to me, if she could criticize the decision without first mentioning her Pulitzer prize and all the writing she's done for the paper. Given her self-investment in the Times, and apparently shameless self-promotion, she seems personally insulted that the paper would hire someone whose political views are so antithetical to hers. Do we read papers simply to have our own views and prejudices reaffirmed? Perhaps Smiley should take the Osmond cure: "One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch, girl ...."

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» RE: Hubris? Posted by: defrag
» RE: Hubris? Posted by: YogiBear
If the Times would run him side-by-side with, say, Naomi Klein...?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 5, 2008 8:35 AM   
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Not too likely a scenario, is it? That's really the problem here - the one-sided corporate viewpoint that the head honchos at the New York Times push. The rank-and-file are not too pleased about it, but then, they aren't talking too much about it, seeing as how they'd quickly end up without a job (and on a blacklist) if they did.

Jack Shafer at Slate has this to say about the Billy Kristol issue, in typical pro-war propaganda fashion.

"Oh, you say, Kristol's journalistic crime is not just that he was wrong about launching the war but that he has been absolutely wrong about every chapter in the war since the shock-and-awe bombs lit up Baghdad. Well, not wrong at every turn. From where I write this afternoon, he looks pretty goddamn prescient about the wisdom of mounting the "surge" and adopting a counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq."

There you have the major propaganda push of the past few months, heavily coordinated by corporate press and government disinformation offices at the White House and the Pentagon.

Never mind that 2007 was the deadliest year for U.S. troops. Never mind that the 'counterinsurgency program' initiated by psyops General Petraues, the "Sunni Awakening Councils", is now the primary target of Iraqi insurgents - whose primary fuel is the continuing agenda of establishing permanent military bases in Iraq as well as handing control of the oil over to Chevron, Shell, Exxon, Halliburton, and friends. Can you say 'fostering war and violence for Wall Street interests?'

So, what's the deal here? Again, it all goes back to media ownership. Slate is owned by Microsoft, for example, and if anyone has a pro-corporate agenda, Microsoft does. Among the first actions Bush took was to kill the Microsoft anti-trust case. Consider their corporate shareholders:

Guess who?
CAPITAL RESEARCH AND MANAGEMENT COMPANY $16.4B
Barclays Global Investors UK Holdings Ltd $11.1B
STATE STREET CORPORATION $7.6B
VANGUARD GROUP, INC. (THE) $6.8B
PRICE (T.ROWE) ASSOCIATES INC $3.8
AXA $3.5B
FRANKLIN RESOURCES, INC $3.3B
GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC $3.3B

Bill Gate's holdings in Microsoft are worth $25B. Barclays has $22.3B in Exxon, $7.4B in Chevron, $1.3B in Halliburton, $1.4B in NewsCorp(FOX), $2.1B in Lockheed, etc. -just for example.

The corporate end of the New York Times serves similar interests - the most glaring example is William Keenard, who is also a managing director at the private equity Carlye Group, who, at the time of 9/11, had Bush Sr. on the board as an advisor, and had the Bin Ladin family as major investors.

Other NYT notables include Brenda Barnes, long-time PepsiCo and SaraLee executive. Barclays has$4.3B in Pepsi; Capital Research has $7.6B in Pepsi. And so on.

Take NYT Director Raul E. Cesan - 24 yrs in Big Pharma (Schering-Plough) - CRM has $3.2B in SGP, Barclays has $1.4B.

How about James M. Kilts? Proctor and Gamble, Citigroup and Metlife. The trifecta! CRM has $10.8B in Citigroup and Barclays has $8.8B. Ka-ching! Barclays has $8.2B in Proctor and Gamble, closely followed by Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway with $7.4B (Buffet likes his drugs, no doubt about it). And Barclays has another $2.3B in Metlife.

So, why does the NYT spin the way it spins, faster than a speeding DJ? Couldn't have anything to do with all those corporate connections, could it?

That is more or less why the NYT runs with Billy Kristol and would never, ever put Kristol side-by-side with people like Noam Chomsky or Naomi Klein. That wouldn't fit their corporate propaganda agenda.

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» My point exactly! Posted by: YogiBear
Let's let everybody say
Posted by: surfreality on Jan 5, 2008 8:40 AM   
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what they need to say.
I do not watch Fox because they do not present the issues fairly or balanced. It's all right turns on the Fox race track. Watching Fox is a frustrating experience because very rarely do they give progressives a legitimate opportunity to present their case in full.
So it would be a bit hypocritical of me to demand that the NY Times keep it's op-ed pages politically correct.
Let Bill argue his points. Then let Krugman respond. Could be interesting.

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» Silly argument Posted by: PaulC
Kristol space in the New York Times
Posted by: AliRoxi on Jan 5, 2008 8:43 AM   
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Whereas I appreciate Smiley's dedication to a progressive,rational point of view, I think we
are on a slippery slope when we object to a contrary view being given space. The corollary ( readers objecting to a Paul Krugman, for example) would not be acceptable to our side.

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» Exactly correct Posted by: PaulC
Kristol at the Times...
Posted by: mark_proulx on Jan 5, 2008 9:02 AM   
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The only reason I can think of for the Times hiring Kristol is that Satan was booked.

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» RE: Kristol at the Times... Posted by: VZEQICVA
fimfarum
Posted by: fimfarum on Jan 5, 2008 9:09 AM   
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The amazing thing is that all these discredited, dishonest and incompetent neo-cons are getting new well paid gigs. Kristol = provocateur. This cheap PR stunt will not get NYT credibility back. How pathetic.

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A few points on the "Krugman vs. Kristol" puppet show.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 5, 2008 9:18 AM   
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Paul Krugman represents the U.S. academic economics establishment, as exemplified by the Princeton, Harvard and Chicago Economics Departments. He, along with his colleagues like Princeton economist Gene Grossman, were waving around 'econometric models' in the 90s that claimed that NAFTA would benefit Mexican and U.S. labor - not exactly true, was it?

His recent "critique of trade" was completely bogus, for example:
Trouble With Trade, By PAUL KRUGMAN, New York Times, December 28, 2007

First of all, he doesn't even discuss the actual trade agreements, which he persists in calling "free trade" - when the reality is that these are corporate trade agreements, certainly not "free". They come with textbooks of fine-print legalese that ensure corporate control of trade by Wall Street interests.

Secondly, Krugman persists in framing the debate in traditional "free-trade vs. protectionism" terms. He refuses to mention, for example, the massive subsidies given to U.S. agribusiness interests that have resulted (in combination with NAFTA) in the bankruptcy of millions of small-scale farmers in Mexico and elsewhere.

Quote:
"So am I arguing for protectionism? No. Those who think that globalization is always and everywhere a bad thing are wrong. On the contrary, keeping world markets relatively open is crucial to the hopes of billions of people."

Thirdly, he refuses to mention the real issue in globalization, the reason why the rest of the world calls it "neoliberal economic policy" - the lifting of restrictions (liberalization) on international cash flows that allow Wall Street to vacuum cash out of developing countries under the rubric of so-called "free trade agreements". There are very good reasons for not allowing investors to suck their cash out without paying serious penalties - not that investors want to be subject to such rules.

Fourthly, he refuses to mention the anti-democratic restrictions on environmental and labor protections that are enshrined in such agreements. What kind of "free trade" is that?

Krugman is a corporate neoliberal, in other words, who tries to sell the Wall Street agenda to the 'left' by cloaking it in appropriate attire. Furthermore, his discipline, modern economics, is largely propaganda aimed at giving 'scientific credibility' to the practices of robber barons - take the blistering criticism dished out by Peter Nobel, for example:

Nobel descendant slams Economics prize
"Nobel despised people who cared more about profits than society's well-being, Peter says, reiterating his vehement criticism of the Nobel Economics Prize which he says Alfred Nobel would never have created. . .

"It's most often awarded to stock market speculators", which does not reflect Alfred Nobel's spirit of improving the human condition, he fumes.

"The Economics Prize has nestled itself in and is awarded as if it were a Nobel Prize. But it's a PR coup by economists to improve their reputation," he bristles."


That's why Krugman gets editorial space at the NYT, but Naomi Klein doesn't.

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» Possibly... Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: Possibly... Posted by: YogiBear
» I was missing the sarcasm, apparently. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
westerwaelder
Posted by: hohensayner on Jan 5, 2008 9:37 AM   
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Bill Kristol is a ZIONIST troublemaker and Papers Like the NYT which protect the Zionist interest are always read in a country which supports the interest of the WAR industrialists.

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» RE: westerwaelder Posted by: Doubtom
Don't buy the NY Times
Posted by: WhatNow? on Jan 5, 2008 10:10 AM   
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Toilet paper works better and doesn't leave ink stains on your butt. :-)

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You've only now stopped reading the NYT?
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Jan 5, 2008 11:10 AM   
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That rag was loudly beating the drums in the march up to the war in Iraq.

I stopped reading it then with the exception of a stray article here or there.

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Johnboy1
Posted by: Johnboy on Jan 5, 2008 11:56 AM   
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Since I don't regularly read the NYT (living on the West coast) I don't exactly have a dog in the fight. However, the histrionic comments from Crystal-haters are amazing. You'd think it was the Kikuyus fanning the flames of the internecine conflict against the Luos in Kenya. Unless bibliographical bigotry is a virtue, shouldn't everyone be given the opportunity to read differing perspectives? I'm a conservative theist who reads Sam Harris and Noam Chomsky. Some of their ideas make a lot of sense. Maybe even Crystal will write something that makes sense to progressives. But it's hard to find common ground when slinging mud. And though Jane Smiley comes across like sour grapes, even her ideas are worth considering. So, please take a deep breath. The vast, right-wing conspiracy will probably not get you anytime soon.

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Paragon of Liberalism
Posted by: herbal on Jan 5, 2008 12:30 PM   
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is what the NYT is called by people like Kristol. Is the Times becoming a client of his vituperation in order to alleviate the "Liberal Press" myth? The NYT represents, when the subject is not Israeli lobby, one of the most reasonable and professional major newspapers in the nation. Isn't that pathetic? The best antidote to loss of American newspaper journalism is internet blog news; but beware, people like Kristol are scheming and in the process of torpedoing democratic free press even here.

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Chuckles
Posted by: tecpatl on Jan 5, 2008 12:37 PM   
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After 25 years of reading the Times, I, too, have made a vow NOT to give them one more dime. I have been able to deal with the various tight-wing grunts that offer their "opinions" but this is one liar that I can not take. I have followed the advice of Chomsky by reading a wide variety of opinion, both progressive to conservative, with the goal being to learn to read between the lines by analyzing the difference between what is written and what is not written. Kristol does not offer opinion and that is what the NYT refuses to acknowledge. His goal is to offer disinformation in order to further his goals, regardless of the number of lives lost. After reading the writings of Leo Strauss, Karl Rove and Kristol make much more sense - they are only following the instructions of their Dark Master. Kristol is pure evil. If I want to read the lies of an evil person, I can always go to the library to read some HItler. Or the New York Times.

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I'm With You
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 5, 2008 12:49 PM   
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When I heard that Bloody Bill Kristol was coming to the NYT, I wrote to the Editor and asked if it was true and informed them that if it was, they would not get any business from me. I dropped my subscription, deleted the bookmarks from my browser and avoid any link that is knowingly linked to the NYT.

This guy is nothing more than a shameless shill for everything that is wrong about the direction our country has been going and is, unfortunately, still going. He has been wrong about everything short of his mane and the posting date on his writings.

On Real Time with Bill Maher, Tim Robbins asked a very poignant and reasoned question
"If you F**k things up so badly you can no longer be an expert"

Watch Here

Why would anyone lend any credence to what this Flat Earther has to say?

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Dr. Paul Matthews
Posted by: PaulMatthews on Jan 5, 2008 1:38 PM   
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Jane Smiley certainly offered a realistic assessment of the editorial policy that will appear under Bill Kristol. I have long been an ardent supporter of the Times, but having someone with his extreme neoconservative views on the editorial board will end any interest on my part.

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overkill?
Posted by: luzmejor on Jan 5, 2008 1:46 PM   
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Hard as it is to deal with, we need to know what the enemies of freedom are doing behind our backs. That means we do have to read their trash and keep up with their so-called thinking processes. Not to know is actually dangerous to a free society.

Cancelling the newspaper which at least attempts to keep the facts straight is not at all productive in these days of slander and invective.

I'm sure everyone knows already about the defects of this writer and either will not read his tripe or will read it only to get their daily laughs at how muddleheaded he is.

I do understand the disgust of a real journalist at hearing about this hire, though.
That's only natural.

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and you're OK with Friedman?
Posted by: coripus on Jan 5, 2008 3:14 PM   
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I would say that Friedman is much worse than Kristol. He wears the mantle of enlightened pseudo-liberalism and is ultimately much worse than a man who is at least honest in how fascist he really is.

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No More NYT for Me
Posted by: blackie4aces on Jan 5, 2008 5:35 PM   
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Ms. Smiley, I applaud your decision and your article. I shall join you. Although I reside in New Orleans, I have been in the habit for many years of buying the NYT from the newstand on Sunday, particularly enjoying the book reviews and the news about town, being a frequent visitor to New York City. The NYT has seen the last of my pennies.

What follows is a reply to a friend who sent me an essay by Fred Reed, a Vietnam veteran, which I highly recommend reading, and is pertinent to your article:

Thanks for sending along the excellent Fred Reed essay (fredoneverything.net), an eloquent, from-the-gut, unconfused analysis. It brings to mind the appalled reaction of the General Staffs of all sides (enemies though they were supposed to be, they were in total agreement that this could not stand) during the ad hoc Christmas truce of 1914, declared by the Tommies and the Fritzes in the trenches, not the diplomats and assorted pooh-bahs in morning suits.

I remain amazed at the befogged thought processes of so much of the citizenry that cannot penetrate what is, after all, a fairly simple proposition. When I contemplate how the snide punk, Bill Kristol, has never, nor ever will, felt the mixture of rough fatigue cloth, dirt, blood, and sweat next to his soft, privileged skin, much less the cascade of fear climbing up the spine at the sound of a fired round, not even in a bad neighborhood in Brooklyn, has been rewarded for being absolutely wrong about absolutely everything of any importance with a position as a regular NY times columnist, I run a very real risk of becoming physically ill. Of course, the Times has been in the war business for quite some time, so maybe it figures.

That Kristol and the rest of his effete neocon brigands and whores can still be appearing on television on all the major networks is telling. Rather than slinking off into abandoned, shit-filled snake holes of infamy to hide from the justice they truly deserve, they remain in full, highly-compensated, view, spewing their poisonous, stilted rhetoric from esteemed platforms provided by our so-called fourth estate. This alone is enough to cast my spirits into a most profound hopelessness. Not that they exist, but that they are so easily tolerated; promoted, in fact.

Apparently, among the American populace, which has become increasingly superficial and self-absorbed in direct proportion to the degree consumerism supplants citizenship, training supercedes education, and greed becomes the measure of success and satisfaction, celebrity counts for far more than integrity, honesty, and wisdom. This has historically been the first signs of the crumbling of empires, from the emperor worship of ancient Rome to the robotic salutes afforded the Fuhrer and El Duce.

Roland Poche
New Orleans, La
U.S. Army, Enlisted (Drafted)
Class of 1970

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It may be a good thing that.........
Posted by: tap17x on Jan 5, 2008 6:05 PM   
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...........in about ten years most of the papers in the US, possibly including the NYT, will be dead and gone. I read the L.A. Times, which is distinctly liberal although they carry that useless moron, Jonah Goldberg.

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ALWAYS ASK WHY!: re William Kristol at NYT? Heil Bush!!!!!
Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Jan 5, 2008 6:46 PM   
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My letter to the Editor of the NY Times re their hiring of William Kristol and giving him a voice in civilized society's newspaper (or what used to be)

Editor of the NYTimes,

Is the NYT trying to be as "fair and balanced" as the Fixed Noise Network? Has the NYT become "Good Germans"?

William Kristol is as much an indifferent mass murderer (read COLD BLOODED KILLER) as Bush or Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld.... all with the blood of bombed babies dripping through their hands... FOR PROFIT.

Perhaps you should start a section entitled BUSH MAFIA KILLERS' OP-EDS/OPINIONS... and invite Karl Rove, Richard Pearl, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice... Richard Meyers... Ann Coulter..the list of psychopaths you have to choose from is endless! How about some personal notes of some of the torturers in the CIA/military.... how about the CEO of Blackwater or Jeppesen (masters of the torture flights)? Please publish their psychobabble... so they can convince the American People (ALA GOEBBELS, GOEHRING, HITLER) that White American Christian Males are masters of the human race and all others are merely dispensable cannon fodder???? The source of everything... the final answer to the world's woes????? MY F'ING GOD!!!!!

I don't even want to know why the NYT has done this. There is no reason on this earth that can justify the insanity of giving William Kristol a voice, neigh a whisper, on the pages of the NYT. NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING. You may have single-handedly given the insanity of this sociopath and the whole bunch of PNAC nut jobs respectability!

You have most certainly flushed your own integrity and respectability down the toilet.

The NYT has sold out humanity, sold out the American People.

Heil Bush!!! Heil Cheney! Heil the Dark Side!!

I'm livid now, but it will soon disolve into uncontrollable sobbing and throwing up. HOW COULD YOU????????

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Jane Smiley
Posted by: Bibsi on Jan 6, 2008 3:10 AM   
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Kudos and excellent commendations to Jane Smiley. She is a writer, non-pariel. I applaud her distancing herself from the Times which I read every day. I've also read her books. Thank you, Ms. Smiley, for your moral stance and your inimitable writing.

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Your Name Here
Posted by: HeKnew on Jan 6, 2008 6:29 AM   
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Anyone who can shrug off the Judith Miller affair is better off voting Republican. One thing the left doesn't need is more dead weight to drag around. Which side are you on, Jane?

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When it looks, smells and tastes like.. it is....
Posted by: danielet on Jan 6, 2008 6:52 AM   
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I welcome Bill Krystol's column in the NY Times. So far, only neocon David Brooks has appeared in the Times (payed operatives of neocon benefactors appear in Wash Post) and he is tame and sometimes sophisticated, even reasonable. But Krystol is a putz for whom the Times is Viagra. And indeed he will come all over the pages of the Times, crowing his "mesh-hood" by calling for World War IV. THAT'S GOOD, for this anerobe needs exposure to sunlight and oxygen in order to burn out. So far he has thrived in the dark and airless Weekly Standard that only neocon hormone freaks looking for artificial manhood read. But in the Times he will expose himself because he lacks the cerebral discipline to avoid turning his column into anything less than adolescent masturbation for a can't-get-it-up wanna be. And so, his pseudo male-call: WORLD WAR IV!!!-- will be heard by all Americans from the pages of the NY Times-- particularly by the US Jews who innocently think him just another intelligent and literate nice Jewish boy who made it in goy society. Realizing that, like Judy Miller, he too is a case of a reckless teenage nija turtle playing with grown-up matches, they will call for his removal, for the sake of US Jews. Yes, there's nothing's worse for a staulker than light; and the oped page of the NY Times is the best place to expose this molester of Lady Liberty. I consider his presence there as finally the listing of him as a molestors of childiish minds on a registry that all will see. The contrast to others there will make that obvious as readers get to see that when it looks, smells and tastes like....it is....!

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psychopath
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 6, 2008 10:15 AM   
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is latent homosexual look is obvious to me. However the gays in my office are compassionate

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re:....is a way to discredit that idea
Posted by: fimfarum on Jan 6, 2008 10:44 AM   
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We didn't have enough exposure to these freaks? Is there something new or relevant we can learn from this dude? There is no better quality product (conservative or contrarian contributor) then Kristol? WOW, NYT must be really desperate.

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PNAC--Project for the New American Century
Posted by: 2dogarage on Jan 6, 2008 11:28 AM   
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The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.

The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world.

William Kristol, Chairman (and co-founder)

--From the "Statements of Principles":

Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

--Who are these guys? Just the usual suspects:

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

The NYT is clearly supplying an outlet for the neo-conservative agenda. Kristol is also a Bilderberg Group attendee.

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The Discredited Failures that haunt us ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 6, 2008 12:39 PM   
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The placement of Wliiam Krystol on the NYT Op-Ed page is just another example of how our Main Stream Media recycles failed and discredited idealogues from well deserved banishment to platforms of prominence.

Time after time we see the likes of Henry Kissinger, Anne Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Richard Nixon, numerous foreign policy 'experts' and others given platforms after their deed and word have been shown to be terribly flawed at best to defamatory and nefarious at worst.

Now, once again, all the old battles must be refought while the powers that be carry on as usual. Is there any wonder why this country is in so much trouble ?

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Rosenthal and Kristol
Posted by: dkm on Jan 7, 2008 3:13 PM   
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The NYT editor who hired Kristol defended himself and Kristol from the objections of outraged decent people by claiming that they were "intolerant". If tolerance is so important to him, why in the name of all that is holy did he hire a bigot and hatemonger like Kristol?

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I was just about to subscribe to the NYT
Posted by: rury on Jan 11, 2008 2:03 PM   
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I won't now that I know that it has become a full-fledged neocon corporate prostitute!

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The man is an archetypal imperialist fascist pig.
Posted by: leland61 on Jan 11, 2008 2:33 PM   
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He is one of the originators of the Plan for the New American Century which is a roadmap for Empire. Not only that but it clearly called for, even if in passive voice, for a new Pearl Harbor which is exactly what we got on 9/11. He is fascist madness is part and parcel of the mentality which is destroying our democratic republic.

One might call him one of the architects of evil which have guided the Bush administration from before its take over of the government after the failed election of 2000.

Come the revolution, Mr. Kristol, and it's up against the wall for you and all like you.

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The NY Times is a right wing zionist rag and needs to be ignored.
Posted by: Naturalboy on Jan 11, 2008 4:06 PM   
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The times is for upper-left side zionists who like to think they're intellectuals reading that rag over their lox, bagels and river-side drive views. It's a sham. People should renounce their stupid subscriptions at once and save some trees!

You can get much of the times online for free, and only to know what NOT to read and believe!

The NY times lead the media on the march to war. No amount of belated bush-bashing in the blogs can ever repair that war-crime.

The times categorically IGNORED the Kucinich Impeachment bill, except in some mocking reference in the marginal silly gossip-blog called the lede. They reported nothing about the questions over 911, except in the same silly dismissive blog in mockery. They report NONE of the anti-war demonstrations, did not even carry the stories.

The times is edited by right-wing zionists. Zionists are bad people, religious fanatics who think the world should revolve around their absurd puppet state the antics of which rapidly removes all sympathy for their constant pining about past atrocities when they daily commit atrocities of a racist, ethnic-cleansing nature themselves. There is no redeeming value to zionists, and they need to go away and stop making fools of the rest of jews. The NY Times is their voice box.

As a jew, I can tell you the zionist jews LOVE this war, they LOVE Lieberman, and want to bomb iran so bad it's palpable. They’ve been wanting to NUKE arabs for decades. They celebrate an apartheid state that slaughters it's second-class citizens from which it stesls land at the pont of a bayonette.

The jews who read the new york times are some kind of fake, psuedo-liberal intellectual jappy over-fed, gaudy, nasty warmongering Greenspan type of jew, and as such are entirely responsible for much heartache in the world.

I am sorry to admit this, but the sympathy for jews, and their ridiculous right-wing, tree-killing rag, is all rapidly disappearing. What and who wants to read about this dweeby, nerdy, greasy, unwashed sect of right-wing trained racist bigoted fascist killers every day?

Isreal has proven its unworthiness as a fabricated colony, and the stupid jews should go the way of the other ancient cults of the region, like the sumerians, egyptians, and scythians.

They should take their stinking right-wing rag with them!

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Jane Smiley: Bill Kristol in the NY Times Means I'm Done With the Paper
Posted by: edf on Jan 12, 2008 1:34 PM   
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Gee Jane,
how about when the NYT sat on the wiretapping story for a year and only released the info prior to the publishing of Risen's book?

how about when they beat the drums for the Iraq invasion during the runup?

Well anyway Jane, welcome aboard, there are many many of us who know what the NYT stands for.

ed

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A Journalist's Lament
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 16, 2008 10:23 AM   
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There comes a time in a reporter's life that they begin to ponder questionable hirings. And since the NY Times hired a right-wing zealot who advocated destruction forced a reporter to quit.
There are plenty of those in the media who want bloodshed, mayhem and chaos to erupt (maybe to sell papers?) so a news organization can get an exclusive. The worse the disaster, the better the story. Or so it seems. Think 9-11 or an apartment fire tragedy.
Regardless of an ulterior motive, suspect hirings of a person like Kristof makes my head swell with disbelief.
Media organizations, especially newspapers, have this problem. One guy can really wreck the climate of a newsroom.
Journalists at the L.A. Times went through trauma when former General Mills wonk Mark "Cap'n Crunch" Willes nearly eroded the once vibrant editorial department and many reporters quit or were fired. He was a man who knew nothing about running a news organization. It was a difficult time for the paper.
It takes a very long time to recover from the shock. Yet we see the same scenario unfolding at the NY Times.

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