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The Return of the SwiftBoaters

By Christopher Hayes, The Nation. Posted January 4, 2008.


The shadowy group that smeared John Kerry in 2004 is ready to do its dirty work again.

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More than three years after John Kerry's bitter defeat, at the dawn of what looks like a far more promising campaign cycle for the Democrats, the party is still haunted by the specter of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Once upon a time, "Swift boat" denoted an obscure military vessel, but thanks to the activities of this group it has come to represent movement conservatism's penchant for ruthlessly (and effectively) smearing any and all political opponents, from a sitting senator and war hero to an 11-year-old boy with a cranial fracture.

Research by The Nation into Federal Election Commission records of the group's top twenty donors reveals that they've been remarkably active in this cycle, contributing and bundling nearly $200,000 to presidential candidates. This does not bode well. During the last presidential campaign, the wealthy backers of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth--now rebranded as Swift Vets and POWs for Truth--didn't do their real dirty work until the general election, where as a tax-exempt 527 group they operated outside the restraints of direct campaign contributions. We may wish we were done with the Swift Boaters, but they aren't done with us.

In 2004 the top twenty donors all gave (with one exception) at least $50,000 to the group. The top three--Houston home builder Bob Perry, Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens and billionaire drugstore impresario and investor Harold Simmons--gave a combined $9.5 million ($4.45 million, $3 million and $2 million, respectively). Calculating the influence of these and the slightly less wealthy Swift Boat donors during this cycle is a touch more complicated than simply adding up their contributions. Each one exerts far more influence as a bundler, given the federal restrictions on individual giving, which limit donors to a maximum of $4,600 per cycle. So The Nation looked not only at the contributions of the donors themselves but also at those of their family members and employees. It's an imperfect method, since some employees are clearly contributing of their own volition (such as one employee of a Simmons company who gave money to Hillary Clinton), but it gives a rough estimate of who's backing whom and to what extent.

The most notable recipient of Swift Boat largesse is John McCain, erstwhile front-runner and Stand Up Guy. When the Swift Boat ads were first unleashed, McCain was alone among his Republican colleagues to condemn them. A fellow Vietnam veteran, a good friend of Kerry's and a former target of smears about his own service, McCain called the ads "dishonest and dishonorable," a "cheap stunt," and he urged Bush to condemn them. But in pursuit of the GOP nomination, McCain ditched the mantle of maverick for that of hack, and his once-floundering, possibly rejuvenated campaign has been aided along the way by $61,650 from Swift Boat donors and their associates. "There is such a thing as dirty money," said Senator Kerry in a statement, after The Nation informed him of McCain's FEC records. "I'm surprised that the John McCain I knew who was smeared in 2000 and thought so-called Swift Boating was wrong in 2004 would feel comfortable taking their money after seeing the way it was used to hurt the veterans I know he loves." (McCain's office did not return calls for comment.)


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The Swiftboating Began A While Back ON RON PAUL !!
Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 3:09 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
SWIFTBOATING! I'm a progressive liberal Democratic/Green professional and volunteer activist of nearly 25 years.

But, I can see beyond the corporate media false left/right creation. The "liberal" talking points are already being strategically placed by so called "left" media to tear progressive voters away from the most progressive candidate in our lifetimes, at least adult lifetimes. Ron Paul threatens the foundations of the American military empire, and corrupt corporate economics that keep us all down . . .

On the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, I donated to my first Republican candidate. I officially joined the Ron Paul revolution!

Ron Paul is threatening the American military empire in ways no Democrat of our time has ever been able to do. I don’t diminish Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel’s efforts, they have been courageous. However, they are limited by their party, which I've given much of my life to supporting.

Of course the Democratic machine got rid of Gravel (the man who ended the draft during Vietnam) early, and with the Iowa Democratic Gestapo (I mean Party), we’ve now seen them do the same with Kucinich excluding him from the debates. The party lamely blamed it on the Des Moines Register, but I think we all know that the Dem Party could have insisted, if they wanted to have all their candidates present.

I could NOT vote for another Republican, unless Ron Paul is the candidate, because I think we all know the GOP is completely corrupted, except for the shining knight that is Ron Paul.

However, my disillusionment with the Democrats began long ago. Many years ago former California governor, Jerry Brown, decided to run for the State Chair of the California Democratic Party. I was hired on his campaign as a professional staff member. We won. He got the Chairmanship.

Years later, I became a full time volunteer for Jerry Brown’s bid for the Democratic nomination for President. I came back to politics as a volunteer because Brown had the revolutionary idea of not accepting a donation over $100.

He traveled on a budget and stayed in ordinary people’s homes. He said when he was state chair of the California Democratic Party, he’d raised more money than any chair in history. But, no matter how much he raised, they always needed more. He said you lose touch with ordinary people, when you can only take time to sit down with those who can write a multi-thousand dollar check.

Brown was made fun of by corporate media. Sound familiar? Ala Kucinich, Gravel, and Ron Paul? THEN, Brown won the primary in Colorado, defeating candidate Bill Clinton. It shook the foundations of the power structure that runs this country. They acted fast, and with a sledge hammer.

Immediately Ted Koppel of Nightline, a huge influence in the nation before cable news dominated . . . had on several “masked men” who would not reveal their identity. They “claimed” to be former Governor Brown’s body guards when he was governor. They “claimed” he’d held wild pot parties at his Laurel Canyon home back then.

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» Oh, that's a relief! Posted by: Longdream
» Why should anyone believe what you say? Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Contd. from above
Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 3:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When I saw shocked friends, cooks, housekeepers, etc. of the former Governor going on television to vehemently deny that such “wild parties” had ever occurred, I knew they were telling the truth. Anyone who knew Brown or worked with or for him, knew that the allegations were lies. When I worked for him, I had to walk away from his house to smoke a cigarette, a tobacco cigarette, let alone anything else. He’d trained to be a Jesuit priest before entering politics and was the straightest arrow I ever met. Someone wanted Bill Clinton to get the nomination, because they wanted big money to continue its reign in America.

When I went to the Orange County Democratic Party headquarters to get precinct maps for our Brown for President campaign, I was denied them by smug party officials. I was ordered out when I began yelling the fact that the Clinton campaign was being given preferential treatment by the party hacks.

So, the Democratic Party sold out long ago. If the chosen ones, Obama or Hillary, and maybe Edwards gets elected, they will slightly change spending priorities but leave the American military empire fully intact. Corporate globalist money will remain completely in charge.

However, if Ron Paul gets elected, all US troops from worldwide will be ordered home. The oppression of developing country workers by corrupt governments backed up by the CIA and US military will die a timely death. Workers will organize, and slave labor markets, which drive down the US worker’s standard of living will be no more.

Since over 50% of US federal discretionary spending goes to military, President Ron Paul’s actions will result in a deluge of savings that will dramatically improve the standard of living in America. Democrats would NEVER make such a change, at least not the ones the Party doesn’t silence with their many dirty tricks.

However, the “liberal” or “left” media will fight tooth and nail to damage Ron Paul in any way they can. They’ve already began smear campaigns. They’ve tried to character assassinate him with pathetic guilt by association campaigns, such as “white supremacists support Ron Paul,” or “Ron Paul will outlaw abortion.”

Tucker Carlson “of the right” did his best to smear Ron Paul as well, when he personally picked up a brothel owner, and took him to a Ron Paul rally, so he could then release a media report that said “brothel owners support Ron Paul.”

The fact is that President Ron Paul will not affect abortion rights because he doesn’t believe that is the President’s role. A President is incapable of outlawing abortion, only the Supreme Court and/or Congress could do so. The GOP really never wanted to outlaw abortion, oh some Congresspeople or Senators may really feel against it, but the Party machine needs it to get poor whites, some poor blacks and Hispanics to vote against their own interest election after elections. The GOP had absolute control of all three branches of power during Reagan and Bush II. Did they outlaw abortion? NOPE. They never will. They need it.

However, they will use it to manipulate liberals and progressives into being against Ron Paul and they’ll spew this misinformation out through the liberal media. I’ve grown suspicious of the “liberal” media that I once believed in, since I’ve seen them attack anyone who questions the official story of 9/11. William Colby, a former CIA Director, once admitted to America, “there is no media of any significance in the US that is not controlled by the CIA.” That would include significant left media. Why would they leave liberal media un-infiltrated? They wouldn’t.

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» It's ANTI-CHOICE not Pro-life Posted by: Prairie Waif
Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3
Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 3:11 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ron Paul’s supporters are a very diverse crowd, some of whom I disagree with on many issues as a liberal progressive. However, Paul’s commitment to the constitution, the limits of government’s ability to spy on me and to use my taxes to attack poor people in other nations so that corporations can loot their resources and/or use them as slave labor to force my standard of living farther down, down down . . . is something that many people who disagree with me on many other things can agree with me on.

Ron Paul is the perfect candidate. He is pro freedom. He does not believe in the Washington running our lives. He cannot be attacked by the gun lobby. He cannot be attacked by the anti-abortion lobby. Because he doesn’t believe that Washington is the arbiter on such issues of personal freedom. I have been a supporter of gun control for years. But, after I’ve seen what I’ve seen since 2000 and 9/11/2001, I realize we have much more to fear from the dissolution of democracy and the emergence of a totalitarian torture state, than we do from people owing guns.

The GOP uses the gun issue like they use abortion. To get poor people to support Republican candidates that absolutely do not represent their interests.

Ron Paul is the Teflon candidate. He is a candidate that threatens the very foundations of the American corporate militaristic empire that is causing misery worldwide, and is the only person who can really do so. Because any Democrat who does so, is so dependent on gun control and abortion rights lobbies that they must take Washington power positions on those issues, ensuring that middle Americans will vote against their own interests because of fear campaigns on these other issues. Same thing with gay rights. Ron Paul will not sanction or diminish people’s rights. He believes people are endowed with rights, not awarded them by Washington. He doesn’t believe that Washington has a role in people’s bedrooms.

Ron Paul is a man that can alter the future of humanity in a way that will enable a human renessance. When you hear him speak on corporate media, the corporate shills sound shrill and abrasive. Ron Paul sounds calm and clear. He extols freedom, peace and international cooperation.

He has broken all fundraising records, $18 million this quarter. Only HE hasn’t raised it. Individuals have raised it for him. Ordinary citizens, many who’ve never voted before. A revolution is occurring.

As a lifelong liberal Democrat who has worked professionally and as a full time volunteer, as I told the Iowa Democratic Party in a rancourous phone conversation a few days ago . . . I’m sick of your politics. I’m sick of your charades. I’m officially leaving the Party and joining the Ron Paul revolution.

Of course I’ll vote for Democratic Congresspeople and Senators, because . . . well because we know most Republican candidates are completely devoid of soul. At least with a Democrat you could be surprised. However, for Presidential candidates, Ron Paul is the ONLY choice.

My old friends may be shocked and cringe at my decision. But, I think in their hearts they too know the Democratic Party establishment has used them, at least in Presidential politics.

I hope they will see the light, while Ron Paul can still win. A mass defection from the Dems to Ron Paul is a powerful message we can all send.

If the GOP and powers that be somehow stop Ron Paul from getting the nomination, I pray he’ll hook up with a real Democrat like Gravel or Kucinich, and run as a third party candidate.

Americans are sick and tired of voting for the evil of two lessers, as Michael Moore once said. I know I am. How about you?

Join the Revolution!!

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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3 Posted by: walldodger1969
» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3 Posted by: Democritus
» RE: Join the revolution!!! Posted by: fsuthai
» RE: BillDouglas: Absolutely slimy bogus puke. Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3 Posted by: JSquercia
» calm down people... Posted by: data23
Nothing New
Posted by: Sparks56 on Jan 5, 2008 4:44 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Swiftboaters, in one form or another, have existed in American politics for some time. I believe they were so successful against Kerry because of Kerry's gutless response. Republicans, especially conservatives, are on the ropes. They have no rules, no ethics, no honor, and no integrity in the political game. They will go after any candidate, from either party, not of their liking with every dirty trick they can think up. Any candidate who is not prepared for this is not prepared to be president. I see only one person with the moxy, skill, and cajones to take thse bastards on and win; Hillary Clinton.

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» Ron Paul: Milton Friedman economist. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: on Paul: Milton Friedman economist. Posted by: left_libertarian
Swiftboaters on all sides
Posted by: tkwilson on Jan 5, 2008 5:29 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Swiftboaters, also known as revisionists, come in all flavors; neo-con, neo-liberal and pseudo progressive too. Witness the posts by Johngary66. Slur and inuendo but no substance.

One would think that a real progressive would be willing to do whatever it took, including ditching the neoliberal Democratic party machine, which has time and again shafted those stupid enough to swear allegience to it, in favor of real change for the better, for everyone.

As an individual, Ron Paul is a long way from perfect. Come to think of it, SO AM I.
Nobody else in this campaign has had the balls, or the ovaries, to put the stuff on the table that he has.
Nobody else in this campaign besides Kucinich has gotten the slimy treatment from the MSM and the alternative press both, that Paul has gotten.
Anybody that upsets the status quo, that bad, for no demonstrably legitimate reason I can see
(like he/she is a f*cking war criminal or apologist for war criminals) must be doing something right.
There is nobody else in this race as far as I'm concerned. This country is dying. It needs a hell of a lot more than bread and circuses.

Free health care (for instance) for "little Jimmy poor kid"(which Dr. Ron Paul has given of his own accord to hundreds of people in his own Texas medical practice), might sell well and it could even be a good idea but it's not going to keep this country from disolving into a puddle of moral and ethical pus. Putresence is exactly where the revisionists are taking us.

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"There is no media of any consequence in America that is not controlled by the CIA" - CIA Director,
Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 5:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"There is no media of any consequence in America that is not controlled by the CIA" - former CIA Director, William Colby

The attacks on Ron Paul will come from the same circles that would have attacked Gravel or Kucinich if they'd raised $18 million in one quarter from small donors.

However, some "left" media will be involved as well. How do I know? Read the above quote.

You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that if the CIA takes time and money to infiltrate media, that they would not infiltrate "left" media as well.

Anyone who's seen the "left" media's suppression of the gross problems with the official 9/11 myth . . . knows something is amiss.

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TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT the only way FOR CHANGE
Posted by: DanielleClarke on Jan 5, 2008 6:14 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
OPEN GOVERNMENT FOR WE THE PEOPLE

"USAspending.gov Barack Obama's New Gov Site + His reform track record + Best Of Obama's Transparent Gov Bills" http://my.barackobama.com/page/
community/post/danielleclarke/CB44


Today Dec 13th 2007 witnessed the launch of USAspending.gov,= http://www.usaspending.gov/

which was created by the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Federal_Funding_Accountability_
and_Transparency_Act_of_2006

by Tom Coburn and Barack Obama. The site enables tracking of $1 trillion in federal spending on contracts, grants, earmarks, and loans. The bill faced serious opposition, including anonymous holds by some of the biggest porkbarrel spenders (including Ted Stevens), but in the end, Coburn and Obama prevailed.

So what kind of data does this site give us? Well, how about the top 100 recipients of federal money, = http://www.usaspending.gov/fpds/tables
.php?tabtype=t2&subtype=t&year=2007

or say which congresspeople rake in the most pork. = http://www.usaspending.gov/fpds/tables
.php?tabtype=t1&subtype=at&rowtype=d

And that's just scratching the surface.
And, to my surprise (especially for a government site), an API is available = http://www.usaspending.gov/apidoc.php
to make it easy to extract data.

Read on for more examples and some implications.
USAspending.gov and Obama's reform track record = http://www.onemillionstrong.us/showDiary.do?diaryId=431
The site is clearly a treasure trove of data and is a huge step forward towards government accountability. What's also nice is how user friendly it is.

Let's look at a few examples of what we can dig up.

Example 1: The list of transactions with KBR, Inc. (formerly part of Halliburton) in 2007 = http://tinyurl.com/27xroh . This came out to a paltry sum of $2.7 billion dollars (so far this year), which is nothing compared to previous years as the bar graph on the summary page = http://tinyurl.com/yq39cq shows

Example 2: No bid contracts are among the darkest corners of federal spending - the lack of competition in these contracts is in large part what leads to overcharging by contractors and waste of taxpayer dollars. Well, there was $30 billion in no-bid contracts in 2007 = http://tinyurl.com/2x2225 , including money to some companies I had never heard of, including $1.2 billion to Armor Holdings, Inc. = http://tinyurl.com/248loz and, strangely, $163 million to the government of Canada. = http://tinyurl.com/28amw3

There are a million more examples, and I'm really looking forward to seeing them in the coming weeks and months.

I'm very happy to see another positive step towards government transparency, something that Sen. Obama has been a leader in.

I have one challenge to everyone - find one interesting, strange, or otherwise noteworthy pieces of spending using the site.


Republicans wanted Hillary because if she won or a republican won the powers to be would still be able to keep their war mongering agenda.

Obama will give the power back to the people as he has done with the transparency bill to expose lobbyist donations and the www.USAspending.gov site to expose all government contracts and the NEW SUNSHINE BILL to force polticians to expose their earmarks BEFORE THEY CAN BE VOTED ON

Hillary is a neocon republican disguised as a dem and they want her not Obama and so you shall see in the final republican democratic debates that he will expose them for what they are... however, huckabee is the only one with Ron paul who may be able to even come up to level with Barack Obama.

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Nice Piece of Reporting
Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 5, 2008 6:18 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thanks for carrying this well-researched article from the Nation.

John Kerry comes too late to the defense. Had he embraced the anti-war stance that followed his battle commendations, he might now be President. Both were a matter of public record, and consultants who thought he could squeak by as a war hero and ignore his testimony before Congress were clueless.

Who can be surprised that the Swiftboaters support McCain? He's still touting "winning" this war in Iraq as we "failed to do" in Vietnam. But, of course, Hayes makes the point that the real Swiftboaters are not disgruntled vets but three very wealthy men whose interests lie in the status quo.

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» RE: Nice Piece of Reporting Posted by: Bozwell
What does it matter...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Jan 5, 2008 6:19 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
what these Repuke 'swiftboaters' come up with next? OF COURSE they're going to smear anyone and everyone. Look for them to hack one of 'their own' party--Ron Paul--next! But again--SO WHAT? Is there anyone--anyone of voting age in this country and yes I'm including our recent immigrants--who doesn't know what a Swiftboat ad looks and sounds like? And who therefore doesn't know to ignore it?

And BTW, where's MoveOn.org? They've got the resources to counter these people. Every 'swiftboat' ad needs to be countered by a, say, 'SwiftBush ad'. God knows we got WAY more material to use against them, than they got against us. Besides--the Swiftboat ads aren't what killed Kerry's nomination. It was HIS REFUSAL to 'stoop to their level' and respond to their phony accusations, that pretty well sunk him. I mean, the voters in both parties said things like: "If Kerry won't fight back against these pissy-ass creeps on the far right--how can we trust him to keep us safe"?

I hope we've seen the last of these high-minded 'refuse to stoop to their level' politics. If we haven't, then Bush's replacement is waiting in the wings...

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» Ron Paul? What a Dipshit! Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» It does matter a great deal. Posted by: Knowmad
Hayes gets it right:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 5, 2008 6:32 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"This all supports the notion that the people behind the Swift Boat operation are chiefly concerned with the continued upward redistribution of wealth that is, more or less, the contemporary GOP's raison d'être."

Some good examples of this trend:Halliburton, Bechtel, ChevronTexaco, ExxonMobil, Goldman Sachs, the Saudi Royals - all are loyal clients and allies of the Republican Party.

However, it seems to me that neither Clinton nor Obama are really willing to challenge that central agenda - because that's who they get the majority of their funding from. They have both been rewarded for that stand - both with campaign donations and with positive corporate media coverage.

A quick review of the current financial situation:

Clinton:
Total Receipts: $90,935,788
Total Spent: $40,472,775
Cash on Hand: $50,463,013
Debts: $2,347,486
Date of last report: September 30, 2007

Obama:
Total Receipts: $80,256,427
Total Spent: $44,169,236
Cash on Hand: $36,087,191
Debts: $1,409,740
Date of last report: September 30, 2007

Romney:
Total Receipts: $62,829,069
Total Spent: $53,612,552
Cash on Hand: $9,216,517
Debts: $17,350,000
Date of last report: September 30, 2007

Giulinani:
Total Receipts: $47,253,521
Total Spent: $30,603,695
Cash on Hand: $16,649,826
Debts: $169,256
Date of last report: September 30, 2007

Edwards:
Total Receipts: $30,329,152
Total Spent: $17,932,103
Cash on Hand: $12,397,048
Debts: $0
Date of last report: September 30, 2007

Huckabee:
Total Receipts: $2,345,798
Total Spent: $1,694,497
Cash on Hand: $651,301
Debts: $47,810
Date of last report: September 30, 2007

Kucinich:
Total Receipts: $2,130,200
Total Spent: $1,803,576
Cash on Hand: $327,094
Debts: $0
Date of last report: September 30, 2007

Who is fiscally responsible here? How about a Edwards-Kucinich presidency? Romney, on the other hand, is the worst kind of Bush-Cheney clone - look at his debt profile.

P.S. BillDouglas, the long-winded poster above, is yet another 911truthiness PR monkey - of the "they planted bombs in the WTC" variety - and the 911Truthiness campaign is a perfect example of a Republican-funded Swift Boats style smear campaign. For examples, see previous commentary by BillDouglas:

"To see that the official story of 9/11 is impossible, is not rocket science. No steel reinforced building in history has every collapsed due to fire or external damage"

Right. It's just a right-wing PR campaign to smear Bush opponents as looney nutcases. (Although it is clear that 9/11 was facilitated by Bush's gross incompetence and close ties to the Saudis).

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» RE: Hayes gets it right: Posted by: Herb3705
» www.opensecrets.org has all the numbers Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» Yes, which is pretty predictable. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
The Problem with Swift-Boating
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 5, 2008 6:48 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In this country we are supposed to have freedom of speech. The Bill of Rights specifically emphasizes this as a right as belonging to the people and, whether you like it or not, that does include people who say things we may not like.

The Swift-boaters have every right to say what they want about public figures, including presidential candidates. The problem is not so much with radical groups like this that might issue irresponsible and misleading statements. The problem is really with our irresponsible mainstream media that give these groups unwarranted visibility and that does such a poor job fact-checking what they say.

We need to reign in our irresponsible media and in particular we need to turn back the recent move of the FCC to promote further concentration of our media.

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» You hit the nail on the head. Posted by: KeepsonTickn
Why The Club Favors Romney
Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 5, 2008 6:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Swiftboaters favor Romney over McCain for the simple reason that The Suit is perceived as easier to manipulate. Like Arbusto, he hasn't the intelligence to stand up to them if he disagreed with anything they supported. McCain, for all his faults, demonstrates that he can be an independent thinker from time to time. The Suit will simply do what he's told to do, whether from wealthy Texas conservatives or Salt Lake City religionists.

On the other hand, I don't think McCain is much different than The Suit in the do-anything-to-be-president department. Not to forget that he labeled Faultwell and Robber's son "agents of intolerance," then went to Faultwell's "university" commencement, kissed and made up with Jerry, and retracted his earlier lambaste -- all in the name of currying the evangelical-fundamentalist (i.e. religious right wingnut) vote.

McCain and Romney are two of a kind.

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Gutless Democrats
Posted by: Roger Király on Jan 5, 2008 7:13 AM   
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When the SwiftBoaters go after Obama (and you know they will), will he roll over and wet himself like that sad dog Kerry? I've already heard Obama piously stating how he will not stoop to low tactics. Maybe he never read Shakespeare at Harvard:

In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility;
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger:
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood.

Henry V

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Ther Are No More Miltary Heroes To Have As President
Posted by: rgoalierob on Jan 5, 2008 7:21 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
At one time, John McCain and Colin Powell were tolerable as candidates for President. Then they got suckered into the "Corporatist" mentality.
Now we see what thay've become.
McCain, a feeble old man who would turn aside his own ideals for a chance to win.
Powell, forever soiled by his willingness to go along with an obvious lie just to serve his master.

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YOU ARE BETTER DEFINED BY YOUR ENEMIES
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 5, 2008 8:03 AM   
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than by your friends. To be attacked by George (Adolf) Will is a great compliment. It is the responsibility of every patriotic American to ignore George Will all the way to his grave.

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Evil begates Evil
Posted by: Missing Piece on Jan 5, 2008 8:11 AM   
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How are we going to stop the cycle of evil? Stop buying crap from corporations, stop burrowing money from corporations, stop working for corporations and start feeding our souls with substance. Charma is a real bitch if your on her bad side.

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The Swiftboat website
Posted by: jsong123 on Jan 5, 2008 8:19 AM   
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Alot of their website looks "old", but there are daily comments in the forum section.

http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24119

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You'll still be shopping at Wal Mart
Posted by: robmikejas on Jan 5, 2008 9:45 AM   
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You'll still be shopping at Wal Mart
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after this sham of an election is over, you'll still be feeding the corporate machine that is Washington DC. All politics are corporate/media determined or even pre determined. Your vote is only as good as forwarding of American corporate needs...not your own needs. Clinton? Obama? Huckabee? McCain? the media builds and tears down these people to varying degrees every day, leaving you with the impression that who you vote for is your choice. Truth is, your vote is bought and paid for by corporate money and media malfesance. No radically anti- corporate candidate can ever win an American election. Not possible. The morals of self governance so beautifully built into our constitution are redacted and unimportant to the real powers in this country. I wish it were different but the truth is self evident, that all people are definitely not created equal, treated equally or even considered at all. We are in the last days of a once great experiment, how exactly it will end is not known but one could surmise a totally repressed gang of humans walking in circles and wondering how the fuck we got to this point.

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Ron Paul? You've GOT TO BE KIDDING!
Posted by: CV on Jan 5, 2008 12:08 PM   
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How can anyone consider himself a "progressive" who supports Ron Paul? Are you delusional? This man believes in the complete privatization of government services, EXCEPT perhaps for the military and police. He believes in doing away with medicare, social security, and probably government-supported public education. Perhaps you want to see the Halliburtons, Carlyle Groups, KRBs, Exxons, huge private healthcare firms, etc. control our country - as they are essentially doing right now - but I DON'T. His platform reeks of "freedom" speech - but he would deny women freedom of choice over their own bodies. About the ONLY thing I agree with him about is the "free trade" agreements - but then even a broken clock is "right" twice a day.

He talks about "protecting" social security - but then talks about cutting payroll taxes to "allow people freedom to invest themselves." Nobody is talking about the fact that social security wouldn't BE in any trouble if, when Reagan DOUBLED the social security taxes (while lowering taxes on the wealthy) at Greenspan's suggestion, they then BORROWED billions - perhaps trillions, I can't count that high - from the program which have never been repaid. Nice move, huh? "Freedom" my patootie - his version of freedom is to leave the poorest and least privileged among us to rot - in that he is in league with 43, for sure. Personal responsibility - that wonderful euphemism for "take care of yourself and the devil take those who can't."

What ever happened to the country I knew which acknowledged responsibility to all of its citizens - which attempted to provide bootstraps for those not born "lucky" and assist those simply unable - like the Vietnam vets homeless even today - to take care of themselves. I was PROUD of that country. And I didn't need a GUN to enjoy the freedoms of "health, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Sure, that's what we need - a wild west of guns in every household - more AK-47s in the hands of idiots who don't know how to manage anger. Ask the millions of battered women in this country how they feel about husbands with guns - ahhh, no, I forgot, those are just pitiful people who don't know "how to take care of themselves."

Sure, let's turn over our roads, schools and hospitals (oops, hospitals have already been "turned" - once upon a time they were NON-PROFITS) to private enterprise . . . Let's pay tolls instead of taxes. You're GOT to be kidding!

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Ron Paul: Just a Big Anti-Government Rant by the Very Rich
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 5, 2008 1:27 PM   
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Ron Paul is just about one thing, everything for the rich. If you have money under his plans, you can get the best of everything, health care, education and even police protection. Ron Paul would destroy the government protecting and helping the people. It's just a big anti-government rant, forgetting that only because of government do we have a minimum wage, do we have Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, do we have any environmental and consumer protection laws. Ron Paul would also dismantle the Federal Reserve and the Securities and Exchange Commission, resulting in big business
fiascos that make the past S&L scandal and the current sup-prime crisis look like walks in the park. Want to know what Ron Paul would make America into: take a look at Mexico and the third world. The rich would live in private, walled off compounds with their own security guards, while the other 95% lived in the surrounding slums. Not the America any of us, except the very rich, should be aspiring towards. Face it, government is the only thing that protects the 99% of the American people from the top 1%. A top 1% that owns over 1/3rd of the wealth of America.

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