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After Iowa, Huckabee Softens His Christian Image
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Huckabee's campaign featured a glowing cross in one television commercial and the ancient Christian symbol of a fish as the backdrop in another. And he slipped Biblical quotes and paraphrases into his campaign rap -- even suggesting when he pulled an attack ad that he did so because "we want to do unto others as we wish they would do unto us."
It worked in Iowa, where evangelical Christians have been prime players in Republican politics for three decades.
A CNN survey of Republican caucusgoers Thursday found that six in 10 identified themselves as "born-again" Christians. Huckabee won the support of 46 percent of them, while just 19 percent backed Romney.
So it was that, while he was outspent by what he estimated to be a 15-1 margin, and while he faced a withering attacks from rival Mitt Romney's camp and independent groups, Huckabee was able to hold his position and score a remarkable statewide win in Iowa.
Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley, a Republican who did not endorse a candidate, bluntly said after Huckabee beat Romney by 10 points that the victory of the former Arkansas governor could be attributed to "loyalty from evangelical Christians."
To Grassley's view, Huckabee's scripture-sampling campaign was a smooth "fit" with Iowa evangelicals -- both stylistically and emotionally.
But now the campaign moves to New Hampshire, a state where the religious right has never enjoyed a political foothold. New Hampshire Republicans are anti-tax and anti-government crusaders, but they have never been Christian crusaders.
They also vote in a primary, as opposed to caucuses that favor campaigns with committed supporters who are willing to give not just a vote but a full evening to the cause.
So the Huckabee campaign is retooling itself fast.
Suddenly, the "Christian leader" is just a "leader."
Huckabee arrived in New Hampshire Friday morning with new literature that drops the religious references used in Iowa and plans for a television advertising campaign that will eschew the crosses and fish that meant so much to his Iowa base.
Huckabee is nothing if not consistent. Sure, he losing the religious trappings that served him well in Iowa, but he's remaining every bit the crassly calculating and cynically manipulative politician that he has proven himself to be from the start of this campaign.
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Posted by: dayenta on Jan 4, 2008 8:57 AM
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Jan 4, 2008 9:20 AM
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So this guy is born again christian southern baptist minister for one day, then the he tries to convince everyone to portray him as a "normal" pro-war, hard liner no-tax conservative the next....are US citizens that naive?
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Posted by: rtmyth on Jan 4, 2008 10:08 AM
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Jan 4, 2008 11:18 AM
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What a shock again: Huckabee is tailoring his message to fit his audience. (He stated plainly he was doing this: "You have to scratch what itches," to paraphrase.)
The tragedy of articles by religio-phobes such as this writer is that they attack people like Huckabee because of who they are. The author is so blinded by his fear of faith that he trashes the candidate, not on the issues he espouses, but on the religion he professes.
I doubt I am voting for Huckabee, not because he is a Christian (I am, too) but because he has not framed his views of Labor in a way that satisfies me. Nor does he have a health care plan that comes close to what is needed. Edwards is better on both these points.
Most Americans are comfortable with honest professions of faith, and most of us know that politicians tailor their remarks to reach their audience.
But you are so blinded by your fear of faith, Mister Socially Liberal Nation Writer that you must attack this candidate on the basis of his.
Get over your socially liberal little self, Mister Nation Writer.
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Posted by: Libertine on Jan 4, 2008 11:29 AM
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If Huckabee is elected, he'll do all in his power to take us further down the road to theocracy that Bush started.
No thanks.
I'd vote for Homer Simpson before I'd vote for Huckabee.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jan 4, 2008 11:56 AM
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Should he win the Nomination I think that the Dems should " Willy Horton " him for his release convicted rapist Wayne Dormond who went on to rape and murder in Missouri .Huck claims that he felt that Dormond had repented and was concerned for his safety because he had been attacked and castrated in Prison . EXCEPT here's the problem : the attack took place prior to his incarciration and Huck was sooo confident of Dormond's repentence and rehabilitation that as a condition of his release Dormond was required to LEAVE the state . Of course Dormond was White unlike Willy Horton but other than that the circumstances seem pretty much the same .
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Posted by: doodahman on Jan 4, 2008 3:26 PM
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Riiiiiiiiight. Look, geniuses. If you haven't noticed, the evangelicals are stealing your agenda and, unlike us progressives, they have the organization, manpower, drive and values to actually implement it. They are increasingly gravitating toward a focus on social justice, environmental responsibility, and peacemaking. See, that's what their religion is actually all about.
Now, I know a lot of you are confused, because for a long time, evil, greed driven, power mad bastards have been at the forefront of the public face of evangelicism. You know, like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were the annointed face of Black Power. Problem is, they ain't.
The reality is that the evangelicals follow their local preachers and pastors, and those folks are on the frontline of social justice. They see the poverty, they see the injustice, they see the death and destruction of war because it affects their flocks far more directly than it does a bunch of ivory tower psuedo intellectuals. And (get this!), they operate from a manifesto that demands social justice, mercy, charity and above all, a respect for all life. What commie bastards, huh?
Sure, they aren't going to let gays get married (oh boy, no marriage-- believe me, my gay friends, marriage ain't all that). And no, they aren't going to let your thirteen year old daughter get an abortion on demand. But you know, that stuff will work itself out because, God knows, the majority of folks need their gay marriages and their abortions.
But to see you people savage evangelicals when you don't have the foggiest notion of what they experience and what grounds them, is embarrassing as a progressive. Hell, I'm a renegade Roman Catholic progressive and even I can see the good values that those people have and that Huckabee, imperfectly, espouses.
He's a populist, people. He and his supporters are our natural allies on the big issues. So get over your gay loving, abortion mongering selves and come in for the big win.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Jan 4, 2008 4:18 PM
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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner?
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
If my lie increases the glory that God receives by showing that God is truthful, why am I still judged as a sinner?
King James Bible
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
American Standard Version
But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
Bible in Basic English
But if, because I am untrue, God being seen to be true gets more glory, why am I to be judged as a sinner?
Douay-Rheims Bible
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie, unto his glory, why am I also yet judged as a sinner?
Darby Bible Translation
For if the truth of God, in my lie, has more abounded to his glory, why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Etc, etc. Blah, blah, blah
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What's the point here? Huckleberry knows he has a pass to LIE his way into the heart of the GOP. After all, the GOP is now dominated by Christian reconstructionists.
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Jan 5, 2008 11:25 AM
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Newsweek's latest edition has an article on polarization in US politics: the demonizing and marginalizing of opposition views. The outright paranoia on both right and left.
The article asserts that only about 20% of Americans remain active in politics and these tend to be the hardcore flaks of the right/left divide.
It's not enough to respect or at least tolerate someone elses's views. We are required to embrace, "honor" and submit to them, be they the assertions of left or right or some other unknown dimension.
So the wingnuts shriek and babble about bedroom politics, guns and religion while the disenfranchised majority scratch their heads, wonder what that has to do with paying the rent, and go back to ESPN.
The scary part is this: in an ever-more strident and divided America, the wingnuts increasingly assert power and influence. They're the only ones who thrive in this poisoned environment.
The rest of us may say, "a pox on both their houses," but the fact is, it's our house they're looting, vandalizing and generally stinking up.
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Posted by: carl baydala on Jan 6, 2008 11:48 AM
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Pat Robertson tried it and he failed. And, thank God for that. God truly does work in mysterious ways. He seems to have a handle on right and wrong. But, he did make one mistake in letting George Bush slip through the cracks. But, then again, I do not think George Bush is a Christian anyway. It is just something political he does to get elected.
But, my point is that the U.S. really is a Christian nation. That is good thing if you are a Christian I suppose, but not such a good thing for the rest of us who have to endure all of the madness associated with the religion.
If you think madness is an explosive characterization then you truly are religious and at the mercy of the believers, or more particularly, the leaders of the religion.
If the article is true and Huckabee is changing his tune to suit the crowd then what can we make of Christianity if it has to deceive people to be successful? Think about the message that the religion is sending out to the crowd. It is a deceptive religion as practiced. The article is the proof.
The point is the leaders know that they are deceiving and their deception must therefore be contained within the religion, otherwise why would they do it? So, this represents a double whammy for the religion, in my opinion. Its leaders practice deception and the duped or believers in the religion accept the deception and hence remain as equally culpable in the charade know as Christianity.
And, you wonder why something like Atheism stands in such stark contrast to a religion such as Christianity. Because it is the opposite of what the religion sets out to teach us.
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Jan 4, 2008 9:20 AM
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So this guy is born again christian southern baptist minister for one day, then the he tries to convince everyone to portray him as a "normal" pro-war, hard liner no-tax conservative the next....are US citizens that naive?
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Jan 4, 2008 11:18 AM
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What a shock again: Huckabee is tailoring his message to fit his audience. (He stated plainly he was doing this: "You have to scratch what itches," to paraphrase.)
The tragedy of articles by religio-phobes such as this writer is that they attack people like Huckabee because of who they are. The author is so blinded by his fear of faith that he trashes the candidate, not on the issues he espouses, but on the religion he professes.
I doubt I am voting for Huckabee, not because he is a Christian (I am, too) but because he has not framed his views of Labor in a way that satisfies me. Nor does he have a health care plan that comes close to what is needed. Edwards is better on both these points.
Most Americans are comfortable with honest professions of faith, and most of us know that politicians tailor their remarks to reach their audience.
But you are so blinded by your fear of faith, Mister Socially Liberal Nation Writer that you must attack this candidate on the basis of his.
Get over your socially liberal little self, Mister Nation Writer.
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Posted by: Libertine on Jan 4, 2008 11:29 AM
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If Huckabee is elected, he'll do all in his power to take us further down the road to theocracy that Bush started.
No thanks.
I'd vote for Homer Simpson before I'd vote for Huckabee.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jan 4, 2008 11:56 AM
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Should he win the Nomination I think that the Dems should " Willy Horton " him for his release convicted rapist Wayne Dormond who went on to rape and murder in Missouri .Huck claims that he felt that Dormond had repented and was concerned for his safety because he had been attacked and castrated in Prison . EXCEPT here's the problem : the attack took place prior to his incarciration and Huck was sooo confident of Dormond's repentence and rehabilitation that as a condition of his release Dormond was required to LEAVE the state . Of course Dormond was White unlike Willy Horton but other than that the circumstances seem pretty much the same .
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Posted by: doodahman on Jan 4, 2008 3:26 PM
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Riiiiiiiiight. Look, geniuses. If you haven't noticed, the evangelicals are stealing your agenda and, unlike us progressives, they have the organization, manpower, drive and values to actually implement it. They are increasingly gravitating toward a focus on social justice, environmental responsibility, and peacemaking. See, that's what their religion is actually all about.
Now, I know a lot of you are confused, because for a long time, evil, greed driven, power mad bastards have been at the forefront of the public face of evangelicism. You know, like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were the annointed face of Black Power. Problem is, they ain't.
The reality is that the evangelicals follow their local preachers and pastors, and those folks are on the frontline of social justice. They see the poverty, they see the injustice, they see the death and destruction of war because it affects their flocks far more directly than it does a bunch of ivory tower psuedo intellectuals. And (get this!), they operate from a manifesto that demands social justice, mercy, charity and above all, a respect for all life. What commie bastards, huh?
Sure, they aren't going to let gays get married (oh boy, no marriage-- believe me, my gay friends, marriage ain't all that). And no, they aren't going to let your thirteen year old daughter get an abortion on demand. But you know, that stuff will work itself out because, God knows, the majority of folks need their gay marriages and their abortions.
But to see you people savage evangelicals when you don't have the foggiest notion of what they experience and what grounds them, is embarrassing as a progressive. Hell, I'm a renegade Roman Catholic progressive and even I can see the good values that those people have and that Huckabee, imperfectly, espouses.
He's a populist, people. He and his supporters are our natural allies on the big issues. So get over your gay loving, abortion mongering selves and come in for the big win.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Jan 4, 2008 4:18 PM
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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner?
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
If my lie increases the glory that God receives by showing that God is truthful, why am I still judged as a sinner?
King James Bible
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
American Standard Version
But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
Bible in Basic English
But if, because I am untrue, God being seen to be true gets more glory, why am I to be judged as a sinner?
Douay-Rheims Bible
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie, unto his glory, why am I also yet judged as a sinner?
Darby Bible Translation
For if the truth of God, in my lie, has more abounded to his glory, why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Etc, etc. Blah, blah, blah
=====================
What's the point here? Huckleberry knows he has a pass to LIE his way into the heart of the GOP. After all, the GOP is now dominated by Christian reconstructionists.
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Jan 5, 2008 11:25 AM
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Newsweek's latest edition has an article on polarization in US politics: the demonizing and marginalizing of opposition views. The outright paranoia on both right and left.
The article asserts that only about 20% of Americans remain active in politics and these tend to be the hardcore flaks of the right/left divide.
It's not enough to respect or at least tolerate someone elses's views. We are required to embrace, "honor" and submit to them, be they the assertions of left or right or some other unknown dimension.
So the wingnuts shriek and babble about bedroom politics, guns and religion while the disenfranchised majority scratch their heads, wonder what that has to do with paying the rent, and go back to ESPN.
The scary part is this: in an ever-more strident and divided America, the wingnuts increasingly assert power and influence. They're the only ones who thrive in this poisoned environment.
The rest of us may say, "a pox on both their houses," but the fact is, it's our house they're looting, vandalizing and generally stinking up.
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Posted by: carl baydala on Jan 6, 2008 11:48 AM
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Pat Robertson tried it and he failed. And, thank God for that. God truly does work in mysterious ways. He seems to have a handle on right and wrong. But, he did make one mistake in letting George Bush slip through the cracks. But, then again, I do not think George Bush is a Christian anyway. It is just something political he does to get elected.
But, my point is that the U.S. really is a Christian nation. That is good thing if you are a Christian I suppose, but not such a good thing for the rest of us who have to endure all of the madness associated with the religion.
If you think madness is an explosive characterization then you truly are religious and at the mercy of the believers, or more particularly, the leaders of the religion.
If the article is true and Huckabee is changing his tune to suit the crowd then what can we make of Christianity if it has to deceive people to be successful? Think about the message that the religion is sending out to the crowd. It is a deceptive religion as practiced. The article is the proof.
The point is the leaders know that they are deceiving and their deception must therefore be contained within the religion, otherwise why would they do it? So, this represents a double whammy for the religion, in my opinion. Its leaders practice deception and the duped or believers in the religion accept the deception and hence remain as equally culpable in the charade know as Christianity.
And, you wonder why something like Atheism stands in such stark contrast to a religion such as Christianity. Because it is the opposite of what the religion sets out to teach us.
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