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Should Big Media Choose Our Candidates?
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Now we find Big Media, (specifically its Fox/ABC News wing,) determined to narrow the field of presidential candidates before any of us, other than a handful of white people in Iowa, even get a chance to vote!
Both television networks plan to winnow out presidential candidates they deem unacceptable and prevent them from participating in important debates to be held this weekend -- just before the crucial New Hampshire primary.
Fox has invited just five of the seven remaining Republican candidates to a forum with Chris Wallace scheduled for Sunday in the Granite State -- only two days before the nation's first presidential primary. Although Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and even the barely breathing Fred Thompson were all invited, two current candidates, both current Members of Congress, were not -- Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul.
The Fox excuse? "Space is limited" in the "souped-up bus" that is serving as a mobile studio. As a result, Fox executives say that, for space reasons, they decided only to invite those candidates who had received double-digit support in recent polls. Forget the fact that Ron Paul actually is ahead of Thompson (6 percent to 4 percent) among all New Hampshire voters in the most recent Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, or that the two were tied with the support of 4 percent of likely voters ...
Forget as well the fact that Paul recently shattered the record for online fundraising in a single day, raising nearly $6 million in 24 hours -- a little more than a month after he amazed the pollsters, pundits and political professionals by hauling in $4.3 million during the same time span. (Not bad considering that on the day that John Kerry accepted the 2004 Democratic nomination, he raised $5.7 million on the Internet -- the biggest online fundraising day on record until the supposedly non-viable Ron Paul surpassed it.)
But consider at least these facts: in just the last three months, Paul collected more than $19.5 million, bringing his total for the year to more than $25 million. More than 130,000 contributors gave to Paul during the fourth quarter, including more than 107,000 new donors.
"This is exciting. It's crazy. I can't imagine any other Republican raising this kind of money this quarter. This means Ron Paul's message is really resonating with people," Jim Forsythe, who leads Paul's New Hampshire MeetUp group, told the Washington Post.
But Big Media doesn't seem as impressed -- at least now. Remember just a few months ago, however, when how much money a candidate was able to raise was the Big Media imprimatur of viability? Now that Ron Paul has vaulted near the top of the fundraisers, it seems the bar is being moved, and is set a little higher for him.
Could it be instead that his stance on the issues is the real barrier to letting American voters see and hear him debate on Fox News just before the crucial first presidential primary takes place? After all, it's no secret that Paul's outspoken opposition to the Iraq war, to mention just one 'deviant' policy position, is what really sets him apart from all the other Republican candidates.
Paul's spokesman Jesse Benton says the campaign has been trying to reach Fox News representatives to get an explanation for the decision, but calls have not been returned. (Meanwhile Rudy Guiliani has appeared so often on the Fox News channel -- run by his close friend Roger Ailes -- that it's rumored he's having a private line installed in the Control Room there.)
Is Fox prejudiced against Paul because of his perceived lack of viability -- or his policy stances? "There very well might be some bias," Benton told the AP. "Ron brings up some topics that aren't very popular with Fox News, as in fiscal responsibility and withdrawing from the war in Iraq ... that does leave us scratching our heads a little bit about whether it was deliberate. Based on metrics, I don't see how you can possibly exclude Dr. Paul."
Based on metrics, you can't ... And if the small size of the mobile studio is really the issue, I'll gladly chip in to help rent a larger space if necessary. But if Ron Paul isn't added back into the debate, I'll also gladly join his supporters, who have begun calling for a boycott of Fox advertisers. After all, whatever happened to "We Report, You Decide?"
For their part, ABC executives say they will decide who gets to show up for their back-to-back, primetime Republican and Democratic debates Saturday in New Hampshire -- but only after the results of Thursday's Iowa caucus are known. To participate in the ABC debates, Republican and Democratic candidates must either place first through fourth in Iowa, poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four major New Hampshire surveys, or poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four major national surveys.
ABC News anchorman Charles Gibson defended the network's decision to determine who was a viable candidate before any actual voters -- except for Iowa caucus-goers -- even had a chance to cast a ballot, and contended that the new 'viability' criteria were still inclusive. "You will have had a year's politicking," Gibson told the Associated Press. "You will have had, I think by count, about 641 debates. You will have had national polls and state polls and one state's vote. I think that's pretty indicative."
Sorry, Charlie -- but nobody asked what you think. Once every four years, you're supposed to ask us what we think. You report, remember. We decide, right?
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Posted by: Rod on Jan 3, 2008 1:03 PM
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» That ten percent Ron got was double what he had a week ago.
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» RE: Like we got to choose anyway
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Posted by: brunowe on Jan 3, 2008 1:10 PM
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jan 3, 2008 1:36 PM
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"Mean temperatures were above average across Australia every month last year except June and December. Recognizing the threat from climate change, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd ratified the Kyoto climate pact as his first official act after he was sworn into office early last month."
That means the United States is the last holdout not to ratify Kyoto.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 3, 2008 2:54 PM
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Disney's ownership structure ties right into the heart of British and U.S. finance - the top institutional holders include Fidelity, State Street, Barclays, Vanguard, etc - the biggest finaciers on the planet.
If you look at the ownership of Big Oil, such as ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, and Halliburton, you find the same names.
If you look into the ownership of investment banks like Goldman Sachs and Bank of America, and Citigroup, you also find the same names.
Weapons manufacturers? Ditto: Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grumann - the same names just keep showing up.
Let's try Big Pharma: Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson? Check.
Big Agribusiness? Nothing but the same: Archer Daniels Midland.
Getting back to FOX News, do we see any similarities? Sure we do.
So, when we talk about megacorporate control of U.S. elections, that's what we are talking about. The executives at Disney and ABC and Newscorp are elected by a small group of people who have done very, very well under the Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush regimes. They have a serious vested interest in keeping candidates like Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul, who point to their anti-democracy agenda, out of the public spotlight.
The only major candidate who they can't kick out who does point to their dishonest and corrupt agenda is John Edwards. You can bet that he'll be given the least time to answer questions - and the questions will of course be scripted and slanted in the pro-corporate direction.
The major corporate agenda is a bit more sinister than that, however. They are pushing for the selection of Hillary Clinton because they know that she is the Democratic candidate most likely to be beaten by a Republican tool (their favorite would be Mitt Romney). Clinton, out of personal ambition, is going right along with the plan.
Analogies to the rise of I.G.Farben and the German Steel Trust in Germany the 1930s are not at all misplaced. Here's a little taste of the history of that era:
""On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)"
"Among the companies financed was the Silesian-American Corporation, which was also managed by Prescott Bush, and by his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, who supplied Dub-a-Ya with his name. The company was vital in supplying coal to the Nazi war industry. It too was seized as a Nazi-front on November 17, 1942. The largest company Bush's UBC helped finance was the German Steel Trust, responsible for between one-third and one-half of Nazi iron and explosives."
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Posted by: masterjc on Jan 3, 2008 3:27 PM
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Jan 3, 2008 3:52 PM
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i know, instead of an election, how bout "we" pick the president via a top chef, top model, top designer "reality tv" format? ...each show could have the candidates write various types of legislation and ..hmm...maybe its not such a bad idea after all...
if they are on the ballot they need to be included in the debates, period.
VOTE KUCINICH the sane alternative to Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton.
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Posted by: informavore on Jan 3, 2008 7:22 PM
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And thus, Charles Gibson defines and defends why it’s okay to exclude legitimate candidates from debates, and defends why it’s okay for mainstream media to tell us who may run and who may “win.” MSM still controls the outcome, in ways both subtle and explicit.
You’re going to have to look quickly tonight to see the undoing of the 2008 compressed primary schedule – it will happen in the blink of MSM talking heads racing to be the first to pre-pre-predict “winners” of tonight’s Iowa caucuses. By the time Wolf Blitzer says, “We’re predicting a winn … “ it’s over. Based on past performances by Faux News and CBS, I was guessing this would occur sometime around 8pm PST. CBS called Obama the winner at 6:57pm. My bad.
Think back over the past year to discussions by pols, pundits and press about how a compressed, front-loaded presidential primary would allow more populous states and “other” regions to have a say in who gets nominated. Okay, sounded fine. But compressing the primary schedule may short circuit the candidates’ attempts to define positions and develop more reasoned plans.
To choose one example, I’d like to hear a lot more debate about why Obama thinks he should use $3 billion of our tax dollars to pay American auto manufacturers to do what Toyota and Honda seem to be doing without a payoff – developing greener, more fuel-efficient cars. What other entire industries should expect a payday of that proportion, coal? Steel? Mining? And how will that fit into his overall health care plan?
But we may not get the benefit of this new primary schedule, because MSM will still have the biggest impact, perhaps the ultimate trump card in the primary process by telling Americans “what it all means.”
In the Iowa caucuses, “winning” is relative to meeting media expectations – expectations they set and then interpret.
Luckily, we’ve got empirical baselines against which to track MSM’s impact on determining the outcome of the primary season, following Iowa. Posted the evening before the Iowa caucus, here are New Hampshire tracking poll numbers:
Clinton Obama Edwards
Suffolk Univ. Poll 37% 20% 16%
Franklin Pierce 32% 28% 19%
Rasmussen 42% 23% 16%
As long as MSM continues to abdicate its journalistic role in favor of infotainment, horse race calling and fascination with “being first," Iowa and New Hampshire will continue to determine our presidential primary outcomes, regardless of a compressed primary schedule.
Isn’t this the very problem that a compressed and front-loaded primary was supposed to “cure,” or mitigate?
It is more important than ever that the blogosphere's better writers provide “on the ground” reports from Iowa to tell us about the realignment explanatory speeches following first round Democratic caucus votes, and not allow the MSM to essentially declare “it’s over” for any candidate. Blog early and often. Light up websites at CNN, MSNBC, and local stations. For every error or prognostication, counter their claim. Use language that can be televised.
Secondly, following Iowa outcomes, don’t attack or nit-pick Democratic candidates you don’t support. Save vitriol for reichwing Republicans. Cheer that a religious fanatic may have won or been stopped! Chortle as Giuliani and Romney stumble. Whatever the outcome, focus frustration on theirs – not ours.
And if you believe a more prolonged primary season can bring about a better vetting of the candidates... the more things change...
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Posted by: Turiye on Jan 3, 2008 10:38 PM
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Which proves your own POINT!!!!
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» Kucinich never ran a serious campaign.
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Posted by: Lector on Jan 4, 2008 12:03 AM
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 4, 2008 5:48 AM
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But we also need a better way to select presidential candidates, and the individual political parties and individual states can have some effect.
Currently, the focus of the primaries is altogether wrong. The purpose of the nominating process should be for a party to find the candidate who has the least negatives - in other words, a consensus candidate that a majority can agree on.
Instead, the current process finds the candidate with the strongest positives - in other words, it chooses the candidate that the largest number of voters have as their first choice (and this often is a small minority of voters).
My proposal is that in primaries, we should each vote for the two candidates we find most acceptable (OK, maybe 3 or 4 if the field of candidates is large, but some fixed number).
This approach would help to find the consensus candidate, but it would also provide some resistance to the media's urge to narrow the field and turn each contest into a two-person horserace. If each voter is to vote for two or three candidates then there is little justification for narrowing the field to two or three candidates.
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Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 4, 2008 8:14 AM
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You dont have it regulated?
You are indeed controlled by economical conglomerates even to that point ?
I think even india as a better democracy than you.
USA has really become third world.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 4, 2008 9:06 AM
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Tell them that if they choose to not report in an evenhanded way you will not lend them your eyes to sell to advertisers. Write the large ad-agencies and inform them of the same. They- not the sponsors- do most of the ad buying on TV.
BTW- encourage them to buy time on Air America and other radio/TV that handles things more evenly.
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Jan 4, 2008 10:50 AM
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Jan 4, 2008 3:44 PM
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Nothing will do more to energize his supporters -- and bring new supporters to his cause -- than this kind of blatant suppression.
Millions more dollars will flow to his campaign from outraged Americans who want to see and hear Ron Paul’s great message of peace, liberty, and free markets.
His absence will speak more loudly to millions of Americans than even his presence would.
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Posted by: Morgaine Swann on Jan 4, 2008 6:37 PM
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Is it going to take a revolution to get this country back on track? If so, let's get on with it. I can't take another stolen election.
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Posted by: LookOut on Jan 4, 2008 7:01 PM
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In other words, aside from de facto corporate monopoly control of the few companies that supply and control MSM overclass propaganda – the truth is far dirtier.
Of course HW Bush claimed “Mockingbird” was dismantled under his cooked guidance. Even if true that’s hardly a guarantee the program wasn’t renamed and shuffled to the NSA or some other black ops Washington closet.
“The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.”
Doctor Albert Einstein (Nobel Laureate refugee from Fascism. 1879-1955)
"Our Western history is every bit as distorted, censored and largely useless as that of Hitler's Germany or the Soviet Union or Communist China..."
Antony Sutton (Professor Economics at California State University, Los Angeles and a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. “America’sSecret Establishment” 1983. 1925-2002)
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 4, 2008 7:49 PM
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I wish cranky Democrats would stop whinging about Ralph Nader costing Gore the election. He didn't run in 2004 and Kerry lost to Bush due to DIEBOLD voting machines and widespread election fraud. If all the hundreds of thousands of black voters who were denied their right to vote, had been allowed to vote, then Gore/Kerry would have won the election. It wasn't Nader who "spoiled" the election for Democrats.
I feel very powerless against all of this, so I decided if all I can do is volunteer to be a Precinct Poll Center Clerk on Election Day then I will at least be doing something to fulfill my civic duty. The more that citizens get involved in the election, the more hope I have we can actually have an HONEST election.
Here in California, Deborah Bowen, Registar of Voters/Secretary of State banned Diebold voting machines and decertified them because they are so easy to hack into. This gives me some hope since California can swing an election - Pennsyvalnia, Texas, New York and the "swing states" will make the difference.
The media already picked out Hillary and Guiliani as the winners of the election and THAT notion clearly was off base. Rudy's candidacy is dead in the water because of the sex scandal - using NY city tax dollars for illicit weekend trysts with his mistress. Hillary is so disliked and viewed as an Old Guard Washington insider power broker - voters don't LIKE her which is why she tanked in Iowa.
It really irritates me when the media decides for us who our next president will be, but with their crappy ability to predict elections, maybe there is SOME hope?
I was going to vote for John Edwards, but changed my mind now that Obama is doing so well. I can't stand Hillary Clinton and will move to Canada if she is elected, so I am going to vote for Obama in the California primary.
The same crap they said about Hillary "America is not ready for a woman president" is being said about Obama "nobody is ready for a black president". What planet are they are? America is ready for an incompetent, crypto fascist president for the last 7 years, but eveidentially we can't handle a black man or a woman in the White House?
Voters are FED UP with Bush running our nation into the ground. Obama could be our next president as long as no election fraud with Diebold voting machines.
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Posted by: Rod on Jan 3, 2008 1:03 PM
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BFD
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» That ten percent Ron got was double what he had a week ago.
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» RE: Like we got to choose anyway
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Posted by: brunowe on Jan 3, 2008 1:10 PM
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jan 3, 2008 1:36 PM
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"Mean temperatures were above average across Australia every month last year except June and December. Recognizing the threat from climate change, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd ratified the Kyoto climate pact as his first official act after he was sworn into office early last month."
That means the United States is the last holdout not to ratify Kyoto.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 3, 2008 2:54 PM
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Disney's ownership structure ties right into the heart of British and U.S. finance - the top institutional holders include Fidelity, State Street, Barclays, Vanguard, etc - the biggest finaciers on the planet.
If you look at the ownership of Big Oil, such as ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, and Halliburton, you find the same names.
If you look into the ownership of investment banks like Goldman Sachs and Bank of America, and Citigroup, you also find the same names.
Weapons manufacturers? Ditto: Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grumann - the same names just keep showing up.
Let's try Big Pharma: Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson? Check.
Big Agribusiness? Nothing but the same: Archer Daniels Midland.
Getting back to FOX News, do we see any similarities? Sure we do.
So, when we talk about megacorporate control of U.S. elections, that's what we are talking about. The executives at Disney and ABC and Newscorp are elected by a small group of people who have done very, very well under the Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush regimes. They have a serious vested interest in keeping candidates like Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul, who point to their anti-democracy agenda, out of the public spotlight.
The only major candidate who they can't kick out who does point to their dishonest and corrupt agenda is John Edwards. You can bet that he'll be given the least time to answer questions - and the questions will of course be scripted and slanted in the pro-corporate direction.
The major corporate agenda is a bit more sinister than that, however. They are pushing for the selection of Hillary Clinton because they know that she is the Democratic candidate most likely to be beaten by a Republican tool (their favorite would be Mitt Romney). Clinton, out of personal ambition, is going right along with the plan.
Analogies to the rise of I.G.Farben and the German Steel Trust in Germany the 1930s are not at all misplaced. Here's a little taste of the history of that era:
""On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)"
"Among the companies financed was the Silesian-American Corporation, which was also managed by Prescott Bush, and by his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, who supplied Dub-a-Ya with his name. The company was vital in supplying coal to the Nazi war industry. It too was seized as a Nazi-front on November 17, 1942. The largest company Bush's UBC helped finance was the German Steel Trust, responsible for between one-third and one-half of Nazi iron and explosives."
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Posted by: masterjc on Jan 3, 2008 3:27 PM
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» You need to look harder... he has grassroots support.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Jan 3, 2008 3:52 PM
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i know, instead of an election, how bout "we" pick the president via a top chef, top model, top designer "reality tv" format? ...each show could have the candidates write various types of legislation and ..hmm...maybe its not such a bad idea after all...
if they are on the ballot they need to be included in the debates, period.
VOTE KUCINICH the sane alternative to Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton.
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Posted by: informavore on Jan 3, 2008 7:22 PM
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And thus, Charles Gibson defines and defends why it’s okay to exclude legitimate candidates from debates, and defends why it’s okay for mainstream media to tell us who may run and who may “win.” MSM still controls the outcome, in ways both subtle and explicit.
You’re going to have to look quickly tonight to see the undoing of the 2008 compressed primary schedule – it will happen in the blink of MSM talking heads racing to be the first to pre-pre-predict “winners” of tonight’s Iowa caucuses. By the time Wolf Blitzer says, “We’re predicting a winn … “ it’s over. Based on past performances by Faux News and CBS, I was guessing this would occur sometime around 8pm PST. CBS called Obama the winner at 6:57pm. My bad.
Think back over the past year to discussions by pols, pundits and press about how a compressed, front-loaded presidential primary would allow more populous states and “other” regions to have a say in who gets nominated. Okay, sounded fine. But compressing the primary schedule may short circuit the candidates’ attempts to define positions and develop more reasoned plans.
To choose one example, I’d like to hear a lot more debate about why Obama thinks he should use $3 billion of our tax dollars to pay American auto manufacturers to do what Toyota and Honda seem to be doing without a payoff – developing greener, more fuel-efficient cars. What other entire industries should expect a payday of that proportion, coal? Steel? Mining? And how will that fit into his overall health care plan?
But we may not get the benefit of this new primary schedule, because MSM will still have the biggest impact, perhaps the ultimate trump card in the primary process by telling Americans “what it all means.”
In the Iowa caucuses, “winning” is relative to meeting media expectations – expectations they set and then interpret.
Luckily, we’ve got empirical baselines against which to track MSM’s impact on determining the outcome of the primary season, following Iowa. Posted the evening before the Iowa caucus, here are New Hampshire tracking poll numbers:
Clinton Obama Edwards
Suffolk Univ. Poll 37% 20% 16%
Franklin Pierce 32% 28% 19%
Rasmussen 42% 23% 16%
As long as MSM continues to abdicate its journalistic role in favor of infotainment, horse race calling and fascination with “being first," Iowa and New Hampshire will continue to determine our presidential primary outcomes, regardless of a compressed primary schedule.
Isn’t this the very problem that a compressed and front-loaded primary was supposed to “cure,” or mitigate?
It is more important than ever that the blogosphere's better writers provide “on the ground” reports from Iowa to tell us about the realignment explanatory speeches following first round Democratic caucus votes, and not allow the MSM to essentially declare “it’s over” for any candidate. Blog early and often. Light up websites at CNN, MSNBC, and local stations. For every error or prognostication, counter their claim. Use language that can be televised.
Secondly, following Iowa outcomes, don’t attack or nit-pick Democratic candidates you don’t support. Save vitriol for reichwing Republicans. Cheer that a religious fanatic may have won or been stopped! Chortle as Giuliani and Romney stumble. Whatever the outcome, focus frustration on theirs – not ours.
And if you believe a more prolonged primary season can bring about a better vetting of the candidates... the more things change...
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» AND Boycott all Faux News Advertisers and its parent companies....
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Posted by: Turiye on Jan 3, 2008 10:38 PM
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Which proves your own POINT!!!!
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» Kucinich never ran a serious campaign.
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Posted by: Lector on Jan 4, 2008 12:03 AM
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 4, 2008 5:48 AM
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But we also need a better way to select presidential candidates, and the individual political parties and individual states can have some effect.
Currently, the focus of the primaries is altogether wrong. The purpose of the nominating process should be for a party to find the candidate who has the least negatives - in other words, a consensus candidate that a majority can agree on.
Instead, the current process finds the candidate with the strongest positives - in other words, it chooses the candidate that the largest number of voters have as their first choice (and this often is a small minority of voters).
My proposal is that in primaries, we should each vote for the two candidates we find most acceptable (OK, maybe 3 or 4 if the field of candidates is large, but some fixed number).
This approach would help to find the consensus candidate, but it would also provide some resistance to the media's urge to narrow the field and turn each contest into a two-person horserace. If each voter is to vote for two or three candidates then there is little justification for narrowing the field to two or three candidates.
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Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 4, 2008 8:14 AM
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You dont have it regulated?
You are indeed controlled by economical conglomerates even to that point ?
I think even india as a better democracy than you.
USA has really become third world.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 4, 2008 9:06 AM
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Tell them that if they choose to not report in an evenhanded way you will not lend them your eyes to sell to advertisers. Write the large ad-agencies and inform them of the same. They- not the sponsors- do most of the ad buying on TV.
BTW- encourage them to buy time on Air America and other radio/TV that handles things more evenly.
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Jan 4, 2008 10:50 AM
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namaste
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Jan 4, 2008 3:44 PM
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Nothing will do more to energize his supporters -- and bring new supporters to his cause -- than this kind of blatant suppression.
Millions more dollars will flow to his campaign from outraged Americans who want to see and hear Ron Paul’s great message of peace, liberty, and free markets.
His absence will speak more loudly to millions of Americans than even his presence would.
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Posted by: Morgaine Swann on Jan 4, 2008 6:37 PM
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Is it going to take a revolution to get this country back on track? If so, let's get on with it. I can't take another stolen election.
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Posted by: LookOut on Jan 4, 2008 7:01 PM
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In other words, aside from de facto corporate monopoly control of the few companies that supply and control MSM overclass propaganda – the truth is far dirtier.
Of course HW Bush claimed “Mockingbird” was dismantled under his cooked guidance. Even if true that’s hardly a guarantee the program wasn’t renamed and shuffled to the NSA or some other black ops Washington closet.
“The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.”
Doctor Albert Einstein (Nobel Laureate refugee from Fascism. 1879-1955)
"Our Western history is every bit as distorted, censored and largely useless as that of Hitler's Germany or the Soviet Union or Communist China..."
Antony Sutton (Professor Economics at California State University, Los Angeles and a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. “America’sSecret Establishment” 1983. 1925-2002)
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 4, 2008 7:49 PM
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I wish cranky Democrats would stop whinging about Ralph Nader costing Gore the election. He didn't run in 2004 and Kerry lost to Bush due to DIEBOLD voting machines and widespread election fraud. If all the hundreds of thousands of black voters who were denied their right to vote, had been allowed to vote, then Gore/Kerry would have won the election. It wasn't Nader who "spoiled" the election for Democrats.
I feel very powerless against all of this, so I decided if all I can do is volunteer to be a Precinct Poll Center Clerk on Election Day then I will at least be doing something to fulfill my civic duty. The more that citizens get involved in the election, the more hope I have we can actually have an HONEST election.
Here in California, Deborah Bowen, Registar of Voters/Secretary of State banned Diebold voting machines and decertified them because they are so easy to hack into. This gives me some hope since California can swing an election - Pennsyvalnia, Texas, New York and the "swing states" will make the difference.
The media already picked out Hillary and Guiliani as the winners of the election and THAT notion clearly was off base. Rudy's candidacy is dead in the water because of the sex scandal - using NY city tax dollars for illicit weekend trysts with his mistress. Hillary is so disliked and viewed as an Old Guard Washington insider power broker - voters don't LIKE her which is why she tanked in Iowa.
It really irritates me when the media decides for us who our next president will be, but with their crappy ability to predict elections, maybe there is SOME hope?
I was going to vote for John Edwards, but changed my mind now that Obama is doing so well. I can't stand Hillary Clinton and will move to Canada if she is elected, so I am going to vote for Obama in the California primary.
The same crap they said about Hillary "America is not ready for a woman president" is being said about Obama "nobody is ready for a black president". What planet are they are? America is ready for an incompetent, crypto fascist president for the last 7 years, but eveidentially we can't handle a black man or a woman in the White House?
Voters are FED UP with Bush running our nation into the ground. Obama could be our next president as long as no election fraud with Diebold voting machines.
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