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The Poor Get Diabetes, the Rich Get Local and Organic
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As a class, lower income people have been well represented in some of the best-covered food stories of our day, particularly hunger, obesity, and diabetes. As these issues have faded in and out of the public's eye over the last 25 years, another food trend was rapidly becoming a national obsession -- namely, local and organic.
At about the same time that Berkeley diva Alice Waters was first showing us how to bestow style and grace on something as ordinary as a local tomato, the Reagan administration's anti-poor policies were driving an unprecedented number of people into soup kitchens and food banks. And as organic food advocates were putting the finishing touches on what was to become the first national standard for organic food, supermarket chains were nailing plywood across their city store windows bidding farewell to lower income America.
Organic food and agriculture had barely climbed out of the bassinet in 1989 when 60 Minutes ran its now famous Alar story. The exposure it received before 40 million television viewers ignited a firestorm of consumer reaction that eventually made organic food the fastest growing segment of the U.S. food industry.
Yuppie families reacted first. Like every parent since time immemorial, these parents wanted what was best for their children, and the emerging evidence that our food supply was tainted accelerated their desire for the healthiest and safest food possible. Though the research surrounding the health and safety attributes of various foods remained foggy, competing claims opened up a never ending number of consumer options. One's food choices may be vegetarian, vegan, organic, grass-fed, free-range, humanely raised, or some combination of these. As to the source of this food, it could range from "generally local when it's easy to get" to "obsessively local and will eat nothing else."
In low-income circles, however, such food anxieties got little traction. Between getting to a food store where the bananas weren't black and having enough money to buy any food at all, low-income shoppers had little inclination to parse the differences between grass-fed and grass-finished. But this didn't imply that their awareness of organic food was non-existent, nor did it mean that low-income consumers were less likely to buy organic if they had the chance.
Low-Income Shoppers Speak
To better understand a variety of issues, the Hartford Food System, a Connecticut-based non-profit organization that I directed for 24 years, would often meet with low-income families to get their point of view. On one such occasion, we asked eight members of Hartford's Clay/Arsenal neighborhood to discuss local and organic food. Like other impoverished urban neighborhoods, Clay/Arsenal was entirely devoid of good quality food stores, and their residents experienced hunger, obesity, and diabetes at rates that were two to three times the national average. This group was comprised exclusively of Hispanic and African American residents.
First off, the group expressed an immediate consensus that fresh, inexpensive food -- the food they generally preferred -- was unavailable in their neighborhood. Everyone agreed that traveling to a full-line supermarket was a hassle because it required one or two long bus rides or an expensive taxi fare. As a result, they did their major shopping once or twice a month, and when they shopped, price was their most important consideration.
When asked what the word organic meant to them, the residents answered "real food," "natural," "healthy," and "you know what's in it." While they believed that organic food was preferable to food they described as "processed," "full of chemicals," or "toxic," they said that buying organic food wasn't even an option, because it was simply not available to them. One young woman made a point of saying that she didn't trust the environment where she lived or the food she ingested. "Everything gives you cancer these days," she said. Conversely, there was an underlying tone of confidence in the safety and healthfulness of food that they could identify as local and organic.
Their awareness of the benefits of local and organic food was very high. For the elderly, there was the nostalgic association with tastes, places, and times gone by. For those with young children, there was an apprehension that nearly everything associated with their external environment, including food, was a threat. Like parents of all races, education levels, and occupations, these moms wanted what was best for their children as well, even when they knew that what was best was not available to them.
Local and Organic Go Mainstream
"In a burst of new interest in food," spouted Newsweek's 2006 food issue, "Americans are demanding -- and paying for -- the freshest and least chemically treated products available." Whole Foods' John Mackey told the Wall Street Journal, "The organic-food lifestyle is not a fad ... It's a value system, a belief system. It's penetrating into the mainstream."
As we cast our eye over the sheer effulgence of American food, there appears to be no limit to the type and number of food products for those who are motivated by taste, environmental concern, animal welfare, political correctness, or simple virtue. Niman Ranch produces a pork to die for, and costs significantly more than the factory-farmed alternative. Don't want to spend the "best four years of your life" eating swill from the college cafeteria trough? Select from any of hundreds of colleges and universities that are now featuring "sustainable dining" (some inspired by master chef Alice Waters). And when you just can't find anything that satisfies your organic lifestyle where you live, you can always pack up and leave. The New York Times style page featured a number of families who had the financial wherewithal to escape from New York City to the Hudson River valley. Once there, the families "began eating strictly organic foods." One couple said they had moved because the wife was pregnant with their second child and "we decided that the children needed to be in nature."
Sounds pretty good. In fact, it just may be the latest incarnation of the American dream. But what about those who can't escape or afford to eat "strictly organic" or for whom "buying local" means the past-code date, packaged baloney at the neighborhood bodega? How do we fulfill the desire for healthy and sustainably produced food that is increasingly shared by all?
There are two general directions that have shown promise in closing this food gap: one is through private, largely non-profit projects and the other is through public policy. At the Hartford Food System we founded the Holcomb Farm Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) Farm that made an explicit commitment to distribute about 40 percent of its local and organic produce to the city's low-income community. Using a hybrid method of funding, CSAs like the Holcomb Farm (Just Food in New York City and the Western Massachusetts Food Bank in Hadley are other examples) have been organized around the country to ensure that CSAs are not solely the province of a white, bright elite. Other models like the People's Grocery in Oakland are using mobile markets to bring high quality, healthy food into communities that are underserved by supermarkets.
Public policy advocacy has leveraged federal and state funding to provide special farmers' market vouchers to low-income women, children, and elders (Farmers Market Nutrition Program). These small denomination coupons have opened an increasing share of the nation's 4,500 farmers' markets to a wider demographic of shoppers. Along the same lines, a small but steady stream of farmers' markets are installing swipe card machines to enable food stamp recipients to use their electronic benefit transfer (EBT) cards to buy local food. And in what might be the biggest breakthrough yet, the national Women, Infant, and Children Program (WIC) will be implementing a new fruit and vegetable program that is potentially worth hundreds of million dollars to lower income consumers and local farmers.
While it may be some time before we see a Whole Foods open in East Harlem, non-profit organizations like the Philadelphia-based Food Trust have secured millions of dollars in state financing to develop food stores in underserved urban and rural Pennsylvania communities. As part of an overall economic development strategy, these stores are not only providing new sources of healthy and affordable food to low-income families, they are also expanding employment opportunities and the local property tax base.
These projects and policies have inched us closer to bridging the divide between the haves and have-nots, but unless every segment of society rejects the notion that there is one food system for the poor, and one for everyone else, these gains will remain marginal.
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Posted by: shinnam on Jan 9, 2008 1:12 AM
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 9, 2008 1:29 AM
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She wasn't always like this: she once ate out of the hippie handbook: brown rice, curries, salads. But since getting into debt, she has now been going only for the bargains. And now I can see that the bargains kill.
The North American way of life is deeply unhealthy now. People need to live within walking distance of all their services at least (and preferably a short trip away from work). This is what politicians should be talking about; if they gave a stank about human health that is (and we know they don't).
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Posted by: waltermoss on Jan 9, 2008 4:44 AM
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What did they eat? Typical breakfast was wonder bread and margarine, maybe a grilled cheese for lunch and dinner could be a can of corned beef hash or tomato soup w/ American cheese. For restaurants, McDonalds was the place of choice.
What can you do? They like what they like, and are not at all interested in "college boy" eating habits. It's frustrating to see them abusing themselves and getting sick, which sadly they are...but it's their choice.
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Posted by: mjabele on Jan 9, 2008 5:03 AM
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I'm sure a lot of folks will immediately chime in to say that it's possible to buy organic, local, or vegan without burning a hole in one's pocketbook, but I'm not sure I believe that. Our own grocery bill certainly went up significantly when we started buying organic, despite purchasing as many items in bulk as we could and limiting the amount of meat we eat. I've also noticed that the clientele at the supermarkets where we currently shop appear notably more well-heeled than the working class patients I take care of at my office.
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Posted by: kuro_neko on Jan 9, 2008 7:32 AM
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-no fast food
But: pasta, natural pasta sauces, hormone-free cheese (costs less than organic if available), whole grain breads (shop around to find the cheapest that doesn't contain HFCS), natural PB&J, bananas, apples/oranges, natural yogurt, nuts, bulk: lentils, beans, grains, potatoes, onions, brocolli, soda-water instead of soda, organic or hormone-free milk, free-range eggs (cheapest yet healthiest available), look for sales on natural beef/chicken and stock up.
I go to Costco and try to buy all my staples as natural as possible and in bulk. 9 lbs. oatmeal for cheap. I keep my eyes out for organic stuff on sale, or in bulk. 12 packages of organic mac/cheese at Costco. 3 lbs. almonds/walnuts for less than the grocery store. I make banana breads with leftover bananas and I use unbleached flour and sweeten with unsweetened applesauce.
Staples, basics, make from scratch or in crockpot....Big pots of vegetable soups with 1 cup lentils, potatoes, onions, diced tomatoes (organic bought cans in bulk at Costco, S&W brand), cabbage. This soup lasted me 3 days for lunches and part of dinner. Containers of organic broth in bulk at Costco. Much cheaper than individually bought at grocery store.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 9, 2008 7:42 AM
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it's not hard to eat cheap if you buy what is in season.
when strawberries are 6.00 per pound, don't buy them. buy the green beans at 1.69 per pound. when green beans are 4.00 per pound, don't buy them and buy the plums at 1.29 per pound.
being healthy is about eating low on the food chain (grains, fruits, veggies, starches) even if it means eating rice and carrots for 3 days because that is what's on sale.
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Posted by: ailei on Jan 9, 2008 9:02 AM
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*Have several mouths to feed
*Must work long hours for a pittance
*Rely solely on public transportation
*Have no supermarket nearby
*Must either take a cab or beg a ride off a friend with a car to shop once or twice a month
How in the hell do you load your kids up on all those grains and veggies? When are you going to cook? You leave at 7 am and get home at 6 pm. You've been on your feet all day doing some crap job that leaves you exhausted. Seriously, what do you DO? Do you make a pan of hamburger helper that costs 3 bucks for the whole meal, everyone will eat, and that still affords you a tiny modicum of time with your kids, or do you cook for an hour? Oh, and don't forget - you also have to do all your OTHER second shift work - child care, cleaning, laundry, homework assistance.
Empathy? ANYONE? Or maybe even a good imagination? The programs described in the article are encouraging, and they show that there are plenty of inner city families that know very well they cannot provide 'the best' for their children to eat. How hard that must be, knowing day in and day out that you have to make those compromises just to keep bellies full.
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Jan 9, 2008 9:08 AM
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the people in the article seemed more concerned with pesticide, etc. in their food, but that is not what causes obesity or diabetes. eating foods high on the gylcemic index is the bigger problem there. White breads. Yuck. The whiter your bread, the sooner you're dead.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 9, 2008 9:14 AM
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As an active farmer myself (I raise grain crops now, but until 2 years ago I was also a dairy farmer) I have wondered how many people who write these articles (such as the notorius Kathy Freson) really have a clue to what is involved with agriculture and producing food.
If you are living on $500/mo., how are you going to buy that $5 organic tomato or that $4/gal organic milk and pay your heating bills at the same time?
I myself had had some conversations with the organic-vegetarian-vegan-whatever people, and most of them strike me as a bunch of self-righteous spoiled types who have never felt true hunger in their lives or faced the prospect of NOT getting any food in the near future. People who think that driving off to the store in their Lexus to pick up that organic cabbage is a profound act of worship.
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Posted by: audiodef on Jan 9, 2008 10:18 AM
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Keeping things local and organic means an end to a lot of things that are hurting us - pollution, global warming, and needless suffering from hunger and homelessness. There is NO reason for this species not to have local communities supporting themselves on less monetary bases while still maintaining links with other communities and having all the technological innovation we want for the common good.
Geez.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Jan 9, 2008 11:32 AM
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I suspect that most of these potentially nourishing foods for people are used to make pet foods.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 9, 2008 11:35 AM
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Although it’s not obvious to consumers, large corporations own many popular organic food brands. For example, Silk soymilk and Horizon dairy products are produced by Dean Foods, the nation’s largest milk producer. viii ix The corporate takeover of organic food is further encouraged by Wal-Mart, as it recently expanded their organic food sales in spring 2006.x Such corporate involvement does not only threaten the existence of small sustainable farmers, but also deteriorates the quality of organic food and makes it harder for small organic farms to compete.
Corporate-owned organic brands can push down the prices of organic products because they’re willing to cut corners in the production process and share a smaller portion of their profits with the farmers. They’ll confine dairy cows most of the year and sacrifice animal welfare,xiwhich allows them to sell their “organic” milk at low prices that small organic farms with higher standards can’t match.
This problem is aggravated by agribusiness’ push to weaken USDA organic standards. In 2005, agribusiness lobbied the Congress to pass a bill that allows for the use of 38 synthetic food substances in the processing and handling of certified organic foods. xiiThe new rule requires consumers to pay more attention to the ingredients of organic food products and to pay more attention to the difference between various organic foods and brands.
P.S.: Don't let the motherfucking ass--licking-Wall$treet fake "libertarians" or for that matter rightwing social fundies fool you otherwise.
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Posted by: johngary on Jan 9, 2008 12:55 PM
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Talk about genocide. God may love the poor, but the rich sure dont.
And by the way, anthropologists claim the first sign of civilization in culture is when the society starts looking after its sick and aged!!
Did anyone notice how uncivilized the rich are? And we are upposed to worry about the Babarians at the gate. Hmmm arent they already here?
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As one travels further north, where everything has to be flown-in such as in Barrow on the Arctic Slope, where no road leads to that village of almost 4000 residents, you can see bananas for 7.00 per pound, milk 12.00 a gallon, strawberries for 10.00 a pint and so on. Adding to these prices the cost of organic products would make them more prohibitive.
In Fairbanks tomatoes cost anywhere between 1.79 - 3.00 and the organic start at around 3.50 an have seen them as high as 4.25 per pound. All produce and dairy products are much higher in Alaska than in the lower 48 states.
In recent years the summers have been earlier and warmer with a killing frost later into the season thus allowing for local non-commercial growers to form farmer's markets with organic and relatively low cost produce. This is however a win-lose situation; as we see fresh, organic produce being available to us, we feel guilty for enjoying them as it appears that our cornucopia, and long warmer growing season are directly linked to global warming.
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Posted by: SOWILO on Jan 9, 2008 3:30 PM
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I see a lot of poor people with big-screen TV's, Nikes, and lots of video-games.
I have no TV, lots of books, a laptop, little furniture, etc.
There really is no excuse to not eat healthy. Sorry.
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High fructose corn syrup cannot be metabolized like other sweeteners. Your body turns it almost instantly to fat. The only reason it is in the American food chain is because it is a fractionally cheaper sweetener, and corporations producing billions of units of a particular food can save millions on production costs of the product by using this instead of sugar.
American govenment regulatory agencies have utterly failed us by allowing this substance in our food. Almost all other countries in the "developed" world outlawed the use of this substance long ago. I think this is just one more example of how corporate interests usurp the interests of the citizens. Why aren't you outraged?
"Government of the people, by the corporations, and for the corporations is not democracy--it is fascism." You can look it up in your dictionary.
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Big business has recreated the farmer in his own image. We now have three quarters of one percent of our population engaged full time in farming. In my life time I have seen the drop from 27%. So you got bad food. Gee whiz how did that happen?
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 9, 2008 1:29 AM
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She wasn't always like this: she once ate out of the hippie handbook: brown rice, curries, salads. But since getting into debt, she has now been going only for the bargains. And now I can see that the bargains kill.
The North American way of life is deeply unhealthy now. People need to live within walking distance of all their services at least (and preferably a short trip away from work). This is what politicians should be talking about; if they gave a stank about human health that is (and we know they don't).
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What did they eat? Typical breakfast was wonder bread and margarine, maybe a grilled cheese for lunch and dinner could be a can of corned beef hash or tomato soup w/ American cheese. For restaurants, McDonalds was the place of choice.
What can you do? They like what they like, and are not at all interested in "college boy" eating habits. It's frustrating to see them abusing themselves and getting sick, which sadly they are...but it's their choice.
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Posted by: mjabele on Jan 9, 2008 5:03 AM
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I'm sure a lot of folks will immediately chime in to say that it's possible to buy organic, local, or vegan without burning a hole in one's pocketbook, but I'm not sure I believe that. Our own grocery bill certainly went up significantly when we started buying organic, despite purchasing as many items in bulk as we could and limiting the amount of meat we eat. I've also noticed that the clientele at the supermarkets where we currently shop appear notably more well-heeled than the working class patients I take care of at my office.
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Posted by: kuro_neko on Jan 9, 2008 7:32 AM
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-no fast food
But: pasta, natural pasta sauces, hormone-free cheese (costs less than organic if available), whole grain breads (shop around to find the cheapest that doesn't contain HFCS), natural PB&J, bananas, apples/oranges, natural yogurt, nuts, bulk: lentils, beans, grains, potatoes, onions, brocolli, soda-water instead of soda, organic or hormone-free milk, free-range eggs (cheapest yet healthiest available), look for sales on natural beef/chicken and stock up.
I go to Costco and try to buy all my staples as natural as possible and in bulk. 9 lbs. oatmeal for cheap. I keep my eyes out for organic stuff on sale, or in bulk. 12 packages of organic mac/cheese at Costco. 3 lbs. almonds/walnuts for less than the grocery store. I make banana breads with leftover bananas and I use unbleached flour and sweeten with unsweetened applesauce.
Staples, basics, make from scratch or in crockpot....Big pots of vegetable soups with 1 cup lentils, potatoes, onions, diced tomatoes (organic bought cans in bulk at Costco, S&W brand), cabbage. This soup lasted me 3 days for lunches and part of dinner. Containers of organic broth in bulk at Costco. Much cheaper than individually bought at grocery store.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 9, 2008 7:42 AM
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it's not hard to eat cheap if you buy what is in season.
when strawberries are 6.00 per pound, don't buy them. buy the green beans at 1.69 per pound. when green beans are 4.00 per pound, don't buy them and buy the plums at 1.29 per pound.
being healthy is about eating low on the food chain (grains, fruits, veggies, starches) even if it means eating rice and carrots for 3 days because that is what's on sale.
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*Have several mouths to feed
*Must work long hours for a pittance
*Rely solely on public transportation
*Have no supermarket nearby
*Must either take a cab or beg a ride off a friend with a car to shop once or twice a month
How in the hell do you load your kids up on all those grains and veggies? When are you going to cook? You leave at 7 am and get home at 6 pm. You've been on your feet all day doing some crap job that leaves you exhausted. Seriously, what do you DO? Do you make a pan of hamburger helper that costs 3 bucks for the whole meal, everyone will eat, and that still affords you a tiny modicum of time with your kids, or do you cook for an hour? Oh, and don't forget - you also have to do all your OTHER second shift work - child care, cleaning, laundry, homework assistance.
Empathy? ANYONE? Or maybe even a good imagination? The programs described in the article are encouraging, and they show that there are plenty of inner city families that know very well they cannot provide 'the best' for their children to eat. How hard that must be, knowing day in and day out that you have to make those compromises just to keep bellies full.
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Jan 9, 2008 9:08 AM
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the people in the article seemed more concerned with pesticide, etc. in their food, but that is not what causes obesity or diabetes. eating foods high on the gylcemic index is the bigger problem there. White breads. Yuck. The whiter your bread, the sooner you're dead.
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As an active farmer myself (I raise grain crops now, but until 2 years ago I was also a dairy farmer) I have wondered how many people who write these articles (such as the notorius Kathy Freson) really have a clue to what is involved with agriculture and producing food.
If you are living on $500/mo., how are you going to buy that $5 organic tomato or that $4/gal organic milk and pay your heating bills at the same time?
I myself had had some conversations with the organic-vegetarian-vegan-whatever people, and most of them strike me as a bunch of self-righteous spoiled types who have never felt true hunger in their lives or faced the prospect of NOT getting any food in the near future. People who think that driving off to the store in their Lexus to pick up that organic cabbage is a profound act of worship.
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Posted by: audiodef on Jan 9, 2008 10:18 AM
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Keeping things local and organic means an end to a lot of things that are hurting us - pollution, global warming, and needless suffering from hunger and homelessness. There is NO reason for this species not to have local communities supporting themselves on less monetary bases while still maintaining links with other communities and having all the technological innovation we want for the common good.
Geez.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Jan 9, 2008 11:32 AM
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I suspect that most of these potentially nourishing foods for people are used to make pet foods.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 9, 2008 11:35 AM
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Although it’s not obvious to consumers, large corporations own many popular organic food brands. For example, Silk soymilk and Horizon dairy products are produced by Dean Foods, the nation’s largest milk producer. viii ix The corporate takeover of organic food is further encouraged by Wal-Mart, as it recently expanded their organic food sales in spring 2006.x Such corporate involvement does not only threaten the existence of small sustainable farmers, but also deteriorates the quality of organic food and makes it harder for small organic farms to compete.
Corporate-owned organic brands can push down the prices of organic products because they’re willing to cut corners in the production process and share a smaller portion of their profits with the farmers. They’ll confine dairy cows most of the year and sacrifice animal welfare,xiwhich allows them to sell their “organic” milk at low prices that small organic farms with higher standards can’t match.
This problem is aggravated by agribusiness’ push to weaken USDA organic standards. In 2005, agribusiness lobbied the Congress to pass a bill that allows for the use of 38 synthetic food substances in the processing and handling of certified organic foods. xiiThe new rule requires consumers to pay more attention to the ingredients of organic food products and to pay more attention to the difference between various organic foods and brands.
P.S.: Don't let the motherfucking ass--licking-Wall$treet fake "libertarians" or for that matter rightwing social fundies fool you otherwise.
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Posted by: johngary on Jan 9, 2008 12:55 PM
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Talk about genocide. God may love the poor, but the rich sure dont.
And by the way, anthropologists claim the first sign of civilization in culture is when the society starts looking after its sick and aged!!
Did anyone notice how uncivilized the rich are? And we are upposed to worry about the Babarians at the gate. Hmmm arent they already here?
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As one travels further north, where everything has to be flown-in such as in Barrow on the Arctic Slope, where no road leads to that village of almost 4000 residents, you can see bananas for 7.00 per pound, milk 12.00 a gallon, strawberries for 10.00 a pint and so on. Adding to these prices the cost of organic products would make them more prohibitive.
In Fairbanks tomatoes cost anywhere between 1.79 - 3.00 and the organic start at around 3.50 an have seen them as high as 4.25 per pound. All produce and dairy products are much higher in Alaska than in the lower 48 states.
In recent years the summers have been earlier and warmer with a killing frost later into the season thus allowing for local non-commercial growers to form farmer's markets with organic and relatively low cost produce. This is however a win-lose situation; as we see fresh, organic produce being available to us, we feel guilty for enjoying them as it appears that our cornucopia, and long warmer growing season are directly linked to global warming.
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Posted by: SOWILO on Jan 9, 2008 3:30 PM
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I see a lot of poor people with big-screen TV's, Nikes, and lots of video-games.
I have no TV, lots of books, a laptop, little furniture, etc.
There really is no excuse to not eat healthy. Sorry.
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High fructose corn syrup cannot be metabolized like other sweeteners. Your body turns it almost instantly to fat. The only reason it is in the American food chain is because it is a fractionally cheaper sweetener, and corporations producing billions of units of a particular food can save millions on production costs of the product by using this instead of sugar.
American govenment regulatory agencies have utterly failed us by allowing this substance in our food. Almost all other countries in the "developed" world outlawed the use of this substance long ago. I think this is just one more example of how corporate interests usurp the interests of the citizens. Why aren't you outraged?
"Government of the people, by the corporations, and for the corporations is not democracy--it is fascism." You can look it up in your dictionary.
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Big business has recreated the farmer in his own image. We now have three quarters of one percent of our population engaged full time in farming. In my life time I have seen the drop from 27%. So you got bad food. Gee whiz how did that happen?
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