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Iowa Results: Will We Know When We Know?

By John Zogby, Huffington Post. Posted January 3, 2008.


A three-way tie for the Democrats is a real possibility.

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On the eve of the Iowa caucuses, the three-way race for the Democratic presidential nomination has continued to tighten over the past 24 hours. The latest Reuters/C-SPAN Zogby poll taken from Dec. 29 through Jan. 1, shows Illinois Sen. Barack Obama stands at 28.3%, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton 27.5%, and fellow Democrat John Edwards in a statistical dead heat just two points behind at 25.7%. As we await the results of the final round of daily polling in Iowa, everything I have been observing about a three-way tie, with no defined winner or loser, still holds true as a real possibility.

This most recent poll finds Clinton's lead among self-identified Democrats slipping a little, but she maintains her leads with women and liberals. Obama is back in the lead among Independents, with Edwards in second place. Obama still leads among 18- to 29-year-olds, while he and Edwards vie for support among Moderates and Very Liberal voters.

You have seen and will continue to see lots of polls with shifting leads and different methodologies. Nearly all are saying the same thing: this remains close, too close.

I've been on the record for a while now suggesting that any one of the top three Democrats can come in first -- and any one of them can come in third. That is still very true. But my comments have been normally followed with the argument that a third place for any of them would be devastating. I am amending that second part. This race could stay very close and we may emerge with all three as viable candidates going into New Hampshire. An Edwards third place is probably rough for him but if his third place is so close that he is in the mix with the party's two superstars, then he deserves extra credit. It will also mean that he can run a strong campaign, should be able to still raise some serious campaign money, and be seen as an alternative to the "experience vs. change" dichotomy facing Democratic voters. But he still can win this.

Obama can survive a close third, too, because he will have proven that he can compete with the vaunted Clinton team and magic, as well as the party's Vice Presidential nominee of 2004. He is running even in New Hampshire and he will signal to African Americans who have doubts about him in South Carolina and beyond that an African American can run and do well. While Edwards is counting on previous caucus voters and is building from there, Obama is relying a lot on new people. Can his energy and charisma motivate new people to caucus?

A Clinton third place bursts the aura of inevitability which her own people established, but she's been up and down, bullied and done some bullying, changed her message and her tone -- she's been a survivor.

So if all this continues, we may be in for a replay in New Hampshire. Edwards still leads as the second choice (30%), but Obama is holding his own (22%). While Clinton was the second choice of 12% in our first round of polling, she has improved -- 15% in our latest round said she was their second choice. But Biden's and Richardson's voters are telling us that Edwards and Obama are their second choices. Edwards has widened his lead among men, as Clinton begins to pull away among women. Edwards is now leading among 'Very Liberal' voters, but Obama is closing in on Clintons' lead among 'liberals.' Moderates are evenly split. So are Independents, while Clinton continues her lead among Democrats and Kerry supporters from 2004. Obama has a huge lead among self-described 'atheists' (about 5% of the total), but he will also need prayers. Those who have made up their minds within the last week are selecting Edwards.

As the leading Democrats face off in a three-way statistical dead heat, there is a two-way race developing among the leading Republicans, along with a real fight in the works for third-place. Only two points separate Huckabee and Romney: 27.7% for Huckabee and 25.7% for Romney. Neither candidate, interestingly, is growing. Instead, as I have been pointing out, the more interesting race is between McCain and Thompson for third. McCain is at 11.7% and Thompson at 11.5%. Huckabee and Romney are now tied among Republicans, while Romney has lost ground with Independents - Huckabee 28%, Romney 18%, McCain 16%, Thompson 14%, and Paul 12%.

McCain is now in second place among voters over 70. Romney and Huckabee are very close with Conservatives, while Thompson has now pulled up to 20% of those who say they are Very Conservative.

There is fluidity here and much of it continues to be about the second tier's impact on the top tier, as I have noted before, and because no candidate among Republicans has really caught fire with likely caucus goers.

Both Romney and Huckabee have declined since our tracking began. This is also too close to call and there is a fascinating sub-plot playing out: McCain is impacting Romney, while Thompson is hurting Huckabee. McCain has gained among Moderates and Independents, as well as with voters over 65 -- all groups that have been supporting Romney. Meanwhile, Huckabee has dropped a few points among Born Again voters as Thompson has climbed into double digits with this group. The same is true with self-described 'very conservative' voters, where Huckabee leads (though he is declining) but Thompson is now getting one in five of their support.

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Pollster John Zogby is president and CEO of Zogby International.

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We already know
Posted by: robchapman on Jan 3, 2008 5:03 AM   
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We already know.

With millions of dollars in campaign contributions, political capital from years of working the off year election cycles, a huge name recognition advantage and the affection and respect of the Democratic rank and file, Hillary Clinton has a lock on the nomination.

The big question is whether Obama can play strong enough to knock her off her safe strategy and force the recalibration of the campaign to reach out to millions of disaffected people who generally don't vote.

With an active role for Obama, 08 offers the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party an historic opportunity to reach deep into the second America and develop a coalition based on the outsiders and left behinds of American society.

We can advance the Democratic Party's noble mission of standing up for and empowering the humble men and women whose work changes raw materials into wealth.

It is time to explicitly and boldly state the Democratic Party's commitment to social justice, economic equity, environmental sustainability and peace.

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» RE: We already know Posted by: drmflorida
The Election
Posted by: US Citizen on Jan 3, 2008 5:10 AM   
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The people of the United States are going through the motions of voting, and the media are covering the elections, but I can’t help but think that the Bush family oil and other business interests will install their puppet as President by any deceptive or brutal means necessary.

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» RE: IF WE EVEN HAVE AN ELECTION Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: The Election Posted by: Johanna Moren
there will be an election
Posted by: mwildfire on Jan 3, 2008 7:44 AM   
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but the voters will have little say in who becomes our next president. I have just read three election-related stories on Alternet, and am left wondering where i got the notion that a progressive Congressman named Kucinich is running. Guess I must have imagined it.

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Choice?
Posted by: Stormin Normin on Jan 3, 2008 11:04 AM   
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I voted for Bush twice. That was a big mistake. This time I'm supporting Ron Paul. I believe that if you do your research you will find that he is the Peoples' Candidate. I hope that you will take the time to check out Dr. Paul's record, funding sources & grass roots backing. Unlike all the other candidates he is not promising us anything but our liberty, our freedom! That is the only true job of our government...

Thank you for your consideration.

Roman
Plainfield, IL

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» RE: Choice? Posted by: US Citizen
Do the UK a favour.. oh sorry favor
Posted by: UKcitizen on Jan 3, 2008 12:25 PM   
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I find many statements above thoroughly depressing, Yes individuals have major influence in the US to effect voters but to believe that democracy has been lost completely is the ideas of cranks or fools, to be blunt.

If you consider there to be a conservative section of society of politics then fine, i would agree a vote for a republican or clinton would be a step back not a step forward. It would absolutely back up the previous two elections in informing america and outside world that money speaks. However if there is one shread of evidence it says that Obama is the band wagon you need to be on.

As a londoner with no active part in this election I will only be gambling my money on this years election. But as the UK has to defend you guys to the rest of Europe do us a bloody favour an elect Obama!!!


PS to the author great article i really enjoyed it ;)

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This Election is a Joke
Posted by: edgar_michel on Jan 3, 2008 2:25 PM   
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Need O say more. Well OK:

No one is addressing the issues, so this can at best be described as a popularity contest. President Bush was never impeached for committing the most impeachable offenses ever in the history of the United States. Everyone running for president voted to enter a war against a country that was no threat to the United States because of a false flag operation designed to enrage U.S. citizens. This election is a false flag operation itself because it pubic attention away from the crimes committed over the last 7 years. I know for a fact that Democrats wish the last 7 years would just go away, because to deal with them squarely would shake this nation to its core. So they want to have this pretty little election so that it would appear that everything has just returned to normal and we won’t have to entertain the fact that nearly three quarters of a million Iraqi’s lay dead to pay for something they never did. Wake up America, this election is just one more venue on the road to Jonestown.

From Reuters, January 3, 2008:

"Mean temperatures were above average across Australia every month last year except June and December. Recognizing the threat from climate change, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd ratified the Kyoto climate pact as his first official act after he was sworn into office early last month."

That means the United States is the last holdout not to ratify Kyoto.

Screw the war in Iraq. It was an illegal war, a war that drove the U.S. into debt, a war that was initiated by a false flag terrorist attack on U.S. interests, a war where service men and women committed atrocities on Iraqi men, women and children while their superiors encouraged them, a war of oil asset acquisition by American corporations, A war where mercenaries sprouted by the thousands, a war that should never have happened.

Now let’s forget about it. The threat to our lives, the lives of our children and the lives of those not yet born is global climate change. We need to hear from one candidate about what he or she is going to do about that. The Iraq war should be abandoned immediately and turned over to the people that live there. If Al Qaeda takes it over, so be it. The United States should make reparations to Iraq for the calamity it caused them and that should be the end of it. We need to deal with global warming because that is what is going to kill us, not Iraqis, not Al Qaeda, not terrorists. What is going to kill us is global warming and we had better put everything else aside and deal with that. Our American corporations have sold us down a tragic river and provide not a single remedy for the cataclysm they have caused us. All public works functions have to be brought under the regulation of the communities they serve or we will not live to see our children born or grow up. Telecommunication needs to be regulated by the federal government so that there can remain the free flow of information. Energy has to be regulated by the States and Federal government so that it serves the interest of the local communities without degrading them. Transportation has to be regulated by the States and federal government in order to ensure the mobility of the country not only today but well into the future. We need to immediately stop using fossil fuels and transition to non carbon based alternatives, not in a century, not in a decade but right now. These are the issues facing us. Wake up America! You have no real candidates!

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The Shock Doctrine
Posted by: US Citizen on Jan 3, 2008 5:00 PM   
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I don't think we should rule out the Shock Doctrine. There is the possibility of neo-conservatives and their "security" forces creating a crisis such as an assassination to get the United States voters to do exactly what they want them to do. Most likely this would be blamed on a "lone gunman". By the time everyone recovered from the shock, the neo-conservatives would have gsined their goals.

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3-way tie?
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jan 3, 2008 8:10 PM   
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...not too far off!

plur

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this is so very strange....
Posted by: lexicon on Jan 4, 2008 7:58 AM   
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I find this article strange, especially reading it after the caucuses have taken place.

I seem to recall that the exit polling done during the last two elections, was somehow fundamentally flawed, such that it "utterly failed" to accurately score the election...in stark contrast to the previous 30 years.

Now, it seems, the polls have gone back to being strikingly accurate.

how strange!

lexicon

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» RE: this is so very strange.... Posted by: edgar_michel