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We Forget What It Was Really Like Under the Clintons
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Bai's contention that Bill Clinton's "wife's fortunes are bound up with his, and vice versa" is incontestable. The primaries and even more so the general election, if Hillary is the nominee, will be a referendum less on Hillary than on Clintonism, the philosophy and strategy that guided the White House for eight years. Hillary clearly welcomes such a prospect, as demonstrated by her constantly reminding voters that she was "deeply involved in being part of the Clinton team."
Bai's much more problematic assertions involve his evaluation of the nature and impact of Clintonism. Bai begins by mocking "Clinton's critics on the left" for displaying "a stunning lack of historical perspective." Yet it is Bai, who demonstrates a remarkable lack of historical knowledge, a dangerous shortcoming for a reporter with his portfolio.
The most glaring example is Bai's bizarre assertion that Clinton "almost single-handedly pulled the Democratic Party back from its slide into irrelevance." The historical fact is that when Clinton took office, the Democratic Party controlled both houses of Congress and a majority of state governorships. By the time he left office, the Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress and two-thirds of the governorships. By the numbers, it was Clintonism that relegated the Democratic Party to the shadows.
Bai's other dubious assertions is that Clintonism was good not only for the Democratic Party but for the nation as well. He applauds Clinton's "courage, at the end of the Reagan era, to argue inside the Democratic Party that the liberal orthodoxies of the New Deal and the Great Society, as well as the culture of the anti-war and civil rights movements, had become excessive and inflexible. Not only were Democratic attitudes toward government electorally problematic, Clinton argued; they were just plain wrong for the time."
But then, astonishingly, in his 7,000-word piece, Bai does not describe the many legislative initiatives Clinton undertook to reverse the New Deal and the Great Society.
Clinton himself summed up the principle guiding his initiatives in his famous declaration, "The era of big government is over."
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 was the first major overhaul of United States telecommunications law in nearly 62 years. The broadcasting industry couldn't get the legislation through under Reagan or George H.W. Bush, but it succeeded under Clinton. The day he signed the bill into law, Clinton boasted, "Landmark legislation fulfills my administration's promise to reform our telecommunications laws in a manner that leads to competition and private investment, promotes universal service and provides for flexible government regulation."
The Act removed the legal barriers to local and long distance phone companies acquiring each other. The results were immediate and massive. In 1996 there were eight major U.S. companies providing local telephone service and five significant long-distance companies. By 1999, these 13 companies had merged into five telecommunications giants, in a series of record-breaking merger deals.
Prior to this law, tightly regulated broadcasters could own just 40 stations nationally, and only two in a given market. Suddenly, without the FCC's input or any public hearings, ownership limits on radio stations was eliminated and a feeding frenzy took place.
By 2001, there were 10,000 radio station transactions worth approximately $100 billion. As a result, 1,100 fewer station owners were in the business, down nearly 30 percent since 1996. Two companies -- Clear Channel and Viacom's Infinity Broadcasting -- controlled one-third of all radio advertising revenue; in some individual markets their stations commanded nearly 90 percent of the ad dollars. Clear Channel alone owned nearly 1,200 stations, the result of buying up 70 separate broadcast companies.
In 1999, the Financial Services Modernization Act overturned the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. The Act effectively barred banks, brokerages and insurance companies from entering each others' industries, and separated investment banking and commercial banking. The law was enacted in response to revelations of gross corruption and manipulation of the market by giant banking houses that organized huge corporate mergers for their own profit, leading to the collapse of the stock market in 1929.
The Wall Street Journal celebrated the agreement to end such restrictions with an editorial declaring that the banks had been unfairly scapegoated for the Great Depression. The headline of one Journal article declared, "Finally, 1929 Begins to Fade."
The unleashed and deregulated financial services sector boomed, bringing us the speculative boom that in turn gave us the temporary budget surplus of the late 1990s and the finance-led booms and busts since then. The hedge fund was not invented in the 1990s, but it was under Clinton that they were transformed into their modern form, with the Clinton White House cheerleading that transformation. In 1998, when the hedge fund, Long Term Capital Management, collapsed, leading to federal intervention, the president established the Working Group on Financial Markets. In February 2000, it concluded that hedge funds needed no regulation.
Clintonism never saw a sector it didn't want to deregulate. Wholesale electricity deregulation began under George H.W. Bush, but Clinton worked relentlessly to extend it and bring it to the retail level. We forget that Ken Lay, the founder of Enron and the driving force behind electricity deregulation was a friend of and mentor to Clinton as well as George W. Bush. Enron gave $420,000 to Clinton's party over three years and donated $100,000 to his inauguration festivities.
Clinton's appointees on the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) aggressively deregulated the electric grid system, even refusing to step in when Enron and other electricity traders' manipulation of prices drove California to the edge of bankruptcy.
And then there was welfare reform. During his 1992 presidential campaign, Clinton promised to "end welfare as we know it." Four years later he proudly pushed through the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which, for the first time in 60 years, eliminated the federal safety net for the poor. The legislation set work requirements for most welfare recipients and limited the length of time they could collect assistance.
The economic bubble of the late 1990s hid the impacts of this legislation during its first five years. But even then, the studies were mixed. A 2002 report by the Chicago, Ill.-based Joyce Foundation found that while hundreds of thousands of welfare recipients in the Midwest went to work since 1996, most had "taken jobs that pay low wages, are part-time, or don't last ... As a result, most of those who have made the transition from welfare to work remain poor."
Wendell Primus, an outspoken critic of the original legislation, resigned from the Clinton administration over welfare reform. A few years later he maintained that "while many families had earnings gains under welfare reform, a significant number would have done better without welfare reform under the expanding economy of the 1990s." Noting that the rates of child poverty dropped more in the 1992-1996, pre-welfare-reform period, than they did in the post-reform period, from 1996-2000, Primus said, "In the aggregate, there is absolutely no evidence that it (reform legislation) increased household income."
There is no question that welfare reform has succeeded in reducing welfare rolls in the states. But 10 years into welfare reform, "the number of people living in poverty had not," noted Robert Wharton, president and CEO of the Community Economic Development Administration. "At the same time, the safety net of services and support that once protected the poor lies in tatters."
The law also led to the privatization of welfare systems in many parts of the country. And an unfamiliar provision of the law called "charitable choice" allowed religious organizations to receive government funding for providing certain welfare-related services. The month he took office, January 2001, George W. Bush's faith-based initiative opened the doors to religious organizations to get government grants to provide services previously made available by government agencies.
And of course there is NAFTA, a key piece of legislation that Bai mentions only in passing. In retrospect, we can view it as a simple extension of Clintonism's obsession with deregulation, in this case deregulating trade and borders.
NAFTA was enacted despite the opposition of Clinton's own party. Two-thirds of House Republicans voted in favor while 60 percent of House Democrats voted against. In the Senate, Republicans voted 4-1 in favor while a slim majority of Democrats voted against.
I discussed the impact of NAFTA 10 years after in an earlier AlterNet piece. The slogan of those who championed a North American Free Trade Agreement was, "Trade, not aid." NAFTA would solve our problems, the White House insisted, with little or no transfer of funds from richer Canadians and Americans to poorer Mexicans. By raising Mexican living standards and wage levels, Attorney General Janet Reno predicted NAFTA would reduce illegal immigration by up to two-thirds in six years. "NAFTA is our best hope for reducing illegal migration in the long haul," Reno declared in 1994. "If it fails, effective immigration control will become impossible."
NAFTA did what it was intended to do. Trade volume soared, from about 30 percent of Mexico's Gross Domestic Product in 1990, to about 55 percent in 2005. Foreign investment increased by over 225 percent. Free trade theory teaches that these achievements should have led to universal prosperity. In the real world, opening up the borders between two exceedingly disparate economies leads to disaster.
Which is what happened here. Real wages for most Mexicans are lower than when NAFTA took effect. And Mexican wages are diverging from, rather than converging with U.S. wages, despite the fact that Mexican worker productivity has increased dramatically. From 1993 to 2003, worker productivity rose by 60 percent. In the same period, real wages declined by 5 percent.
As NAFTA intended, Mexico became an export-dependent economy. But this has not benefited most Mexicans. Sandra Polaski of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace points out that Mexican manufacturing is increasingly based on a production model in which component parts are imported, then processed or assembled and then re-exported. In the maquiladora sector, which accounts for most exports, 97 percent of components are imported; only 3 percent are produced in Mexico. The spillover effect of such operations on the broader economy is very limited.
The only thing that saved Mexico from collapsing into economic and social chaos was the massive emigration of Mexicans across their northern border.
Illegal migration has camouflaged Mexico's economic weakness. Between 1994 and 2004, Mexico's working-age population increased by a little over 1 million per year, but the number of jobs expanded by only half as much. The annual exodus of 500,000 to 1 million Mexicans kept unemployment at least to manageable levels.
Migration has served another even more important salutary function: national financial safety net. In 2005, Mexicans in the United States remitted some $20 billion home, about 3 percent of Mexico's national income. Remittances now exceed tourism, and the maquiladoras, and until the recent runup in oil prices, even oil as the country's top single source of foreign exchange. It turns out that it is aid, not trade, that is keeping the Mexican economy afloat.
NAFTA's designers promised it would keep Mexicans at home. Yet its very objectives undermined that possibility and spawned the waves of illegal migrants that have become one of the most divisive issues in the 2008 campaign.
And then there is healthcare, an issue that Bai did comment on. History has been rewritten in regard to the Clintons' health initiative. Today it is viewed as a bold but failed effort. Even Michael Moore's movie, Sicko, paints this picture. Nonsense. It was Hillary who concluded that it was politically impossible even to argue for a single-payer system. Whether a single payer initiative would have won is unclear, although the national educational effort around it would have been of unparalleled value. But as it was, Hillary's political miscalculation led not only to the idea of universal health care coverage being taken off the table for the next 13 years, but the loss of the House of Representatives and the coming to power of Newt Gingrich and the Republican right.
Matt Bai views Bill Clinton as a profile in courage for taking on the Democratic Party. But if we review his behavior in office, there is one characteristic that stands out above any other: cowardice. Whenever the powerful objected, he beat a hasty retreat. His first year set the pattern. Gays in the military. The btu tax. The jettisoning of Lani Guinier as nominee for assistant attorney general for civil rights, refusing even to allow her to confront her critics.
Bai quotes Jonathan Cowan, of the Third Way, "the next iteration of the D.L.C." As Bai approvingly describes it, "Clinton's politics have basically become the DNA of Democrats seeking the White House, and it's almost certain that they would all govern from that Clintonian center if they actually became president." I desperately hope that is not the case. In the 2008 primary and general election, a key question is, "How can we get back what we have lost without confronting those who took it?" To my mind, the only candidate who seems to understand that is John Edwards, who seems to represent Democratic DNA still untouched by Clintonism's experiment in genetic engineering.
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Posted by: pdxstudent on Jan 7, 2008 12:40 AM
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It was also a bunch of the people who voted him in and the Democrats out during his two terms. If Clinton wins the nomination, it will because of a mixture of those who want her and what she stands for and others not grown up enough to just say no. Insofar as Obama is a neoliberal like Clinton, the same stands for those who would vote for him. I don't really know about Edwards anymore, but his shaping up demands even closer scrutiny. At any rate, we are not just fighting the Republicans and the neocons, but large parts of the Democratic party and their attendant neoliberalism.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 7, 2008 12:47 AM
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"The Chinese and U.S. governments released a press communique on the signing of a bilateral agreement concerning China's entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in Beijing on the afternoon of November 15, 1999."
Then there was an embargo on Iraq that cost the lives of 500,000 children ...
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright:" I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it."
What does Hillary say about all this ?
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Posted by: LookOut on Jan 7, 2008 3:26 AM
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Keep the suckers on the plantation and keep them in the dark via corrupt MSM and “education”. It’s three-card monty.
Real monopoly Fascist power falls to those that run illegal private central banking, Big Oil, Big MSM, etc, and therefore western nations dominated by such.
Billary, village idiot Bush and the rest are groomed actors assigned temp MSM stage parts. The quote below by Clinton is hardly an exaggeration. Slick Willie’s reference to “someone else” refers to freeload robber baron oligarchs that never left power...
“You know, by the time you become the leader of a country, someone else makes all the decisions.”
President Bill Clinton (in answer to impeachment over a sexual incident. 9/4/1998)
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Posted by: Suzon on Jan 7, 2008 4:01 AM
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Edwards, disadvantaged financially by his refusal to take corporate donations, is leading the field on that. Take away their big corporate bucks and where would Obama and Clinton be today?
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Posted by: anothername on Jan 7, 2008 4:08 AM
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In 1992, Democrats made a conscious choice to go with a politician slanted at an ever-increasing angle towards large business in order to win the White House. I still think the best assessment of the 1990's and the change in the Democratic Party comes from an article in the Minneapolis City Pages after Paul Wellstone’s death. The writer noted that Fritz Mondale had to be pulled out of retirement to run for the senate because Wellstone did not build the party in his state. Indeed, Wellstone’s priority of off-shore issues, such as U.S. troops in Columbia, trumped the domestic needs of his constituents while it drew praise from party leaders.
The Democratic Party academics and other party members with relatively secure jobs were excited about cleaning up Reagan’s “Communist behind every bush” foreign policy. Meanwhile, those on welfare, the working class that was becoming the working poor, and people concerned about loss of civil rights and freedom (long before Sept. 11, 2001) were ignored.
I lost interest in the current crop of presidential candidates months ago. No matter who wins, I’m still not going to have decent public transportation. I’m still not going to have options for good jobs or an economic plan that looks at anybody other than the young people. I’m still not going to have health care, even though I may be forced to buy health insurance. I’m still not going to have recycling because local programs only reward homeowners in many cities. I divorced the Democratic Party after almost a decade of being ignored, and in some cases being told point-blank by staff and elected officials that my concerns, such as opposition to the Real ID Act, were not important to them.
In 2000, I heard much about people voting for Geo. W. Bush because he seemed likeable, unlike Gore. I heard in 2004 that people went with Bush because people wanted him as a neighbor, unlike Kerry. I heard between 2000 and 2008 that people realized they weren’t voting for a drinking buddy, they were voting for a president. Yet, here we are in 2008 and we’re talking about how friendly Obama is and how uptight Clinton is.
The day after the 2004 general election, I read and heard many comments from people lamenting that they ignored the issues. Since I went into debt trying to push issues, I was not pleased with the post-election insights. Yet, here we are in 2008 and issues are nowhere in sight except as the broadest banners hung as a backdrop.
Heck, I don’t even know where the Democratic candidates stand on the issue of abortion. Do they favor limits on methods, limits in the second or third trimester? Do they favor parental notification, and then of one or both parents? What about aiding travel across state lines, including just loaning money? What about paying for abortion by the military? What about the entire family planning policy, both domestically and overseas? I must admit, until now, I had just assumed that the candidates even supported keeping abortion legal.
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Posted by: scheherezade on Jan 7, 2008 5:28 AM
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Let us also not forget the great strides the Clinton administration made in destroying the military through various 'privatization' efforts.
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At its best, democracy is a computer that processes and calculates the data that is the publics' will. It is my opinion that our current democracies is one of the first and has shown itself to be too large, clunky and inefficient. I do not wish to give up on democracy; I would rather see if we can't move a step towards making it sleek and effective as a laptop.
The Next Democracy
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Posted by: surfreality on Jan 7, 2008 5:49 AM
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When the republicans took over congress Tom "The Hammer" Delay started the pay to play K Street scheme.
Once W was in office, corporate interests rewrote the laws and passed new regulations for energy, media and health care. All in secret.
I agree with the comment above:
"The overarching explanation of all our ills
is the corporate takeover of the American government."
America was already rolling down that path when Clinton was elected, but he certainly accelerated that unfortunate process.
Now we have a major corporate contractor, KBR, accused of kidnapping, obstruction of justice and covering up rape. And even though congress has held hearings on said matters there is no investigation on any level by the Feds.
What does that tell you about who runs the show?
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Posted by: lamar on Jan 7, 2008 6:15 AM
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Blame it on Clinton all you want. What it comes down to is a failure to beat right wing candidates on a state by state, seat by seat basis. The Democrats have taken some of that momentum back and will likely get the presidency. Success breeds success, Dems. Faulty historical memories do not.
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Jan 7, 2008 6:33 AM
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NAFTA--good intentions unintended consequences.None of you smear agents point out consequences of PESO tanking.
READ TRUTHS--
PRAISE CLINTON AND GORE WITH PLEASURE
GDP--rose from 6,300 to 11,600
NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion--
JOBS CREATED—237,000 per month to replace Jimmy Carter record of 218,000.
AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS--$360 to $478
AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED--never hit 35.0--hit that mark 4 times in 80's
UNEMPLOYMENT--from 7.2% down down down to as low as 3.9%
MINIMUM WAGE--$4.25 to $5.15
MINORITIES--did exceedingly well
HOME OWNERSHIP--hit all time high (no big deal most can say this-except Reagan)
DEFICIT--290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS
DEBT----+28%---300% increase over prior 12 years by Conservatives.
FEDERAL SPENDING--+28%---+80% under Reagan- who is da true conservative?
DOW JONES AVERAGE—3,500 to 11,720 top in 2000. All it's history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it
NASDAQ--700 to 5,000 top in 2000.---All of it's history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it
VALUES INDEXES-- almost all bad went down--good went up in zoom zoom zoom
FOREIGN AFFAIRS--Peace on Earth good will toward each other---Mark of a true Christian--what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?
POPULARITY---highest poll ratings in history during peacetime in AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE . Even 98.5% in Moscow--left office with Highest Gallup rating since it was started in 1920's.
STAND UP FOR JUSTICE--evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught one very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.
BOW YOUR HEADS—“Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton's character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world. Amen”.
THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.
clarence swinney-political historian-Lifeaholics of America- burlington nc
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Jan 7, 2008 6:40 AM
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CLINTON ANTI-TERROR————Terrorists Attacks Stopped, under Clinton, by Richard Clarke
1.Millennium hi-jack and bombing plots
2.Plot to kill the Pope
3.Plot to blow up 12 US Jetliners simultaneously
4.To blow up UN Headquarters
5.To blow up FBIHeadquarters
6.Blow up Israeli Embassy in Washington
7.Blow up Boston Airport
8.Blow up Lincoln Tunnel and Holland Tunnel
9.Blow up George Washington Bridge
10.Blow up U.S. Embassy in Albania
Brought perpetrators of first World Center bombing and CIA Killings to justice.
Did not blame Bush I for first World Trade Center Bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office.
Formed Hart-Rudman Commission –report put on Bush desk 1-31-01 Nothing happened.
Send legislation to Congress to “tighten Airport Security” It was defeated by Republicans because of opposition from the airlines. “secure cockpits”.
Sent Legislation to Congress to add Tangents to explosives to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. Republicans defeated it because of NRA opposition.
Increased the Military Budget by 14%.
Tripled the Budget of the FBI for CounterTerrorism .
Doubled overall funding for CounterTerrorism
Detected and destroyed Al Qaeda Cells in over 20 countries.
Robert Oakley-Reagan Ambassador for CounterTerrorism “Overall, I give Clinton Very High Marks and the only criticism I have is the obsession with Osama Bin Laden.”
Paul Bremer believed Bill Clinton had “correctly focused on Bin Laden.”
Bart Gellman—Washington Post–“By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him and was the “first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort”.
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Jan 7, 2008 6:55 AM
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President Clinton had --ONE--ONE if you can read--name more than one member of his administration CONVICTED of a FELONY committed while WORKING FOR President Clinton. Evil man took $12,000 worth of trips to ball games. Shame.
I will not list the 137 Reagan members charged with crimes usually from fraud.
Also, I challenge Smearathug Morris to list one lie Bill Clinton told us on POLICY.
Try me.
Yes! Hindsight can criticize many things. Intent. What was intent? Iraq Invasion. Intent?Unintended consequences?
99% Perfect= Clinton Clean as Ivory Soap.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 7, 2008 6:58 AM
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Much of the economic prosperity brought about under the Clinton administration was due to large degree of deadlock between the executive and legislative branches. This offers at least correlative evidence that the less government re-gifts us with using our own resources, the better the average citizen fares.
Contrast the relative prosperity we enjoyed under deadlock with what occurred during the six years of aligned goals between the president and congress: I'll sign your pork, you pass my tax cuts, and we'll print money and start a perpetual war unrelated to national defense. Ah, unholy togetherness.
Of course, some of foot-dragging on non-obvious government initiatives such as piling up dirt to separate a giant cereal bowl-shaped, densely populated plot of land from large bodies of water can be deadly if neglected.
Wait, nevermind...priorities, folks, priorities! Let's build a giant southern fence instead of these silly things called levees. My (hypothetical) brother in law makes chain-link for a living...and he could also use a visit by the magical, gift-bearing federal toothfairy.
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» RE: If you're waiting on a President who will fix all your problems...
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» I expect you'd wake up with at least a tooth to your name...
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» Indeed...
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Posted by: dayenta on Jan 7, 2008 6:59 AM
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Jan 7, 2008 7:02 AM
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Brothers?
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Jan 7, 2008 7:21 AM
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David Morris on Clinton record in Alternet today.
Unfortunately, I did not read entire article before I started Smearing David.
When I pulled up to Print I read all.
I apologize.
Nonetheless, David printed good intent and unintended consequences.
He did not address success of Nafta prior to Peso tanking.
Telecommunications Big Big Goof by Clinton.
For each that turned out poor I can name many good ones.
Perfect. No. GREAT? Yes.
google clarence swinney + clinton
I strive to be honest but I am only 99.9% pure Yo ho ME dumbo.
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Posted by: liam99 on Jan 7, 2008 7:55 AM
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Posted by: haystack1317 on Jan 7, 2008 7:59 AM
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The bottom line is that Globalization is exactly what the name implies -- a transfer of wealth and power from nations to multinationals with allegiance to no specific country (Halliburton just moved its headquarters to Dubai, for Christ's sake.) Why on earth would anyone support a force that puts corporations above the laws of his or her country? Clinton had a very, very large part, with his brains and his charms and his professed caring for the working class, in convincing America that free trade and globalization were inevitable and ideal. America is rejecting that now as they watch Hillary attempt to turn back the clock.
The Clinton years were one of the steps that led us to where we are today, undoubtedly. They were not a swinging of the pendulum to the left but a slight slowing down in the pendulum's swing to the right. Try to find some independent media anywhere besides the internet and tell me he was good for democracy.
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» Interesting read, never knew, Kucinich looks better
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Posted by: warrior woman on Jan 7, 2008 9:15 AM
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Don't let the Republican ways of the Clinton group sway you their way. The only thing that we might get to keep is Roe V. Wade, there will be little else left.
Remember who is crafting the polling information in the news today. Recall also who is the biggest threat to Clinton, it's not Obama, it's Edwards (sorry Dennis). Don't fall for the propaganda when it's time for your caucus.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 7, 2008 9:16 AM
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The fact that Gingrich was willing to actually shut down the government gives you no indication of what it was like to live amid the craziest crazies of the age?
And I'll bet you think Bill waited too long to go into Bosnia. He shoulda done it sooner, right? Like he shoulda vetoed NAFTA for a third time? Twice wasn't good enough for you.
I wish I could find someplace where I did not have to slog through political propaganda under the guise of political analysis.
I never voted for Bill. I didn't have to since he was so popular in my state, he was a shoo-in--even in a state that voted for Raygun twice.
The proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Stop blaming Bill.
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Posted by: harpy on Jan 7, 2008 9:19 AM
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Posted by: Dianka on Jan 7, 2008 9:20 AM
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Posted by: audiodef on Jan 7, 2008 9:28 AM
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However, let the record show that I am against relatives of former presidents being allowed to run for office. I can't believe this wasn't written into the Constitution. Can you say "favoritism"? How about "regime"? I also don't like Hillary, but that's not an acceptable excuse to pass her husband's fault onto her.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 7, 2008 9:35 AM
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The economic approach that Clinton pursued was driven by Robert Rubin:
"From January 20, 1993, to January 10, 1995, Robert Rubin served in the White House as Assistant to the President for Economic Policy. In that capacity, he directed the National Economic Council, which Bill Clinton created after winning the presidency."
The Wikipedia entry contains the conventional corporate wisdom regarding the Clinton-Rubin neoliberal approach:
"In January 1995, one year after the signing of NAFTA and immediately after his swearing in as Secretary of Treasury, Mexico was suffering through a financial crisis possibly resulting in default on foreign obligations. President Bill Clinton with the advice of Secretary Rubin and Chairman Alan Greenspan provided $20 Billion in US loan guarantees to the Mexican government through the Exchange Stabilization Fund (ESF).
"In 1997-1998, Treasury Secretary Rubin, Deputy Secretary Lawrence H. Summers, and Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan worked with the International Monetary Fund and others to effectively combat and contain financial crises in Russian, Asian, and Latin American financial markets. In its February 15, 1999 edition, Time Magazine dubbed the three policymakers “The Committee to Save the World.”
The facts of the matter, however, are described in Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine. See The Shock Doctrine: Bill Clinton and Boris Yeltsin for a good short discussion.
The so-called Rubin wing of the Democratic Party includes both Clinton and Obama - Rubin associates are close advisers to the Obama campaign - see David Sirota on the Rubin wing of the Democratic Party.
Rubin's bio is pretty interesting reading. He used to be a senior partner at Goldman Sach, and is now is now chairman of the executive committee of Citigroup. That explains a lot of the funding given to Obama and Clinton. (opensecrets.org)
The real legacy of the Clinton era includes NAFTA and the 1996 Telecom Act. The only positive thing one can say is that the Clinton-era Supreme Court appointments were far, far better than the Reagan-Bush-Bush appointments. Thanks to the Republicans, we've now got a politicized and corrupt Supreme Court that puts corporate interests before Constitutional law.
The only leading candidate who openly rejects the Rubin approach - sucking up to corporate interests in exchange for large campaign donations - is John Edwards.
In that regard, I really don't understand why Kucinich instructed his supporters to get behind Obama. Perhaps Obama promised him a vice-presidential slot? Perhaps Kucinich thinks Obama is a better choice than Hillary, and that Edwards can't win? Who knows? Politicians will be politicians, after all.
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Posted by: PJAW on Jan 7, 2008 10:09 AM
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Clinton was hardly a Kennedy Democrat, he was much more centrist, with rightward leanings. If you wanted a Democrat for President, you would have supported Jerry Brown, who was pretty much the last man standing against Clinton in the primaries before the '92 general election. Brown was marginalized and villified by the MSM, who referred to him as "Governor Moonbeam". (This was a moniker hung on him by Mike Royko of the Chicago Tribune for his support of a telecommunications system that would be powered in part by sunlight refleced from the moon's surface. The system is in place and working quite well and Royko later apologized for the damage he had created)
If you want someone who promotes Democratic ideals, and policies that can turn this country around to head on a peaceful, more humanitarian path, Kucinich is the only candidate worth supporting, with Edwards possibly the second choice. Hillary pretty much represents "business as usual" while Obama has yet to prove that he is capable of anything more substantive than great stump speeches.
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Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Jan 7, 2008 11:25 AM
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Posted by: dockboy on Jan 7, 2008 11:45 AM
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Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 7, 2008 11:51 AM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 7, 2008 11:56 AM
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The Clintons are about the Clintons- front and center. They are also quite capable of lying to anyone with a straight face- repeatedly.
Clinton governed as his wife has served in the Senate- as a moderate Repugnican that happens to have a 'D' attached to their title. DLC through and through.
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Posted by: johnp on Jan 7, 2008 12:03 PM
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Blitzer, and the networks that sponsor them, CNN, MSNBC, etc. Deliberately sabotaging a candidate at a critical moment in her career, because of long held media hostility against her, but particularly against her husband.
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Posted by: mnascimento on Jan 7, 2008 12:04 PM
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I kept thinking, how can "they" keep seeing this woman through rose colored glasses?
It would be nice if the women who are in prominent positions, Condolezza Rice, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary had the best interests of the country at heart.
Even better, if we weren't so shallow, that we dismiss candidates who do have our best interests, but who are not physically attractive. Ron Paul, Kucinech, and Bill Richardson, to name a few never really had a chance, based on appearance alone.
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Posted by: wrogal on Jan 7, 2008 12:19 PM
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I think the reason is because both Clinton and Bush Sr and Jr went to Yale and belonged to the ultra-secret "Skull & Bones" which apparently teaches corporate world domination and profit at any cost (Ferengi economics)!
I agree we need a COMPLETE CHANGE in Washington, we need to tell the Clintons to make speeches and write books and that's all, and we need to shove the entire Bush family and every neocon Republican into a space shuttle and send it to Alpha Centari ONE WAY!
Obama may not be JFK, but he has my vote if it means getting away from the Bushes and the Clintons.
SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
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Posted by: common intelligence on Jan 7, 2008 2:03 PM
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The republicans have claimed, "letting Clinton win his election was a mistake". Under the radar no amount of blame on conditions that the Fascists/ Bush/NeoconJobs have brought forth on America can be put on Clinton.
If you want to point figures you must take sharp aim at the foreign policy issues that are dictated and controled by the CIA, FBI, and the Military Industrial complex.
Attention Readers: WATCH THE DISTRACTIVE TACTICS like this lasie fair articles. KEEP FOCUSED ON THE CRIMINALS IN OFFICE and Impeachment and the truth of 911.
Oral sex does not equate with installing an illegal government and the raping, pillaging, and plundering, of an other country ie Iraq. Nor the indiscimanate murder of 100's of thousand of innocent children and citizens for an illegal invasion created by deception and and distratcive tactics used on the American people. Nor deceiving Americans and shanghaiing Americas Young warriors for a false flag operation to distroy the nations economy as it is. The national treasure was in the bank during Clinton. Now CHildren, not even born yet are, indentured servants and will blame us for their ill begotten lives. All while the top 5% of CorpoRats remain disconnected from the masses realities.
Like, where's Kenneth Starr now? Dare none call this regime Bush/Neocon/ AIPAC a conspiratorial action!
Readers: Stay focused on BUSH, Cheney, the whole lot. These are the criminals to focus on. Even the election is pushing peoples attention away from impeachment proceedings. Look, New Hampshire and Iowa keeps the debate clear of truth sayers like Kucinich.
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Posted by: chhabili on Jan 7, 2008 2:04 PM
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Toni Morrison can shout about Bill Clinton being the first black president all she wants. But his treatment of African Americans in his admiistration was far from stellar. After all, the Clintons are stealth Republico Fascists in liberal clothing.
May the Clintons never raise their ugly GOP heads again.
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Posted by: Rectitude on Jan 7, 2008 2:55 PM
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Posted by: Cathyc on Jan 7, 2008 3:48 PM
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Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Jan 7, 2008 6:12 PM
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Now, every single one of the Repubs scare the hell out of me. It would be a complete disaster to allow any of them to win.
I don't think Obama has enough fight in him. With all his talk abut cooperation, what is going to happen when the Repubs attack him; will he fold when they pull out the dirty tricks? Kerry was such a huge disapointment when he didn't fight back at the swiftboaters until it was way, way too late.
At least with Hillary, I can see her fighting back, and loving every second of it.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 7, 2008 7:28 PM
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Jan 7, 2008 8:36 PM
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If it were not for progressives would democrats have ever passed FMLA, social security, or the like?
Bush nominated harriet myers till the conservative base said no way and pushed for roberts.
What have conservatives done for women or minorities?
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Posted by: Bibsi on Jan 7, 2008 9:12 PM
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Why don't you idiots get off Bill Clinton when we've have the absolutely worst president in the history of the U.S. and pay attention to the issues facing us? Bill is not running for president, and Hillary will be a better president than anyone running although Bozo could do a better job than the current, appointed, unelected one whose minions didn't even allow FL votes to be counted. So get off it. It's a new day, nearly eight yrs. later. If you want change, vote Democrat, whoever it is. I have no doubt the ReThugs will find another way to steal the election again, whether it be with voting machines or denying people the right to vote as they did in FL in 2000, and in Ohio in 2004!
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Posted by: armorypk on Jan 7, 2008 9:28 PM
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Then again, the Clinton years look like paradise compared to the catastrophe wrought by Bush and Co. With all his faults, at least Bill wasn't a sociopath. At least Bill wasn't a constant embarrassment to the entire country. At least Bill had some command of the English language. At least ol' Bill possessed a triple-digit I.Q.
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Posted by: Len Miller on Jan 9, 2008 9:20 AM
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Why are we compelled to bring down a person that supports and has always supported Universal Health Care, who has Union support, who is, as someone else said, self made, who will work to overturn the tax cuts for the wealthy. She is a highly intelligent person. Why bring her down? Is she perfect? Of course not-none of us are. Do I wish she had voted differently on the Iraq War? Yes.
I believe that she has come to realize that the War and its continuation is bad for the country and bad for the World. Hillary Clinton is, without doubt, a much better choice than any Republican? If she wins the nomination, do not allow another 4 years of Bush type government by failing to vote or "wasting" a vote. We must work together to get the "bums" out of office. Hillary is not the first choice, but she is not a poor one either.
I do not believe that she is corrupt. Certainly, not the corruption we have seen over the past 7 years. Yes, Bill Clinton compromised. I would like to see a fight for a principle-- but in this World we do not always get our way nor do things move as swiftly as they should. I do not believe they are neocon light. I believe that the Clintons are basically decent people.-- Far different from the crew that has been in charge.
From everything I have ever read about the Clintons, they are dedicated to public service. Certainly, President Clinton-early on, wanted to do right by his fellow man. No one is right about everything--- but if the attitude is right, as I believe it is with the Clintons, we are a step ahead of the game. We are miles ahead of the Republicans.
Sometimes, change is slow and cautious. But, is it not wonderful to see that the Democrats have as leading candidates a woman and a person of color-- and right behind them, a Latino and a Southern White. Take a good look at what you have on the other side. Don't cut off your nose, etc.
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Clinton's Iraq Legacy Questioned as he comes to Grand Rapids
Bill Clinton, NAFTA, and Michigan
Bill Clinton and Welfare Reform
Bill Clinton and Media Policy
Clinton's Environmental Policy
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Posted by: niliadis on Jan 12, 2008 12:48 PM
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With Mrs. Clinton anything you can say about her she is experienced. No matter what how bias is the media and the journalists if you can call them this, she keeps going and we all know that this country was in a surplus during the clinton times. There was more prosperity during the Clinton times. This article is full of manipulation and exagerations and if you are an idiot go ahead be my guest..However if you want to think..Maybe Obama may do it, he might be able to do it, I think he can do it..MIGHT, THINK, MAYBE are words we can not afford in the trying and crucial times we are in and what we are about to face. We can not afford to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.Its just the plain truth! We need action not words, do you ever wonder why his advisors do not let him answer questions? There has even been talk about puting a device so that they can help him answere questions, but just decided he would not take questions, instead they opted to his imitation of Martin Luther King, a poor imitation at that. The only difference is Martin Luther King talked about his issues and Martin Luther King was the real
Leader... Obama is an empty vessell that articulates quit well, but what does he really say? empty words with empty promises. Remember with out experience we can not make change happen, with out experience we can not bring hopes to a reality. Lets come down to earth!!!!
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Posted by: niliadis on Jan 12, 2008 1:06 PM
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a cheap example of a wanabe journalist. He would absolutley drop dead If Mrs Clinton would be elected and guess what No Great loss for such a scum of the earch wanabe journalist!
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Posted by: janelynne on Jan 12, 2008 1:20 PM
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But along came Bush who squandered all America's prosperity by awarding contracts to his cronies to throw a war and chase after oil. We have fallen behind educationally, financially, and we have lost our good reputaton.
Meanwhile, every time there is legislation that is fought for by the Democrats, to regulate, make more safe, or make more commerce more fair by the big oil companies, or any of the big conglomerates, the GOP vote it down. Or Bush vetoes it.
The Bush administration shamefully denies global warming because their friends in electricity and their friends in oil will begin to see their big profit margins decrease with the rise of wind, solar, geothermal and other renewable energies that make the world and America better.
Nafta did not fail due to deregulation. Nafta fails today because big companies move their headquarters off shore, don't pay taxes, and hire people in the third world to make products cheap so they can have wide profit margins. In the process products that were born in the USA with American ingenuity have been lost overseas. Now people are trying to make a living with the leftovers from the corporate profits. Blaming Bill CLinton is ridiculous, and blaming Hillary Clinton is just a smear tactic.
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Posted by: leland61 on Jan 12, 2008 2:35 PM
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He rained down radioactive bombs on Iraq and on Serbia. He is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi infants and children from disease and hunger. He was a smiling monster just like George HW, George W and Ronnie the Brain Dead.
I have to admit that he fooled me and I voted for the sob the first time. By the second time everyone who was actually paying attention to what he was really doing voted for someone else. Mrs. Clinton is another wolf in sheep's clothing. She owes her soul to the big pharm, big insurance and the the manufacturers of weapons of mass destruction just like Billy did. They are a bunch of liars and cutthroats, brigands and pirates in disguise.
Mrs. Clinton would be a moderate to slightly hawkish Republican in the 60s and 70s. She is a fake and a fraud and most certainly not a Democrat in any 'traditional' sense of someone whose primary interests is in the working classes of this country.
Sometimes it looks like most of the so-called progressives and liberals who write these columns and responses were born yesterday and have absolutely no knowledge of what has been going on for the last 50 - 60 years. I do because I lived throught it and I was paying attention.
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Posted by: Shey on Jan 12, 2008 8:20 PM
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So the best we could expect is some moderation on social issues that don't really concern the mega-corporations, but no change in the policies dictated by the mega-corporations, the policies that are destroying what's left of our Democracy.
Does anyone really believe that either Hilary or Obama would take on the mega-corporations on the issue of union busting? The worst culprit is Wal-Mart, and who has accepted all that money from Wal-Mart, the largest corporation on the planet?
Do you really believe that either Hilary or Obama would move to stop the practice of allowing giant corporations to use small offshore offices to avoid paying most taxes? Or move toward reversing the policies of allowing unregulated, uninspected poisoned goods into this country, goods manufactured by twelve year olds working under slave labor conditions? No, because the mega-corporations profit from it and NAFTA allows it.
NAFTA is possibly the worst thing that has ever happened to this country and the world (thanks, Bill). And I'm not tarring Hilary with the same brush for no reason, she supports so called "free trade" too, as does Obama.
So called "free trade" (NAFTA and related treaties) contributes to everything from catastrophic climate change to first our pets then our kids being poisoned by unregulated Chinese imports, to GMO's in our food and continued corporate welfare for agri-business while they poison our soil and destroy the soil's ability to produce healthy crops(yes, there are links to NAFTA and "free trade" policies, do the research) to the destruction of entire indigenous cultures and their environment in the pursuit of "blood diamonds" in Africa or "dirty gold" in South America, to native peoples being used as lab rats by international pharmaceutical concerns in Africa (the film "The Constant Gardener" was not, fiction).
The only electable candidate who is not in the pockets of the corporate perpetrators of these obscenities, is John Edwards. The only one who has stated that he would, as president, take on "corporate greed". The only one who is unabashedly and demonstrably pro-union in an era of destruction of workers rights.
Support Edwards, he is our only hope. Kucinich is a good person with good ideas, but do we really want to go down supporting someone unelectable, while the destruction of our Democracy by mega-corporations continues and a good, viable candidate falls by the wayside because the front runners are out-spending him ten times over, with corporate money? There is a viable choice, it doesn't have to be the lesser of several evils, yet again.
Wake up people, John Edwards is literally our last hope.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 14, 2008 10:52 PM
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Republicans spend their time destroying others. They have no virtues to brag about so they think that if they destroy others they have somehow elevated themselves. The real weakness in the Clinton presidency was the constant alienation of an overwhelming majority of republicans in congress. He could never get anything done. They could override his veto. The democrats can't override Bush's veto right now. Bush has more power in his last two years than Bill did at anytime in his 6.
Consequently, you may not extend any part of what Bill's presidency was to create a predictor of what Hillary's presidency might be. A democratic congress did not gee and haw with Bill Clinton during his first 2 years. If Hillary were to get a democratic congress, we still do not know whether they would cooperate enough to get anything done. I have wondered often if the people didn't get mad at the democratic congress for not doing what they wanted for that first two years. So they just fired them. To mix a metaphor, it was just out of the frying pan and into the fire.
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If you vote for Hillary, expect the same old, same old boys policies and legislation. More and more, the plantation paradigm pervades American life. Ms. Ann and Mr. Charlie, lawdy, lawdy, lawdy.
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So all you Clinton Bashers that twist and manipulate the truth are a bunch of followers that listen to the wannabe journalist and media. Do your homework!!! I am not saying the Clintons were perfect, far from it but so was every other candidate that we have had. Never like this administration..And we certainly do not one that will make it worse with his inexperience. He is hardly a jr. Senator that has not done very much in the Senate and now wants to hop skip and a jump into the white house even at the cose of racism manipulation. We are beyond all this and must not listen to those wanabe Journalist and bias media. Do your homeowrk:
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As parents of a mentally retarded daughter, we saw him scurry home to Arkansas during his first campaign to preside over the execution of a mentally retarded convict who requested that his dessert be saved for him to eat "after the execution." Bill sure showed the public how tough he was on crime. I cried.
I used to wonder about the nickname "Slick Willie," but after 16 years it's apparent that it fits him AND her like a glove. During the Florida Democratic Convention the rule was that no paid staff was to be present. Every candidate but Clinton abided by that rule. She had paid staff all over the place. I later learned she did the same in Pennsylvania. The Clintons never met a rule they wouldn't break. Their sense of entitlement is astonishing. They apparently feel they are political royalty. Well, I fear they are going to go back to Washington, D.C. once again, but this time they will do it without my vote. I will do a write in for John Edwards. I won't vote for another Clinton in MY lifetime. Twice was enough.
I don't know how people can say that this is a "right wing" or "conservative" post. I am far more left-wing than the Clintons; I suppose that people who disagree with we liberals would rather call us "conservative" to salve their hurt feelings than to admit the truth -- that the Clintons (both of them) ARE Republican Lite.
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It was also a bunch of the people who voted him in and the Democrats out during his two terms. If Clinton wins the nomination, it will because of a mixture of those who want her and what she stands for and others not grown up enough to just say no. Insofar as Obama is a neoliberal like Clinton, the same stands for those who would vote for him. I don't really know about Edwards anymore, but his shaping up demands even closer scrutiny. At any rate, we are not just fighting the Republicans and the neocons, but large parts of the Democratic party and their attendant neoliberalism.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 7, 2008 12:47 AM
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"The Chinese and U.S. governments released a press communique on the signing of a bilateral agreement concerning China's entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in Beijing on the afternoon of November 15, 1999."
Then there was an embargo on Iraq that cost the lives of 500,000 children ...
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright:" I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it."
What does Hillary say about all this ?
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Posted by: LookOut on Jan 7, 2008 3:26 AM
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Keep the suckers on the plantation and keep them in the dark via corrupt MSM and “education”. It’s three-card monty.
Real monopoly Fascist power falls to those that run illegal private central banking, Big Oil, Big MSM, etc, and therefore western nations dominated by such.
Billary, village idiot Bush and the rest are groomed actors assigned temp MSM stage parts. The quote below by Clinton is hardly an exaggeration. Slick Willie’s reference to “someone else” refers to freeload robber baron oligarchs that never left power...
“You know, by the time you become the leader of a country, someone else makes all the decisions.”
President Bill Clinton (in answer to impeachment over a sexual incident. 9/4/1998)
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Posted by: Suzon on Jan 7, 2008 4:01 AM
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Edwards, disadvantaged financially by his refusal to take corporate donations, is leading the field on that. Take away their big corporate bucks and where would Obama and Clinton be today?
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Posted by: anothername on Jan 7, 2008 4:08 AM
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In 1992, Democrats made a conscious choice to go with a politician slanted at an ever-increasing angle towards large business in order to win the White House. I still think the best assessment of the 1990's and the change in the Democratic Party comes from an article in the Minneapolis City Pages after Paul Wellstone’s death. The writer noted that Fritz Mondale had to be pulled out of retirement to run for the senate because Wellstone did not build the party in his state. Indeed, Wellstone’s priority of off-shore issues, such as U.S. troops in Columbia, trumped the domestic needs of his constituents while it drew praise from party leaders.
The Democratic Party academics and other party members with relatively secure jobs were excited about cleaning up Reagan’s “Communist behind every bush” foreign policy. Meanwhile, those on welfare, the working class that was becoming the working poor, and people concerned about loss of civil rights and freedom (long before Sept. 11, 2001) were ignored.
I lost interest in the current crop of presidential candidates months ago. No matter who wins, I’m still not going to have decent public transportation. I’m still not going to have options for good jobs or an economic plan that looks at anybody other than the young people. I’m still not going to have health care, even though I may be forced to buy health insurance. I’m still not going to have recycling because local programs only reward homeowners in many cities. I divorced the Democratic Party after almost a decade of being ignored, and in some cases being told point-blank by staff and elected officials that my concerns, such as opposition to the Real ID Act, were not important to them.
In 2000, I heard much about people voting for Geo. W. Bush because he seemed likeable, unlike Gore. I heard in 2004 that people went with Bush because people wanted him as a neighbor, unlike Kerry. I heard between 2000 and 2008 that people realized they weren’t voting for a drinking buddy, they were voting for a president. Yet, here we are in 2008 and we’re talking about how friendly Obama is and how uptight Clinton is.
The day after the 2004 general election, I read and heard many comments from people lamenting that they ignored the issues. Since I went into debt trying to push issues, I was not pleased with the post-election insights. Yet, here we are in 2008 and issues are nowhere in sight except as the broadest banners hung as a backdrop.
Heck, I don’t even know where the Democratic candidates stand on the issue of abortion. Do they favor limits on methods, limits in the second or third trimester? Do they favor parental notification, and then of one or both parents? What about aiding travel across state lines, including just loaning money? What about paying for abortion by the military? What about the entire family planning policy, both domestically and overseas? I must admit, until now, I had just assumed that the candidates even supported keeping abortion legal.
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Posted by: scheherezade on Jan 7, 2008 5:28 AM
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Let us also not forget the great strides the Clinton administration made in destroying the military through various 'privatization' efforts.
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At its best, democracy is a computer that processes and calculates the data that is the publics' will. It is my opinion that our current democracies is one of the first and has shown itself to be too large, clunky and inefficient. I do not wish to give up on democracy; I would rather see if we can't move a step towards making it sleek and effective as a laptop.
The Next Democracy
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Posted by: surfreality on Jan 7, 2008 5:49 AM
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When the republicans took over congress Tom "The Hammer" Delay started the pay to play K Street scheme.
Once W was in office, corporate interests rewrote the laws and passed new regulations for energy, media and health care. All in secret.
I agree with the comment above:
"The overarching explanation of all our ills
is the corporate takeover of the American government."
America was already rolling down that path when Clinton was elected, but he certainly accelerated that unfortunate process.
Now we have a major corporate contractor, KBR, accused of kidnapping, obstruction of justice and covering up rape. And even though congress has held hearings on said matters there is no investigation on any level by the Feds.
What does that tell you about who runs the show?
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Posted by: lamar on Jan 7, 2008 6:15 AM
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Blame it on Clinton all you want. What it comes down to is a failure to beat right wing candidates on a state by state, seat by seat basis. The Democrats have taken some of that momentum back and will likely get the presidency. Success breeds success, Dems. Faulty historical memories do not.
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Jan 7, 2008 6:33 AM
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NAFTA--good intentions unintended consequences.None of you smear agents point out consequences of PESO tanking.
READ TRUTHS--
PRAISE CLINTON AND GORE WITH PLEASURE
GDP--rose from 6,300 to 11,600
NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion--
JOBS CREATED—237,000 per month to replace Jimmy Carter record of 218,000.
AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS--$360 to $478
AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED--never hit 35.0--hit that mark 4 times in 80's
UNEMPLOYMENT--from 7.2% down down down to as low as 3.9%
MINIMUM WAGE--$4.25 to $5.15
MINORITIES--did exceedingly well
HOME OWNERSHIP--hit all time high (no big deal most can say this-except Reagan)
DEFICIT--290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS
DEBT----+28%---300% increase over prior 12 years by Conservatives.
FEDERAL SPENDING--+28%---+80% under Reagan- who is da true conservative?
DOW JONES AVERAGE—3,500 to 11,720 top in 2000. All it's history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it
NASDAQ--700 to 5,000 top in 2000.---All of it's history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it
VALUES INDEXES-- almost all bad went down--good went up in zoom zoom zoom
FOREIGN AFFAIRS--Peace on Earth good will toward each other---Mark of a true Christian--what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?
POPULARITY---highest poll ratings in history during peacetime in AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE . Even 98.5% in Moscow--left office with Highest Gallup rating since it was started in 1920's.
STAND UP FOR JUSTICE--evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught one very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.
BOW YOUR HEADS—“Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton's character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world. Amen”.
THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.
clarence swinney-political historian-Lifeaholics of America- burlington nc
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CLINTON ANTI-TERROR————Terrorists Attacks Stopped, under Clinton, by Richard Clarke
1.Millennium hi-jack and bombing plots
2.Plot to kill the Pope
3.Plot to blow up 12 US Jetliners simultaneously
4.To blow up UN Headquarters
5.To blow up FBIHeadquarters
6.Blow up Israeli Embassy in Washington
7.Blow up Boston Airport
8.Blow up Lincoln Tunnel and Holland Tunnel
9.Blow up George Washington Bridge
10.Blow up U.S. Embassy in Albania
Brought perpetrators of first World Center bombing and CIA Killings to justice.
Did not blame Bush I for first World Trade Center Bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office.
Formed Hart-Rudman Commission –report put on Bush desk 1-31-01 Nothing happened.
Send legislation to Congress to “tighten Airport Security” It was defeated by Republicans because of opposition from the airlines. “secure cockpits”.
Sent Legislation to Congress to add Tangents to explosives to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. Republicans defeated it because of NRA opposition.
Increased the Military Budget by 14%.
Tripled the Budget of the FBI for CounterTerrorism .
Doubled overall funding for CounterTerrorism
Detected and destroyed Al Qaeda Cells in over 20 countries.
Robert Oakley-Reagan Ambassador for CounterTerrorism “Overall, I give Clinton Very High Marks and the only criticism I have is the obsession with Osama Bin Laden.”
Paul Bremer believed Bill Clinton had “correctly focused on Bin Laden.”
Bart Gellman—Washington Post–“By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him and was the “first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort”.
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President Clinton had --ONE--ONE if you can read--name more than one member of his administration CONVICTED of a FELONY committed while WORKING FOR President Clinton. Evil man took $12,000 worth of trips to ball games. Shame.
I will not list the 137 Reagan members charged with crimes usually from fraud.
Also, I challenge Smearathug Morris to list one lie Bill Clinton told us on POLICY.
Try me.
Yes! Hindsight can criticize many things. Intent. What was intent? Iraq Invasion. Intent?Unintended consequences?
99% Perfect= Clinton Clean as Ivory Soap.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 7, 2008 6:58 AM
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Much of the economic prosperity brought about under the Clinton administration was due to large degree of deadlock between the executive and legislative branches. This offers at least correlative evidence that the less government re-gifts us with using our own resources, the better the average citizen fares.
Contrast the relative prosperity we enjoyed under deadlock with what occurred during the six years of aligned goals between the president and congress: I'll sign your pork, you pass my tax cuts, and we'll print money and start a perpetual war unrelated to national defense. Ah, unholy togetherness.
Of course, some of foot-dragging on non-obvious government initiatives such as piling up dirt to separate a giant cereal bowl-shaped, densely populated plot of land from large bodies of water can be deadly if neglected.
Wait, nevermind...priorities, folks, priorities! Let's build a giant southern fence instead of these silly things called levees. My (hypothetical) brother in law makes chain-link for a living...and he could also use a visit by the magical, gift-bearing federal toothfairy.
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Brothers?
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Jan 7, 2008 7:21 AM
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David Morris on Clinton record in Alternet today.
Unfortunately, I did not read entire article before I started Smearing David.
When I pulled up to Print I read all.
I apologize.
Nonetheless, David printed good intent and unintended consequences.
He did not address success of Nafta prior to Peso tanking.
Telecommunications Big Big Goof by Clinton.
For each that turned out poor I can name many good ones.
Perfect. No. GREAT? Yes.
google clarence swinney + clinton
I strive to be honest but I am only 99.9% pure Yo ho ME dumbo.
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Posted by: haystack1317 on Jan 7, 2008 7:59 AM
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The bottom line is that Globalization is exactly what the name implies -- a transfer of wealth and power from nations to multinationals with allegiance to no specific country (Halliburton just moved its headquarters to Dubai, for Christ's sake.) Why on earth would anyone support a force that puts corporations above the laws of his or her country? Clinton had a very, very large part, with his brains and his charms and his professed caring for the working class, in convincing America that free trade and globalization were inevitable and ideal. America is rejecting that now as they watch Hillary attempt to turn back the clock.
The Clinton years were one of the steps that led us to where we are today, undoubtedly. They were not a swinging of the pendulum to the left but a slight slowing down in the pendulum's swing to the right. Try to find some independent media anywhere besides the internet and tell me he was good for democracy.
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Posted by: warrior woman on Jan 7, 2008 9:15 AM
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Don't let the Republican ways of the Clinton group sway you their way. The only thing that we might get to keep is Roe V. Wade, there will be little else left.
Remember who is crafting the polling information in the news today. Recall also who is the biggest threat to Clinton, it's not Obama, it's Edwards (sorry Dennis). Don't fall for the propaganda when it's time for your caucus.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 7, 2008 9:16 AM
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The fact that Gingrich was willing to actually shut down the government gives you no indication of what it was like to live amid the craziest crazies of the age?
And I'll bet you think Bill waited too long to go into Bosnia. He shoulda done it sooner, right? Like he shoulda vetoed NAFTA for a third time? Twice wasn't good enough for you.
I wish I could find someplace where I did not have to slog through political propaganda under the guise of political analysis.
I never voted for Bill. I didn't have to since he was so popular in my state, he was a shoo-in--even in a state that voted for Raygun twice.
The proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Stop blaming Bill.
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Posted by: audiodef on Jan 7, 2008 9:28 AM
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However, let the record show that I am against relatives of former presidents being allowed to run for office. I can't believe this wasn't written into the Constitution. Can you say "favoritism"? How about "regime"? I also don't like Hillary, but that's not an acceptable excuse to pass her husband's fault onto her.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 7, 2008 9:35 AM
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The economic approach that Clinton pursued was driven by Robert Rubin:
"From January 20, 1993, to January 10, 1995, Robert Rubin served in the White House as Assistant to the President for Economic Policy. In that capacity, he directed the National Economic Council, which Bill Clinton created after winning the presidency."
The Wikipedia entry contains the conventional corporate wisdom regarding the Clinton-Rubin neoliberal approach:
"In January 1995, one year after the signing of NAFTA and immediately after his swearing in as Secretary of Treasury, Mexico was suffering through a financial crisis possibly resulting in default on foreign obligations. President Bill Clinton with the advice of Secretary Rubin and Chairman Alan Greenspan provided $20 Billion in US loan guarantees to the Mexican government through the Exchange Stabilization Fund (ESF).
"In 1997-1998, Treasury Secretary Rubin, Deputy Secretary Lawrence H. Summers, and Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan worked with the International Monetary Fund and others to effectively combat and contain financial crises in Russian, Asian, and Latin American financial markets. In its February 15, 1999 edition, Time Magazine dubbed the three policymakers “The Committee to Save the World.”
The facts of the matter, however, are described in Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine. See The Shock Doctrine: Bill Clinton and Boris Yeltsin for a good short discussion.
The so-called Rubin wing of the Democratic Party includes both Clinton and Obama - Rubin associates are close advisers to the Obama campaign - see David Sirota on the Rubin wing of the Democratic Party.
Rubin's bio is pretty interesting reading. He used to be a senior partner at Goldman Sach, and is now is now chairman of the executive committee of Citigroup. That explains a lot of the funding given to Obama and Clinton. (opensecrets.org)
The real legacy of the Clinton era includes NAFTA and the 1996 Telecom Act. The only positive thing one can say is that the Clinton-era Supreme Court appointments were far, far better than the Reagan-Bush-Bush appointments. Thanks to the Republicans, we've now got a politicized and corrupt Supreme Court that puts corporate interests before Constitutional law.
The only leading candidate who openly rejects the Rubin approach - sucking up to corporate interests in exchange for large campaign donations - is John Edwards.
In that regard, I really don't understand why Kucinich instructed his supporters to get behind Obama. Perhaps Obama promised him a vice-presidential slot? Perhaps Kucinich thinks Obama is a better choice than Hillary, and that Edwards can't win? Who knows? Politicians will be politicians, after all.
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Posted by: PJAW on Jan 7, 2008 10:09 AM
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Clinton was hardly a Kennedy Democrat, he was much more centrist, with rightward leanings. If you wanted a Democrat for President, you would have supported Jerry Brown, who was pretty much the last man standing against Clinton in the primaries before the '92 general election. Brown was marginalized and villified by the MSM, who referred to him as "Governor Moonbeam". (This was a moniker hung on him by Mike Royko of the Chicago Tribune for his support of a telecommunications system that would be powered in part by sunlight refleced from the moon's surface. The system is in place and working quite well and Royko later apologized for the damage he had created)
If you want someone who promotes Democratic ideals, and policies that can turn this country around to head on a peaceful, more humanitarian path, Kucinich is the only candidate worth supporting, with Edwards possibly the second choice. Hillary pretty much represents "business as usual" while Obama has yet to prove that he is capable of anything more substantive than great stump speeches.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 7, 2008 11:56 AM
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The Clintons are about the Clintons- front and center. They are also quite capable of lying to anyone with a straight face- repeatedly.
Clinton governed as his wife has served in the Senate- as a moderate Repugnican that happens to have a 'D' attached to their title. DLC through and through.
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Posted by: johnp on Jan 7, 2008 12:03 PM
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Blitzer, and the networks that sponsor them, CNN, MSNBC, etc. Deliberately sabotaging a candidate at a critical moment in her career, because of long held media hostility against her, but particularly against her husband.
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Posted by: mnascimento on Jan 7, 2008 12:04 PM
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I kept thinking, how can "they" keep seeing this woman through rose colored glasses?
It would be nice if the women who are in prominent positions, Condolezza Rice, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary had the best interests of the country at heart.
Even better, if we weren't so shallow, that we dismiss candidates who do have our best interests, but who are not physically attractive. Ron Paul, Kucinech, and Bill Richardson, to name a few never really had a chance, based on appearance alone.
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Posted by: wrogal on Jan 7, 2008 12:19 PM
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I think the reason is because both Clinton and Bush Sr and Jr went to Yale and belonged to the ultra-secret "Skull & Bones" which apparently teaches corporate world domination and profit at any cost (Ferengi economics)!
I agree we need a COMPLETE CHANGE in Washington, we need to tell the Clintons to make speeches and write books and that's all, and we need to shove the entire Bush family and every neocon Republican into a space shuttle and send it to Alpha Centari ONE WAY!
Obama may not be JFK, but he has my vote if it means getting away from the Bushes and the Clintons.
SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
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Posted by: common intelligence on Jan 7, 2008 2:03 PM
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The republicans have claimed, "letting Clinton win his election was a mistake". Under the radar no amount of blame on conditions that the Fascists/ Bush/NeoconJobs have brought forth on America can be put on Clinton.
If you want to point figures you must take sharp aim at the foreign policy issues that are dictated and controled by the CIA, FBI, and the Military Industrial complex.
Attention Readers: WATCH THE DISTRACTIVE TACTICS like this lasie fair articles. KEEP FOCUSED ON THE CRIMINALS IN OFFICE and Impeachment and the truth of 911.
Oral sex does not equate with installing an illegal government and the raping, pillaging, and plundering, of an other country ie Iraq. Nor the indiscimanate murder of 100's of thousand of innocent children and citizens for an illegal invasion created by deception and and distratcive tactics used on the American people. Nor deceiving Americans and shanghaiing Americas Young warriors for a false flag operation to distroy the nations economy as it is. The national treasure was in the bank during Clinton. Now CHildren, not even born yet are, indentured servants and will blame us for their ill begotten lives. All while the top 5% of CorpoRats remain disconnected from the masses realities.
Like, where's Kenneth Starr now? Dare none call this regime Bush/Neocon/ AIPAC a conspiratorial action!
Readers: Stay focused on BUSH, Cheney, the whole lot. These are the criminals to focus on. Even the election is pushing peoples attention away from impeachment proceedings. Look, New Hampshire and Iowa keeps the debate clear of truth sayers like Kucinich.
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Posted by: chhabili on Jan 7, 2008 2:04 PM
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Toni Morrison can shout about Bill Clinton being the first black president all she wants. But his treatment of African Americans in his admiistration was far from stellar. After all, the Clintons are stealth Republico Fascists in liberal clothing.
May the Clintons never raise their ugly GOP heads again.
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Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Jan 7, 2008 6:12 PM
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Now, every single one of the Repubs scare the hell out of me. It would be a complete disaster to allow any of them to win.
I don't think Obama has enough fight in him. With all his talk abut cooperation, what is going to happen when the Repubs attack him; will he fold when they pull out the dirty tricks? Kerry was such a huge disapointment when he didn't fight back at the swiftboaters until it was way, way too late.
At least with Hillary, I can see her fighting back, and loving every second of it.
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Jan 7, 2008 8:36 PM
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If it were not for progressives would democrats have ever passed FMLA, social security, or the like?
Bush nominated harriet myers till the conservative base said no way and pushed for roberts.
What have conservatives done for women or minorities?
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Why don't you idiots get off Bill Clinton when we've have the absolutely worst president in the history of the U.S. and pay attention to the issues facing us? Bill is not running for president, and Hillary will be a better president than anyone running although Bozo could do a better job than the current, appointed, unelected one whose minions didn't even allow FL votes to be counted. So get off it. It's a new day, nearly eight yrs. later. If you want change, vote Democrat, whoever it is. I have no doubt the ReThugs will find another way to steal the election again, whether it be with voting machines or denying people the right to vote as they did in FL in 2000, and in Ohio in 2004!
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Posted by: armorypk on Jan 7, 2008 9:28 PM
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Then again, the Clinton years look like paradise compared to the catastrophe wrought by Bush and Co. With all his faults, at least Bill wasn't a sociopath. At least Bill wasn't a constant embarrassment to the entire country. At least Bill had some command of the English language. At least ol' Bill possessed a triple-digit I.Q.
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Posted by: Len Miller on Jan 9, 2008 9:20 AM
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Why are we compelled to bring down a person that supports and has always supported Universal Health Care, who has Union support, who is, as someone else said, self made, who will work to overturn the tax cuts for the wealthy. She is a highly intelligent person. Why bring her down? Is she perfect? Of course not-none of us are. Do I wish she had voted differently on the Iraq War? Yes.
I believe that she has come to realize that the War and its continuation is bad for the country and bad for the World. Hillary Clinton is, without doubt, a much better choice than any Republican? If she wins the nomination, do not allow another 4 years of Bush type government by failing to vote or "wasting" a vote. We must work together to get the "bums" out of office. Hillary is not the first choice, but she is not a poor one either.
I do not believe that she is corrupt. Certainly, not the corruption we have seen over the past 7 years. Yes, Bill Clinton compromised. I would like to see a fight for a principle-- but in this World we do not always get our way nor do things move as swiftly as they should. I do not believe they are neocon light. I believe that the Clintons are basically decent people.-- Far different from the crew that has been in charge.
From everything I have ever read about the Clintons, they are dedicated to public service. Certainly, President Clinton-early on, wanted to do right by his fellow man. No one is right about everything--- but if the attitude is right, as I believe it is with the Clintons, we are a step ahead of the game. We are miles ahead of the Republicans.
Sometimes, change is slow and cautious. But, is it not wonderful to see that the Democrats have as leading candidates a woman and a person of color-- and right behind them, a Latino and a Southern White. Take a good look at what you have on the other side. Don't cut off your nose, etc.
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Clinton's Iraq Legacy Questioned as he comes to Grand Rapids
Bill Clinton, NAFTA, and Michigan
Bill Clinton and Welfare Reform
Bill Clinton and Media Policy
Clinton's Environmental Policy
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Posted by: niliadis on Jan 12, 2008 12:48 PM
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With Mrs. Clinton anything you can say about her she is experienced. No matter what how bias is the media and the journalists if you can call them this, she keeps going and we all know that this country was in a surplus during the clinton times. There was more prosperity during the Clinton times. This article is full of manipulation and exagerations and if you are an idiot go ahead be my guest..However if you want to think..Maybe Obama may do it, he might be able to do it, I think he can do it..MIGHT, THINK, MAYBE are words we can not afford in the trying and crucial times we are in and what we are about to face. We can not afford to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.Its just the plain truth! We need action not words, do you ever wonder why his advisors do not let him answer questions? There has even been talk about puting a device so that they can help him answere questions, but just decided he would not take questions, instead they opted to his imitation of Martin Luther King, a poor imitation at that. The only difference is Martin Luther King talked about his issues and Martin Luther King was the real
Leader... Obama is an empty vessell that articulates quit well, but what does he really say? empty words with empty promises. Remember with out experience we can not make change happen, with out experience we can not bring hopes to a reality. Lets come down to earth!!!!
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Posted by: niliadis on Jan 12, 2008 1:06 PM
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a cheap example of a wanabe journalist. He would absolutley drop dead If Mrs Clinton would be elected and guess what No Great loss for such a scum of the earch wanabe journalist!
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Posted by: janelynne on Jan 12, 2008 1:20 PM
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But along came Bush who squandered all America's prosperity by awarding contracts to his cronies to throw a war and chase after oil. We have fallen behind educationally, financially, and we have lost our good reputaton.
Meanwhile, every time there is legislation that is fought for by the Democrats, to regulate, make more safe, or make more commerce more fair by the big oil companies, or any of the big conglomerates, the GOP vote it down. Or Bush vetoes it.
The Bush administration shamefully denies global warming because their friends in electricity and their friends in oil will begin to see their big profit margins decrease with the rise of wind, solar, geothermal and other renewable energies that make the world and America better.
Nafta did not fail due to deregulation. Nafta fails today because big companies move their headquarters off shore, don't pay taxes, and hire people in the third world to make products cheap so they can have wide profit margins. In the process products that were born in the USA with American ingenuity have been lost overseas. Now people are trying to make a living with the leftovers from the corporate profits. Blaming Bill CLinton is ridiculous, and blaming Hillary Clinton is just a smear tactic.
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Posted by: leland61 on Jan 12, 2008 2:35 PM
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He rained down radioactive bombs on Iraq and on Serbia. He is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi infants and children from disease and hunger. He was a smiling monster just like George HW, George W and Ronnie the Brain Dead.
I have to admit that he fooled me and I voted for the sob the first time. By the second time everyone who was actually paying attention to what he was really doing voted for someone else. Mrs. Clinton is another wolf in sheep's clothing. She owes her soul to the big pharm, big insurance and the the manufacturers of weapons of mass destruction just like Billy did. They are a bunch of liars and cutthroats, brigands and pirates in disguise.
Mrs. Clinton would be a moderate to slightly hawkish Republican in the 60s and 70s. She is a fake and a fraud and most certainly not a Democrat in any 'traditional' sense of someone whose primary interests is in the working classes of this country.
Sometimes it looks like most of the so-called progressives and liberals who write these columns and responses were born yesterday and have absolutely no knowledge of what has been going on for the last 50 - 60 years. I do because I lived throught it and I was paying attention.
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Posted by: Shey on Jan 12, 2008 8:20 PM
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So the best we could expect is some moderation on social issues that don't really concern the mega-corporations, but no change in the policies dictated by the mega-corporations, the policies that are destroying what's left of our Democracy.
Does anyone really believe that either Hilary or Obama would take on the mega-corporations on the issue of union busting? The worst culprit is Wal-Mart, and who has accepted all that money from Wal-Mart, the largest corporation on the planet?
Do you really believe that either Hilary or Obama would move to stop the practice of allowing giant corporations to use small offshore offices to avoid paying most taxes? Or move toward reversing the policies of allowing unregulated, uninspected poisoned goods into this country, goods manufactured by twelve year olds working under slave labor conditions? No, because the mega-corporations profit from it and NAFTA allows it.
NAFTA is possibly the worst thing that has ever happened to this country and the world (thanks, Bill). And I'm not tarring Hilary with the same brush for no reason, she supports so called "free trade" too, as does Obama.
So called "free trade" (NAFTA and related treaties) contributes to everything from catastrophic climate change to first our pets then our kids being poisoned by unregulated Chinese imports, to GMO's in our food and continued corporate welfare for agri-business while they poison our soil and destroy the soil's ability to produce healthy crops(yes, there are links to NAFTA and "free trade" policies, do the research) to the destruction of entire indigenous cultures and their environment in the pursuit of "blood diamonds" in Africa or "dirty gold" in South America, to native peoples being used as lab rats by international pharmaceutical concerns in Africa (the film "The Constant Gardener" was not, fiction).
The only electable candidate who is not in the pockets of the corporate perpetrators of these obscenities, is John Edwards. The only one who has stated that he would, as president, take on "corporate greed". The only one who is unabashedly and demonstrably pro-union in an era of destruction of workers rights.
Support Edwards, he is our only hope. Kucinich is a good person with good ideas, but do we really want to go down supporting someone unelectable, while the destruction of our Democracy by mega-corporations continues and a good, viable candidate falls by the wayside because the front runners are out-spending him ten times over, with corporate money? There is a viable choice, it doesn't have to be the lesser of several evils, yet again.
Wake up people, John Edwards is literally our last hope.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 14, 2008 10:52 PM
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Republicans spend their time destroying others. They have no virtues to brag about so they think that if they destroy others they have somehow elevated themselves. The real weakness in the Clinton presidency was the constant alienation of an overwhelming majority of republicans in congress. He could never get anything done. They could override his veto. The democrats can't override Bush's veto right now. Bush has more power in his last two years than Bill did at anytime in his 6.
Consequently, you may not extend any part of what Bill's presidency was to create a predictor of what Hillary's presidency might be. A democratic congress did not gee and haw with Bill Clinton during his first 2 years. If Hillary were to get a democratic congress, we still do not know whether they would cooperate enough to get anything done. I have wondered often if the people didn't get mad at the democratic congress for not doing what they wanted for that first two years. So they just fired them. To mix a metaphor, it was just out of the frying pan and into the fire.
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Posted by: afrothetics2 on Jan 20, 2008 8:14 AM
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If you vote for Hillary, expect the same old, same old boys policies and legislation. More and more, the plantation paradigm pervades American life. Ms. Ann and Mr. Charlie, lawdy, lawdy, lawdy.
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Posted by: niliadis on Jan 20, 2008 2:18 PM
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So all you Clinton Bashers that twist and manipulate the truth are a bunch of followers that listen to the wannabe journalist and media. Do your homework!!! I am not saying the Clintons were perfect, far from it but so was every other candidate that we have had. Never like this administration..And we certainly do not one that will make it worse with his inexperience. He is hardly a jr. Senator that has not done very much in the Senate and now wants to hop skip and a jump into the white house even at the cose of racism manipulation. We are beyond all this and must not listen to those wanabe Journalist and bias media. Do your homeowrk:
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Posted by: yellowdog on Jan 21, 2008 12:30 PM
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As parents of a mentally retarded daughter, we saw him scurry home to Arkansas during his first campaign to preside over the execution of a mentally retarded convict who requested that his dessert be saved for him to eat "after the execution." Bill sure showed the public how tough he was on crime. I cried.
I used to wonder about the nickname "Slick Willie," but after 16 years it's apparent that it fits him AND her like a glove. During the Florida Democratic Convention the rule was that no paid staff was to be present. Every candidate but Clinton abided by that rule. She had paid staff all over the place. I later learned she did the same in Pennsylvania. The Clintons never met a rule they wouldn't break. Their sense of entitlement is astonishing. They apparently feel they are political royalty. Well, I fear they are going to go back to Washington, D.C. once again, but this time they will do it without my vote. I will do a write in for John Edwards. I won't vote for another Clinton in MY lifetime. Twice was enough.
I don't know how people can say that this is a "right wing" or "conservative" post. I am far more left-wing than the Clintons; I suppose that people who disagree with we liberals would rather call us "conservative" to salve their hurt feelings than to admit the truth -- that the Clintons (both of them) ARE Republican Lite.
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