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Iowa: Edwards Takes on Corporate Greed

By Marc Cooper, Huffington Post. Posted December 29, 2007.


Edwards is in the midst of a final 38-county push to win next Thursday's Iowa caucuses.
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Dubuque, Iowa -- Amid a heavy snow storm Friday afternoon, an overflow crowd of several hundred supporters bundled into a meeting hall in this economically battered town to hear candidate John Edwards escalate his closing campaign message of opposing "corporate greed" and denounce what he called a "small group of profiteers" dominating American life.

"Everything about America is threatened today ... this is an epic struggle for the future of America," Edwards told the cheering crowd. "Corporate greed and the very powerful use their money to control Washington and this corrupting influence is destroying the middle class."

While all of the presidential campaigns have refocused to some degree on foreign policy in the wake of the murder of Pakistani leader Benazir Bhutto, Edwards is keeping his message of economic fairness front and center during the final week of campaigning here. "We will defeat greed and fear -- and strike a blow for working people, for those with no voice, for those Washington has ignored too long." Edwards made no mention of the Pakistani crisis in his newly re-tooled stump speech.

While Edwards has consistently campaigned on an economically populist program, his speech today in Dubuque was marked by a noticeable ratcheting up and radicalization of his critique of corporate wealth and power.

"Why on earth would we expect the corporate powers and their lobbyists, who make billions by selling out the middle-class, to just give up their power because we ask them nicely?" Edwards asked. He made no mention of rivals Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in today's speech; in the past, he has slammed Clinton for being too indebted to powerful Washington lobbies.

Edwards is in the midst of a final 38-county push to win next Thursday's Iowa caucuses. Even his own supporters will concede that taking Iowa is a do-or-die must for a campaign running third in national polls, but in a virtual dead heat in the Hawkeye State with rivals Clinton and Obama.

Nestled on the gritty Illinois border, Dubuque has been hit hard by the collapse in American manufacturing jobs and offers itself as a perfect venue for Edwards' message of economic fairness. The local Flexsteel plant has lost about two-thirds of its 800 jobs over the past decade. Paper maker Georgia Pacific, another big employer in town, has also been hit hard by job exports.

"Iowa has lost twice as many jobs to unfair trade deals than it's won in the so-called technological revolution," Edwards adviser Dave "Mudcat" Saunders told the HuffPost before today's event started. "What kind of revolution is that?" Saunders said Edwards would stay on his message of opposing "unchecked greed" and that it was a theme that resonated deeply throughout the state.

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Friday Afternoon
Clinton, Iowa

I'm sitting in the gym at the Washington Middle School here in the eastern Iowa town of Clinton waiting for Barack Obama, who's running an hour late, to show up for one of his half-dozen events he's scheduled for today. I've been in Iowa less than 18 hours and have already logged more than 350 miles and driven through two snowstorms to catch three separate campaign events -- and I'm not complaining.


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*Let's out his most primal of Dean Screams*
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Dec 29, 2007 1:08 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
YEAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Seriously though, if Edwards gains momentum he just might swipe my vote from RP.

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» RP is a bad choice Posted by: benzene
» You're not enlightening me to anything Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» Here's an enlightening thought .... Posted by: newmoonnaturals
Passacaglia
Posted by: Shenonymous on Dec 29, 2007 3:36 AM   
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Edwards and Biden, now that would be a team to run America! We would have both home and abroad covered with intelligence and integrity.

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» RE: Biden Posted by: Lauren
excuse me, but isn't torture already illegal thanks to the prohibition of cruel
Posted by: Suzon on Dec 29, 2007 3:53 AM   
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and unusual punishment? What Biden and others should be promoting is the punishment of those responsible for permitting, enabling and excusing torture.

I'm glad that Edwards is staying focused on the impact of corporate power and hope that he's continuing to emphasize the fact that insurance companies and Big Pharma put huge profits above the health and well-being of American citizens.

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EDWARDS
Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 29, 2007 5:27 AM   
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I can not emphasize this enough: If the Democrats are stupid enough to give the nomination to Hillary Clinton, they'll deserve everything that happens to them. John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich are the first candidates since George McGovern (Remember him?) who have not forgotten that they are the political heirs of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Hillary Clinton is a Democrat in name only. Why do you think Rupert Murdoch has been holding fundraisers for her? Either she's in his pocket or he wants her nominated because he knows that she is destined to lose. Why have the big drug companies been doing the same? Why has the corporate-controlled media all but christened her as the 2008 standard bearer? You don't have to be a political scientist to figure any of this stuff out, folks!

And don't forget this: Hillary's nomination is all-but-certain to unleash a Nader style/third party uprising at the polls next year. That is a chance we can not afford to take again.

Every poll has John Edwards winning handily against any and all Republican challengers next year. Every poll has Hillary Clinton losing. Those are the facts, ma'am. Edwards energizes the base. Clinton does not.

Hey, Democrats! Do you want to know why I left your party almost a decade ago? You people are just dumb enough to give the nomination to Hillary Clinton! Prove me wrong, Dems. Prove me wrong.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: EDWARDS Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: DWARDS Posted by: Tom Degan
» 3rd party paranoia Posted by: benzene
» RE: EDWARDS Posted by: Chloe2005
» FDR Worship Misplaced Posted by: 2dogarage
» The truth hurts Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: The truth hurts Posted by: EdinIowa
» RE: The truth hurts Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: DWARDS Posted by: Sissy
» RE: DWARDS Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: DWARDS Posted by: cherylholmes
» RE: DWARDS Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: EDWARDS Posted by: Glennk1949
otto
Posted by: otto on Dec 29, 2007 5:29 AM   
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Interesting to think of how Saddam Hussein and a MINORITY of Sunnis could become "the axis of evil", but a MINORITY of corporation controllers and CEO's in the U.S. can continue to be perfectly acceptable...except in the eyes of Edwards, thank God.

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If I'm Dreaming, Don't Wake Me!
Posted by: dustinblythe on Dec 29, 2007 6:27 AM   
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As a long time Edwards supporter, and a long time Alternet reader, to see so many positive, in depth stories about John Edwards and his platform on my fave news site seems like a dream. Especially when the majority of reader's comments are favorable as well.

I am going to Iowa on New Year's Eve to do my part on behalf of the Edwards campaign and this latest round of stories about Edwards' surge of momentum the week before the caucus has me more energized than ever!

Dustin Blythe
Mishawaka, IN

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» You ain't Dreaming Brother! Posted by: single-serving poster
» RE: You ain't Dreaming Brother! Posted by: lisaisalefty
» Bet you ten bucks. Posted by: single-serving poster
a message to the people of Iowa
Posted by: old prof on Dec 29, 2007 6:47 AM   
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I hope that the people of Iowa will refuse to bend to the corporate media's attempt to keep John Edward's out of the picture. Tell the media to go to blazes and cast your vote for the man the corporate power brokers fear the most---vote for John Edwards!

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» "Go to blazes" Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: "Go to blazes" Posted by: lisaisalefty
» RE: "Go to blazes" Posted by: Lauren
The King will not Save Us.
Posted by: single-serving poster on Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We're not naive children here, certainly?

Edwards deserves support, not because HE will right anything, or how perfect and unassailable HE is.

But because in a scenario where Edwards can bash some unfortunate G.O.P. candidate saddled with Bush II's legacy, dragging momentum for populist congressional candidates with him, all the while railing eloquently against Corporate Greed, and Corruption:

We might just have a congenial atmosphere for important change in this country for the first time since Franklin Roosevelt died!


Can you get over your -understandable- quesyness at Huckabee's kooky religious convictions to see that even the MASSIVELY SURGING REPUBLICAN candidate is appealing to POPLULIST, WORKING-CLASS values?


I dream of a Edwards/Obama vs. Huckabee/Whoever race---- imagine it!

The Populist Plain-Talk Lawyer-for-the-People, and the Youthful, Charismatic "Beyond-Race" Mid-West Senator,

-against-

The Witty, Down-Home, Working-man's Baptist Preacher, and Whoever has the stones to stand with him against the MoneyBoys (Ron Paul?)

Ha, effin- HA!

What will the Oligarchs do then?

Cook up some big "fear" action to justify suspending the elections as so many of the "made themselves experts" on the InterWebs predict?

You tell me, where's the money in facing down the combined might of 50 million armed-to-the-teeth Rednecks and 100 million "that's the final straw!" ex-middle-class Workers?

NOT GONNA HAPPEN KIDS


Everybody on the "left" needs to start opening their eyes and face it:

THE BIG CHANGE IS COMIN' BABY!

Not the way we foresaw perhaps, but it's coming.

With the collapse of the Credit Finance system, with the It's-gotten-to-damn-obvious state of the environment, and with the continued, mind-numbingly stupid squeezing of the Majority by the Oligarchical Minority, it's coming.

Commodity and food prices going "north" because of the inevitable, and should have been predicted and accomodated for effects on price of Peak Oil, is gonna be the "straw that broke the American-willing-to-stand-bullshit's back".

Mark my words.



All this is why for the first time in my several decades of eligibility I might actually register and Vote for the damned President of the U-dot, S-dot.

As long as the Dems put up Edwards that is.

Hell, I might even go so far as to register DEM and vote in the primary if I thought it would help (though it would break my Commie Grandpa's Heart).


We don't NEED John Edwards as President, but we sure could USE him!.


Remember kids,

No King is a Good King.

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suppressed at gunpoint
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Dec 29, 2007 8:04 AM   
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a trillion dollar war on cancer and yet more cancer??????? you being lied to and poisoned . We have a medical dictatorship in America that only gives medicine for symptoms. No sickness = No money. These people need to be removed from research and decision making . why would you want to fix a problem that makes your company 200 billion anually .... google suppresed medical treatments .... google dr robert beck and check this site
http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html

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oh my lovely loonie friends :)
Posted by: g50 on Dec 29, 2007 8:35 AM   
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heh, edwards. i can't believe that ya'll have just fallen for this guy. he is such an unbelievable fake!

you want to know what would happen if huckabee & edwards some how bear their party's standard? president bloomberg - and i am voting for him.

i know there are economic frustrations, but what are these clowns going to do with their anti-corporate rhetoric? are they going to "take down the power of corporations"? sounds like a recipe for economic disaster. and if they aren't going to actually do anything they are just going to let you down by promising you the moon & giving you a photo of kraft cheese.

i can live with hillary, as long as she teams up with obama. and i can live with obama center-stage. clinton gets a bit carried away with her rhetoric some times, but is nowhere near as blatantly irresponsible with her promises as edwards. obama is honest - notice no real anti-corporate rhetoric. that's because like them or not corporations are the framework of the american economy & it has been that way since this land was colonized...they have to have a seat on the table, and yes, corporations can have a productive part in the process. they won't give away the farm, if that is what you want, but the recent ascendence of the left-liberal agenda is in no small part because the business class has simply turned away from the republicans due to their inability to govern effectively. corporate people are in fact informed & ready to accept both universal healthcare & global warming policies. even if what they want doesn't perfectly align with what you want, i bet you can get something out of the deal that is superior to the status quo, going forward without also taking steps back.

anyway, i'm not saying turn the keys over to corporate america. but people who work at corporations, who are employed by the corporate model, number in the dozens of millions and are part of our national family as well. the maturity to understand that we have to negotiate our mutual self-interest with good faith is vastly superior to the phoney edwardsian sibling rivalry.

one last thing - there can be such a thing as a good king. i mean, kings can be good or bad leaders, just as with democratically elected leaders. and if the national mood of discontent gives the GOP & DNC huckabee & edwards, i'd say bring on king bloomberg.

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» You win the prize! Posted by: single-serving poster
» RE: You win the prize! Posted by: g50
» And If your going to "quote" someone... Posted by: single-serving poster
» I HATE Corporate Welfare Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: You win the prize! Posted by: Lauren
» RE: You win the prize! Posted by: g50
» Pity the rich? I don't think so. Posted by: whatzaname
g50 - Corporate America, multi-nationals, the Fed and
Posted by: thekidde on Dec 29, 2007 8:46 AM   
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the international bankers already have the keys to America and everywhere else. Americans and other democracies must take them back and destroy the greedmongers and elitist robber barons. Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman - fuck 'em all.

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» You should've given up 4 posts ago. Posted by: single-serving poster
Central issue
Posted by: herbal on Dec 29, 2007 10:52 AM   
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The central issue on the restablishment of democratic government in USA is the rollback of corporate power. Edwards has taken the lead in this issue and if for no other reason deserves our support in the primaries. Huckabee represents religion and Clinton represents the worst of industry in the ruling class system of corporatism (wikipedia for coproratism Mussolini).

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Edwards needs to turn his negative attacks into positive leadership
Posted by: Rune on Dec 29, 2007 11:18 AM   
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"Why on earth would we expect the corporate powers and their lobbyists, who make billions by selling out the middle-class, to just give up their power because we ask them nicely?"

Edwards is right about the need to fight for economic opportunity, of course, but to attract widespread support, he needs to emphasize opportunity instead of finger pointing and fighting. Even people burned by the pillaging of economies far and wide, including right here in the U.S., still lap up takes of the land of opportunity. In fact, the main reason most voters are upset is that the three biggest myths about America have been busted by Bush:

(1) The U.S. is the biggest, bestest do-gooder nation on the planet;

(2) The U.S. can and should run the world through economic and military might that ultimately brings peace and justice to all who deserve it; and,

(3) The U.S. is the land of opportunity and prosperity for the hard working, common person.

Pointing fingers at the multinational, robber-baron corporations that are vacuuming up the wealth and health of the nation faster than Ross Perot can say "sucking sound" may play well to party loyalists who are mad as hell and highly motivated to participate in primaries and caucuses, but it is not going to be an attractive message to the barely conscious that give the GOP hope for another four years despite the ruin they have already wrought for the last seven. Most people are just too afraid and traumatized to let go of their hope that they will have a job and just enough pay to live a descent life to risk anything that sounds like an attack on the powerful providers of jobs--until they hear that there is some sort of safety net and new promise awaiting them if they let go of their reliance on mega-corporations and whatever trifle they allow to trickle down to the mere mortals that work for them.

Edwards would do well to let go of the pain and fear rhetoric and put considerable focus on rewarding businesses for delivering on the promise of the greatest good for the greatest number (not the biggest billionaires) that was the original selling point of the theories of free trade and capitalism. Where business cannot deliver on that promise when left to its own devices, government has a legitimate role in regulating and facilitating economic activity so that such outcomes are more likely than the looting and laying waste that has become the devastating new norm of globalization.

Edwards has some good points. He just needs to put more attention on the good and less on being pointed.

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» Edwards/Obama - that's the ticket Posted by: whatzaname
Can you say.."Bilderberg"????
Posted by: starvinmarvy on Dec 29, 2007 2:22 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If I`m not mistaken....this guy AND Hillary
were guest at a Bilderberg gathering! Now...
I`m not Mr.Know It All by any means...but I`m thinking anyone even remotely connected with these Globalist are not good for us...the middle class
slaves of the state! Are we all still so ignorant
of what they let us see and read? Do we really think ANY...of these clowns will make a difference
in our lives? Do we think that the choices of the so called "presidency" of the "United States of America"....will bring peace and prosperity to we the people? To peace on the planet? To a better life for our children? Do you really think one of these "chosen few" will give us affordable healthcare?Ect????
They`re cut from the same mold folks.
The "election process" of this country is a joke.
The election process is a convenient diversion of whats really going on.
The presidency of this this country has become a "voicebox" for the global elitists!
I`m not saying anything here that we don`t already know.......right?
THEN....whats with this story on another
puppet?

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Doesn't matter...
Posted by: cherylholmes on Dec 29, 2007 2:48 PM   
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It doesn't matter who you vote for, Dem or Con. They are all the same. Have you seen any difference in your lives with a Democratic Congress? The poor, the elderly, the disabled and the middle class will be gone. We are nearly gone now with the economic downturn and war cuts to Medicare/Medicaid. The goal is to eliminate all but the wealthy. What they don't realize or care to realize is that when all the people who purchase their goods and services are gone, the wealthy will be gone too...that is when there is no one left to prop them up.

Your children, your grandchildren will all die in middle eastern wars that are perpetuated by either party because the government likes it, they love killing, torture, power, money and wealth. We let our government sell us out and destroy us. It's gone on for too long now to throw the plan in reverse and no candidate or elected official is about to do that anyway. These people don't represent us, so why bother to vote or get all excited about another phoney election? Nothing has or will change.

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» RE: Doesn't matter... Posted by: dustinblythe
» Congratulations..... Posted by: carbon-based
Trying to correct a mistake from nearly 28 years ago
Posted by: diof09 on Dec 29, 2007 6:20 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have to admit to something I'd rather not. Back in 1980 I attended the Republican caucuses here in Iowa and I played a small role at my caucus in getting support behind Bush I. As memory serves, I think it was only because we saw him as the lesser of the evils, I remember most of us thinking Reagan was pretty null and void even then. I've many a times thought us giving Bush that push then paved the way for the rise of his family's legacy that followed. But have no fear, I am solidly in the other camp and will do what I can on the 3rd to push for Edwards.

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Kucinich, you dolts!
Posted by: Clockwise Cat on Dec 29, 2007 7:49 PM   
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I can't believe you lap up this DK-wannabe. Kucinich is the REAL THING! Edwards is just DK-lite.

I'll take Edwards over Pillory and O-dumba, of course, but Edwards doesn't have the progressive credentials and the record that DK has.

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» RE: Kucinich, you dolts! Posted by: EdinIowa
» Kucinich, you dolt, indeed. Posted by: Philip Newton
Let's Hear it for Iowans
Posted by: richardbelldc on Dec 29, 2007 9:12 PM   
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Leaving aside the question of who YOU want to win, don't forget the point David was trying to make in this post: that having Iowa go first isn't a bad thing--that Iowans really take their unique, repeated, direct access to candidates seriously. I couldn't agree more with David's wish that the world would be better off if all the other states ran their elections like Iowa.

Even if Iowa's population is not representative of the country as a whole, I would rather have Iowans who pay attention doing the deciding than people whose only contact with the candidates is through the distorting lenses of the mainstream media and paid campaign commercials.

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Let's Give Edwards a Chance
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 29, 2007 9:33 PM   
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I am usually very skeptical and jaundiced when it comes to politicians. It seems in America, big money and corporate power have long since trounced the needs and agendas of the average working Joe (or working Mary). But, I think Edwards is worthy of consideration as an exception to this rule. He does seem willing to take a shot at the monstrosity called "free trade." A monstrosity that has sucked the manufacturing and industrial base out of the USA to the slave labor, corrupt practices of China and her cohorts. By doing even this alone, Edwards has shown some guts. I would like to hear more about what he is about. As for being progressive, he already sounds about 1000 times better then Hillary. A corporate shrill if ever there was one. And Obama, he is big talk but deeply in the pockets of big business and the banks. So, let's give Edwards a chance. And, we need to be alert for what will happen if he really is seen as a threat to big business Hillary. The mud and lies will start to fly like you would not believe.

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» RE: Let's Give Edwards a Chance Posted by: Glennk1949
» RE: Why the 1 rating? Posted by: UnEasyOne
Edwards Takes on Corporate Greed??? Since when?
Posted by: CharliePatton on Dec 30, 2007 12:44 PM   
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Show me Edward's votes against "corporate greed"?

Edwards voted for the reviled Bankruptcy Bill--not once, but twice in 2002 and 2005.

Obviously, Edwards chose financial interests over working families.

How does Edward's records square with "takes on corporate greed"? Clearly, Edwards is an enabler of "corporate greed".

The only venue where Edwards "takes on corporate greed" is in his empty promises, which too many gullible Democratic Party voters buy--hook, line and sinker--to their detriment, again and again.

Forget about what Edwards says--and the same goes for Shillery Clinton and Obama--and examine his voting record.

In addition, Edwards--or should I say, Judas--also sided with the entire GOP caucus to vote against the Wellstone amendment to the 2001 Bankruptcy "Reform" bill.

Moreover, Edwards rejected a means test amendment that would have protected debtors from sudden financial misfortune. On the same Bankruptcy "Reform" bill, Edwards again voted with the entire GOP caucus to reject an amendment that would have included a more consumer friendly means test than that included in the original bill.

And, last but not least, Edwards supported the final version of the Bankruptcy bill that "punishes the vulnerable." Months later, Edwards again voted for the similar version of the Bankruptcy bill that emerged from negotiations with the House of Representatives. He also voted to limit debate twice on the bill, stifling further amendments or arguments. This version was not substantively different from the earlier versions, as it still made it significantly harder for working Americans to discharge their debts through the bankruptcy system. Chris Dodd rejected this bill, along with Senators Durbin, Feingold, Harkin, Kennedy, Kerry and Wellstone. 14 Democrats and 2 Republicans voted against the final measure. (That is, HR 333, Vote 234, 7/17/01; HR 333, Vote 236, 7/17/01; HR 333, Vote 230, 7/12/01).

The late Senator Paul Wellstone, D-Minn, said the Bankruptcy "Reform" Bill--and I quote--"punishes the vulnerable and it rewards the big banks and credit card companies for their poor practices."

Edwards, Clinton and Obama's treachery extends to other policy debates, as well.

Where have they voted against a clearly illegal war?

Where have they stopped funding?

Where have they voted for re-deployment of the troops?

How about impeachment of the war criminal, George W. Bush?

The truth is that Edwards, Clinton and Obama have done nothing.

All you have, at the end of the day, when dealing with Republicans who masquerade as "Democrats"--like Edwards, Clinton and Obama--is a handful of empty promises, which they have no intention of fulfilling.

The reality is that Edwards, Clinton and Obama are funded by the same Americans and foreign entities who support and fund Bush and the Republican Party. The fact is that all three of them--Edward, Clinton and Obama--have tripped over themselves to give Bush everything he wants--from illegal war to corporate friendly legislation. None of them has fought Bush--none, not one of them.

And, finally, I must take issue with the author of this grotesque puff piece. The author misleads the reader when claiming that Edwards is anti-corporate, when examination of Edward's voting record proves that Edwards--like Clinton and Obama--is nothing more than Republican who masquerades as a "Democrat".

Forget about Edwards and his empty promises, and instead, examine his deeds.

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Saw his rally today on C-SPAN
Posted by: truthteller on Dec 30, 2007 1:46 PM   
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And he was bashing corporate control the entire time. I don't think he goes far enough on health care - Kucinich is still the ONLY candidate proposing a true non-profit single payer plan - but he's saying a lot of the right things otherwise.

I couldn't help fearing that at the end of this speech, or some speech, some day, we're going to hear the dreaded news report start out, "Earlier today, shots rang out at the end of John Edwards' rally...". It always seems to happen to those on the side of the people who fly too close to the Sun. I hope not this time. Maybe I've just seen the replay of RFK's last speech too often. Things like that that happen when you're young and impressionable have a way of haunting you for life.

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» RE: Saw his rally today on C-SPAN Posted by: CharliePatton
» RE: Oh, please Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: Keep trashing Edwards Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: Keep trashing Edwards Posted by: CharliePatton
» RE: Unbelievable Posted by: CharliePatton
» RE: Unbelievable Posted by: CharliePatton
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Posted by: Shenonymous on Dec 30, 2007 5:57 PM   
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