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What If America Were Invaded and Occupied?

By Dahr Jamail, The Progressive. Posted December 21, 2007.


"Unembedded" journalist Dahr Jamail reviews Meeting Resistance. With video.
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"Suppose Iraq invaded America. And an Iraqi soldier was on a tank passing through an American street, waving his gun at the people, threatening them, raiding and trashing houses. Would you accept that? This is why no Iraqi can accept occupation, and don't be surprised by their reactions," says "The Imam," a young man from a mixed Sunni-Shia family, as he explains the genesis of the insurgency in Iraq and its exponential growth.

He is one of the protagonists that Meeting Resistance presents as unmistakable evidence that the root cause of the conflict in Iraq is the occupation itself. The film has resistance fighters themselves tell their story.

Journalists-turned-filmmakers Molly Bingham and Steve Connors were compelled to film this documentary during their early reporting of the U.S. occupation of Iraq. They used the al-Adhamiya neighborhood of Baghdad to explore and depict an insurgency that has been caricatured by the Bush Administration.

Bingham, who has reported previously from Rwanda, the Gaza Strip, and Iran, was the official photographer to the Office of the Vice President of the United States from 1998 to 2001. She believes that it is imperative to understand the people within the resistance if the United States is to find a solution to the Iraq quagmire.

Bingham teamed up with Connors, a photographer who has covered ten conflicts and is a former British soldier who served in Northern Ireland in the early 1980s. Between the two of them they share thirty-three years of experience in covering conflicts around the globe.

In August of 2003, they began working on the film. The project kept them in Baghdad for ten months, as Connors filmed and Bingham wrote the script.

The eighty-five-minute groundbreaking film focuses on ten members of the Iraqi resistance. Interspersed with stunning footage of the aftermath of car bomb attacks, of frightened soldiers aiming their weapons at crowds of Iraqis, and of burning remains of destroyed military vehicles, the meat of the film is the words of the fighters themselves.

"I felt a fire in my heart," one of them recounts. "When they occupied Iraq, they subjugated me, subjugated my sister, subjugated my mother, subjugated my honor, my homeland. Every time I saw them I felt pain. They pissed me off, so I started working [in the resistance]."

The complex nature of their lives speaks to the intricacies of the Iraqi resistance.

"The Teacher," for instance, is married with three children, and always loathed the Ba'ath Party. "The Wife" is a Shiite woman who works as a courier, carrying messages and weapons between groups when she is not watching her two children. Other members, Sunni and Shia alike, work as consultants, weapon producers, and strategists.

In the spring of 2004, a twenty six-year-old photographer in Baghdad told me in an interview that "this is not a rebellion, this is a resistance against the occupation. The media concentrates on the Americans, and does not care about Iraqis." He had been opposed to the regime of Saddam Hussein, and had even welcomed the U.S. invasion, but had quickly grown weary of watching his fellow countrymen humiliated and killed by the occupiers. Like the people in Meeting Resistance, he had subsequently taken up arms.


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Powerful message, but wouldn't sink into fat amerikan
Posted by: PakiBoy on Dec 21, 2007 6:15 AM   
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heads!

Amerikans have yet to apologize and accept native american genocide, slavery, atrocities committed in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia...the list goes on.

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» On the dinner table? Posted by: Cathyc
» Mr. Mont... Posted by: buffeliscious
» Amerika is a shithole! Posted by: Cathyc
Amerika, das Reich
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Dec 21, 2007 6:43 AM   
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Was that René, from the résistance ?
No.. it is Mohamed the terrorist.
I suppose the SS also named colonel Rémy as a terrorist.
Your american military helmets DO more and more remember the one's from whermacht, it only lacks the swastika.
Yet.

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» RE: Not the swastica but... Posted by: nightgaunt
» Helmets Posted by: gellero
» RE: Helmets Posted by: saltoafronteira
DAHR JAMAIL, ONE OF MY FAVORITES
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 21, 2007 7:51 AM   
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It's hard for Americans to understand the question. We are a young country and until recently our ways have gone unchallenged. I've followed the Iraq story since day one. Early on I had to search for news on the war. Many were uninformed and liked it that way.I don't want someone to land here from another country and decide what to do with us. It's inhumane and unnatural.I'd fight like hell. The damage to Iraq can't be estimated. The USA has lost its friends. Lose, lose situation. Thanks, ANNA

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Switch It Around
Posted by: QQOblivion on Dec 21, 2007 9:13 AM   
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I have always (since the invasion of Afghanistan, actually) myself wondered, what if America instead was the country being preemptively invaded by some other country?
I mean, we here in this country even have or own version of the pro-torture, pro-violence, authoritarian Saddam: President Bush. And America REALLY DOES have WMDs.
I'm sure that many of us here in the US would love to have Bush/Cheney removed from power, even if by force. But would we stand for what inevitably goes along with forced regime-change? -- The sickening mass slaughter of innocents (including women and children), the chaos, the total break-down of the economy and infrastructure? I don't think so.
But we Americans have refused to put ourselves in our victims' shoes. Shame on us for that. No wonder everyone else hates Americans.

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» RE: Switch It Around Posted by: peacefullaim
Putting the shoe on the other foot is often
Posted by: thekidde on Dec 21, 2007 11:44 AM   
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painful. Unless you're a neo-con whose brain is so shriveled you can't get it around a concept such as this. Think King George III(the Brit - not shithead shrub) and the redcoats (Hessian mercenaries) - what did the revolutionist Americans do to them and their English masters - IEDs, sneaky attacks, guerilla warfare - duh. Oh, and did the occupier win - nope. Never has happened and never will. America can leave asap and try to save something of our honor, or stay and recruit more Muslim nutcases to the "cause".

Dems are chicken, Repukes are nuts, we're fucked. Oh, merry christmas, happy holidays, cheery chanukkah, kooky kwanzaa, wacky winter soltice, shit, just go spend yourself into a haze and pray (for all the good it will do you).

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» Really??? Posted by: gellero
No need to invade America, is there?
Posted by: ibsteve2u on Dec 21, 2007 6:01 PM   
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Most people have already noticed that individuals and organizations like The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the corporations, the Republicans, Bill Clinton and on and on have been hard at work exporting American jobs and removing health care and other benefits from Americans in those rare cases where their jobs still exist.

It is quite possible that the people who actually do any fighting on behalf of the U.S. might make an agreement with any invading force to surrender if that invading force guaranteed the timely trials and executions of the small subset of people who have been replacing the American Dream with an authoritation, hereditary aristocracy that controls a mind-boggling portion of America's wealth.

When you look within our political and corporate structures, you can see enormous reasons to "give the new guy a chance".

"The new guy" - simply for the sake of acquiring wealth - will probably return America's factories to America in order to avoid pouring their profit margin into the inevitably rising costs of transportation down the road.

"The new guy" will no doubt understand that happy, healthy people with jobs make productive and loyal people; that is always a good investment.

But it will never come to an invasion. When the day comes that the neocons et al that run America realize they have us so far in debt that we can't repay and that we have offshored so much technology that whatever country is interested in us will soon have a 50% or better chance of taking the nation over while avoiding complete destruction of our infrastructure, the neocons will promptly begin putting more and more chunks of America and its infrasture up for sale.

Then when critical mass has been reached vis a vis who can prove ownership of America, the neocons will gather their riches, families, and toadies and sail off to some lovely dessert island to congratulate themselves on achieving what the Kaiser, Hitler, Stalin, Khruschev, Tojo, and Mao could not: The elimination of America from the roles of History.

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Do unto others.....
Posted by: vox persona on Dec 22, 2007 12:33 AM   
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I'm glad I finally occasionally see the question put...what if it was America invaded, the leader deposed, roadblocks and check points set up for years, complete with doors kicked in and a mercenary army allowed to run free evidently with impunity? We installed a puppet, the people (from both countries) want us gone, and the ones that want us there just want cover for their death squads we endorse tacitly by arming. What would we do. Americans, staunchest of armed patriots, would indulge in every type of guerilla warfare that was effective. Our original patriots were "insurgents". Bush lied us into an unnecessary and counterproductive "war"/occupation that costs us $4,000 PER SECOND, used manipulated and cherry-picked intel, wrung out the 9/11 rationale, and deliberately 'terrorizes' his own populace in a cynical and diabolical way with talk of mushroom clouds and WWIII. He declared a 'war on terror' after a "lucky" attack that caught us (deliberately? asleep, and ignored while in progress (My Pet Goat must have been one helluva book), then seized presidential powers not in the Constitution (that "GD" piece of paper), and used his minions to sell his aggressive intervention like so much snake oil.

What was the question?

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» RE: What was the question? ..... Posted by: Richard House
ha, who needs to?
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Dec 22, 2007 2:39 AM   
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America has already been invaded, by demons from hell who feed on money and blood.

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» RE: ha, who needs to? Posted by: astralman
America has been invaded and occupied
Posted by: tkwilson on Dec 22, 2007 4:38 AM   
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Most Americans are lucky they can tie their own shoes, let alone figure out that, whatever they think their lives are, they're nothing but fodder for Leviathan.
Even if the Iraquis succeed in driving out the Amerikans, the global corporatocracy, with its ancient roots, will still be in power.
The elite will still use the mass people to fight their wars, dig their fields and mines, enslave their peers, and provide them with more children to become their slaves for the next generation of elites.

As much as I like guns, this is not a struggle that will be won by the mass people killing each other over little patches of dirt and dirty squares of cloth with meaningless designs on them.

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There was a movie on that!!!
Posted by: xvictor on Dec 22, 2007 5:05 AM   
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"Red Dawn" is about some american guerillas fighting Soviet occupation in the Midwest. Replace the midwest setting with Iraq, soviet soldiers with American, and U.S. guerrillas with present day Iraqi insurgents. Isn't it a coincidence that the film is still popular over on the cable channels? Do other folks see a relevance?

"Rambo III" is another. Replace the soviet-held prison compound as shown in the movie with Abu Ghraib??

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» RE: There was a movie on that!!! Posted by: Chromedome2000
» The movie Posted by: zipper696
raconstible
Posted by: raconstible on Dec 22, 2007 5:09 AM   
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Just for reference, John Hersey sorta covered this subject many years ago in his novel "White Lotus", where the US was occupied by the Chinese. It is not an easy read but very, very to the point.

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» RE: Wow! Posted by: BlueTigress
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» The worm turns... Posted by: Cathyc
Stick around
Posted by: pkricker on Dec 22, 2007 5:31 AM   
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Stick around, unless we get not only the current executive branch, but all their sympathizers as well, out of office and out of our lives we'll get to see what it is like to be occupied, not, in our case, by a foreign power, but by the mercenary minions of our own out of control right wing. What do you think is going to happen when all those "contractors" come home? What a mess.

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» RE: Stick around Posted by: zeek2
otto
Posted by: otto on Dec 22, 2007 5:43 AM   
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I wonder if more Americans can also learn a lesson from Gaza, where the people are still in favor of Hamas after years of mistreatment and occupation by Israelis...even though every Hamas rocket attack on Israel is repaid in a tenfold more deadly way by Israeli retaliations. Do we expect Iraqis to react any differently?

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» otto! Look out... Posted by: zipper696
Amerikans think they can do no wrong.
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Dec 22, 2007 5:45 AM   
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Whatever greedy and hegemonic enterprise corporate government Amerika undertakes, it is always sugar-coated in nationalistic rhetoric to make it palatable for the masses. Bush's speeches, aside from their grammatical incoherency, are sickeningly florid and full of buzzwords like "freedom" and "democracy", while in fact Amerika is keeping the Iraqis divided from each other and remaining in the occupation which feeds the moneymaking war machine. Throughout history, this has happened again and again. 9/11 was a boon to George Bush because he didn't know what the hell he was going to do with himself before then; the idiot spent 40 percent of his time on vacation until he found his golden opportunity to start the machines rolling and steal our democracy. Before then, it has been Vietnam, Korea, and World Wars I and II that were exploited and perpetuated as means to hold power and exercise control. We have been occupiers and oppressors to one group or another since 1776. Now it's the Muslims' turn to suffer. We Muslims are blamed for everything from 9/11 to the cost of oil. We are now Amerika's designated enemy and are the target of politicians and the mainstream news media who are using us to perpetuate their phony war on terror.

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If the U.S. were invaded we'd be a nation of collaborators
Posted by: sausage on Dec 22, 2007 6:52 AM   
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"If you don't defend your land, you will not defend your honor[,]" says the Iraqi butcher.

Now, ask yourself, if Americans are honorable people.

We've been manipulated for decades by marketing campaigns and Wall Street and Walt Disney into a degenerate mass of infantile consumers who line up in the freezing cold of the darkest night to be the first to buy the latest Japanese engineered, Chinese manufactured piece of electronic crap. So when Beyonce tells us the invaders will bring us more cheap crap, we'll follow her lead.

We are a nation card-carrying NRA cases of arrested development armed to the teeth, ready to fight to the death if the "Democrats" come for our guns and save our freedom to guzzle Bud Light or Miller Lite, Pepsi or Coke. But when NRA Vice-President-for-Life Wayne LaPierre tells us the invaders are here to save us from "Liberals," we'll follow his lead.

We're a "Christian" nation so when our local Assemblies Of God, Catholic Church, LDS, Southern Baptist or Pentecostal preachers says the invaders are here to lead us back to Jesus, we'll follow his lead.

All an invader would have to do to insure a tame, docile United States is get to our "leaders," especially those in executive suites on Wall Street, K-Street and the halls of Congress, ply them with cash. As long as we, the American people, can go on buying cheap crap made in China, firearms and V8 powerwagons we don't care who runs the country.

We sold our honor long ago.

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» Maybe you sold your honor... Posted by: SparkyClinton
I'd Break out the CHAMPAGNE
Posted by: DigitalAztec on Dec 22, 2007 7:07 AM   
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Free at last, Free at last! Thank god almighty we're free at last!

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RODNOX
Posted by: RODNOX on Dec 22, 2007 7:08 AM   
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WE HAVE BEEN INVADED.........PROBLEM IS THE PEOPLE STILL DONT GET IT..........I CRITICIZE THE DEMS FOR PLAYING BY THE RULES WHEN THE OCCUPIERS OF OUR COUNTRY DO NOT PLAY BY THE RULES----IMPEACH PELOSI AND ALL THAT FOLLOW HER.....VOTE OUT ALL WHICH DONT STAND FAST AGAINST BUSH..........BOYCOTT A BUSH SUPPORTERS BUSINESS..........

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» invaded by yourselves! Posted by: Cathyc
NO DRAFT = NO CONCERN
Posted by: zooeyhall on Dec 22, 2007 7:25 AM   
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IF we had a draft, the average Joe would suddenly become VERY concerned about the Iraq war. If there was a chance that some of these Johnnies and Janes in the McMansions were in line to get their asses shot-off in Iraq, you can BET their moms and dads would pay attention!

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» RE: NO DRAFT = NO CONCERN Posted by: Richard House
» The problem with a draft is Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: The problem with a draft is Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: NO DRAFT = NO CONCERN Posted by: tonyf69
Forget the Iraqi tanks...
Posted by: wildbill on Dec 22, 2007 7:55 AM   
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...what if it was American tanks rumbling through your streets, with soldiers pointing machine guns at you? The mechanism for such a situation has already been put into place, quietly, by our own government, as reported here on AlterNet.

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A Somewhat Different Movie
Posted by: cyberfactotum on Dec 22, 2007 7:58 AM   
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In a somewhat similar vein, the 1984 movie Threads showed a nuclear holocaust and how it effected those living in Sheffield, England.

They say that it "gave schoolchildren nightmares for years afterwards."

I'm glad it did. And I hope the film about America being invaded and occupied opens up a few eyes as well. Sure, it probably won't have much effecton the whole, but--bit by bit--things like this may make more and more of a difference.

Or Not. Who can tell if the citizenry of our country can or will do anything about our civilization's unraveling. Could the citizens of Rome have done much as their own was in its decline? Could the citizens of Germany have done much in the 30's and 40's?

It may just be that we are indeed entering into the Fourth Turning into a Crisis Era. And that usually means a big, perhaps global war...

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» RE: A Somewhat Different Movie Posted by: cyberfactotum
Doubleplus ungood! (Says the Ministry of Truth and Love)
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Dec 22, 2007 9:43 AM   
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Isn't this upsetting the basic plan here? Aren't we supposed to be demonizing the enemy, supporting our leader, and selflessly sacrificing for the great and noble cause in Iraq? Freedom isn't free, after all, and we have to fight them over there or fight them here, and they are evil - there's no doubt about that.

I mean, haven't the authors of this film been watching the news? All the attacks carried out over the past year are all the work of Al Qaeda, who are all outsiders who are manipulating the naive Iraqi people for their own sinister, Islamo-fascist reasons! At least that's what the military spokespeople tell us, and why would they lie?

Face it - there is a lot of oil in that region of the world, and it is the Manifest Destiny of the United States to secure that oil as part of the general theme of the Will to Power and the ascendancy of the United States to the position of Supreme Power. Yes, we have a lot of billionaires now, but we need more. Always more. We must consume and excrete at ever-increasing rates, in order to support steady economic growth.

And that's what Bush has indeed accomplished - steady economic growth. The proof? For the first time in history, you have to be a billionaire to make the Forbes 500! Hurrah! Our rich people are the richest rich people on the planet. Isn't that wonderful?

Democracy? Who needs it? Empires have always rejected democracy in favor of autocratic leadership.

It's like this: there are two tiers in society, one for the aristocrats and one for the serfs. You had better figure out what side of the line you are on, pledge fealty to the king, and get with the program! Just look at Saudi Arabia as a great example of what America could become.

That's the agenda - and that's why Bush and Cheney have had the U.S. Constitution printed on toilet paper for their personal use.

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» Dante rises from the dead! Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Red Dawn movie about US invaded
Posted by: brifitz1 on Dec 22, 2007 10:26 AM   
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As noted in a previous comment that movie was an anti communist film made in the 80's with a very young Patrick Swayze...It was about a Soviet/Cuban occupation of the american heartland. The interesting fact though that i think i read in The Nation magazine is that corrupt neocon(redundant) lobbyist Jack Abramoff was a producer(financier)of the film. So they do know how americans might react to an occupation, their arrogance though prevents them from believing any other people might be as patriotic.

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Just who is at fault
Posted by: grkjr on Dec 22, 2007 11:09 AM   
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We continue to go around in circles chasing the tail of ourselves...why do we continute to "vote for the least of the two evils" when there is very little difference between the two parties.. yet we are unwilling to start a new progressive party.. Why do we continue to buy and sell stock knowing that it drives the corp management to close down usa manufacturing... so that we can get a better return on our investment. NO, we need look no further than the mirror to see the culprit. Until we divest of all stock, start a new political party.. we are just running in circles.

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» RE: Just who is at fault Posted by: left_libertarian
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» RE: Just who is at fault Posted by: grkjr
anaesthetic of consumer culture
Posted by: davidg on Dec 22, 2007 11:22 AM   
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consumerism replaced citizenship years ago. Aldous Huxley picked that up in "Brave New World"in 1932. Unfortunately, the 1984 (written in '48)factor has been gaining ascendancy too. So now we have 1984 geopolitics with Brave new Consumerism. Oh, I forgot, Margaret Atwood's "Handmaid's Tale" from 1982 throws in the religious militancy. Hmmmm. It's a trilogy of what's happening now. Make sure your kids read them. Read? During the commercials? Not if they are infotainment. Oh, dear. What WILL we do? I think I'll write a new book...if I have time before Thermageddon hits. Consider: French citizens take to the streets over higher tuition. What will it take on this side of the Atlantic?

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Maybe this will wake people up
Posted by: macdon1 on Dec 22, 2007 1:54 PM   
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Iraqis aren't from another planet, they are human beings just like us. Imagine seeing your wife and children shot down just for trying to get to school or to the supermarket. This war is just plain evil and has brought down torrents of bad karma on our country. Thank you Dahr, for again bringing the truth to the forefront.

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Its not new
Posted by: wittler youth on Dec 22, 2007 1:57 PM   
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remember when patty hurst was kidnapped! s.l.a..how bout s.d.s or the weather men or all the demons plageing the nixion add. min. he started the so called "war on drugs" in 69'..and there was an auto-matic draft..the most passed over decade the 1970s..let us remember the people in abusive power are all from that time..there the most hate full greedy nixon pardon types that ever came down the pike..check out where dick chaney and carl were in the mid 70s..and g.hw bush..head of the c.i.a./1980 vice-pres 2 tearms/pres.88 -2 92..oy vey how more stupider can we git..

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At last...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Dec 22, 2007 4:36 PM   
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I have been saying in all of my posts here for years that the so called insurgency aren't paid provocatuers working for someone as the administration would have us believe and they aren't fighting us because they "hate our freedom" as president lame brain so often says...
I have maintained all along that were the situation reversed, many of us would be out in the streets "resisting" whoever it was that was trying to occupy our land. To believe that Iraqis are not motivated by the same desires to be free of what they consider to be oppression as we would be is to clearly see just how badly we have been manipulated into viewing the Iraqis as somehow not as human as we are... we would fight because we would be fighting for some vague notion of "freedom", [forget that we are some of the most law bound people on Earth] but THEY, on the other hand, should be "grateful" and "shower us with flowers" because after all, they are all a bunch of backward Muslims who need to be shown what true freedom is... All who believe such racist nonesense are turkeys and deserve the climate catastrophies that are building as you read this.

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Wonderful discussion and an added idea
Posted by: Earthian on Dec 22, 2007 5:30 PM   
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The question "What if we were invaded and occupied?" in its various forms is the first line of critical thinking to understand what is happening in Iraq. The article and the comments I've read above accept this and are indeed inspiring for their clarity about causation: occupation causes resistance. The one thing not yet mentioned I don't think is an obvious extension of the same argument. That is, the AQ resistance movement worldwide, and their bombings beginning in 1993 and many since, including (it seems likely) 9/11, is also resisting occupation, criminality, brutality—that of the greatest purveyor of violence in the world—the US government (to quote Dr. King in 1967). In some circles, mostly official, beltway and corporate-focused, in both parties, the US government occupation of the world; its military bases, over 1000; its carrier battle groups; its invasions; its coups (Somalia the latest); its kidnapping; its illegal imprisonment and illegal interrogations; its general lawlessness, are all okay. The 9/11 Commission report stated that " . . . the American homeland is the planet." (p. 362) It is that attitude of domination by force and deception that is the root cause of resistance activities, whether in Iraq against that occupation by Iraqi resistance groups, or in the US, Spain, the UK or elsewhere, over the Western (largely US) domination of the Mideast by AQ resistance groups. This line of thinking that the author initiated in his article and in most of the comments above is the remedy. The Golden Rule was first formulated by Confucius (among the world religions) according to Karen Armstrong. So this thinking on this thread is key to ending the dangerous worldwide conflict. And I appreciate it. Thank you.

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My favorite film that illustrates resistance in the US against occupation
Posted by: Earthian on Dec 22, 2007 5:42 PM   
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The film They Live is just fabulous. Aliens invade the Earth. They gain relations with rich collaborators in the United States and the UK I think. The aliens (who really look goulish) use advanced technology to hypnotize the regular people into not seeing them as aliens, and into being passive and subservient. And THEN a group, a resistance group, develops a high-tech kind of sunglasses that can see through the high-tech hypnosis machines. It is fabulous. The thinking on this thread and in the article, is the anti-hypnosis remedy—the "sunglasses" that see through the deception of the so-called "global war on terror" and see it for what it is: a global war OF terror with Bush and Bin Laden and their respective allies as leading co-participants with control and domination and self-enrichment by the US, and AQ, Afghan, Pakistani, Saudi, Iraqi, Palestinian resistance to that, as the real agenda.

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» The "sunglasses"!! Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: The "sunglasses"!! Posted by: Earthian
Chalmers Johnson on the draft
Posted by: George Fleming on Dec 22, 2007 9:25 PM   
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From an interview on Book TV, 3/7/07:

Service in the armed forces today is not an obligation of citizenship, as it was for me when I was in the navy back in the Korean War, it’s a career choice, one most commonly taken by people who come from cul-de-sacs or dead ends in society. Fifty percent of the women in the armed forces come from national minorities. It’s perfectly understandable. It’s a route of social mobility. You remember Jessica Lynch, who was shot up rather badly, her colleagues were killed at Nasiriyah in the assault on Baghdad. I remember the press asked her, “Why did you join the army?” “I’m from Palestine, West Virginia. I couldn’t get a job at Wal-Mart.” What did I join the army for? It was to get out. I was told that I wasn’t going to be shot at. I was a supply clerk. I drove a truck down the wrong road in Iraq.

The high command likes this military arrangement [volunteer army]. I’m not obviously going to try to make a case for the draft, but I’ll tell you, if you’re in the armed forces when it is an obligation of citizenship, everyone becomes much more sensitive to what the war is about, whether the officers know what they’re doing, becomes sensitive to how things were raised. If you’ve never read Christian Appy’s Working Class War on Vietnam, please do so. It’s an absolute classic of things that should be understood.

The number of Yale graduates killed in Vietnam is one. We many times commented, how in the hell did that guy not get the word? [Laughter from the audience.] If he’d only stayed in the library and let the dissertation run on to a thousand pages, he’d have pulled a Cheney. But in our wisdom, the signs of things starting to slip. Rather than make the draft equitable, we chose to abolish it, and that changes the world overnight.

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» RE: Chalmers Johnson on the draft Posted by: SparkyClinton
and what if they were able to committ a false flag and start a resource war
Posted by: Missing Piece on Dec 23, 2007 6:47 AM   
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without anyone the wiser. Simply by owning all media outlets and keeping us pacified with porn, gossip and sports. Good thing we live in America where this coud never happen, rite?

Good luck, four more years and oil starts declining up to 7% a year.

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This is...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Dec 23, 2007 8:08 AM   
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This is something you aren't supposed to think about. Its part of why the media was so willing to parrot the official story that we would be greeted as liberators (despite the numerous historic reasons this was not likely) and the like. We are supposed to see the "enemy" as inhuman, alien, even insane.

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» Inhuman?? Insane??. Posted by: gellero
» Sharp Posted by: SparkyClinton
We are being invaded
Posted by: billwald on Dec 23, 2007 6:17 PM   
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We are being invaded and most seem content with the situation. I'm getting to like Mexican food.

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Ron Paul's Message is Clear
Posted by: ronheri on Dec 23, 2007 9:04 PM   
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Ron Paul understands history. His message has been constant: Stay away from nation building. Follow the Constitution. All nations that have attempted worldwide empires have fallen. We are on the path to bankruptcy; morally and financially. Listen to the words of this great patriot.

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Invaders From Mars
Posted by: gellero on Dec 23, 2007 10:17 PM   
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I think if the USA was a country ruled by despots and citizens feared the secret police, we would welcome a higher power to depose the despot and give us lots of money to repair the damage.

If the Muslims didn't start murdering each other ( that's resistance?? ) they would have been better off and happy with whoever ruled decently, especially with$$$ in their pockets. Unfortunately, these people are not like the Japanese & Germans, who were more than happy to take our $$$ as an occupying power.

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» RE: Invaders From Mars Posted by: saltoafronteira
Resistance in Iraq are morons - seriously
Posted by: DKulicke on Dec 23, 2007 11:59 PM   
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from the article:
"I felt a fire in my heart," one of them recounts. "When they occupied Iraq, they subjugated me, subjugated my sister, subjugated my mother, subjugated my honor, my homeland. Every time I saw them I felt pain. They pissed me off, so I started working [in the resistance]."


These guys are clearly not the brightest. The US didn't invade to have 100,000 soldiers there for a decade, the reason there are so many soldiers still there, in fact the reason for the surge of some 30,000 MORE is because of the RESISTANCE! If these idiots really wanted the US out they would stop killing people and work for peace so American can leave, but they aren't going to leave a country with these guys going around causeing trouble and killing people, these guys who torture other Iraqis if they work towards peace, or work on a school with soldiers.

Oh, and another question. How does killing other Iraqis for Iraq work? If you are against the invaders then why blow up a car bomb in the middle of an Iraqi market? WHy kill a school teacher who works with soldiers to re-build her school? What is the thinking there?

If these guys who want the US out had half a brain they would stop fighting so peace can prevail and US can leave. THink there would have been a 30,000 troop surge if there were no insurgents? Morons.

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» Ad Hominem Attacks Posted by: SparkyClinton
I'm not sure "terrorism" is the same thing as "resistance to occupation"...
Posted by: mjabele on Dec 24, 2007 8:56 AM   
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There may be various definitions of terrorism, but I think arguably the most common is that "terrorism" represents the application of violence or intimidation directed at primarily civilian rather than military targets.

Blowing up a tank or Humvee with American soldiers inside certainly doesn't constitute terrorism in my book. On the other hand, detonating a car bomb in a marketplace filled with civilians doing their Monday morning grocery shopping certainly does.

Dropping bombs from an aircraft onto a city filled with both military and civilian targets? I guess it depends what the primary intent is. Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki strike me as acts of terrorism, since the primary intent of the bombings was to inflict violence against hundreds of thousands of civilians. On the other hand, the American bombing of the ball bearing factories in Schweinfurt, Germany in 1943, which was directed at a crucial military target but did also lead to the deaths of 1079 civilians, doesn't strike me as meeting the definition of terrorism.

For me, the distinction is important. I don't happen to agree with those who seem to think that ANY sort of violence is appropriate w