While violent games and programs are offensive and probably somewhat harmful, Hillary's vote for the war on the Iraqi people has cost a million lives and 2 trillion dollars.

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I don't know, perhaps she got this one from Tipper. But, I thought a rating system for video games was already in place? At any rate, I suspect some poll somewhere shows some traction can be gained by making this an issue. Or perhaps she does think if some teeny bops see some gore on the games they will go down to the local gun store, pick up some semi's, and let loose? At any rate, there are so many other issues to focus on. Just the simple availability of guns alone is one issue, along with universal health care and the lost wars. That is where she should be focused.

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Why don't these concern-troll Senators object to the REAL killing that's going on in Iraq?

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lieberman is an israeli gizmoid,clinton like her hubbei is a puppet and a naughty lil thing

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Anyone that sides with Lieberman is someone to be fully doubted in all that they say. Sorry Hillary... Of all the votes you committed that took us into the Bush/Lieberman debachel of lies... and you now continue with Lieberman, for God sakes woman, why would we ever condsider you for office?

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...and other denizens of DC Land.

Focusing on a virtual war--a form of artful expression, however silly--while a real one wages and people are dieing is the most useless waste of legislators time and my money since the baseball thing they "worked" on previously.

Shame on Congresscritters who do so.

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I believe the ratings are voluntary. If you go after voluntary ratings, then go after movies too.

I spent 5 hours last night with my friend, skipping the Monday Night football game he had tickets to, to play Halo 3 and we killed each other a combined 600 times. Lots of fun.

Never fired or owned a gun. Fought some in school, but usually bullying involved. Video game violence can just be fun, it doesn't have to corrupt my soul, although as an atheist I am sure Joe thinks it already has.

And where the heck are the parents. Most new games cost $50-$60, young kids can't afford to buy them on their own. If you wait, they may drop to the $20 amount and sometimes lower, but the good popular games take a long time to get there.

Oh and in Halo 3, the battle me the human Master Chief has is against alien fundamentalists.

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I don't disagree with outright BANNING ALL violent video games. Obviously Pillory is a sad sick hypocrite - voting for the Iraq War and its subsequent funding, and being a hardliner toward Iran and being the largest recipient of military funding, etc. etc. She's disgusting. And yet, something needs to be done about these terrible video games that pollute the minds of our youth. There is nothing "artful" about them - they are nihilistic to the core. And if you can't see that they are part of the problem feeding into the pervasive violence in American culture, then you are willfully blinding yourself to reality. I realize this is not a typical "lefty" viewpoint, but I don't care. The truth stings. These video games are rotten.

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This is what the writer calls the "culture wars?" The ratings of video games--amidst a rant that has something to do with Lieberman and H. Clinton not doing something the author thinks they should that is not clear. I don't get all the emotion. Who is she trying to protect, or simply use as an excuse to attack? No, I won't be sending this article to anyone else. I can't figure out why anyone would even publish it.

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Does it really take so little to distract us into the belief that one candidate or another is substandard? Is this REALLY political discussion or a discourse on why a particular candidate is less than perfect (as ALL humans are)? Let's take the time and effort to evaluate each candidate on his/her stance on real issues and compare them to what the opposition stands for, then vote accordingly. Don't let the rumor mongers pull your chain.

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1. http://www.cei.org/gencon/025,06292.cfm

The Video Game Rating system works better than any other entertainment rating system, such as the R-rating for movies, etc. The full study information is available on the bottom of that page.

2.

I have played video games since Doom (I was 6)on my family's first computer. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me. In fact, I am generally smarter, more literate, read more, etc than most of my age group. I go to one of the nations best Masters level schools (Elon).

ANYONE who is "messed up" by video games is already messed up. Look not at the entertainment but at the parents and culture they live in. If someone is hell bent on killing others, a video game where you kill zombies is not going to add or detract to it.

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I'd like to see a opinion from some real parents here, maybe people with children in the 9 thru 15 age group. All I see here on this issue are people who have nothing better to do than sit around for 5 hours at night playing video games and people who have difficulty distinguishing a foreign policy issue from a social issue. The great majority of the parents I talk to, parents who really do care about their kids, have serious concerns about the stuff being shoved at the kids thru the media, which includes games. Yeah, I can hear the adololescent response "Well, they don't have to buy them", but anybody knows you can't raise these kids in a vacuum. Maybe most of you are old enough to have the mental capacity to not be affected by these things, are you psych majors willing to bet your lives that a 10 year old has the same capabilities? But then maybe not, I haven't heard of any 10 year olds lying in the middle of the street, attempting to jump over moving cars, or car surfing. Where did these morons get these ideas to do such stupid stuff? Oh, wait, they COPIED it from things like TV shows called Jackass.
I'm all against censorship, give any government entity a hand and they'll eventually take the arm, and there's isn't a lot the government can get involved in that they don't screw up anyway. In fact, in some ways putting some of this stuff out there helps clean up the gene pool. After all, if some teenager or young man doesn't have the smarts to determine that lying in the middle of a busy street to see if cars will swerve around him is just plain stupid, we don't really want him spreading his genes around anyway. I don't know what can be done to not censure this stuff but still keep it away from the kids too young to handle it, maybe a stronger rating system will help. It's not the job of the government to take over parental responsibility, unless of course you're part of Hillary's village, but something has to be done to get parents to step back up to the plate and assume their role. Until that happens, we're going to keep cranking out more and more kids who run off to schools, malls and churches using killing as their prefered method of expression. Where did they see such stupid stuff? Oh, wait...

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It must be that I missed something, some major event of the past twenty months, perhaps.

There may be a back room in the Pentagon with a special mission, and the mission may come directly from Dick Cheney's Office: To create as much and as horrific violent programming as is conceivable for television, movies, cable "news" channels and video "games" in order to instill in young people from the earliest ages that deep, inquisitive desire to know just what it feels like in real life to torture, maim, violently and explosively destroy a human being, and get to see it "close up and personal." That way, everyone benefits by having a "volunteer military service" without the need for a draft.

After all, we need people who are primed to kill, and to be serial killers, and who "love their work" because we can't seem to keep up with the demand for the good soldiers needed to maintain the level of violence that we have created around the globe. Without violent programming early in life, in all media, we just can't do the job of spreading our wonderful culture to every corner of the Earth.

So, yes, absolutely, we need to castigate every one who opposes the spread of horrific media violence, and if we have to discredit people based on ad-hominem arguments such as those above, then we must.

Lieberman is wrong for being a whore to the death industry, otherwise known as the military-industrial community of mega-corporations, which makes him a hypocrite for opposing the violence depicted in the media. He is trying to have it both ways, or he is engaging in a cover-up of his own marriage to the death and destruction industry.

The problem with the Lieberman, et al, attempt to limit media violence is the hypocrisy of it, and that anyone sincerely trying to place the limits that are needed would be demanding far greater controls than have ever been proposed thus far. Of course, Hillary is in the same camp as Lieberman and the others, not willing to stand up the the death industry in order to protect the young people of today from media violence and propaganda for the thrill of killing.

As far as "the separation of church and state" is concerned, since "We the People" are in fact "The State" forged into a politic union called a democratic republic, the only true "separation" is the establishment of Atheism as the sole religion of the State, and we have passed that momentous event decades ago.

By the way, there is not one shard of the teachings of Christ in the Left Behind series, just as there is none in the presidential campaigns of McCain, Obama, Huckabee, Clinton, Romney or Rudy. Atheists have nothing to fear from any of them; they will each kiss the feet of the death industry, or wash its feet with tears of gratitude for the campaign contributions, until they retire from public office.

As far a there ever being a "culture war," see my book (January 2008) titled "Placebo Politics and Empty Elections." Thomas A Nagy

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The Perverted Gospel of Hillary and Joe

The Hillary and Joe Club version of Skull and Bones is a staunch advocate for the morality of our children. The virtual blood that is, or isn’t, splattered by young Christian Zionists all over the virtual landscape is a noble electoral cause. Virtue is alive and well in the Hillary/Joe video room.

There are real Sunni/American plasma and corpuscles seeping into the sand of Iran in the war that voyeurs, Hill and Joe, have been cheerleading. But, alas, the effort falls short of orgasm. Yes, there is insufficient lubricant for their current lust de guerre. Peeping voters are implored to take heart. Hillary and Joe have been boosting a grander scale of snuff porn; preemptive nuclear attack of Iran. Iran is the home of enough Corporatist lubricant to invoke the fireworks of nuclear potency.

The embarrassment of Lyndon Johnson’s Viet body bags has been sanitized out of Iran by D. Rumsfeld. Surely, Hillary can arrange to extend the media white curtain to cover the first strike of Iran. No voter left behind will fail to appreciate the protection of the impressionable young from the visage of radiation burned flesh dripping from the limbs of our Persian collaterals. We are willed to adulate the human sacrifice on the Temple mount, the blood flowing through the gates. Jewish Zion, Christian Zion, Mormon Zion; it is God’s to discern and to judge who will be left behind, those who were not purpose driven defilers of the flesh.

Hillary met the Ruling Class when in the White House. She wishes to join their ranks.

Hillary is a cinch for Fuhrer more appropriately than President.


REFERENCES
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200
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(Eliminate the space between the 0 and 7 because of the 60 character limit)

Google: ‘Hillary Clinton AIPAC’ to see her famous “No options left off the table” Speech.

Google: ‘Rev. Hagee AIPAC’ to see almost identical rhetoric from the star
Christian Zionism cultist.

Clue: Christian Zionist’s goal is to tear down the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem so they can rebuild the Jewish Temple and thereby conjure Jesus’ Second Coming down to Earth to bring on Armageddon and the End Times.
The Tim LaHaye “Left Behind” novels are premillenial fantasies. Google up Margaret McDonald, Irving 1830 to understand premillennial “Rapture” and enter the theological territory of Jerry Falwell that influences Hillary. The word, Rapture, is not biblical.

http://www.idust.net/Tutorial/DBish002.htm for the war crime of U-238

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A couple of things....

First of all, the subtitle of this piece
says "Hillary wants to censor video game
violence".

Just to be clear, Hillary is NOT calling
for censorship of what games *adults* can
buy, she (and 3 other senators) sent a
letter to the Entertainment Software Ratings
Board (ESRB) asking that they reconsider
giving Manhunt 2 a Mature rating (for those
17 and older) instead of an Adults Only
rating (those 18 years and older).

Even if the ESRB took their advice and
changed the rating to Adult Only, it would
still be perfectly legal for the publisher
of Manhunt 2 to sell this game to adults
AND to children. The ESRB rating system
is completely voluntary.

So why all the wailing and gnashing of
teeth over the ESRB? Because most retailers
want to stay on the good side of parents,
and thus will only sell games that have
a ESRB rating. Plus, a lot of retailers
won't carry Adult Only games. Plus Nintendo
and Sony won't allow Adult Only games
on their platforms.

This is the free market in action, NOT
censorship !!

Rockstar Games (the publisher of Manhunt 2)
and other publishers of violent video games
are upset, not because of any love of free
speech, but because they know a lower ESRB
rating means less *profits* for them.

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Furthermore...

One of the big arguments in defense of
violent video games is that they are
designed and played by adults.
Well you can't have it both ways,
you can't insist that violent video
games are designed for and played
almost exclusively by adults, and
then turn around and complain when
retailers who cater to families don't
want to carry the games.

If you want to experience violence
porn, then fine. But I don't see
the sex porn industry whining because
Walmart or Target refuse to stock their
videos. If these violent video games
(violence porn) are purely meant for
adults, then why not market and sell
them the same as regular porn.

Adults have the money and freedom to
support a vibrant porn industry.
There is no reason that *adults*
can't support a vibrant violence porn
industry. There's no reason to demand
that violence porn be sold by every
game retailer.

For those interested in violence porn,
here is the wikipedia description of
the orginal Manhunt:

"Aside from the sensitive subject matter of
Manhunt (snuff films), the controversy surrounding
the game stems from the extremely graphic manner
in which the player kills enemies. The game has
three 'levels' of executions: hasty, violent, and
gruesome. Hasty kills are quick and the least
bloody of the three, while violent kills are
considerably more gory, and gruesome kills are
over-the-top executions. Furthermore, the game
encourages players to execute enemies as brutally
as possible, and awards players who do so with
higher scores. Cash's violent killings in the
game are also extremely graphic, both visually
and audibly (e.g. a victim will gag when he's
being choked, muffle and vomit blood while he's
being suffocated etc., in a lifelike manner).
Some examples of Cash's executions include
decapitation, suffocation with a plastic bag,
and jamming a crowbar into a victim's head."

Note, in the case of the original Manhunt
Rockstar Games courageously held onto their
artistic integrity and kept their Adult Only
rating. This allowed violence porn afficianos
everywhere to vicariously enjoy gruesome and
torturous killings. There is nothing stopping
them from doing the exact same thing with
Manhunt 2.

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My eighteen year old son has played ALL the violent video games! That's right, people! "Twisted Metal" Grand Theft Auto" (all of them!), "Gun", "Doom", "Final Fantasy" (all of them), and many, many more!

He hasn't grown up to be a mass murderer, child molester, or social deviant! He has turned out to be an extremely fine young man, who I'm proud to call my son!

Why? SIMPLE! I taught him to take responsibility for his own actions! I actually took the time to get involved in my son's life! I actually spent time with my son, and asked him what was going on in his life! How he felt about certain things that were going on in this country at the time!

And those "violent" video games? I PLAYED THEM WITH HIM!!!! I got my ass smoked once or twice, but I got REAL good on the "Twisted Metal" series! Finally, we quit playing against each other, and formed an alliance to smoke the bad guys! We ROCKED!!!! And I told him we rocked!

You see, what I'm trying to say is simple! Too many parents use the television, and video game console like a baby sitter to keep the kids quiet while Mommy and Daddy stare blankly at "American Idol" or the "drama de jour" emanating form their own television. Then, Junior comes home in a Police Car, and they want to blame everything, and everybody except the true culprits! THEMSELVES!!!!!

What video games did Nero play? How about Hitler? How about Stalin? Face it! Some people are just fucked up! It's nobody's fault! Others had no chance from the beginning! And that's the fault of those that raised them!

Want your kids' respect? Simple! EARN IT!!!!! Let them know that you love them! I STILL give my son a hug and a kiss when he comes home from school! What? You say that's wrong? You say, (as a Baptist minister told me once), that it's "unseemly" for a father to tell his son that he loves him? Well! That's 99.9% of your problem right there!

And finally, QUIT TRYING TO LIVE OUT YOUR DREAMS THROUGH YOUR KIDS!!!! You want to be a concert pianist? Fine! Go do that! DO NOT force your kid into piano lessons he or she my not even want!

You've been given the job of preparing a young life to live in a fucked up world! No more, no less! Earn your children's respect! Help them achieve what it is that they want to achieve, not what you want them to achieve! Believe in them, and yourself, and let them know you do! Support them, and help them to have a healthy opinion of themselves! And for God's sake LOVE THEM!!!! Tell them you love them, and foster that love to be shown to others!

Do these things, and you can't go wrong! Or you can let McDonald's, Corporate America, and The Media do it for you! The choice is yours. And you have nobody to blame but yourself!

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...Clinton and Liberman are closet Republicans and Fascists.

I did not hear a peep out of either when the latest mass killings in a mall and church were done by automatic weapons. In fact, to my knowledge and brief check, neither has commented at all about the murders one way or another.

Guess fake violence is more fun to fight for the modern Don Quixote's of the world.

These people would be a joke if they did not do so much harm to this country with their hypocrisy and bad positions.

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