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Born to Shop: How Marketers Brainwash Babies
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Everything has changed, and changed gradually on such a scale that we are paying an enormous price -- in kids' physical, mental and emotional health, and in the health of our families and our democracy.
From 1992 to 1997, the amount of money spent on marketing to children doubled, from $6.2 to $12.7 billion. Today they are spending over $15 billion. Children influence purchases totaling over $600 billion a year. Children spend almost 40 hours a week outside of school consuming media, most of which is commercially driven. The average child sees about 40,000 commercials each on television alone. 65 percent of children 8-18 have a television in their bedroom.
Earlier this year 11 companies agreed to voluntarily scale back their marketing to children in an effort to slow down the rise in obesity.
Susan Linn, an instructor in psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, weighs in on this effort and what's at stake. Linn is the Associate Director of the Media Center at Judge Baker Children's Center and a co-founder of the coalition Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood. An award winning ventriloquist, Dr. Linn created video based classroom materials Different and the Same: Helping Children Identify and Prevent Prejudice (with the producers of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood). In the face of our media-saturated commercialized culture, she encourages make-believe play. She is the author of Consuming Kids.
Terrence McNally: Those numbers in the intro are a few years old. Have they gotten much worse?
Susan Linn: What has gotten worse is that commercials are just so 20th century now. The number of commercials that children see on television has become practically irrelevant -- because they're seeing them so many other places. On the web and in school, through brand licensing and product placement in movies and television programs and even books, and through viral marketing. Marketing has essentially permeated every aspect of children's lives, and that's what marketers want. They want to insinuate their brands into the fabric of children's lives.
McNally: Colonizing parts of your brain and your heart and your identity. What got you interested in this?
Linn: It's a complicated question for me. I was raising a child at home, so it was affecting my life directly. I worked with children, and I could see it in their lives. And I was in a position at the Media Center to begin tracking it. By the late '90s, advertising and marketing to kids had gotten so pervasive that I felt somebody had to do something. It violates most of what I think is important about being a human being.
McNally: What pushed you over the edge?
Linn: Teletubbies transformed me from a concerned clinician and aggravated mom into an activist. That was 1998. I really believe in public television -- and it was the idea that my public television station would import a television program from Britain and market it as educational for babies, when they had no evidence of that. But the idea that they would exploit the trust of American parents that way was kind of the last straw for me. That's when I realized that this wasn't just a problem I was struggling with, but it really was a societal issue.
McNally: Though television commercials are so 20th century, could you talk a bit about the way television marketing evolved over the years. From innocent Keebler elves to the linkage of almost every show with a toy. There are hours Saturday mornings where everything you see is something you can buy.
Linn: I think that it evolved for a couple of reasons. First is the proliferation of electronic media. One of the reasons that commercialism was limited when you were growing up is because there just weren't that many avenues for marketing to reach kids. It's not that they didn't want to. I'm also a boomer ... The early television programs that we loved ... Do you go back as far as Howdy Doody?
McNally: Howdy Doody, Romper Room.
Linn: Kukla, Fran and Ollie.
McNally: They were so low tech and so low key.
Linn: But they were filled with product placement.
Kukla, Fran, and Ollie was filled with product placement. Howdy Doody was actually totally commercials for Wonder Bread and just about everything else -- but it was only on once a day.
McNally: We'd watch a half-an-hour or an hour, then go out to play.
Linn: Now kids see a program not once but several times a day. There are so many choices of programs for kids, and they can get them on so many venues -- iPods and cellphones and portable DVD players. Kids are so much more saturated with media, and with the marketing that goes with it. That's one thing. And then there was the deregulation of everything in the 1980s.
McNally: That really opened the floodgates ...
Linn: Children's television had been regulated in the '70s.
McNally: They had to at least make a show that there was some sort of educational content .
Linn: What they couldn't do is make program length commercials.
In the '70s there was a lot of concern and activism around marketing to children -- mostly with food and mostly concerned about cavities. Childhood obesity wasn't an issue. In 1978 the Federal Trade Commission actually recommended a ban on television marketing to children under the age of eight. Due to corporate pressure, they were rewarded for that by having their authority to market to children severely restricted by Congress two years later. In the '70s they'd passed laws saying that you could not make program length commercials or have the host selling. In 1984 the FDC deregulated children's television, allowing entire programs whose sole purpose is to sell toys.
McNally: Now most children's television consists of shows based on toys. They coexist and promote each other.
Linn: Not only do they promote each other, they also promote clothing and accessories and food and all sorts of other things as well. Now you are hard put to get a program for children funded on television without brand licensing. And in many instances, I think the licensing comes first. You have to create sellable characters. That's true on PBS as well.
McNally: When did that happen?
Linn: I think that it started happening almost as soon as PBS was funded. They were under the gun. But I think that in 1984, 1985 the Republicans took over Congress and they really went after PBS in a big way. PBS responded by deciding that they needed to try to compete in the marketplace. So they went the commercial route. One of the ways that they could do that is through children's television.
McNally: I can only imagine the hundreds of millions of dollars in merchandising that have come out of that "educational program" Sesame Street.
Linn: They brought in something like $52 million just in brand licensing two years ago. I haven't seen this past year's tax returns. Sesame Street does enormous amounts of brand licensing. You can see the pressure of commercialization in a program like Sesame Street, because they start making decisions that aren't really in the best interests of children. For instance, Disney started making Baby Einstein -- videos that are falsely marketed as educational for babies. Then they decided to do Little Einstein, a show for preschoolers, so that Baby Einstein is a feeder into Little Einstein. Sesame Workshop responded by creating Sesame Beginnings, video programs for babies, along with a whole new raft of licensed toys.
McNally: I can see the positive effects on the bottom lines of corporations. What are the effects on children?
Linn: Studies suggest that marketing is a factor in many of the problems facing children today. It's not the sole cause of any of them, but it's a factor in childhood obesity, eating disorders, precocious and irresponsible sexuality, youth violence, certainly underage drinking and tobacco use, family stress, the acquisition of materialistic values, the false notion that things will make us happy.
And the one that is dearest to my heart, the erosion of children's creative play. Which doesn't sound like much until you realize that such play is the foundation of learning, critical thinking, and empathy -- and I believe, also essential to democracy.
McNally: People ask, what's the worst result, and in your book, you reply, "What's your kid's problem?"
If your kid's problem is obesity, then for you that will be the worst result. If your kid's problem is difficulty reading, then that would be the worst result. If your kid's problem is emotional stunting, then that would be the worst result, because, as you say, it's a contributing factor to so many of them.
Linn: In the year or two since I wrote Consuming Kids, I've come to believe that the worst instance of commercialism in marketing has to do with targeting babies. The escalation of babies in front of screens is probably going to have the most disturbing and worrisome impact on our society.
McNally: You say screens, where ten years ago you might have said television.
Linn: We need to start talking about screens, not television.
McNally: 11 big players announced that they would voluntarily scale back their marketing to kids. What's the good and the bad in that announcement?
Linn: I think what's most important is that it's a tacit acknowledgement by the food industry that their targeting of children is a problem. They've actually come a long way, and I believe that's a real tribute to activists and activist organizations all over the country. This is an example of when enough people make enough noise ...
McNally: And when the problem gets glaring enough --
Linn: The problem is only getting "glaring enough" because the activism is raising public awareness.
McNally: I attended a panel on obesity and marketing to kids, and the food industry people claimed it's an issue of choice: In America people should have a choice. We certainly believe in and support public education. Ultimately it's the parents' responsibility. So, maybe $100 to $200 million is spent on public education in a year -- a drop in the bucket against the endless onslaught of the junk food message.
Linn: Absolutely.
McNally: What did the corporations actually agree to do?
Linn: First, let me say I think the announcement is good news. I think the bad news is that none of what they agreed to do is enforceable. We've had 25 or more years of self-regulation by the food industry that has failed, and I suspect that this is going to fail as well.
McNally: I always suspect these kinds of announcements are made to head off something in the regulatory realm.
Linn: There's no question about that, and that's a tribute to activists and a few brave politicians. The food industry is really starting to feel the heat, so they're responding. Instead of just ignoring it, pooh-poohing it, making fun of it, now they're trying to change -- or at least trying to look like they're changing.
What are my concerns? One is that it's not enforceable, there's no enforcement agency. Another is that we have eleven or twelve companies making eleven or twelve different kinds of changes. So it's going to be really, really hard to monitor.
McNally: You write that two of the most worrisome things to you -- and I suspect these are not things that people might think of immediately: One, that it's having an adverse effect on creativity and children's creative play, and two, on democracy itself.
Linn: There's a threat to creative play in a lot of different ways. One of them is the notion that you need certain products or brands in order to play. You can't play Harry Potter without a Harry Potter wand or a Harry Potter broomstick or this or that. Creativity comes out of silence and emptiness in some ways and out of desire. You need that in order to create. So if everything is given to you -- all of these media-linked toys, and the scripts themselves, and your seeing them over and over again. One thing that happens is that you don't need to be creative.
McNally: You don't even realize that there was another way.
I went to Disneyland a few years ago. In the finale of the big show, a pirate ship sailed into view, and Mickey came out on the bow and sang a song about imagination -- you've got to have imagination, you've got to use your imagination. Yet for an entire day leading up to that, every foot you walked, some sort of Disney image or Disney character was thrown at you. The message about using your imagination is totally disingenuous. Your imagination is completely filled with Disney images before you ever consider having a thought of your own.
Linn: And it's Disney on top of Nickelodeon on top of Shrek. It's not like I'm a technophobe or a Luddite at all. I've worked in television, and think that it has some potential to do good. But the business of media has really compromised children's creativity.
McNally: You say it has a ripple effect on democracy. How so?
Linn: What children learn through marketing or in commercial culture is antithetical to democracy. What do marketers want them to learn? Impulse buying -- that's terrible in a democracy. Lifetime brand loyalty, unthinking brand loyalty -- well, we're certainly experiencing the problem with that. They're learning "me first" -- that's not helpful in a democracy.
A more subtle message in marketing is that there is a right way to do something. That's where we get the connection to the erosion of children's creative play. Creativity thrives in democracy and democracy thrives because of creativity. When we squelch that, we'd do very well in a dictatorship.
McNally: What can people do?
Linn: They can go to our website -- commercialfreechildhood.org. The Campaign for Commercial Free Childhood has all sorts of actions that you can get engaged in. You can send a letter to your senator supporting Tom Harkin's bill to restore the FTC's power to regulate marketing to kids. You can send an email to Scholastic, asking them to stop marketing the Bratz dolls in schools. We have fact sheets and a PowerPoint presentation you can use to educate other people about one of the central problems in the 21st century.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 13, 2007 2:21 AM
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In our case, our parents said no to 90% of that crap. Oh, and they bought us legos and tinker toys so we'd engage in "creative play"...Or else we'd go outside and build forts with old boards my dad gave us.
You can see it these days in stores and restaurants: "What do you want, sweetie? Do you want that?...Or that? Or that?..." Meanwhile, the kid rolls his eyes, calls his parent an idiot, and says he'll take all of the above. Who can blame him? Who wants to be around someone so annoying, needy, and desperate to please?
If toy and junk food marketing has grown, maybe it's because demand has grown. What would be the point of all this advertising if parents stopped spending all of their money trying to please their kids or make them into ultra-stimulated, over-educated super-kids?
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Posted by: Forrest on Dec 13, 2007 5:56 AM
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television simply was not available-
no television sports to watch, we played sports.
no silly game shows nor silly sitcoms to watch.
Instead of sitting in front of an electronic box we visited Europe
and developed a passion for cultural diversity.
and me? I have a career in anthropology.
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Posted by: supercrisp on Dec 13, 2007 6:23 AM
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I think most of this stuff is useful, but outside the classroom. If you have college-age kids, take a minute to ask them about this, and if you have the time, maybe ask their university or college to consider banning this material from the classroom.
Granted by this point (18-21) the damage is done. Maybe it's better you spend your efforts trying to get Channel One out of your local gradeschools.
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Posted by: NoKidding on Dec 13, 2007 7:36 AM
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My favorite childhood show was Kimba the White Lion, and if memory serves me, there were no toys or cereal linked to this cartoon! Just having a half hour a day was enough.
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Posted by: ankhet on Dec 13, 2007 8:10 AM
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While I, too, object to all the mass marketing everywhere and all the traps set at every step, if you as an adult can't grow a bit of critical distance from all the swill, it's yer-own-damn-fault.
The world is not a safe place for small creatures and flowers, have you noticed? You are the only protection your child has. Be it.
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Posted by: Shakti on Dec 13, 2007 8:16 AM
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Check out Waldorf education at:
http://www.awsna.org/
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 13, 2007 8:29 AM
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P.S.: Stop watching TV as that's the biggest drug that not even the SLEAZIEST "say no to weed" bullshit commercials don't want you to know. Take your kids out for at least a walk in the park and interact with them. That will bring out the youth in you better than those poisonous over-the-counter "look younger" bullshit.
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Posted by: CharliePatton on Dec 13, 2007 10:02 AM
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Fortunately, it's easy to short-circuit the marketing delivery vector by removing the television from your home.
As a father, I can assure you that your children would much rather spend their time with you than spend hours in front of the idiot box.
Spend quality time with your children--the benefits of doing so are virtually infinite.
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Posted by: PROFPETE on Dec 13, 2007 11:33 AM
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They are also fed a healthy dose of FDR era movies in black and white and color (1930's-1940's)
Raising kids is not for the lazy, nor the absentee-Mom stays at home, and when she feels the need she works at home. My studio is at home, so my art and writing are done on site. If you are going to have kids stay the hell home and grow them right or, do us all a favor, and don't have any.
There is a choice, a bigger home and more materialism or kids with real values, we chose the latter.
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM
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I thank you so much for this discussion and the interview.
As we shop til we drop, we teach our children to embrace the habits we have. Elders also instruct the little ones on what to do with their sense of guilt, obligation, and responsibility. We teach the children how to get what they want. Consumption and waste are a winter, summer, spring, and fall seasonal special.
In America, the latest trend for new moms is "push presents." Diamonds and other goodies are awarded to Mothers post-delivery of baby for a job well-done. An infant is not the bundle of joy a box of jewels is. "Mama gifts" are great. A young girl can hardly wait to have a baby so that she might receive. Little lads can look forward to providing a gesture of "love"
Centavo spoke of a glorious documentary, Story of Stuff. The tale is quite a gem. In a missive, this research was noted. However, I believe we must acknowledge the history and understand the psychology of why we produce, consume, trash, only to produce, consume, and trash again.
Edward Bernays, the nephew of Sigmund Freud, at a young age realized he could sell a war. Bernays worked for the government, as a Public Relations expert, during World War I. Indeed, he helped his uncle become better known and more popular. The Century of Self is a Bernays creation.
I invite your thoughts on . . .
Mother Earth; Story of Stuff or The Seventh Generation
Please view the videos, Century of Self and Story of Stuff.
Betsy L. Angert
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Posted by: TennMom on Dec 13, 2007 11:46 AM
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Marketing aimed at our children is a big nuisance, but nothing more. It might create headaches for parents who cannot say "no" or who refuse to set limits. However, it doesn't cause brain damage nor create sociopaths or psychopaths. If anything, the pervasiveness of marketing aimed at children should be an impetus for better parenting. Good parents spend time with their children, buy books and educational toys instead of "trendy" ones, and from an early age instill in their kids the importance of a budget, the value of a dollar, and the lesson that the key to happiness lies in giving, rather than in receiving. These are the lessons most essential to "being a human being."
Advertising isn't going away and that necessitates we change the way it is perceived by our children. Even without benefit of TV or the Internet, our kids are going to be exposed to it. Unless, of course, one would suggest plain brown wrappers for every product sold in school cafeterias or brought into our homes from the grocery store.
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Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Dec 13, 2007 2:53 PM
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I've raised 2 children with minimal television, and with commentary, at every opportunity, identifying marketing-speak or hidden sales agendas.
Our language and images are permeated with this garbage and lies, and the least you can do is tell your children things like:
- to look outdoors when the commentator says; "Canada is watching CSI Miami", and ask why the streets are full of people.
- the traffic is brought to you by a large volume of motorists, not Tom Harry Dick's Chev-Olds.
- Hilfiger should pay THEM for wearing his advertisement on their hiney, etc.
Stay critical. Stay skeptical. There are a lot of hands reaching into your pockets.
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Posted by: masterjc on Dec 13, 2007 2:55 PM
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P.S I am NOT saying TV is the only thing kids should be doing, and reading should also be important part of a childs life. Everything ion moderation is my motto.
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Posted by: Erik1968 on Dec 14, 2007 12:17 AM
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I hate to break it to you, but those are products! We rebel from the marketing cited above to the marketing that resonates with us. Look to your left! Ads! Eek! Alternet is not the public square! This article is a VEHICLE for MARKETING!
Isn't Alternet one of those brands that my identity is built around?
Read your Adorno and Horkeimer. Buying the "good" toys and the "good" food is still marketing. Don't kid yourself. Legos destroy the environment and severely limit a child's imagination. I always hated them as a kid.
I know its no fun to realize that all the cool anti-corporate stuff you love is just as corporate. Stonyfeld and Ben and Jerry's are just arms of multinationals. So is Michael Moore.
That's what's so scary, to me. It's everywhere all the time. The more you think you're outside it, that you've escaped it, the more deluded you are.
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Posted by: skydog on Dec 18, 2007 10:06 AM
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Santa Claus is the biggest brainwasher, turning otherwise normal children into squealing consumerist piglets since kids filled their boots with straw to feed Odin's horse in return for his gifts.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 13, 2007 2:21 AM
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In our case, our parents said no to 90% of that crap. Oh, and they bought us legos and tinker toys so we'd engage in "creative play"...Or else we'd go outside and build forts with old boards my dad gave us.
You can see it these days in stores and restaurants: "What do you want, sweetie? Do you want that?...Or that? Or that?..." Meanwhile, the kid rolls his eyes, calls his parent an idiot, and says he'll take all of the above. Who can blame him? Who wants to be around someone so annoying, needy, and desperate to please?
If toy and junk food marketing has grown, maybe it's because demand has grown. What would be the point of all this advertising if parents stopped spending all of their money trying to please their kids or make them into ultra-stimulated, over-educated super-kids?
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Posted by: Forrest on Dec 13, 2007 5:56 AM
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television simply was not available-
no television sports to watch, we played sports.
no silly game shows nor silly sitcoms to watch.
Instead of sitting in front of an electronic box we visited Europe
and developed a passion for cultural diversity.
and me? I have a career in anthropology.
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Posted by: supercrisp on Dec 13, 2007 6:23 AM
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I think most of this stuff is useful, but outside the classroom. If you have college-age kids, take a minute to ask them about this, and if you have the time, maybe ask their university or college to consider banning this material from the classroom.
Granted by this point (18-21) the damage is done. Maybe it's better you spend your efforts trying to get Channel One out of your local gradeschools.
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Posted by: magistre on Dec 13, 2007 7:11 AM
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Posted by: NoKidding on Dec 13, 2007 7:36 AM
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My favorite childhood show was Kimba the White Lion, and if memory serves me, there were no toys or cereal linked to this cartoon! Just having a half hour a day was enough.
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Posted by: ankhet on Dec 13, 2007 8:10 AM
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While I, too, object to all the mass marketing everywhere and all the traps set at every step, if you as an adult can't grow a bit of critical distance from all the swill, it's yer-own-damn-fault.
The world is not a safe place for small creatures and flowers, have you noticed? You are the only protection your child has. Be it.
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Posted by: openeye on Dec 13, 2007 8:05 AM
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Posted by: Shakti on Dec 13, 2007 8:16 AM
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Check out Waldorf education at:
http://www.awsna.org/
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 13, 2007 8:29 AM
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P.S.: Stop watching TV as that's the biggest drug that not even the SLEAZIEST "say no to weed" bullshit commercials don't want you to know. Take your kids out for at least a walk in the park and interact with them. That will bring out the youth in you better than those poisonous over-the-counter "look younger" bullshit.
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Posted by: CharliePatton on Dec 13, 2007 10:02 AM
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Fortunately, it's easy to short-circuit the marketing delivery vector by removing the television from your home.
As a father, I can assure you that your children would much rather spend their time with you than spend hours in front of the idiot box.
Spend quality time with your children--the benefits of doing so are virtually infinite.
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Posted by: PROFPETE on Dec 13, 2007 11:33 AM
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They are also fed a healthy dose of FDR era movies in black and white and color (1930's-1940's)
Raising kids is not for the lazy, nor the absentee-Mom stays at home, and when she feels the need she works at home. My studio is at home, so my art and writing are done on site. If you are going to have kids stay the hell home and grow them right or, do us all a favor, and don't have any.
There is a choice, a bigger home and more materialism or kids with real values, we chose the latter.
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM
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I thank you so much for this discussion and the interview.
As we shop til we drop, we teach our children to embrace the habits we have. Elders also instruct the little ones on what to do with their sense of guilt, obligation, and responsibility. We teach the children how to get what they want. Consumption and waste are a winter, summer, spring, and fall seasonal special.
In America, the latest trend for new moms is "push presents." Diamonds and other goodies are awarded to Mothers post-delivery of baby for a job well-done. An infant is not the bundle of joy a box of jewels is. "Mama gifts" are great. A young girl can hardly wait to have a baby so that she might receive. Little lads can look forward to providing a gesture of "love"
Centavo spoke of a glorious documentary, Story of Stuff. The tale is quite a gem. In a missive, this research was noted. However, I believe we must acknowledge the history and understand the psychology of why we produce, consume, trash, only to produce, consume, and trash again.
Edward Bernays, the nephew of Sigmund Freud, at a young age realized he could sell a war. Bernays worked for the government, as a Public Relations expert, during World War I. Indeed, he helped his uncle become better known and more popular. The Century of Self is a Bernays creation.
I invite your thoughts on . . .
Mother Earth; Story of Stuff or The Seventh Generation
Please view the videos, Century of Self and Story of Stuff.
Betsy L. Angert
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Posted by: TennMom on Dec 13, 2007 11:46 AM
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Marketing aimed at our children is a big nuisance, but nothing more. It might create headaches for parents who cannot say "no" or who refuse to set limits. However, it doesn't cause brain damage nor create sociopaths or psychopaths. If anything, the pervasiveness of marketing aimed at children should be an impetus for better parenting. Good parents spend time with their children, buy books and educational toys instead of "trendy" ones, and from an early age instill in their kids the importance of a budget, the value of a dollar, and the lesson that the key to happiness lies in giving, rather than in receiving. These are the lessons most essential to "being a human being."
Advertising isn't going away and that necessitates we change the way it is perceived by our children. Even without benefit of TV or the Internet, our kids are going to be exposed to it. Unless, of course, one would suggest plain brown wrappers for every product sold in school cafeterias or brought into our homes from the grocery store.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 13, 2007 12:51 PM
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Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Dec 13, 2007 2:53 PM
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I've raised 2 children with minimal television, and with commentary, at every opportunity, identifying marketing-speak or hidden sales agendas.
Our language and images are permeated with this garbage and lies, and the least you can do is tell your children things like:
- to look outdoors when the commentator says; "Canada is watching CSI Miami", and ask why the streets are full of people.
- the traffic is brought to you by a large volume of motorists, not Tom Harry Dick's Chev-Olds.
- Hilfiger should pay THEM for wearing his advertisement on their hiney, etc.
Stay critical. Stay skeptical. There are a lot of hands reaching into your pockets.
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Posted by: masterjc on Dec 13, 2007 2:55 PM
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P.S I am NOT saying TV is the only thing kids should be doing, and reading should also be important part of a childs life. Everything ion moderation is my motto.
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Posted by: nellie blogger on Dec 13, 2007 8:52 PM
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Posted by: Erik1968 on Dec 14, 2007 12:17 AM
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I hate to break it to you, but those are products! We rebel from the marketing cited above to the marketing that resonates with us. Look to your left! Ads! Eek! Alternet is not the public square! This article is a VEHICLE for MARKETING!
Isn't Alternet one of those brands that my identity is built around?
Read your Adorno and Horkeimer. Buying the "good" toys and the "good" food is still marketing. Don't kid yourself. Legos destroy the environment and severely limit a child's imagination. I always hated them as a kid.
I know its no fun to realize that all the cool anti-corporate stuff you love is just as corporate. Stonyfeld and Ben and Jerry's are just arms of multinationals. So is Michael Moore.
That's what's so scary, to me. It's everywhere all the time. The more you think you're outside it, that you've escaped it, the more deluded you are.
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Posted by: hbill on Dec 17, 2007 10:40 AM
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Posted by: skydog on Dec 18, 2007 10:06 AM
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Santa Claus is the biggest brainwasher, turning otherwise normal children into squealing consumerist piglets since kids filled their boots with straw to feed Odin's horse in return for his gifts.
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