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Good Calories, Bad Calories

By Courtney E. Martin, AlterNet. Posted December 12, 2007.


Author Gary Taubes challenges common myths about obesity and explains why Atkins might well have been right.
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If you spend much time at all trying to follow the never-ending headlines on diet and nutrition, you are probably familiar with feeling like a wide-eyed kid in a snake oil shop. One week fat is the root of all evil; the next it might just save your life. One week carbs are the center of a healthy diet; the next they are the cause of all your rolls. To actually determine which of these studies is accurate and which is overblown would take a background in the scientific method and hours upon hours of original research in esoteric medical journals.

You most likely don't have that kind of expertise or time, but lucky for all of us health journalist Gary Taubes does. In his new book, Good Calories, Bad Calories: Challenging the Conventional Wisdom on Diet, Weight Control and Disease, he exhaustively researches the last 100 or so years of medical and nutritional research in order to separate myth from reality. In the process, he uncovers a scientific system -- from training to research to funding to public education -- riddled with institutional bias and substandard rigor. AlterNet caught up with him during his book tour and asked him some questions:

Courtney Martin: How did you become interested in the nexus of diet, obesity and disease research?

Gary Taubes: It just happens to be where my particular journalistic obsession took me. I began my career in the early 1980s writing about physics. I then became fascinated with the extraordinary challenge of doing good science and how hard it is to get the right answer after I lived at a physics laboratory for the better part of a year and watched some extremely smart physicists discover nonexistent elementary particles. I then spent three years working on a book on cold fusion, a scientific fiasco, because I was fascinated with how something so obviously wrong could become such a big deal. Afterward, friends in the physics community suggested that I should look into the bad science underlying the belief that electromagnetic fields cause cancer. That conclusion was based on the science of epidemiology, and suddenly my obsession had taken me from physics to public health research. From there I just followed the bad science -- first writing about observational epidemiology itself, then the controversy over salt and blood pressure, then dietary fat and heart disease, and then obesity and the question of why we gain weight.

Martin: You do such compelling, exhaustive research. Please explain your process.

Taubes: I'm just inherently skeptical. I ask what seem like obvious questions -- can diabetes be caused by sugar, for instance, or if obesity is caused by eating too much, why doesn't eating less reverse the process -- and then I go looking for the answers. I don't like taking anybody's word for something so important, so I look for the actual data, which often means following the references in the relevant papers and books backward in time until I eventually get to the underlying data themselves or find that they don't exist. I also like to talk to the researchers who were directly involved with the relevant studies. This was something I learned in my physics writing. One Nobel laureate who ran a physics laboratory told me that he liked to go around the lab at night and talk to the graduate students directly because "they hadn't learned how to lie yet." I like to talk to the people who actually did the experiments in question -- the graduate students if necessary -- because they'll know all the ways they could have been fooled by their equipment, even while their superiors might be trying to gloss over those inadequacies to make their points.

Martin: You write that the "practice of science requires an exquisite balance between a fierce ambition to discover the truth and a ruthless skepticism toward your own work." Why does it appear that medical scientists have had such a hard time striking this balance?

Taubes: The problem with medical and public health research is that those who do it suffer from the all too admirable desire to save lives and ameliorate human suffering. Doing good science takes extreme patience. You come up with a hypothesis, and then you have to rigorously test it. That's the ruthless skepticism I was talking about. It's the testing that's the excruciatingly difficult and time-consuming part of doing science. It can take decades of experimental tests before it becomes a reasonable bet that your hypothesis, and not some other [idea] that you never even thought of, might be right. But people go into medical and public health research because they want to help people; they want to save lives. They know that hundreds of thousands of Americans, for instance, maybe millions, are dying every year of heart disease and cancer and diabetes, etc., and so they don't believe they have the time to rigorously test their hypotheses.


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Courtney E. Martin is the author of Perfect Girls, Starving Daughters: The Frightening New Normalcy of Hating Your Body. You can read more about her work at www.courtneyemartin.com.

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I'm left wondering what exactly is in this book...
Posted by: jparsons on Dec 12, 2007 1:00 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Some things make me less than interested:

1) The author's labelling of Atkins as right-minded
but deliberately squashed by the establishment.
While Atkins didn't have everything wrong, his
"big picture" of what to eat was flawed. He
died early and overweight, and his method was
thoroughly discredited during a debate with
Dr McDougall, who runs very successful and
scientific diet training programs all over
the world. Nothing to do with a conspiracy
by those who "buy into" the idea that high-fat
low-carb promotes heart disease.

2) The author mentions Atkins, but none of the
doctors like McDougall, Ornish, etc, who have
consistently had genuine, documented, longterm disease
reversal results (including obesity, diabetes, heart disease)
using dietary therapy for lifestyle changes.
Both McDougall and Ornish look fantastically
healthy.

3) The myths he mentions - I suppose it is
possible that these are widely held to be true
and promoted by mainstream nutritionists and
doctors untrained in nutrition. And I guess
that's the information most people get. But
at the risk of sounding like a broken record,
the doctors I mentioned above have books which
disagree with those myths - published years if
not decades ago.

FYI, McDougall and Ornish's programs differ
slightly, and while neither is strictly
vegetarian, animal products are not intended to
make up any significant portion of either
program.
Same for Dr Pinckney's real-world program for heart disease,
discussed here Healing Heart

McDougall's site has lots of info and a free
program overview McDougall Free Info

Anyone who is really interested in diet and
health owes it to themselves to have a look.
Go beyond just debunking some simplistic myths
and see what you could do for yourself.

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» Give up? Never! :-) Posted by: jparsons
Hmmm...
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 12, 2007 3:41 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The first law of thermodynamics no longer applies to humans? A calorie is no longer a calorie? Eating less and exercising more will no longer make you lose weight?

So all of those people in Auschwitz, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, etc. didn't get thin from all the starvation and/or manual labor. They got that way from buying this guy's book, and learning the truth that can only be found in its pages...I'll go get my credit card.

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Intriguing
Posted by: casimmons23 on Dec 12, 2007 4:56 AM   
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I have never bought into the traditional caloric rational for obesity because it just doesn't measure up. One of my best friends and I eat the same amount and have roughly equivalent activity levels (I know this because we have been each other's repeat house guests for week-long visits for 30 years), and we shared clothes in college, yet now I am borderline underweight, and she is morbidly obese. And it is unfair to just assume that she must be a lazy glutton because she is fat, or that I must be anorexic because I am thin. Our metabolisms are different! Yes, she hopes to lose weight by eating half what I do, and exercising twice as hard, but she'll probably still be bigger and still be stigmatized by a judgmental public. I hope that science will one day better understand these cellular energy exchange equations and hopefully provide answers and better options for those who suffer from obesity.

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» RE: Intriguing Posted by: AndyF
» RE: Intriguing Posted by: emgscot51
» RE: Intriguing Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» RE: Intriguing Posted by: emgscot51
» RE: Intriguing Posted by: Grandma Crabby
Obesity and a hardy Hurray for...
Posted by: PROFPETE on Dec 12, 2007 6:09 AM   
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Hurray for at least one scientist who got it right. He is too kind to other scientists, but since I am one (anthropology) I must say he is enlightened and I am happy for him because there are so damned few of us which are. I hope he writes the book he says is needed. America needs more scientists who lack avarice and promote patience.
Tell that to the drug companies which are all too happy to create meaningless drugs that are tested too little (if you except their earliest patient-Guinea pigs) and are far too toxic.
God Bless

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No mention of French/Mediterranean diet?
Posted by: JA on Dec 12, 2007 6:16 AM   
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During my military career, I've lived in Belgium, Germany, Italy, and briefly in France, and I returned for short visits every few years. The difference between populations in Europe and the U.S. is striking. In general they are thinner. The reason isn't a mystery to me, they ate smaller portions and were more active.

The McDougall site that jparsons talks about in the first post would make the people I met, and the family I married into, laugh. All of the foods forbidden by McDougall is exactly what they eat in Western Europe, they just eat less than we do and they walk more to get to work and shopping.

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» The book does mention it Posted by: harpy
Where Is It?
Posted by: Kirsten on Dec 12, 2007 6:20 AM   
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Okay, I was waiting through the whole interview for the author of this book to explain how Atkins jives with the much, much, much better established first law of thermodynamics, or at least for the interviewer to ask about that, but I'm not seeing it. It's all nice and catchy to claim that a calorie is not a calorie, but where's the explanation?

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» Thank you! Posted by: wheresarah
» RE: Thank you! Posted by: Art
Facts and Faith
Posted by: Urstrly on Dec 12, 2007 6:38 AM   
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As someone with life-long weight issues and a healthy respect for science, I would encourage scientists to pursue the issues the author outlines. Any research sponsored by the food industry should be suspect.

Recently, I have been able to change the paradigm of eating in our household with the help of a certified nutritionist.

This is the best investment of time and money I have made in developing a healthy relationship to food. I don't believe that any serious weight loss plan, especially in our culture, should ignore affective emotional and social issues. I had to face the role that feeling undervalued played in my overeating and find other ways to feel better about myself. Some people find this at Weight Watchers, others at Overeater's Anonymous, some with yoga,others with Norris the Beliefnet guy, but for me it was very private and individual. The author might call this "faith" but I would call it psychological and spiritual—and essential.

Since I come in daily contact with many overweight people, I often wonder what social and emotional hunger drives them. And, if our society endorses better health, why don't we tax food with deadly combinations of sugar and salt and preservatives so readily available, much as we tax cigarettes and alcohol.

Preparing several fresh vegetables every day is time-consuming, especially since I must shop for them and use them before they spoil. I also try to keep a variety of fruits, and it's paying off. The evidence is in my waistline and my energy level.

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How about our ancestral diet.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Dec 12, 2007 6:50 AM   
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Unfortunately, this article was more rant against bad science and less description of Taubes' diet recommendations. I think it is fair to say that Atkins was part right, as most popular diets are.

Another author who has meticulously studied the research is Dr. Loren Cordain, author of The Paleo Diet. I believe he has gotten it more right than anyone else. The South Beach Diet is largely a knockoff of the Paleo diet. Briefly, Cordain begins with the theory that human anatomy developed over millions of years to thrive on a "hunter gatherer" diet. Farming was introduced about ten thousand years ago and radically changed the human diet. Some cultures, such as Africans and American Indians, were only introduced to predominately agricultural diets in the last two hundred years. They not coincidentally suffer from a host of diet-related diseases at a much higher rate than the general population.

The growing problem with obesity indicates that over the last couple of generations something else in our diet (or diet/exercise profile) has radically changed for the worse.

This book sounds intriguing because of the reference to cultures with high rates of obesity. I wonder if these were agricultural or hunter gatherer communities.

I think it is important to note that our ancestors ate what they did because there was no choice. The only thing at the all-you-can eat counter was non-starchy and leafy vegetables. They ate meat when they could kill it or scavenge it. Even the meat contained very little fat. Fruits were rare seasonal treats. Starches and added salts were virtually non-existent.

Now we face a plethora of choices, most of them bad. At the same time we have to fight a constant current of marketing for the worst food products, and deliberate efforts to exploit our bodies' survival mechanisms to induce us to consume dangerous but profitable junk, such as the addition of excessive salt, sugars and starches to prepared food.

While a "good" diet was the only diet available to our ancestors, and was thus the easy choice, it now requires a lot of effort and dozens of hard decisions every day.

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Individualize Diets-There IS No Single "Best" Diet
Posted by: drricklippin on Dec 12, 2007 7:17 AM   
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Thanks to the author for exhaustive research on an extremely important topic.

Can we all agree there is no single diet that is "the best" for all of us?

I am not anti-science but rather pro-individualizing medicine. Theoretically the human genome project and one's own values (e.g.-quality vs.quantity of life, etc)will help us.

Dr. Rick Lippin
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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» Yes, AND Posted by: Gravitas
» RE: Yes, AND -VALUES DO COUNT! Posted by: drricklippin
I have read the book
Posted by: harpy on Dec 12, 2007 7:44 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and find it to be extremely informative. I did Atkins several years ago, and the first two weeks I lost 8 pounds just cutting out the starches. I had no hunger, cholesterol tests were great, and I had no trouble maintaining my ideal body weight. Eventually I fell back into bad habits because the "high fiber, good carbs" are pushed at us from all sides, thanks to the various vested interests. I eat starchy carbs, within two days the weight is up. Stay off carbs, the weight goes down. The main problem is that everywhere you go, somebody is shoving breads at you and claiming how healthy they are.
As someone who is concerned with diabetes because of thin relatives who have the disease, I am very aware of the insulin problems caused by high intake of carbohydrate. This book goes into great detail explaining why this happens, and why a higher fat diet is much better for you than high carbohydrate, even when considering heart disease. It's all in there.
The book is very detailed, and it does not read as a novel. It's 460 small type pages long, and that doesn't include notes and references. It's well worth the money and time spent if you're really interested in getting your health back. It validates my return to a low carb existence for my health, especially for the diabetes issues.
Also, Mr. Taubes is not selling diet products, cookbooks, or supplements. This is purely scientific research, not a plug for any diet products.

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» RE: I have read the book Posted by: Grandma Crabby
» Absolutely wrong, Grandma C. Posted by: wheresarah
» Wrong, Grandma Posted by: harpy
My contribution to pseudo-science
Posted by: drmflorida on Dec 12, 2007 8:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I believe obesity is caused by television and cars.

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» RE: My contribution to pseudo-science Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Blood type diet
Posted by: Talon on Dec 12, 2007 9:27 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have found the blood type diet to be very helpful. It's based on the biology of the blood types, and makes a lot of sense. Though the author gets into too much diet detail, the general idea is sensible to me. Now, one has to believe in evolution to buy into his explanation, since he does base the diet on the points in time when the blood types came into existance. Type O, being the oldest, then A's, B's, AB's. O's are the oldest, and existed since cave-man times, and thus do best on a hunter/gatherer diet. He claims people get into health problems when they eat against their type. Who's to say, but I found it made sense.

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» This book is NOT a diet Posted by: harpy
carbs
Posted by: lindalee on Dec 12, 2007 10:30 AM   
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I'm so tired of the back and forth about the Atkins diet. Everyone is different. My sisters and I in our late 40's (47,48,50). I outweigh them each by at least 40 pounds. I work out way, way more than they do, eat less and better and cannot lose weight. When I tried giving up carbs (good and bad) I fainted because my body needs the carbs to do the physical work that I want it to do. So I gave up. And I haven't seen many trainers tell people to give up carbs. Just to eat good ones in moderation!

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I guess it is a step in the right direction but
Posted by: Gravitas on Dec 12, 2007 12:56 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Anything that challenges the myth that fatness is always the result of gluttany is a step in the right direction. There is so much evidence to the contrary, the therodynamics theory was just that, a THEORY. How many times have conventinal paradigms been proven wrong??? However, I can't completely get behind anything endorsing Atkins (even though I get he is not endorsing his diet, just a cause of obesity.) Atkins himself was a horrid man who believed doctors should humiliate patients to motivate them to lose weight (buy his book.) The diet itself is dangerous. When I was in my thin-is-better-brainwash in high school, I followed Atkins for 3 years. I didn't have my cycle, couldn't grow fingernails, or even ride an exercise bike for 3 minutes. I was convinced it was because I was still fat at 135! And since it was in SoCal, everyone else was telling me that too, even though Ihad dropped 50 lbs. Now I know my body cannibalized its muscle and made carbs out of them. Of course, if my heart got damaged and I end up with a heart attack, just blame weight and not the crazy things I did trying to lose it. I have never felt better eating what my body wants, stopping when I am full, and letting Mother Nature determine my size, which is 18! I can also walk up to 5 miles without any problems. If pharma, Bush, Dan Savage or anyone else doesn't it, too bad!!!!!!

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Get a goat.
Posted by: WitchyNy on Dec 12, 2007 12:58 PM   
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Get a grain grinder. Ride a horse. Walk your dog. Grow a garden. Get some chickens. One of my sons was just telling me about a woman who fed her hens mash warmed with Hot Brandy in the winter. Said she got lots of eggs.
I will have to try that.......

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What works
Posted by: farmer's daughter on Dec 12, 2007 1:22 PM   
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I don't know anything about those who have developed a website I am using, nor about their scientific bases, but they have the right outcomes. My MD's at Mayo are delighted with the medical results (blood sugars, cholesterol levels, all the labs) and with the weight loss and change in my physique, after six months. The website (sure, I know it sounds condescending--who cares? It works) is fatloss4idiots.com .
It is the answer for me, a busy professional who is disinclined to count calories, plan restrictive menus and research the nutrition in everything I eat. The diet is made up of fresh foods and the concept is the same as that in this article: it's the mix of calories and nutrients that keep us healthy. These folks give me a menu every 2 weeks, I follow it exactly and have 3 "free days" out of every 14, the weight comes off and my bloodwork improves.

The people behind it:
Internet Made Simple
ATTN: Web Tech Dept.
23785 El Toro Rd. #601
Lake Forest, CA 92630
If you know anything about them, I'd love to hear it. All I can claim to know is the evidence before my eyes--100% success.

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what works
Posted by: opeluboy on Dec 12, 2007 2:18 PM   
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Everyone is not the same. Some people do fine on one regimen, others do not.

I need meat. Without it I do not feel well or perform at my peak. Others do just fine. But I would love to know how many professional athletes are vegetarians.

Here in Hawaii we have quite a large vegen population. But you could not pick them out from the rest of us. Some of the unhealthiest people I know are vegetarians. They do not stand out as models of health or fitness.

I, on the other hand, from following a low-carb diet, am in better shape at 54 than I was at 34. I'm 6'1", have a 30" waist (I had gotten up to 36" years ago), and have much more lean muscle mass (yes, my abs show, even at my age).

I do the same excercise routine (3 days, free weights, roadwork, crunches, etc.) I have done for years, but I didn't really see improvement until I went low carb.

People can dump on this all they want. I know how I feel, and at 54 to be able to put jeans on that I bought 31 years ago when I got married is a really good feeling.

My wife likes it, too.

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How about veganism - not!
Posted by: Jasonix on Dec 12, 2007 5:13 PM   
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I thought AlterNet ran an article a couple weeks ago promoting veganism. Now they're running an article promoting the Atkins diet. Go figure. I guess it qualifies as "balance."

From my experience, the "caveman diet" is the way to go. Roughly speaking, that translates into a diet composed mostly of lean cuts of meat, plentiful vegetables, fruits, and nuts, while minimizing grain and sugars. Avoid refined sugar like the plague.

In general, people fare best when they eat according to their heritage. Research has found that there has been rapid human evolution in the last several thousand years, with most of the natural selection pertaining to diet. That's why Europeans, for example, can drink milk, but Asians cannot. When in doubt, eat what your relatives in the old country eat.

DO NOT eat a vegan diet. Veganism is an ideology, based on religious fervor, and is not based on science. Their literature is full of half-truths and outright lies. They are mystics who want humanity to evolve to a higher ethical plane by not eating animals - and they're willing to sacrifice the health of every man, woman, and child on this planet to attain their "enlightened" civilization. They know that few people will be convinced to sacrifice their health to save animals, so they want to convince us that their diet is healthy. I lived in India, surrounded by hundreds of millions of vegetarians, and I saw nothing to even suggest that vegetarians are healthier. Seen any gold-medal Indian Olympiads lately? Seen any who weren't short, and often with the butter-ball type of physique we've come to associate with a high-carb diet? If you've seen a tall Indian, you've seen a Muslim or a Sikh, not a Hindu. The only reason Hindus even survive is because they do ingest small amounts of animal protein through yogurt and cheese. Vegans only stay alive because they take vitamin pills - they eat synthetic nutrients, no substitute for the real thing, just to keep breathing.

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» RE: How about veganism - not! Posted by: maribelle
Fat is a Survival Adaptation
Posted by: macdon1 on Dec 12, 2007 9:32 PM   
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We haven't been living in centrally heated homes or driving around in cars for very long in evolutionary terms. Our bodies evolved for survival in a hostile world where 3 meals a day didn't exist and there was no polartec to keep us warm. The folks who could adapt by having an efficient fat storage mechanism for the lean times were the ones that passed on their genes and we got 'em. Our problem is that we have no lean times to draw down our fat reserves and no constant hard physical stresses to burn it off either. That is why the now maladapted fatties (myself included) tend to die off from diseases related to overweight. My only way to lower my cholesterol and weight is with a strict semi-starvation,low fat/complex carb diet but it is very hard to stick to and I keep falling off the wagon. Stuff like weight watchers and three meals a day don't work for super efficient little machines like mine that are getting 100 miles to the gallon. In a famine I will still be going after everyone else has dropped.

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"Cholesterol levels"
Posted by: Iraan Ozono on Dec 13, 2007 12:08 AM   
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To further muddy the waters, consider that the relationship between lipoprotein levels and health outcomes is also not a straightforward causal one. Everybody with a "bad" profile does not have a heart attack or ischemic stroke, everyone with a "good" one does not avoid such, even despite absence of other risk factors. These guidelines are based on statistics, not laws, and have been promoted, to the extreme economic benefit of Big Pharma, with drugs to be on "for the rest of your life", or at least until the patent runs out.

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The results of eating much...
Posted by: peter193710 on Dec 13, 2007 12:24 AM   
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Dear Gary,
Thank you for raising such a vital problem.

I am an old man and my life experience tell this:
"If you eat much, drink much, love much you are living less than when you eat less, drink less and love less. Statistically speaking the difference in life time is 3 WEEKS.
Is it worth- for three weeks to abandon a lot of joy?"

As an aside, despite your great efforts, cold fusion is still alive and you will see it at
ICCF-14 Washington, next year. Hope to meet you there.
Peter

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Taubes book on cold fusion
Posted by: JedRothwell on Dec 13, 2007 6:34 AM   
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Gary Taubes wrote:

"I then spent three years working on a book on cold fusion, a scientific fiasco, because I was fascinated with how something so obviously wrong could become such a big deal."

Taubes may have spent three years on the book, but he did not reference a single peer-reviewed paper on cold fusion. At the time he wrote the book there were hundreds, and now there are over a thousand, in mainstream journals, plus 2,500 others in proceedings. He still overlooks the fact that cold fusion has been replicated thousands of times in over 200 major laboratories such as Los Alamos and BARC.

His book is filled with incredible mistakes and grotesque scientific illiteracy. See my review on pages 4 and 5 of this document:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf

Quoting myself:

"[Taubes] claims people sometimes measure electrolysis amperage alone and not voltage, and he thinks that regulated power supplies put out more electricity over the weekend because factories use less power. He thinks some researchers measure tritium once, after the experiment, without establishing a baseline or taking periodic samples. His book is filled with hundreds of similar errors. Perhaps the most mind-boggling one was his statement that a cell might have huge temperature gradients, 'say fifty degrees hotter on one side than the other.' This is like asserting that you might stir a cup of coffee, drink from the right side and find it tepid, but when you turn the cup around and drink from the left side, it will be steaming hot."

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» That sounds familiar Posted by: jparsons
Hasn't Anyone Heard of 'Macrobiotics'?
Posted by: macro on Dec 15, 2007 6:54 PM   
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When it comes to sorting out all the confusion about diet and nutrition, it's unfortunate that you thought Gary Taubes could shed some light on the subject. I actually did know Robert Atkins and he was a very sickly fellow most of his adult life. No one can maintain their long-term health on a high meat protein and low carbohydrate diet. People are obese primarily because they're eating a totally industrial, chemicalized diet(hormone-lace meats, low-grade dairy products, high fructose corn syrup, etc), and getting very little exercise. There are other factors such as compulsive overeating and rare conditions, but the vast majority are victims of the system and their own ignorance. What this interview did do was to get an intelligent discussion started about the obvious connection between health and diet. One of the responses mentioned two doctors, Dean Ornish & John MacDougll who have made enormous contributions to health awareness especially in promoting a high grade complex carbohydrate and low saturated fat diet as the optimum way of eating for the average person. There are easily verifiable statistics that this type of diet seriously reduces and prevents heart disease and helps in combating many types of cancer.Both of these M.D.'s were influenced by the macrobiotic movement which is essentially a philosophy that encourages a traditional, 'holistic' way of eating and thinking which modern society, especially America, has lost sight of. We've become a land of low-conscious, unhealthy fatties easily led and manipulated. I'm 70 years old and the vast majority of people I know who have aged well eat very little or no meat or dairy products plus a lot of fish, vegetables, whole cereal grains and some soy foods. Taubes should know better and stop clouding the issues with his bad science/good science arguments. When it comes to food and medicine, profit comes first and the corporate system is seriously weighted against the common good.We have a food system that is creating more and more disease and a medical system that can only treat the symptoms, and even there it's doing a lousy job.

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Atkins death and the Atkins diet
Posted by: Tricia on Dec 15, 2007 7:32 PM   
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I've heard that Atkins actually died of a heart attack; the result of his high saturated fat diet. He had the attack on the street, fell and hit his head. His business empire wanted to cover up the actual cause of death so came up with the head trauma story. His body was conveniently cremated so there is no way to check their claims.
The Atkins diet is not a healthy one and most people can't stick to it for any length of time as their bodies go into a state of ketosis. While you do lose weight, you gain it back when you go off the diet. This happened to my sister. The aim of a good diet is to effect lifestyle changes in food choices, level of consumption and physical activity that people will stick with.

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