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Why the Democrats Could Lose in 2008

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted December 12, 2007.


Democrats think the public is just interested in new social programs, but voters are looking for something more inspirational.

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National Democrats are upbeat about their chances in Election 2008, citing George W. Bush’s unpopularity and the weirdness of top Republican presidential candidates bogged down in squabbles over who has the right religious outlook or who is the most hostile to illegal immigrants.

But the smug Democratic hierarchy may be inviting defeat, again, by ignoring the fact that many Americans want leadership that appeals to them on the higher plane of principle. Instead, Democrats often treat Americans more like consumers than citizens, selling them new social programs rather than articulating an uplifting national cause.

Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York summed up this consumer-over-citizen approach when she announced her health care plan on Sept. 17:

"We can talk all we want about freedom and opportunity, about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but what does all that mean to a mother or father who can't take a sick child to the doctor?"

Perhaps a different question might be: why would a presidential candidate see the founding principles of the United States as somehow at odds with the desire of parents to want health care for their children?

With her dubious dichotomy, Sen. Clinton suggests that it’s an either-or situation -- and that the founding principles must take a backseat to health-care policy.

One outgrowth of this pragmatism-not-principle approach is that national Democrats have shied away from rallying the American people around the ideals of the Republic, even when they have been under assault by Bush and his administration.

These Democratic leaders don’t seem to think that ephemeral notions -- like checks and balances, the rule of law, and inalienable rights -- matter that much to the average Joe. In this view, health insurance and other social benefits should trump all.

Iraq War Sellout

Congressional Democrats have operated in a similar fashion, teasing the American public with promises to stop the Iraq War but then treating the issue as just another bargaining chip, albeit one covered in the blood of nearly 3,900 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

While many Americans oppose the Iraq War on grounds of morality or as a matter of legal principle, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, told the Washington Post that Democratic leaders were ready to drop their promise to deny Bush any more blank checks for the war if they can get another $11 billion for domestic programs.

“Everybody knows he [Bush] has no intention of signing anything without money for Iraq, unfettered without constraints,” Hoyer said. “I think that’s ultimately going to be the result.”

Ironically, however, the Republicans are now so accustomed to the Democrats caving in on Iraq War funding that the White House is signaling that it has no intention of giving the Democrats anything extra for their predictable collapse. Bush seems prepared to veto the domestic spending -- and pocket another Iraq War blank check.

In contrast to this ever-waffling Democratic leadership, the Republicans do understand the political value of appealing to Americans on a higher plane.

The GOP -- the party of tax cuts for the rich -- has convinced millions of average Americans to vote against their own financial interests in order to advance their principles, from protecting gun rights to outlawing abortion to breaking down the barriers between church and state.

The Republican CNN/YouTube debate on Nov. 28 was dominated by questions and answers that emphasized right-wing goals over programmatic details. Though one may disagree with those priorities, they do go beyond the voter’s pocketbook and address a larger purpose for the nation.

Fear of Flying

National Democrats have been reluctant to engage on this higher plane for many years, beyond occasional feel-good speeches stressing non-controversial values like community and inclusiveness.


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If Hillary Gets The Democratic Nomination
Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 12, 2007 12:41 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1- I will not vote for her or any other Democrat in any race, local to national.

2- I will not donate one thin dime or a minute of my time to any Democrat in any race.

3- I will sit at home and look for overseas employment on election day and watch the Repugnicans take another election.

I'm quite sure I am not alone. I categorically am ready to say that I am as sick and tired of DINOs (Democrats In Name Only), Blue Dog Democrats, DLC Democrats and others that are willing to vacillate, equivocate, triangulate, compromise, sell-out and generally screw over the vast majority of Americans and our nation's future in order to cling to power, position and career.

BushCo couldn't have done a fraction of what he has accomplished without enabling Democrats. Put up a slate of real progressives or I am through with the party. Enough is enough.

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» No, you're not alone Posted by: vox persona
» Nader has been vindicated Posted by: CUnknown
» WOman! Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: WOman! Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: WOman! Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: WOman! Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: WOman! Posted by: MobileSucks
We humans love to join up sides
Posted by: vox persona on Dec 12, 2007 1:21 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Constitution never even so much as mention the concept of 'parties', so by definition parties are other-than-Constitutional. Being the 'I'm-not-Bush' party made for a landslide election result in 2006, but they will need to bring considerably more to the table next year. The Democrats seldom miss opportunities to miss opportunities, and as the author said, they have a tendency to surrender a winning hand. I'd love to play poker with them. The sound of this disgruntled populace is deafening, but the Dems act like they are in the minority and not sure of their principles. I would have had more respect for them if they bucked up when Reagan decimated all of Carter's alternative energy programs, the Dems could have kept sending up high profile alternative energy bills to be vetoed time and again, boxing in the Repugs as the anti-Earth, anti-common-sense, pro-oil company party they are. Remember, Reagan didn't assume office until 1981, and we'd had at least two major gas crises back in the 70's, so it's not like we didn't see this slow train coming down the pike. Wherethehellwerethey? If we went full force into developing solar, wind and other renewables, and creating an Apollo program style project to develop battery storage capacity and new energy sources, we could have been weaned from the demon fossil fuel addiction by now. But noooooooo. Dems have shown to be as bought and owned by the same big money interests as the Rethugs, too bad for us. Now, here we are, 27 years later and at the mercy of countries like Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and invading a country like Iraq for a piece of the oily pie. I hope the profiteers spend half their eternity swimming in the crude sludge. As for the Dems, GROW A SPINE. This dictator/deciderator isn't invincible. You have the momentum and the nation's majority on your side. DON'T BLOW IT.

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Another Example of MSM Punditry
Posted by: armorypk on Dec 12, 2007 1:42 AM   
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So now my choice is between Clinton and Obama, is it? Like so many of your myopic peers, you've missed the real story here - The surging grassroots support for Dennis Kucinich. My God, you don't even mention Edwards! Though not in the same league as Dennis, he certainly represents an alternative to Clinton/Obama. Democrats do have a choice in the primaries, as long as they refuse to fall for the "conventional wisdom" BS found in articles such as this.

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» It IS strange Posted by: war_on_tara
» correction Posted by: war_on_tara
» RE: It IS strange Posted by: Lauren
On Sale!
Posted by: rocketman on Dec 12, 2007 2:51 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is a very real chance that the repubs are going to take this next election. Clinton embodies much of the same we've seen in the past. Edwards doesn't seems to have much substance.Obama? who knows.A fresh face and an unknown.. could America be thinking Kennedy?

On paper the repubs field a much stronger team of candidates. Security, religion, values etc speeches make the democrats seem opposed to these issues - which America is definitely for.

But I still say, the one that comes up strong in the helath care department combined with a bit of rationality has my vote and I'm sure the vote of most of Americans! Could that be Obama? Thats the sell job!

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Could? *WILL* Lose...
Posted by: Louisa on Dec 12, 2007 4:11 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Pelosi has no guts and has not done the job for which she was elected - stop this president in his tracks and get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Impeachment is off the table? Fuck her!

It's all been empty rhetoric on the one hand and backroom deals in the other.

Golden parachutes for all!

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» RE: Could? *WILL* Lose... Posted by: opeluboy
» RE: Could? *WILL* Lose... Posted by: Lauren
Go figure.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 12, 2007 4:21 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hillary's comment is spot-on. We should give all of the values crap a rest, and focus on the day-to-day realities that are killing some of us physically and financially, like lack of health care. All of the blabbering so far about values and national causes has yet to pay any bills or produce any helpful changes for the average guy.

All the values rhetoric is meaningless coming from these folks anyway. The values of a country are cultural, and aren't going to be changed in 4 or 8 years by a president babbling on about them.

I suppose the point of the article is that Americans would rather hear glittering generalities about values than nuts and bolts, and that's how you win elections. In that case, it's too bad, and it goes back to the idea that Americans get the politicians they deserve.

Of course, Democrats, including Hillary, are no strangers to selling out in attempts to win elections, so as a practical matter, maybe they should pay attention to this article.

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» Salesman vs. Statesman Posted by: newtype_alpha
» RE: Salesman vs. Statesman Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Go figure. Posted by: opeluboy
Wrong Title
Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 12, 2007 4:28 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Why The Democrats Will Loose in 2008"

That's Much more like it. Here I go again but the question is just screaming to be posed: Why do you think The big drug companies and Rupert Murdoch have been funding Hillary Clinton's campaign? Here are the only two possible answers to that question:

1. They know she can't possibly win next year and they're determined that she be the Democratic nominee.

2. They have her in their pocket.

It's either number one or number two or (even worse) both. The Democratcs need to nominate someone who will energize its very fed up base. Is Hillary the one who will do that? The Queen of the focus groups? Are you kidding me?

Every recent poll has John Edwards killing any potential GOP rival next year. The reason the corporate media isn't reporting this fact is because they don't want registered Democrats to know about it. They are also determined that she be the standard bearer next year.

If the Democrats foolishly nominate Mrs. Clinton in 2008, they'll deserve every thing that happens to them. Not since 1932 have they ever had a better chance at reclaiming the White House and yet they seem hell bent on blowing it.

I need an asprin.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Spin, Smoke and Mirrors

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» RE: Wrong Title Posted by: Mauimom
» RE: Wrong Title Posted by: LeeAnnG
» RE: Wrong Title Posted by: SufiLizard
» RE: Wrong Title Posted by: Rod in 83706
Don't follow, LEAD with a new message!
Posted by: warrior woman on Dec 12, 2007 4:34 AM   
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In speaking of the Democratic (or Republican) Congress, recognize that the actions that have been taken thus far are purposeful. Don't allow that they are simply being stupid or insipid. They aren't. Every step is a careful strategy.

Don't think of them as reacting or doing as you would. This contemplates that they are acting w/ morals and convictions such as we might have. They are not. Either of their purposes is different from the vast majority of citizens in this country.

What we need to do is try to think as they do in order to thwart their actions.

The media is treating us as though we are sheep, and to date, we have been. Any time that we react to their messages as fact, such as Hillary or Guiliani being front runners, we act as though what they say in that instance is fact. B.S!

If we know that they are not telling us the truth most of the time, what makes anyone think that the polls are correct?

Think of this. If Kucinich or Edwards were elected, they would be a threat to corporations. What would the media then need to do? Paint them as lower tier candidates, unelectable, a little off center, any number of imaginable characterizations. In doing so, they are afforded less donations and eventually the campaigns cave. Is this what we want? I don’t.

Hillary is the old Republican. Huckabee is an evangelical, need I say more?

Blogs and bloggers need to think out of the old box and create their own message. Don’t harp on the big media messages. STOP! IGNORE THEM! We need CHANGE! It must happen in the next election. We are either going to create our own message by doing or we will talk our way through the same old thing as big media is expecting and has led us to do and that means either Hillary or likely Huckabee, not Guiliani. More war, high oil prices, the environment speeding to who knows what, Christian “ethics” in the courts and government, jobs gone and life as we know it substantially less. And that is an understatement.

Don’t follow. LEAD!

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» RE: Yes Posted by: oregoncharles
exoz350
Posted by: exoz350 on Dec 12, 2007 4:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The public is totally fed up with INCOMPETENCE. The winning word for 2008 is COMPETENCE - promised and delivered. Competence covers the whole range of what the voter desires.

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» RE: exoz350 Posted by: Lauren
Complicit in power
Posted by: Hovey on Dec 12, 2007 5:28 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It has been increasingly obvious to me that the Democrats are complicit in Bush's war. They spout some rhetoric from time to time but in the end vote in his favor. Is it that they have cut some back room deal? Are they afraid they will lose constitutional issues in the heavily weighted Bush Supreme court? I think probably the second, they know that as long as they don't don't mess things up too bad that they will have control of the White House Senate and House after the 2008 elections. They see challenges as legal and are pretty sure that the court is not necessarily deciding impartially, there are a bunch of freshly appointed ideologs in there. Pushing and challenging the Bush power grab could end up backfiring in that the court could legitimize the powers. If they wait until a Dem is President and then use those same powers the Republicans will challenge them and the Courts will deny the legitimicy of those very same actions. Brilliant!
Oh wait this is the democratic party they are not thinking that far ahead. Never Mind!

If the Dems put a common farm cow up for President, its got my vote over a Republican. Staying home will only make matters worse.

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» RE: Complicit in power Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Complicit in power Posted by: Lauren
If the Dems wanted, they could play the Values card too...
Posted by: Farasien on Dec 12, 2007 5:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...But they won't. The repugs have a glaring log in their eye- GREED- and everyone knows it. If the progressives wanted to, they could easily mount a major values campaign based around the idea that greed hurts people both individually and collectively, and contrary to Gordon Geckgo's line, it isn't good. I think the reason they don't do something like this- and likely WIN the next election by doing it- is because they are guilty of it too. They live in a glass house and dare not throw a stone. Its pretty damn sad when the supposed guardians of our freedoms and liberty- the progressives on both sides of the asile- have allowed themselves to be bought by the lobbiests with the same check they bought the hearts of the repug and dem parties with. This country needs a third party to do this. If they do, they are going to win the popular vote. If THAT happens, all hell's going to break loose in the beltway when the money party realizes its BS has gone too far.

Unfortunately, I doubt we're ever going to see any of that happen. The call of lobby dollars is simply too strong of a temptation to pass up, and the american people have become too spineless, comfortable and fat to mobilize against it in any meaningful way. It seems to me there was an empire sometime in the past that went down this way... somewhere in Italy, if memory serves. Maybe we should look into that... when we're not watching American Idol...

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Oh for God's sake, the reason Democrats are going to lose is simple !
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 12, 2007 6:11 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We voters made it clear that we were in dire need of a Congress that would take away Bush's war-mongering toys and so we held our noses and voted Democrat. Well !?!?!?! Look what we got in return. They've been caving in to Bush even more after getting a "majority" status in both chambers of Congress. In fact, if I didn't even know that the Democrats had won last year, I would have thought that all branches are stacked with heavy GOP majorities. Eisenhower and Gerald Ford would not settle for either one of these parties if they were alive today ! In any case, people are going to be stuck with one of two choices:

A. The GOP aka The Big Bad Wolf

B. The Democrats aka The Big Bad Wolf in Sheep's clothing

Now you tell me which choice people will go for when they sick and tired of back stabbing bastards giving empty promises before the election and then going the other way once in office.

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» RE: A boycott will NOT work Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: A boycott will NOT work Posted by: Lauren
Johanna Moren
Posted by: Johanna Moren on Dec 12, 2007 6:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Democrats in America are making the same mistake as the Democrats in Europe. Because they have become immoral Selfish, power at any price, they think their people are all like them. They are not. They seem to have lost all contact with the people they govern.

Why don't they ask the question..."How do we feel when we see our leaders of both America and Europe get together for their unending meetings about a peace they have no intentions of giving the world. Peace isn't profitable.

They have to be protected by thousands of police and soldiers and security guards to keep them safe, not from enemies but from their own people. People who only want to tell them that they are not happy with what they are doing, in their name."
When you see fences being built six feet high with barbed wire on top. That is not to keep out terrorists, no, no, no. But the people.

They better take notice, because one day they are going to get enough courage to storm the barricades, they have done it before.

Millions went out on the streets against this dreadful war in Irak. Do they really believe we have forgotten???
The backlash is, we have no faith in them anymore.
Somebody had better come up with a bit of idealism or brotherly love, or our societies are going to rot from within, it is already happening. All Empires fall from within.

Keep the picture in your mind of those thousands of police, soldiers, security guards,walls with barbed wire.
Those pictures tell a story that isn't very nice to hear. Leaders beware!!!
Johanna Moren.

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» RE: Johanna Moren Posted by: vssmith
No brains, not guts, no heart: the Democrats
Posted by: Moore Hognutz on Dec 12, 2007 6:43 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I disagree. Nancy Pelosi permanently upstaged all the presidential candidates when she said impeachment was off the table. The Democrats have become the party of the stupid, the pusilanimous, and the uncaring. They should do well in 2008 because they have correctly seen that the "American people" (I hate it when they say that) have become perfectly dumb, gutless, and insensate.

I would like to see these leaders of ours cut to pieces by laughing Chiricahua second graders armed with dull knives and sarcasm. But we, the people, have not earned the right to see that pleasant moment, nor will we.

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Dennis Kucinich is not like the others
Posted by: newmoonnaturals on Dec 12, 2007 6:53 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Readers, please check out Dennis Kucinich. I encourage you to watch a video so that you can hear him speak. Google him or go to his website because you won't find it anywhere else. This man is getting no coverage in the media for a REASON!!! Because he openly speaks out against the mega-corporate-industrial-media-propaganda-war-machine, of which he is NOT (I repeat NOT) a puppet. He voted against the Iraq war from day ONE. There is hope .... please do your own research and stop following the media. Get to know Dennis and his message. Thank you.

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» Eh... Posted by: kepstein7777
» Cut Kucinich a break Posted by: CUnknown
» RE: Cut Kucinich a break Posted by: Lauren
» This is not a beauty pagent folks Posted by: newmoonnaturals
Democrats: 2008 Is Your To Lose
Posted by: SufiLizard on Dec 12, 2007 6:59 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Republicans have a thoroughly uninspiring slate of candidates for the 2008 presidential race so Democrats HAVE to realize 2008 is theirs to lose.

Unfortunately, it seems that's exactly what they're trying to do.

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Beltway BS
Posted by: Urstrly on Dec 12, 2007 7:01 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How many elections must the Democrats lose before they walk away from people like Celinda Lake and Mark Penn? The only polls that matter are held on Election Day, and the last one indicated that the American people want this war ended. Instead, the Dems (or enough to swing the vote) caved again this week.

Pelosi threw away the most powerful weapon she held when she took impeachment off the table. One thing the Republicans have is the strength of their convictions and the will to power. If Democrats really believed what they say they do—that the power is with the people—they'd quit entrusting the future to pollsters who measure whimsy when what people crave is conviction and courage.

You won't get that with Hillary, and, frankly, this is no time to quibble about the best health insurance plan. If we attack Iran or there's another terrorist strike, we're toast.

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» RE: Beltway BS Posted by: Knot_Rich
One party 2 wings
Posted by: Azraelsjudgement on Dec 12, 2007 7:37 AM   
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There is only one political party in the USA and that is the unconstitutional, warfare, welfare, taxation, corrupt party. It just has 2 wings to create a nice divide and conquer strategy. Both sides promise and promise and when elected laugh their way to the bank as the majority loose power, rights, and money.

Only the "fringe" candidates such as Paul, Kucinich, Gravel and a few scattered here and there actually believe in following their own principles, which is why they are labeled as fringe because they make no sense to the MSM and status quo. These are the types of people that need to be voted in.

Maybe in fact we need to throw out party politics in general.
I think it is insane that the more corrupt the federal government gets the more power people want to give it over us with things like Universal healthcare. It makes so sense. We need to reduce the power and money that goes to government and give it back to ourselves.

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One-Party Government
Posted by: Dianka on Dec 12, 2007 7:51 AM   
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The Democratic party leadership is the best thing that ever happened to Republicans. President Clinton gave the right wing the thing they wanted most of all---ending basic aid for our poor, transferring public dollars from welfare into covering the cost of "tax breaks" for corporations. It took a man like Clinton to effectively remove the discussion of US poverty from the table. Any opposition to the worst of the Republican policies, from social policies to the war, is guaranteed to be kept to a minimum---token grumbling, but with votes kept below a level needed to override a veto by the Bush administration.

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"Over the rainbow...."
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Dec 12, 2007 8:05 AM   
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Who can ever forget the magical and heart-rending singing of Judy Garland in the Wizard of Oz. The simple tale of deliverance to a world of love and respect seems so dated today as we witness a once great nation plummet in shame. Where is the Judy to deliver us again? Listen to the candidates and hear what I hear....it begins with "Imagine" and it wafts just as loudly and worthily as that precious girl of yore and leads us not to the "Grand Wizard" but to Dennis Kucinich. Will we listen or will we be abandoned and ignored....again.

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» RE: "Over the rainbow...." Posted by: Lauren
Anti-Hillary Liberals UNITE!
Posted by: QQOblivion on Dec 12, 2007 8:11 AM   
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The liberal anti-Hillary voters are split. That is why H Clinton is the frontrunner among Democrats.
If the Democratic base is going to get their way in any way EVER again they are going to have to unify behind a candidate who is not Hillary. Hillary would/will lose to the Republican nominee in the general election. (And EVERY Republican nominee, besides possibly Paul, is MUCH WORSE than even Bush.)
I don't care if the anti-Hillary Dems unite behind Kucinich or Obama or Edwards or whomever. But they are going to need to unite behind SOMEONE NOW. Or else!

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Paul, Kucinich or third party
Posted by: James W. Harris on Dec 12, 2007 8:14 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Republicans have waged war on America since 2000.

Americans voted for Democrats in 2006, in the hope they would stop the war on America as well as the Iraq war. To stop the corporate welfare, stop the pillaging, stop the torture, stop the corruption....

Instead, the Democrats too betrayed America and did... nothing.

I will vote Ron Paul in the primaries, and tout Kucinich as an honorable alternative. I will vote for Paul or Kucinich should they, by some miracle, become our candidates.

Otherwise, I won't support the "two" parties that operate exactly the same. I'll vote for an honorable third party candidate, and work to build grassroots alternatives, whether in or out of the two older parties.

But I'm not going to vote for the people who so savagely betrayed America, whatever party they happen to have aligned their lust for power with.

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» Shooting Posted by: CUnknown
whoever wins will have to address peak oil
Posted by: Missing Piece on Dec 12, 2007 8:44 AM   
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and that will mean sacrifice, big time sacrafice on a scale no american is ready for. Like no more cars and no more energy for the masses. which ever party wins in 08, they will definately have to address the biggest most immediate problem america has ever had to face. Why do you think america occupies Iraq? Because we want to spread freedom? No I'm afraid its because militarily the worlds most powerful country has to if it wants to stay the most powerfull, and even alternet readers will be praising the action of the neocons when they figure out what peak oil means (the starvation of millions of people). we should have followed Carters lead when he tried to get us to sacrifice after america's oil production peaked.

Its not going to be pretty and the answer is wind, solar and nuclear in that order, but it still means no cars and no energy for the masses. My advice, build an earth home buy wind if you have #3 wind and solar if you don't. Learn to live without oil and electricity and plant a garden with knowledge of how to store seeds, ya you could trap animals but they'll be the first to get wiped out when people are starving. just remember if it wasn't for peak oil we would have outrun our resources to the point of collapse atleast this way the planet can start to heal.

good luck, this is my optimistic view of the future because more than likely resource wars and more false flags to take away our rites will be the norm. we will likely become a police state using propaganda and prisons to control the masses, its worked well so far, (WT7, need I say more).

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Wouldn't it be a gas
Posted by: willymack on Dec 12, 2007 8:53 AM   
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If the 2008 election came down to a race between Kucinich and Paul? Wouldn't it be fun to see the "business as usual" applecart turned upside-down? Wouldn't it be nice to have to choose between two candidates who are HONEST AND DECENT, instead of the lesser of two evils? We, the people, have the power to do just this, if we can shake off the cobwebs of perceived inevitability and do what we know is right, we can make this happen. Well, got to go; the REAL world is demanding my attention.

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Here is who and what we are up against ...
Posted by: TarryFaster on Dec 12, 2007 9:11 AM   
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with a special page on how Hillary can cost the Democrats the general election. Click here.

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AlterNet, get your head out of your ASS
Posted by: Flora Gael on Dec 12, 2007 10:30 AM   
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AlterNet, YOU are as responsible for betraying American values as most of the Dems are, for you NEVER give any coverage or credit to the ONLY PROGRESSIVE in the race - Dennis Kucinich. You claim to be for all these progressive values, and then you screw over Democracy by only reporting on Hilbama. It's YOUR responsibility to cover the lesser known, PROGRESSIVE candidates.

You make me sick, truly. You have no claims to any legitimacy when you cavalierly overlook TRUE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES.

Dennis Kucinich represents a break from the mainstream Democrats and is garnering lots and lots and lots of support - no thanks to you, of course, you who claim to be so progressive and then toe the mainstream Democrat line.

www.kucinich.us

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