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Why the Democrats Could Lose in 2008
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National Democrats are upbeat about their chances in Election 2008, citing George W. Bush’s unpopularity and the weirdness of top Republican presidential candidates bogged down in squabbles over who has the right religious outlook or who is the most hostile to illegal immigrants.
But the smug Democratic hierarchy may be inviting defeat, again, by ignoring the fact that many Americans want leadership that appeals to them on the higher plane of principle. Instead, Democrats often treat Americans more like consumers than citizens, selling them new social programs rather than articulating an uplifting national cause.
Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York summed up this consumer-over-citizen approach when she announced her health care plan on Sept. 17:
"We can talk all we want about freedom and opportunity, about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but what does all that mean to a mother or father who can't take a sick child to the doctor?"
Perhaps a different question might be: why would a presidential candidate see the founding principles of the United States as somehow at odds with the desire of parents to want health care for their children?
With her dubious dichotomy, Sen. Clinton suggests that it’s an either-or situation -- and that the founding principles must take a backseat to health-care policy.
One outgrowth of this pragmatism-not-principle approach is that national Democrats have shied away from rallying the American people around the ideals of the Republic, even when they have been under assault by Bush and his administration.
These Democratic leaders don’t seem to think that ephemeral notions -- like checks and balances, the rule of law, and inalienable rights -- matter that much to the average Joe. In this view, health insurance and other social benefits should trump all.
Iraq War Sellout
Congressional Democrats have operated in a similar fashion, teasing the American public with promises to stop the Iraq War but then treating the issue as just another bargaining chip, albeit one covered in the blood of nearly 3,900 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
While many Americans oppose the Iraq War on grounds of morality or as a matter of legal principle, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, told the Washington Post that Democratic leaders were ready to drop their promise to deny Bush any more blank checks for the war if they can get another $11 billion for domestic programs.
“Everybody knows he [Bush] has no intention of signing anything without money for Iraq, unfettered without constraints,†Hoyer said. “I think that’s ultimately going to be the result.â€
Ironically, however, the Republicans are now so accustomed to the Democrats caving in on Iraq War funding that the White House is signaling that it has no intention of giving the Democrats anything extra for their predictable collapse. Bush seems prepared to veto the domestic spending -- and pocket another Iraq War blank check.
In contrast to this ever-waffling Democratic leadership, the Republicans do understand the political value of appealing to Americans on a higher plane.
The GOP -- the party of tax cuts for the rich -- has convinced millions of average Americans to vote against their own financial interests in order to advance their principles, from protecting gun rights to outlawing abortion to breaking down the barriers between church and state.
The Republican CNN/YouTube debate on Nov. 28 was dominated by questions and answers that emphasized right-wing goals over programmatic details. Though one may disagree with those priorities, they do go beyond the voter’s pocketbook and address a larger purpose for the nation.
Fear of Flying
National Democrats have been reluctant to engage on this higher plane for many years, beyond occasional feel-good speeches stressing non-controversial values like community and inclusiveness.
The Democrats shy away from standing up for constitutional principles, possibly because they see these concepts as too abstract for common citizens.
Democrats have been weak, too, in understanding the value of truth in a democracy. Even when a Republican administration is on the hot seat, the Democrats have shown a proclivity to trade away a difficult showdown over accountability for some votes on domestic programs.
In 1993, the incoming Clinton administration and the Democratic majorities in the House and Senate helped Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush sweep under the rug the full story about national security scandals, such as the Iran-Contra Affair and the Iraq-gate scandal, both involving secret military shipments to the Middle East.
President Bill Clinton later explained that he felt it was more important to build goodwill with Republicans whose help he needed on domestic programs than to pursue the truth about those historical issues. [For details, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege.]
As it turned out, Clinton got no help from the Republicans on his domestic agenda and no reciprocity when it came to Clinton’s own scandals. The Republicans won control of Congress in 1994 by rallying their base around the issue of Clinton’s immorality.
In 1998, Clinton was impeached by the Republican-controlled House for lying about a sexual relationship and -- although acquitted by the Senate -- his reputation was forever tarred. As Republicans hammered away at Clinton’s ethical lapses, the Democratic counter-argument boiled down to: Gee, look at the booming economy.
But that pocketbook self-interest wasn’t enough to save the Democrats in Campaign 2000. Texas Gov. George W. Bush managed to overcome public doubts about his competence by stressing his supposed commitment to restore “honor and decency†to the Oval Office.
That pledge -- along with fond memories of the elder George Bush and some artificial scandals about Al Gore’s integrity -- got Bush close enough to snatch the White House, while Republicans also continued to dominate Congress through 2006. [For details,see Robert Parry’s book, Neck Deep.]
Public Outrage
Finally, in Campaign 2006, the Democrats started giving voice to the public’s outrage over the lies that had justified the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Millions of Americans also were alarmed by how brazenly Bush was trampling the nation’s constitutional liberties by asserting his “plenary†or unlimited powers as Commander in Chief.
Trying to salvage the congressional Republican majorities, Bush played the fear card again and again on the campaign trail, essentially arguing that he would keep Americans safe so they could comfortably go shopping at the mall.
In effect, the principle v. self-interest balance tilted toward the Democrats. They were the ones with the more idealistic vision of the United States as a brave nation that would not surrender its Constitution in the face of fear.
The election result was a surprising victory for the Democrats as they won back control of the House and the Senate.
Rank-and-file Democratic activists began demanding that their new majorities stand tough against Bush’s open-ended war in Iraq and seek his impeachment if he continued his arrogation of constitutional powers.
But the Inside-the-Beltway Democratic consultants quickly began to reassert their influence over the national party. They called on the leaders to shelve proposals for curtailing the Iraq War and throw out any notion of impeachment, instead pushing for “kitchen-table†issues like raising the minimum wage.
"People are not looking to their individual members of Congress to solve the Iraq War," said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. "For the House to be focused on it now would look like partisan bickering rather than getting on with the people's business."
Lake’s view of the Iraq War as a diversion was shared by several leading Democrats in Congress, including Hoyer and Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois.
Referring to Bush’s Iraq War “surge†and the need to focus on the Democratic domestic agenda, Emanuel said, "I know where support for more troops is, and I know where support is for the minimum-wage increase.â€
But Democratic grassroots outrage forced the congressional leadership at least to pay lip service to stopping the war. So, the Democrats conducted what amounted to a phony legislative battle, putting up some symbolic anti-war resolutions and trying to attach timelines to war funding bills.
When faced with Republican filibusters or a Bush veto, however, the Democrats ran up the white flag. Instead of conducting their own filibuster to block another blank check for the war, the Democrats surrendered.
On the constitutional front, not only did they keep impeachment “off the table,†as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had said, the Democrats failed to mount any sustained investigations of Bush’s high-handed abuse of his powers.
Rather than launch Fulbright-style investigations of the disastrous Iraq War, Sen. Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chose to make an unlikely run for President. Other committee chairmen held some scattershot hearings but nothing sustained and comprehensive.
Even with the new revelations that Bush’s CIA destroyed videotapes of alleged torture of terror suspects, the Democrats have mostly confined themselves to calls for the Bush administration to investigate itself.
To put it mildly, the Democratic behavior over the past year has not been inspirational.
Edgy Base
Now, the Democratic leaders are acting as if they’ll be guaranteed more seats in Congress and a return to the White House if they don’t offend anybody over the next 11 months.
But the Democratic base is edgy. They’ve seen this wishful thinking before -- and it usually ends up with another muddled Democratic campaign and another Republican victory.
Since Hillary Clinton is seen as a chief practitioner of this politics of principle-avoidance, many rank-and-file Democrats are turning against her.
Some would have preferred Al Gore, who combines a depth of experience on key issues like the environment with the foresight to have opposed Bush on the Iraq War and his assault on the Constitution. But Gore has opted for a life as an acclaimed private citizen.
That has caused many Democrats who are uncomfortable with Sen. Clinton’s obsessive pragmatism to shift toward Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, despite his limited experience and his own tendency toward conciliation over conflict.
While Obama received high marks for his eloquent keynote address to the Democratic convention in 2004, it was striking, too, in its failure to criticize Bush by name or to articulate why the country should fire its sitting President.
As other Democrats joined Obama in pulling their punches, John Kerry emerged from the convention with an extraordinary zero bounce.
Still, a growing number of rank-and-file Democrats appear ready to gamble now on what they hope will be an uplifting Obama candidacy, over the prospect of a grim-and-grinding Hillary Clinton campaign.
More than anything, many in the Democratic base want to send a message to the Democratic leadership that –regardless of what the professional pollsters might say -- principles do matter to Americans.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 12, 2007 12:41 AM
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2- I will not donate one thin dime or a minute of my time to any Democrat in any race.
3- I will sit at home and look for overseas employment on election day and watch the Repugnicans take another election.
I'm quite sure I am not alone. I categorically am ready to say that I am as sick and tired of DINOs (Democrats In Name Only), Blue Dog Democrats, DLC Democrats and others that are willing to vacillate, equivocate, triangulate, compromise, sell-out and generally screw over the vast majority of Americans and our nation's future in order to cling to power, position and career.
BushCo couldn't have done a fraction of what he has accomplished without enabling Democrats. Put up a slate of real progressives or I am through with the party. Enough is enough.
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» What are you smoking??? WE did elect dems to the congress....
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» You never tire in your rethug promotion of ron paul do you pepper?
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» RE: If Hillary Gets The Democratic Nomination
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» Hey boz, did pepper teach you to capitalise a lot of words?
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» Nader has been vindicated
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» Where pepper is, cuknown is sure to be coming along! Are you two joined at the hip?
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» RE: Where pepper is, cuknown is sure to be coming along! Are you two joined at the hip?
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» WOman!
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» Leftout, did pepper teach you to say hitlery? Or did you you just make it up all by yourself?
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» RE: If Hillary Gets The Democratic Nomination
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» How anyone could vote for her in the primary is BEYOND me!
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» BTW - I will be voting Green if she gets the nomination
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» RE: BTW - Research-ignore the bashing and bias-
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» Talk about cutting off your nose
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» nopc, so you would like to see another four years of rethugs because? You probably are a rethug.
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» RE: If Hillary Gets The Democratic Nomination-WE will win!!
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Posted by: vox persona on Dec 12, 2007 1:21 AM
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» They aren't mentioned because they ARE an alternative to the corporate agenda. nm
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» Edwards can win the Nascar vote and a few Republican moderates as well
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» It IS strange
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» correction
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» RE: It IS strange
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» Lauren, there are a lot of these rethug trolls here today. Of course most of them are pepper/prohit.
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Posted by: rocketman on Dec 12, 2007 2:51 AM
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On paper the repubs field a much stronger team of candidates. Security, religion, values etc speeches make the democrats seem opposed to these issues - which America is definitely for.
But I still say, the one that comes up strong in the helath care department combined with a bit of rationality has my vote and I'm sure the vote of most of Americans! Could that be Obama? Thats the sell job!
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» there you go, saying what this article is pointing out.....
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» RE: there you go, saying what this article is pointing out.....
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» Gee pepper, you didn't include your boy ron paul as a choice?
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Posted by: Louisa on Dec 12, 2007 4:11 AM
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Impeachment is off the table? Fuck her!
It's all been empty rhetoric on the one hand and backroom deals in the other.
Golden parachutes for all!
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» RE: Could? *WILL* Lose...
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» RE: Could? *WILL* Lose...
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 12, 2007 4:21 AM
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All the values rhetoric is meaningless coming from these folks anyway. The values of a country are cultural, and aren't going to be changed in 4 or 8 years by a president babbling on about them.
I suppose the point of the article is that Americans would rather hear glittering generalities about values than nuts and bolts, and that's how you win elections. In that case, it's too bad, and it goes back to the idea that Americans get the politicians they deserve.
Of course, Democrats, including Hillary, are no strangers to selling out in attempts to win elections, so as a practical matter, maybe they should pay attention to this article.
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» Those who would trade liberty for a little security deserve &......
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» RE: Tell that to all the people in jail for consensual crimes, felons have trouble getting jobs
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» Salesman vs. Statesman
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 12, 2007 4:28 AM
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That's Much more like it. Here I go again but the question is just screaming to be posed: Why do you think The big drug companies and Rupert Murdoch have been funding Hillary Clinton's campaign? Here are the only two possible answers to that question:
1. They know she can't possibly win next year and they're determined that she be the Democratic nominee.
2. They have her in their pocket.
It's either number one or number two or (even worse) both. The Democratcs need to nominate someone who will energize its very fed up base. Is Hillary the one who will do that? The Queen of the focus groups? Are you kidding me?
Every recent poll has John Edwards killing any potential GOP rival next year. The reason the corporate media isn't reporting this fact is because they don't want registered Democrats to know about it. They are also determined that she be the standard bearer next year.
If the Democrats foolishly nominate Mrs. Clinton in 2008, they'll deserve every thing that happens to them. Not since 1932 have they ever had a better chance at reclaiming the White House and yet they seem hell bent on blowing it.
I need an asprin.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Spin, Smoke and Mirrors
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» I think you have a winning ticket there and agree with you.
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» They have her in their pocket
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Posted by: warrior woman on Dec 12, 2007 4:34 AM
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Don't think of them as reacting or doing as you would. This contemplates that they are acting w/ morals and convictions such as we might have. They are not. Either of their purposes is different from the vast majority of citizens in this country.
What we need to do is try to think as they do in order to thwart their actions.
The media is treating us as though we are sheep, and to date, we have been. Any time that we react to their messages as fact, such as Hillary or Guiliani being front runners, we act as though what they say in that instance is fact. B.S!
If we know that they are not telling us the truth most of the time, what makes anyone think that the polls are correct?
Think of this. If Kucinich or Edwards were elected, they would be a threat to corporations. What would the media then need to do? Paint them as lower tier candidates, unelectable, a little off center, any number of imaginable characterizations. In doing so, they are afforded less donations and eventually the campaigns cave. Is this what we want? I don’t.
Hillary is the old Republican. Huckabee is an evangelical, need I say more?
Blogs and bloggers need to think out of the old box and create their own message. Don’t harp on the big media messages. STOP! IGNORE THEM! We need CHANGE! It must happen in the next election. We are either going to create our own message by doing or we will talk our way through the same old thing as big media is expecting and has led us to do and that means either Hillary or likely Huckabee, not Guiliani. More war, high oil prices, the environment speeding to who knows what, Christian “ethics” in the courts and government, jobs gone and life as we know it substantially less. And that is an understatement.
Don’t follow. LEAD!
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Posted by: exoz350 on Dec 12, 2007 4:49 AM
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Posted by: Hovey on Dec 12, 2007 5:28 AM
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Oh wait this is the democratic party they are not thinking that far ahead. Never Mind!
If the Dems put a common farm cow up for President, its got my vote over a Republican. Staying home will only make matters worse.
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» Yeah people use your noggins, ask why whenever pepper is here a whole lot of people who just
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Posted by: Farasien on Dec 12, 2007 5:37 AM
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Unfortunately, I doubt we're ever going to see any of that happen. The call of lobby dollars is simply too strong of a temptation to pass up, and the american people have become too spineless, comfortable and fat to mobilize against it in any meaningful way. It seems to me there was an empire sometime in the past that went down this way... somewhere in Italy, if memory serves. Maybe we should look into that... when we're not watching American Idol...
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 12, 2007 6:11 AM
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A. The GOP aka The Big Bad Wolf
B. The Democrats aka The Big Bad Wolf in Sheep's clothing
Now you tell me which choice people will go for when they sick and tired of back stabbing bastards giving empty promises before the election and then going the other way once in office.
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» RE: A boycott will NOT work
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» RE: A boycott will NOT work
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» Follow the benefit. Who benefits if progressives boycott the election!
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» RE: Oh for God's sake, the reason Democrats are going to lose is simple !
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» RE: Oh for God's sake, the reason Democrats are going to lose is simple !
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» RE: Oh for God's sake, the reason Democrats are going to lose is simple !
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Posted by: Johanna Moren on Dec 12, 2007 6:37 AM
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Why don't they ask the question..."How do we feel when we see our leaders of both America and Europe get together for their unending meetings about a peace they have no intentions of giving the world. Peace isn't profitable.
They have to be protected by thousands of police and soldiers and security guards to keep them safe, not from enemies but from their own people. People who only want to tell them that they are not happy with what they are doing, in their name."
When you see fences being built six feet high with barbed wire on top. That is not to keep out terrorists, no, no, no. But the people.
They better take notice, because one day they are going to get enough courage to storm the barricades, they have done it before.
Millions went out on the streets against this dreadful war in Irak. Do they really believe we have forgotten???
The backlash is, we have no faith in them anymore.
Somebody had better come up with a bit of idealism or brotherly love, or our societies are going to rot from within, it is already happening. All Empires fall from within.
Keep the picture in your mind of those thousands of police, soldiers, security guards,walls with barbed wire.
Those pictures tell a story that isn't very nice to hear. Leaders beware!!!
Johanna Moren.
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Posted by: Moore Hognutz on Dec 12, 2007 6:43 AM
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I would like to see these leaders of ours cut to pieces by laughing Chiricahua second graders armed with dull knives and sarcasm. But we, the people, have not earned the right to see that pleasant moment, nor will we.
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Posted by: newmoonnaturals on Dec 12, 2007 6:53 AM
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» I agree, in fact, instead of complaining, get out to the caucuses....
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» Eh...
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» Cut Kucinich a break
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» This is not a beauty pagent folks
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» "Top Tier" Candidates Fear Kucinich
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Dec 12, 2007 6:59 AM
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Unfortunately, it seems that's exactly what they're trying to do.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Dec 12, 2007 7:01 AM
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Pelosi threw away the most powerful weapon she held when she took impeachment off the table. One thing the Republicans have is the strength of their convictions and the will to power. If Democrats really believed what they say they do—that the power is with the people—they'd quit entrusting the future to pollsters who measure whimsy when what people crave is conviction and courage.
You won't get that with Hillary, and, frankly, this is no time to quibble about the best health insurance plan. If we attack Iran or there's another terrorist strike, we're toast.
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Posted by: Azraelsjudgement on Dec 12, 2007 7:37 AM
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Only the "fringe" candidates such as Paul, Kucinich, Gravel and a few scattered here and there actually believe in following their own principles, which is why they are labeled as fringe because they make no sense to the MSM and status quo. These are the types of people that need to be voted in.
Maybe in fact we need to throw out party politics in general.
I think it is insane that the more corrupt the federal government gets the more power people want to give it over us with things like Universal healthcare. It makes so sense. We need to reduce the power and money that goes to government and give it back to ourselves.
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Posted by: Dianka on Dec 12, 2007 7:51 AM
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» coporate media will never let kucinich win
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Dec 12, 2007 8:11 AM
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If the Democratic base is going to get their way in any way EVER again they are going to have to unify behind a candidate who is not Hillary. Hillary would/will lose to the Republican nominee in the general election. (And EVERY Republican nominee, besides possibly Paul, is MUCH WORSE than even Bush.)
I don't care if the anti-Hillary Dems unite behind Kucinich or Obama or Edwards or whomever. But they are going to need to unite behind SOMEONE NOW. Or else!
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» RE: OK, so lets all agree on who to unite behind, because I agree with you.
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» RE: OK, so lets all agree on who to unite behind, because I agree with you.
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» RE: Anti-Hillary Liberals UNITE!
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Dec 12, 2007 8:14 AM
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Americans voted for Democrats in 2006, in the hope they would stop the war on America as well as the Iraq war. To stop the corporate welfare, stop the pillaging, stop the torture, stop the corruption....
Instead, the Democrats too betrayed America and did... nothing.
I will vote Ron Paul in the primaries, and tout Kucinich as an honorable alternative. I will vote for Paul or Kucinich should they, by some miracle, become our candidates.
Otherwise, I won't support the "two" parties that operate exactly the same. I'll vote for an honorable third party candidate, and work to build grassroots alternatives, whether in or out of the two older parties.
But I'm not going to vote for the people who so savagely betrayed America, whatever party they happen to have aligned their lust for power with.
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» unfortunately, the voting public will not,
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» Good point, but unfortunately while Paul is rising in the polls....
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» Shooting
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Dec 12, 2007 8:44 AM
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Its not going to be pretty and the answer is wind, solar and nuclear in that order, but it still means no cars and no energy for the masses. My advice, build an earth home buy wind if you have #3 wind and solar if you don't. Learn to live without oil and electricity and plant a garden with knowledge of how to store seeds, ya you could trap animals but they'll be the first to get wiped out when people are starving. just remember if it wasn't for peak oil we would have outrun our resources to the point of collapse atleast this way the planet can start to heal.
good luck, this is my optimistic view of the future because more than likely resource wars and more false flags to take away our rites will be the norm. we will likely become a police state using propaganda and prisons to control the masses, its worked well so far, (WT7, need I say more).
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» That is why we need to vote for Kucinich.
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Posted by: willymack on Dec 12, 2007 8:53 AM
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» No Offense Taken - but need ADVICE
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Posted by: TarryFaster on Dec 12, 2007 9:11 AM
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Posted by: Flora Gael on Dec 12, 2007 10:30 AM
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You make me sick, truly. You have no claims to any legitimacy when you cavalierly overlook TRUE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES.
Dennis Kucinich represents a break from the mainstream Democrats and is garnering lots and lots and lots of support - no thanks to you, of course, you who claim to be so progressive and then toe the mainstream Democrat line.
www.kucinich.us
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Dec 12, 2007 10:34 AM
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Virtually every Presidential election since 1912 has correlated to one factor: the increase in personal income. If it was below 4.5 percent, the party in power was voted out.
There was only one exception, and that was the election of 2000 where our idiot-in-chief lost the popular vote but the Republicans on the Supreme Court gave it to him anyway.
How is personal income doing? If you use the fraudulent stats coming out of Washington, not that bad. But 57 percent of the public thinks that we're in a recession, and they are right. The economy is tanking, inflation (using real measures) is approaching hyperinflation levels, and the subprime mess is about to freeze up the financial system.
Republicans can start looking for new jobs, no matter who runs against them. That doesn't make this batch of Dems much better, but the public isn't in a mood to quibble.
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Posted by: opusuno on Dec 12, 2007 11:39 AM
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The Democrats are just weak idiots..
They don't seem to see the need to pick someone that can win, and not some media puffed up fake like one of these losers.
I'm not voting.. but Joe Redneck definitely will, and I know it won't be for either of them.
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» RE: Bet the farm: Yeah, you're right. voters would much prefer Rudy or Romney..NOT
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM
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Go to your local Caucas and support Dennis Kucinich! If you are Green or other drop out/register Dem-support K at the Caucas and
then re-Green.And then work on getting young people to vote.
Don't forget to bring friends to the Caucas.
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Posted by: solrev on Dec 12, 2007 12:44 PM
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Posted by: Rune on Dec 12, 2007 1:47 PM
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As most of you know, after steaming full speed ahead into heavily mined waters, a hole was blown through the right side of the ship, where it has been taking on water. Many of you followed suggestions to stand on the left side of the ship to prevent it from listing to the right and to lift the hole out of the water to stop the ship from sinking. I am sure that is working, it just doesn't show because not enough of you have cooperated. So, once again, I implore all of you to take any place you can find on the left and just stand there until everything is OK. That is our only hope.
Now, some of you have mentioned that it doesn't make sense to follow the instructions of a captain and crew that got you into this mess. Others have pointed out that not only has this strategy not worked so far, but that the entire ship is leaning so badly to the right that it has turned sharply in that direction and will soon crash into those rocky cliffs just over yonder. And, finally, more and more of you have considered jumping into the lifeboats, carefully picking your way through the mines and regrouping on shore or safely out to sea to make plans to save yourselves.
Don't do it! You will endanger us all by causing the ship to lean ever more rightward and, besides, its much safer to stay on the sinking ship and see if it somehow stops sinking than to assume it will sink and do what you can to survive that event by abandoning ship. So, I repeat, do not abandon ship by using the lifeboats that were put in place just for moments like this. That is the most important thing.
Trust me, I know what I am doing. Really, I do. Why, despite the unfortunate circumstances I, uh, got us into, I see no reason to suspect I won't get us safely uprighted and sailing smoothly into port. All that is necessary is for all of you to avoid the starboard side of the ship and cluster on the left. Just do that and I am sure the ship will stop sinking, it will be possible to steer again, I'll manage to miss the rest of the mines, and we won't crash into those rocks that are now so close you can hear the waves crashing against them. I really mean that. Trust me!
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Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 12, 2007 3:07 PM
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Posted by: left_libertarian on Dec 12, 2007 3:32 PM
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He’s the only Democratic candidate with the BALLS to call for the criminal Cheney’s impeachment.
He’s the only Democratic candidate who calls for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. No Bull Shit timetables or phased withdrawal.
Yet his polls numbers are low. What gives Democrats?
Do you support Cheney and a continued US presence in Iraq?
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» Talk is cheap. A leader turns words into deeds. Kucinich just goes through the motions.
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» RE: Talk is cheap. A leader turns words into deeds. Kucinich just goes through the motions.
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Posted by: Landbaron on Dec 12, 2007 3:49 PM
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Posted by: Democritus on Dec 12, 2007 4:25 PM
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The fact that they are completely mistaken will not hurt them. What will hurt them is for the Democratic nominee, whoever he or she is, to speak out against the imperialistic state and for our Constitutional principles. The era of "It's the economy, stupid," won't fly anymore. Americans need to be galvanized by a new day dawning--by a return to the principles enunciated by FDR and not the profits of Wall Street. That's what the Democratic nominee has to stress, over and over, against the corporatist, war-mongering minions of the right. Standing up for principle, and not for greed, should be enough to win the day against the most hapless coterie of mangy dogs imaginable that the GOP has trotted out to do battle on behalf of the rich.
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Posted by: Melvin on Dec 12, 2007 6:59 PM
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The GOP is setting them up for a huge fall in Iraq & Afghanistan plus the sub prime mortgage fiasco. Could it be that the Democrats will do so poorly that they will only last one term?
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Posted by: armorypk on Dec 12, 2007 8:45 PM
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» RE: All dems are electable. NONE of the GOP pres. candidates are electable
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Posted by: herbal on Dec 13, 2007 2:33 AM
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Hillary has paid her dues to the corporatists and is biding her time. Does it really make a difference if she is President rather than a Republican? We can hope that the other Democratic candidates can begin to torpedo Hillary instead of coddling her. Hillary's war record needs to be flaunted and no mercy shown. Gravel and Kucinich need to step up to Edwards' qualities in his excellent dissing of Corporations as agents of corruption.
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Posted by: williameon on Dec 13, 2007 5:08 AM
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Everything is controlled by The Reptilians.
They Spew Hypnotic Garbage
24 X 7 X Forever.
What about Georgie's
Veto's and signing statements.
That is the real problem!
The system has been co-oped by special interests.
Billionaires-R-Us
Are you listening B.Gates?
We live in a Corpirate stupid state.
AmeriKo! With a capital K.
Part of some NEO-NAZI-ZIONIST Nightmare.
Where the rich get richer and the poor suffer.
They hate us.
They terrorize, torture and berate us.
Dead Eye Dick, The Shrub, Carly Rove and Rum Dumb are the chosen ones who run the system for the power elite.
Yes the Corpirate Puppet Masters who have us dangling on a string.
The soap opera history is written thirty years into the future.
They write it and rewrite it as they go along.
Bankers who get a % of whatever you do.
They do nothing.
They get a % of everything you do.
For what?
So they can live high on the hog while you live in squaller.
Work tax.
House Tax.
Look where your money is going.
Banks and Pharmacies springing up on every corner.
Limits have to be put on wealth accumulation.
We are headed straight into a whole.
A huge depression.
Because it is so lopsided.
The Shrub will move to Argentina.
And the FAUX MEDIA will
Blame it on The DEMOCRAT'S.
The poor working class.
Yes everything is our fault.
Because we let them do it.
They stick a finger in our face and we let them get away with it.
They are larcenous, lying cowards.
Stupid front man.
We lost WWII!
The FASCISTS won.
Fascist Corpirate Swine have ruined this country and are trying to destroy the world.
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Posted by: tokeke08 on Dec 13, 2007 12:58 PM
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Posted by: Ben Sen on Dec 14, 2007 8:01 AM
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It's incredible that no respondents are pointing it out. Rather, they are using it to pile on. The pretense of some "in depth" analysis is not the same as that analysis when the premise is false. Clearly, it is meant only to appeal to those disposed to discredit Dems regardless of the truth.
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Posted by: dutchs@uwgb.edu on Dec 14, 2007 11:05 AM
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1. You are responsible for your life and your actions.
2. There is no such thing as a right to anything external to yourself.
3. Facts, not procedure, should determine guilt or innocence.
4. Criminals are not victims.
5. Regardless of how bad your life has been, you do not have the right to vent your rage on innocent people.
6. "Consent of the governed" includes granting consent to be taxed. Letting people with money influence how much they pay in taxes isn't corruption. It's how democracy is supposed to work.
I know the Republicans fail miserably at personal morality, but personal failure is a long way from simply abandoning moral principles in general. A soldier falling asleep on guard duty is completely different from not posting guards at all.
I don't vote for President, I vote for the Supreme Court. And I just cannot imagine a Republican bad enough to make me vote for another Warren Court.
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Posted by: brianct on Dec 14, 2007 4:59 PM
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'Little hope for Jews in Putin’s succession plan
by matt siegel
jta
moscow | By uttering a single sentence on national
television this week endorsing Deputy Prime Minister
Dmitry Medvedev for Russia’s next president, President
Vladimir Putin appeared to have decided the race for
president in March.
But the answer to the real question on everyone’s mind
— how Putin will maintain control of the country after
the presidential elections — came the next day when
Medvedev returned the favor and announced that he will
name Putin as prime minister following his anticipated
electoral victory.
Praising “the course of economic and social stability,
the course that avoided civil war, the course of
Putin,” Medvedev asked Putin to stay on after March.
In an instant, the questions the Jewish community had
been asking since Monday — about Medvedev’s
relationship to Israel, his position on Iran and the
potential influence of a Medvedev-controlled Kremlin —
were overshadowed by questions about presidential
succession in Russia.
....
Under the current government, anti-Semitism mostly has
disappeared from the political arena, but groups like
Hamas have been welcomed to Moscow for state visits
Russia shows her independence
If they win, The neocons will just shift allegiances, and business will go on as usual.
Persons like John Conyers have shown that Flip-flopping is a habitual trait of the democrats. On anything remotely progressive, they sooner or later back down.
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Posted by: Lewis3 on Dec 15, 2007 5:43 PM
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Posted by: timemachinist on Dec 15, 2007 6:57 PM
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The differences between the pseudo-parties is about the width of my finger, considering the range of political possibilites that should be debated.
The Democrats are worse than the Republicans because they occupy the position of an opposition/alternative but do not effect it, thus obstructing genuine multiparty democracy.
The Democrats are complicit in everything the Bush Administration has done. They've dutifully funded and approved every war move and police state measure that has ever been proposed in the name of the phony hypocritical "war on terror." Those blaming "Bush-Cheney and all their cronies" --and thus exempting the Dems and implying they will be better-- guarantee the one-party Republicrat Empire will continue its slow train wreck. All with the weird electoral approval of many who speak against the policies but then support the politicians who carry them out.
Last time we had "anyone but Bush," we had Bill Clinton, the guy who continued the genocidal US-led sanctions against Iraq's civilians and whose VP (Gore) threatened the poorest African countries if they dare violate pharmy patents for AIDS drugs. The Democrats are the left hand of the Emperor and you "Bush-haters" who shill for the Dems are just as complicit in the imperial crimes you DO vote for every time you pull a Dem lever.
Welcome to the Empire of a Republicrat auction to the corporate and militarist interests that only know how to wage phony hypocritical wars: war on terror, war on drugs. When will a political movement emerge that actually has a positive vision for a better world instead of hysteria-mongering clampdown agenda?
Vote Schmote. The Republic is dead.
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Posted by: janjop31 on Dec 20, 2007 3:57 PM
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is Dennis Kucinich. He's been written off as unelectable and gets
very little air time!
Hillary isn't prepared to call for Cheney's or Bush's impeachment.
Kucinich has already called for Cheney's impeachment
Hillary isn't prepared to get us out of the Iraq ASAP. Kucinich's
plan depends on us getting out of the middle east ASAP.
Hillary supports Ethanol and Clean Coal as our fuel solution.
Kucinich has plans for rapid descreases in oil, gas and coal use. He doesn't support
Ethanol as a long-term solution and wants to moves us into alternatives fast.
Bill Clinton got the NAFTA WTO thing happening so I doubt Hillary would do
much to end it. Kucinich wants to end NAFTA and WTO.
Hillary wants Universal Health Care. Kucinich wants a not for profit
Universal Medicare Program.
Kucinich wants to push for free public education through college at a time when
college tuition is becoming unaffordable for low and middle income families.
I'm voting for Kucinich in the primaries mainly because I don't feel
that any other candidate represents my position as a Democrat regardless of their electability.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 12, 2007 12:41 AM
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2- I will not donate one thin dime or a minute of my time to any Democrat in any race.
3- I will sit at home and look for overseas employment on election day and watch the Repugnicans take another election.
I'm quite sure I am not alone. I categorically am ready to say that I am as sick and tired of DINOs (Democrats In Name Only), Blue Dog Democrats, DLC Democrats and others that are willing to vacillate, equivocate, triangulate, compromise, sell-out and generally screw over the vast majority of Americans and our nation's future in order to cling to power, position and career.
BushCo couldn't have done a fraction of what he has accomplished without enabling Democrats. Put up a slate of real progressives or I am through with the party. Enough is enough.
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» What are you smoking??? WE did elect dems to the congress....
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» You never tire in your rethug promotion of ron paul do you pepper?
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» Hey boz, did pepper teach you to capitalise a lot of words?
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» Nader has been vindicated
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» Where pepper is, cuknown is sure to be coming along! Are you two joined at the hip?
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» RE: Where pepper is, cuknown is sure to be coming along! Are you two joined at the hip?
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» Leftout, did pepper teach you to say hitlery? Or did you you just make it up all by yourself?
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» How anyone could vote for her in the primary is BEYOND me!
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» BTW - I will be voting Green if she gets the nomination
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» RE: BTW - Research-ignore the bashing and bias-
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» Talk about cutting off your nose
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» nopc, so you would like to see another four years of rethugs because? You probably are a rethug.
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» RE: If Hillary Gets The Democratic Nomination-WE will win!!
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Posted by: vox persona on Dec 12, 2007 1:21 AM
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» They aren't mentioned because they ARE an alternative to the corporate agenda. nm
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» Edwards can win the Nascar vote and a few Republican moderates as well
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» It IS strange
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» correction
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» RE: It IS strange
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» Lauren, there are a lot of these rethug trolls here today. Of course most of them are pepper/prohit.
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Posted by: rocketman on Dec 12, 2007 2:51 AM
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On paper the repubs field a much stronger team of candidates. Security, religion, values etc speeches make the democrats seem opposed to these issues - which America is definitely for.
But I still say, the one that comes up strong in the helath care department combined with a bit of rationality has my vote and I'm sure the vote of most of Americans! Could that be Obama? Thats the sell job!
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» there you go, saying what this article is pointing out.....
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» Gee pepper, you didn't include your boy ron paul as a choice?
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Posted by: Louisa on Dec 12, 2007 4:11 AM
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Impeachment is off the table? Fuck her!
It's all been empty rhetoric on the one hand and backroom deals in the other.
Golden parachutes for all!
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 12, 2007 4:21 AM
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All the values rhetoric is meaningless coming from these folks anyway. The values of a country are cultural, and aren't going to be changed in 4 or 8 years by a president babbling on about them.
I suppose the point of the article is that Americans would rather hear glittering generalities about values than nuts and bolts, and that's how you win elections. In that case, it's too bad, and it goes back to the idea that Americans get the politicians they deserve.
Of course, Democrats, including Hillary, are no strangers to selling out in attempts to win elections, so as a practical matter, maybe they should pay attention to this article.
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» Those who would trade liberty for a little security deserve &......
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» RE: Tell that to all the people in jail for consensual crimes, felons have trouble getting jobs
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» Salesman vs. Statesman
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 12, 2007 4:28 AM
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That's Much more like it. Here I go again but the question is just screaming to be posed: Why do you think The big drug companies and Rupert Murdoch have been funding Hillary Clinton's campaign? Here are the only two possible answers to that question:
1. They know she can't possibly win next year and they're determined that she be the Democratic nominee.
2. They have her in their pocket.
It's either number one or number two or (even worse) both. The Democratcs need to nominate someone who will energize its very fed up base. Is Hillary the one who will do that? The Queen of the focus groups? Are you kidding me?
Every recent poll has John Edwards killing any potential GOP rival next year. The reason the corporate media isn't reporting this fact is because they don't want registered Democrats to know about it. They are also determined that she be the standard bearer next year.
If the Democrats foolishly nominate Mrs. Clinton in 2008, they'll deserve every thing that happens to them. Not since 1932 have they ever had a better chance at reclaiming the White House and yet they seem hell bent on blowing it.
I need an asprin.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Spin, Smoke and Mirrors
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» I think you have a winning ticket there and agree with you.
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» They have her in their pocket
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Posted by: warrior woman on Dec 12, 2007 4:34 AM
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Don't think of them as reacting or doing as you would. This contemplates that they are acting w/ morals and convictions such as we might have. They are not. Either of their purposes is different from the vast majority of citizens in this country.
What we need to do is try to think as they do in order to thwart their actions.
The media is treating us as though we are sheep, and to date, we have been. Any time that we react to their messages as fact, such as Hillary or Guiliani being front runners, we act as though what they say in that instance is fact. B.S!
If we know that they are not telling us the truth most of the time, what makes anyone think that the polls are correct?
Think of this. If Kucinich or Edwards were elected, they would be a threat to corporations. What would the media then need to do? Paint them as lower tier candidates, unelectable, a little off center, any number of imaginable characterizations. In doing so, they are afforded less donations and eventually the campaigns cave. Is this what we want? I don’t.
Hillary is the old Republican. Huckabee is an evangelical, need I say more?
Blogs and bloggers need to think out of the old box and create their own message. Don’t harp on the big media messages. STOP! IGNORE THEM! We need CHANGE! It must happen in the next election. We are either going to create our own message by doing or we will talk our way through the same old thing as big media is expecting and has led us to do and that means either Hillary or likely Huckabee, not Guiliani. More war, high oil prices, the environment speeding to who knows what, Christian “ethics” in the courts and government, jobs gone and life as we know it substantially less. And that is an understatement.
Don’t follow. LEAD!
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Posted by: exoz350 on Dec 12, 2007 4:49 AM
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Posted by: Hovey on Dec 12, 2007 5:28 AM
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Oh wait this is the democratic party they are not thinking that far ahead. Never Mind!
If the Dems put a common farm cow up for President, its got my vote over a Republican. Staying home will only make matters worse.
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Posted by: Farasien on Dec 12, 2007 5:37 AM
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Unfortunately, I doubt we're ever going to see any of that happen. The call of lobby dollars is simply too strong of a temptation to pass up, and the american people have become too spineless, comfortable and fat to mobilize against it in any meaningful way. It seems to me there was an empire sometime in the past that went down this way... somewhere in Italy, if memory serves. Maybe we should look into that... when we're not watching American Idol...
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 12, 2007 6:11 AM
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A. The GOP aka The Big Bad Wolf
B. The Democrats aka The Big Bad Wolf in Sheep's clothing
Now you tell me which choice people will go for when they sick and tired of back stabbing bastards giving empty promises before the election and then going the other way once in office.
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» Follow the benefit. Who benefits if progressives boycott the election!
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» RE: Oh for God's sake, the reason Democrats are going to lose is simple !
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Posted by: Johanna Moren on Dec 12, 2007 6:37 AM
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Why don't they ask the question..."How do we feel when we see our leaders of both America and Europe get together for their unending meetings about a peace they have no intentions of giving the world. Peace isn't profitable.
They have to be protected by thousands of police and soldiers and security guards to keep them safe, not from enemies but from their own people. People who only want to tell them that they are not happy with what they are doing, in their name."
When you see fences being built six feet high with barbed wire on top. That is not to keep out terrorists, no, no, no. But the people.
They better take notice, because one day they are going to get enough courage to storm the barricades, they have done it before.
Millions went out on the streets against this dreadful war in Irak. Do they really believe we have forgotten???
The backlash is, we have no faith in them anymore.
Somebody had better come up with a bit of idealism or brotherly love, or our societies are going to rot from within, it is already happening. All Empires fall from within.
Keep the picture in your mind of those thousands of police, soldiers, security guards,walls with barbed wire.
Those pictures tell a story that isn't very nice to hear. Leaders beware!!!
Johanna Moren.
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Posted by: Moore Hognutz on Dec 12, 2007 6:43 AM
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I would like to see these leaders of ours cut to pieces by laughing Chiricahua second graders armed with dull knives and sarcasm. But we, the people, have not earned the right to see that pleasant moment, nor will we.
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Posted by: newmoonnaturals on Dec 12, 2007 6:53 AM
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» I agree, in fact, instead of complaining, get out to the caucuses....
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Dec 12, 2007 6:59 AM
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Unfortunately, it seems that's exactly what they're trying to do.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Dec 12, 2007 7:01 AM
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Pelosi threw away the most powerful weapon she held when she took impeachment off the table. One thing the Republicans have is the strength of their convictions and the will to power. If Democrats really believed what they say they do—that the power is with the people—they'd quit entrusting the future to pollsters who measure whimsy when what people crave is conviction and courage.
You won't get that with Hillary, and, frankly, this is no time to quibble about the best health insurance plan. If we attack Iran or there's another terrorist strike, we're toast.
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Posted by: Azraelsjudgement on Dec 12, 2007 7:37 AM
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Only the "fringe" candidates such as Paul, Kucinich, Gravel and a few scattered here and there actually believe in following their own principles, which is why they are labeled as fringe because they make no sense to the MSM and status quo. These are the types of people that need to be voted in.
Maybe in fact we need to throw out party politics in general.
I think it is insane that the more corrupt the federal government gets the more power people want to give it over us with things like Universal healthcare. It makes so sense. We need to reduce the power and money that goes to government and give it back to ourselves.
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Posted by: Dianka on Dec 12, 2007 7:51 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Dec 12, 2007 8:11 AM
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If the Democratic base is going to get their way in any way EVER again they are going to have to unify behind a candidate who is not Hillary. Hillary would/will lose to the Republican nominee in the general election. (And EVERY Republican nominee, besides possibly Paul, is MUCH WORSE than even Bush.)
I don't care if the anti-Hillary Dems unite behind Kucinich or Obama or Edwards or whomever. But they are going to need to unite behind SOMEONE NOW. Or else!
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Dec 12, 2007 8:14 AM
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Americans voted for Democrats in 2006, in the hope they would stop the war on America as well as the Iraq war. To stop the corporate welfare, stop the pillaging, stop the torture, stop the corruption....
Instead, the Democrats too betrayed America and did... nothing.
I will vote Ron Paul in the primaries, and tout Kucinich as an honorable alternative. I will vote for Paul or Kucinich should they, by some miracle, become our candidates.
Otherwise, I won't support the "two" parties that operate exactly the same. I'll vote for an honorable third party candidate, and work to build grassroots alternatives, whether in or out of the two older parties.
But I'm not going to vote for the people who so savagely betrayed America, whatever party they happen to have aligned their lust for power with.
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Dec 12, 2007 8:44 AM
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Its not going to be pretty and the answer is wind, solar and nuclear in that order, but it still means no cars and no energy for the masses. My advice, build an earth home buy wind if you have #3 wind and solar if you don't. Learn to live without oil and electricity and plant a garden with knowledge of how to store seeds, ya you could trap animals but they'll be the first to get wiped out when people are starving. just remember if it wasn't for peak oil we would have outrun our resources to the point of collapse atleast this way the planet can start to heal.
good luck, this is my optimistic view of the future because more than likely resource wars and more false flags to take away our rites will be the norm. we will likely become a police state using propaganda and prisons to control the masses, its worked well so far, (WT7, need I say more).
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» That is why we need to vote for Kucinich.
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Posted by: willymack on Dec 12, 2007 8:53 AM
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Posted by: TarryFaster on Dec 12, 2007 9:11 AM
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Posted by: Flora Gael on Dec 12, 2007 10:30 AM
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You make me sick, truly. You have no claims to any legitimacy when you cavalierly overlook TRUE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES.
Dennis Kucinich represents a break from the mainstream Democrats and is garnering lots and lots and lots of support - no thanks to you, of course, you who claim to be so progressive and then toe the mainstream Democrat line.
www.kucinich.us
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Dec 12, 2007 10:34 AM
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Virtually every Presidential election since 1912 has correlated to one factor: the increase in personal income. If it was below 4.5 percent, the party in power was voted out.
There was only one exception, and that was the election of 2000 where our idiot-in-chief lost the popular vote but the Republicans on the Supreme Court gave it to him anyway.
How is personal income doing? If you use the fraudulent stats coming out of Washington, not that bad. But 57 percent of the public thinks that we're in a recession, and they are right. The economy is tanking, inflation (using real measures) is approaching hyperinflation levels, and the subprime mess is about to freeze up the financial system.
Republicans can start looking for new jobs, no matter who runs against them. That doesn't make this batch of Dems much better, but the public isn't in a mood to quibble.
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Posted by: opusuno on Dec 12, 2007 11:39 AM
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The Democrats are just weak idiots..
They don't seem to see the need to pick someone that can win, and not some media puffed up fake like one of these losers.
I'm not voting.. but Joe Redneck definitely will, and I know it won't be for either of them.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM
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Go to your local Caucas and support Dennis Kucinich! If you are Green or other drop out/register Dem-support K at the Caucas and
then re-Green.And then work on getting young people to vote.
Don't forget to bring friends to the Caucas.
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Posted by: solrev on Dec 12, 2007 12:44 PM
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Posted by: Rune on Dec 12, 2007 1:47 PM
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As most of you know, after steaming full speed ahead into heavily mined waters, a hole was blown through the right side of the ship, where it has been taking on water. Many of you followed suggestions to stand on the left side of the ship to prevent it from listing to the right and to lift the hole out of the water to stop the ship from sinking. I am sure that is working, it just doesn't show because not enough of you have cooperated. So, once again, I implore all of you to take any place you can find on the left and just stand there until everything is OK. That is our only hope.
Now, some of you have mentioned that it doesn't make sense to follow the instructions of a captain and crew that got you into this mess. Others have pointed out that not only has this strategy not worked so far, but that the entire ship is leaning so badly to the right that it has turned sharply in that direction and will soon crash into those rocky cliffs just over yonder. And, finally, more and more of you have considered jumping into the lifeboats, carefully picking your way through the mines and regrouping on shore or safely out to sea to make plans to save yourselves.
Don't do it! You will endanger us all by causing the ship to lean ever more rightward and, besides, its much safer to stay on the sinking ship and see if it somehow stops sinking than to assume it will sink and do what you can to survive that event by abandoning ship. So, I repeat, do not abandon ship by using the lifeboats that were put in place just for moments like this. That is the most important thing.
Trust me, I know what I am doing. Really, I do. Why, despite the unfortunate circumstances I, uh, got us into, I see no reason to suspect I won't get us safely uprighted and sailing smoothly into port. All that is necessary is for all of you to avoid the starboard side of the ship and cluster on the left. Just do that and I am sure the ship will stop sinking, it will be possible to steer again, I'll manage to miss the rest of the mines, and we won't crash into those rocks that are now so close you can hear the waves crashing against them. I really mean that. Trust me!
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Posted by: left_libertarian on Dec 12, 2007 3:32 PM
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He’s the only Democratic candidate with the BALLS to call for the criminal Cheney’s impeachment.
He’s the only Democratic candidate who calls for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. No Bull Shit timetables or phased withdrawal.
Yet his polls numbers are low. What gives Democrats?
Do you support Cheney and a continued US presence in Iraq?
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» Talk is cheap. A leader turns words into deeds. Kucinich just goes through the motions.
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Posted by: Landbaron on Dec 12, 2007 3:49 PM
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Posted by: Democritus on Dec 12, 2007 4:25 PM
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The fact that they are completely mistaken will not hurt them. What will hurt them is for the Democratic nominee, whoever he or she is, to speak out against the imperialistic state and for our Constitutional principles. The era of "It's the economy, stupid," won't fly anymore. Americans need to be galvanized by a new day dawning--by a return to the principles enunciated by FDR and not the profits of Wall Street. That's what the Democratic nominee has to stress, over and over, against the corporatist, war-mongering minions of the right. Standing up for principle, and not for greed, should be enough to win the day against the most hapless coterie of mangy dogs imaginable that the GOP has trotted out to do battle on behalf of the rich.
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Posted by: Melvin on Dec 12, 2007 6:59 PM
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The GOP is setting them up for a huge fall in Iraq & Afghanistan plus the sub prime mortgage fiasco. Could it be that the Democrats will do so poorly that they will only last one term?
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Posted by: herbal on Dec 13, 2007 2:33 AM
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Hillary has paid her dues to the corporatists and is biding her time. Does it really make a difference if she is President rather than a Republican? We can hope that the other Democratic candidates can begin to torpedo Hillary instead of coddling her. Hillary's war record needs to be flaunted and no mercy shown. Gravel and Kucinich need to step up to Edwards' qualities in his excellent dissing of Corporations as agents of corruption.
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Posted by: williameon on Dec 13, 2007 5:08 AM
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Everything is controlled by The Reptilians.
They Spew Hypnotic Garbage
24 X 7 X Forever.
What about Georgie's
Veto's and signing statements.
That is the real problem!
The system has been co-oped by special interests.
Billionaires-R-Us
Are you listening B.Gates?
We live in a Corpirate stupid state.
AmeriKo! With a capital K.
Part of some NEO-NAZI-ZIONIST Nightmare.
Where the rich get richer and the poor suffer.
They hate us.
They terrorize, torture and berate us.
Dead Eye Dick, The Shrub, Carly Rove and Rum Dumb are the chosen ones who run the system for the power elite.
Yes the Corpirate Puppet Masters who have us dangling on a string.
The soap opera history is written thirty years into the future.
They write it and rewrite it as they go along.
Bankers who get a % of whatever you do.
They do nothing.
They get a % of everything you do.
For what?
So they can live high on the hog while you live in squaller.
Work tax.
House Tax.
Look where your money is going.
Banks and Pharmacies springing up on every corner.
Limits have to be put on wealth accumulation.
We are headed straight into a whole.
A huge depression.
Because it is so lopsided.
The Shrub will move to Argentina.
And the FAUX MEDIA will
Blame it on The DEMOCRAT'S.
The poor working class.
Yes everything is our fault.
Because we let them do it.
They stick a finger in our face and we let them get away with it.
They are larcenous, lying cowards.
Stupid front man.
We lost WWII!
The FASCISTS won.
Fascist Corpirate Swine have ruined this country and are trying to destroy the world.
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Posted by: tokeke08 on Dec 13, 2007 12:58 PM
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Posted by: Ben Sen on Dec 14, 2007 8:01 AM
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It's incredible that no respondents are pointing it out. Rather, they are using it to pile on. The pretense of some "in depth" analysis is not the same as that analysis when the premise is false. Clearly, it is meant only to appeal to those disposed to discredit Dems regardless of the truth.
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Posted by: dutchs@uwgb.edu on Dec 14, 2007 11:05 AM
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1. You are responsible for your life and your actions.
2. There is no such thing as a right to anything external to yourself.
3. Facts, not procedure, should determine guilt or innocence.
4. Criminals are not victims.
5. Regardless of how bad your life has been, you do not have the right to vent your rage on innocent people.
6. "Consent of the governed" includes granting consent to be taxed. Letting people with money influence how much they pay in taxes isn't corruption. It's how democracy is supposed to work.
I know the Republicans fail miserably at personal morality, but personal failure is a long way from simply abandoning moral principles in general. A soldier falling asleep on guard duty is completely different from not posting guards at all.
I don't vote for President, I vote for the Supreme Court. And I just cannot imagine a Republican bad enough to make me vote for another Warren Court.
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Posted by: brianct on Dec 14, 2007 4:59 PM
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'Little hope for Jews in Putin’s succession plan
by matt siegel
jta
moscow | By uttering a single sentence on national
television this week endorsing Deputy Prime Minister
Dmitry Medvedev for Russia’s next president, President
Vladimir Putin appeared to have decided the race for
president in March.
But the answer to the real question on everyone’s mind
— how Putin will maintain control of the country after
the presidential elections — came the next day when
Medvedev returned the favor and announced that he will
name Putin as prime minister following his anticipated
electoral victory.
Praising “the course of economic and social stability,
the course that avoided civil war, the course of
Putin,” Medvedev asked Putin to stay on after March.
In an instant, the questions the Jewish community had
been asking since Monday — about Medvedev’s
relationship to Israel, his position on Iran and the
potential influence of a Medvedev-controlled Kremlin —
were overshadowed by questions about presidential
succession in Russia.
....
Under the current government, anti-Semitism mostly has
disappeared from the political arena, but groups like
Hamas have been welcomed to Moscow for state visits
Russia shows her independence
If they win, The neocons will just shift allegiances, and business will go on as usual.
Persons like John Conyers have shown that Flip-flopping is a habitual trait of the democrats. On anything remotely progressive, they sooner or later back down.
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» RE: Hillary should and probably will win
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Posted by: Lewis3 on Dec 15, 2007 5:43 PM
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Posted by: timemachinist on Dec 15, 2007 6:57 PM
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The differences between the pseudo-parties is about the width of my finger, considering the range of political possibilites that should be debated.
The Democrats are worse than the Republicans because they occupy the position of an opposition/alternative but do not effect it, thus obstructing genuine multiparty democracy.
The Democrats are complicit in everything the Bush Administration has done. They've dutifully funded and approved every war move and police state measure that has ever been proposed in the name of the phony hypocritical "war on terror." Those blaming "Bush-Cheney and all their cronies" --and thus exempting the Dems and implying they will be better-- guarantee the one-party Republicrat Empire will continue its slow train wreck. All with the weird electoral approval of many who speak against the policies but then support the politicians who carry them out.
Last time we had "anyone but Bush," we had Bill Clinton, the guy who continued the genocidal US-led sanctions against Iraq's civilians and whose VP (Gore) threatened the poorest African countries if they dare violate pharmy patents for AIDS drugs. The Democrats are the left hand of the Emperor and you "Bush-haters" who shill for the Dems are just as complicit in the imperial crimes you DO vote for every time you pull a Dem lever.
Welcome to the Empire of a Republicrat auction to the corporate and militarist interests that only know how to wage phony hypocritical wars: war on terror, war on drugs. When will a political movement emerge that actually has a positive vision for a better world instead of hysteria-mongering clampdown agenda?
Vote Schmote. The Republic is dead.
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Posted by: janjop31 on Dec 20, 2007 3:57 PM
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is Dennis Kucinich. He's been written off as unelectable and gets
very little air time!
Hillary isn't prepared to call for Cheney's or Bush's impeachment.
Kucinich has already called for Cheney's impeachment
Hillary isn't prepared to get us out of the Iraq ASAP. Kucinich's
plan depends on us getting out of the middle east ASAP.
Hillary supports Ethanol and Clean Coal as our fuel solution.
Kucinich has plans for rapid descreases in oil, gas and coal use. He doesn't support
Ethanol as a long-term solution and wants to moves us into alternatives fast.
Bill Clinton got the NAFTA WTO thing happening so I doubt Hillary would do
much to end it. Kucinich wants to end NAFTA and WTO.
Hillary wants Universal Health Care. Kucinich wants a not for profit
Universal Medicare Program.
Kucinich wants to push for free public education through college at a time when
college tuition is becoming unaffordable for low and middle income families.
I'm voting for Kucinich in the primaries mainly because I don't feel
that any other candidate represents my position as a Democrat regardless of their electability.
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