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Lou Dobbs Spreads Vile Misinformation about Immigrants
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CNN's Lou Dobbs has migrated to a pre-eminent position in the debate on immigration in the U.S. Since he identifies himself as a journalist, he has a special responsibility to rely on facts and to correct misstatements of fact. CNN, which purports to be a news organization, touting itself as the "Most Trusted Name in News," has an equally strong obligation to its audience to tell the truth.
Dobbs was best known for anchoring CNN's "Moneyline," an early and influential program that helped create the televised financial-news genre. On "Moneyline," Dobbs featured corporate CEOs and generally lauded them.
About five years ago, Dobbs began changing his line, invoking populist rhetoric and championing the cause of the middle class. He thematically titled his coverage "War on the Middle Class" and "Broken Borders." Dobbs' signature issue of undocumented immigrants, or, as he calls them, illegal aliens, has tremendous influence on the debate nationally. So it matters if he is wrong.
On March 28, 2006, Dobbs said on his show, "And it's costing us, no one knows precisely how much, to incarcerate what is about a third of our prison population who are illegal aliens." As it turns out, the number of noncitizens incarcerated in the U.S. federal and state prisons is closer to 6 percent, not 33 percent. Note that the 6 percent includes legal immigrants as well.
On April 14, 2005, Lou Dobbs opened his show by saying: "The invasion of illegal aliens is threatening the health of many Americans. Highly contagious diseases are now crossing our borders decades after those diseases had been eradicated in this country."
CNN correspondent Christine Romans filed a report, then told Dobbs, "There have been 7,000 [cases of leprosy] in the past three years." CBS' "60 Minutes" later challenged the fact, pointing out that there had actually been 7,029 cases reported over 30 years. When Lesley Stahl confronted Dobbs on the statistic, he defended it, saying: "Well, I can tell you this. If we reported it, it's a fact."
Dobbs' reporter, Romans, said her source was "Dr. Madeleine Cosman, a respected medical lawyer and medical historian." Cosman, who died in March 2006, was a medical lawyer and staunch anti-immigrant activist. She was recorded saying publicly of Mexican men: "Recognize that most of these bastards molest girls under age 12, some as young as age 5, others aged 3, although, of course, some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, some are exceedingly versatile and rape little girls aged 11 and women up to age 79."
After I played the tape of Cosman for Dobbs, he conceded to me that his reporter's source, Cosman, was a "whack job."
On May 23, 2006, Dobbs aired a report on a state visit by Mexican President Vicente Fox. His correspondent, Casey Wian, called it a "Mexican military incursion" and displayed a map of the U.S. with the seven Southwest states highlighted as "Aztlan," which, Wian reported, "some militant Latino activists ... claim rightfully belongs to Mexico."
The graphic came from the Council of Conservative Citizens, which the Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that tracks hate groups, points out is the current incarnation of the old White Citizen Councils of the 1950s and 1960s, which Thurgood Marshall referred to as "the uptown Klan."
The SPLC has reported that several of Dobbs' guests and sources have had links to the CCC, such as Joe McCutchen of Protect Arkansas Now, part of the Minuteman vigilante movement, and Barbara Coe of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform. Another guest, Glenn Spencer, head of the anti-immigrant group American Patrol, speaks on the white-supremacist circuit. When CNN's Wolf Blitzer had Spencer on, he told his audience that the SPLC had designated American Patrol as a hate group. When Dobbs had him on, he never identified the connection.
In our conversation with Dobbs, "Democracy Now!" co-host Juan Gonzalez raised the issue of history, of how immigrants have been scapegoated: the Irish in the 1860s, the Chinese in the 1880s and, later, Southern Europeans. Dobbs rolled his eyes, saying, "Are you holding me responsible?"
No, and Dobbs knows better. But he must be held responsible for not bringing a historical context to this crucial discussion of immigration reform. The immigration issue will not be solved by vilifying a population. The SPLC has just released a report on the upsurge in anti-immigrant, anti-Latino violence in the U.S.
United Stations Radio Networks has just announced that Dobbs will soon be hosting a three-hour daily talk radio show. The Web site claims, "It's not about what's right and left ... it's about what's right and wrong." Let's hope that Lou Dobbs follows his own advice.
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Posted by: wmb1957 on Dec 5, 2007 11:00 AM
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Democracy Now apparently stands for control of speech, more then free speech. Control of those that would offer the dissenting view. If this is what democracy has become, I want no part of it. Remember the concept, I may not agree with you, but I will support your right? Where did that idea of free speech go?
Amy Goodman should be so critical of her own shows. A recent show had a guest from Southern Poverty Law Center on along with Lou Dobbs. While criticizing Lou Dobbs, Amy failed to note that SPLC has the actions of the two border partrol agents Ramos and Compean as an example of a hate crime.
Ramos and Compen shot a Mexican native transporting large quanities of illicit drugs into the U.S. They were convicted of crimes regarding the shooting and given prison terms. Members of both sides of the aisle in Congress has asked Bush to pardon them. A court has said the case went to far. Yet SPLC blames the out cry against the injustice on "right wing misinformation campaign".
The case is available on the internet, and most readers find it a miscarrige of justice rather then a 'hate crime'. Most do not take the time to read it.
Further cases of SPLC's unjustified labeling exist.
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Posted by: mbeing on Dec 6, 2007 10:35 AM
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Ms. Goodman's criticism of Lou Dobbs, a centrist, hallmarks her contrived and extreme point of view. Lou Dobbs did an excellent job clearing up any misgivings about leprosy in the US as related to illegal immigrants which was unnoticed by Ms. Goodman. He is a lone voice, except for Keith Obermann, who has warned Americans about the illegal invasion by latinos, Chinese, terrorist groups and the corruption of our elected officials. If Ms. Goodman was truly informed, she would see that her attack on Lou Dobbs, and other true patriots, is squash by reviewing the film "Immigration by Numbers" which is non-partisan. I am no longer a liberal... I am an American who is a freedom fighter for the protection of our Constitution and restoration of our Republic. Lou Dobbs is creating controvery because he tells the truth. Ms. Goodman creates controversy by distorting the motives and actions of Lou Dobbs. Good riddance to the unpatriotic naysayers like Amy Goodman. It is time to stand up the political pundits on both sides of the argument. It is time to stand up for America.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Dec 7, 2007 11:19 AM
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People who cross the Mexican border illegally largely have nothing keeping them in Mexico or whatever their home country is.
Doctors, lawyers, and other college educated professionals don't enter the country illegally.
Poor people with absolutely nothing are the ones who enter this country illegally.
We have lots of talk about how America has the best and brightest people in the world and that that should be our goal.
How is letting illegal immigrants into the country helping that?
For every illegal immigrant that enters our country there are 10 others in Central and South America who are just as poor and uneducated.
Perhaps if we focused our efforts on helping to build those countries up rather than bully their leaders to support our IMF policies so we can exploit differences in currency and gain access to cheap labor we wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.
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Posted by: RobNLA on Dec 7, 2007 4:41 PM
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NAFTA actually has led to the bulk of the jobs lost. Due to NAFTA, corporations have been given the green light to close down shops in the US and move them to other countries. That way, they can exploit cheap labor in foreign countries and make bigger profits as a result.
But the conservative agenda seeks to obscure this issue by placing the blame elsewhere.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 7, 2007 11:13 PM
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That's the official U.S. government term. You would rather he use a phrase that leans one way or another, perhaps?
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Posted by: janey99 on Dec 8, 2007 3:32 PM
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The truth is most illegal immigrants have plenty of documents all of them fake, so to refer to them as undocumented is a misnomer. Illegal immigrant is the proper term, they are in this country illegally using false documents. Perhaps Amy would prefer to refer to them as Illegal falsified doucmented aliens, since she is so motivated to speak the truth.
I actually listen to Amy Goodman daily and she makes some valid points in some areas and she does cover material that never finds its way into the mainstream press. However she is way off the mark when it comes to illegal immigration and the problems it poses for the United States. She should focus her efforts on the Mexican government and its failure to provide an economy that can support its own citizens as well as the Catholic churches exuberance in procreating its way to dominance of the planet irregardless of finite resources.
Wake up Amy and watch your country wither and die under the trampling footsteps from the south that pluck the low hanging fruit from our generous economy and then send it southward to be used to prop up an oligarchy on our southern border while their labor is used to build an oligarchy in this nation.
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Posted by: melindyrose on Dec 9, 2007 7:59 AM
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wasp americans, poor white or not, are easily brainwashable and the kids are on i-pods to escape this thought police.
We deserve better, let's throw the bums out before another karl rove coups de etat in 08.
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Posted by: BenjamminH on Dec 10, 2007 12:21 PM
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There are many people to blame for this "problem" (the immigrants themselves, corporate America, NAFTA, CAFTA, etc, corrupt Latin American governments)
The point is that the workers themselves are the ones who end up being scapegoated. What about the companies who hire illegals? See the current issue of Mental Floss magazine: numbers of illegals are up, enforcement budgets are up, but fines levied on companies are down. Please note the difference between multimillion dollar coroporations that can afford background checks and small farmers who rely on itinerant labor.
Also, what exactly would "strengthening the borders" mean? It's a term used to give polticos and pundits cover. It's meaningless. No wall, no bloated enforcement budget will stop the flow. And don't give me this crap about stopping the incentives. As one of my students put it: If we do that, there'll be nothing left for ANY OF US.
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Posted by: darkhorse on Dec 10, 2007 9:32 PM
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Aztlan is an imaginary idea promoted by many hispanic groups and is used to justify anti-American sentiments. Goodman should have at least the integrity to cite the origins of this myth and not use it in an attempt to wrongly malign groups who report on it.
I encourage anyone to google it and see for themselves.
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Posted by: brianon on Dec 11, 2007 6:03 PM
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Posted by: brauerdave on Dec 12, 2007 4:12 PM
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So why are you calling them “undocumented immigrants”?
Some of Lou’s facts maybe questionable but it is clear that with illegal aliens here there are certain FACTS which are accurate.
You cannot BE a country (i.e., the USA) if you don’t have boarders.
You cannot have laws in your country if you don’t control your boarders.
You cannot control immigration without first controlling the boarders.
Illegal entry into our country is a slap in the face to all Americans.
The illegal aliens have made it very difficult to obtain emergency medical services by citizens because of the vast number of non-citizens seeking free services. Tax paying citizens (and tax paying non-citizens) end up paying for the services along with other (paying) users of the hospital (in which the ER is located).
With additional children of illegal aliens our school districts must hire more teachers, etc. to teach and feed those without resources. The money comes from residents property taxes and from US tax payers and could be lowered or increase the pay of fewer teachers.
Wages of the unskilled/uneducated are lower and effectively lower the wages of more skilled workers.
Although unemployment is low, it is not clear that it is because everyone is happy with their employment or that some have just given up on finding work.
The economic rules/laws work. With more workers than jobs, wages go down. With higher wages then employers are willing to pay, they seek other means to make profit (find individuals who are willing to willing to work for less or use technology to automate the process).
We cannot completely stop illegal aliens from finding ways to enter the US, but we can slow them down a great deal.
Crime from illegal aliens is up.
I believe Lou Dobbs agrees with these facts. If you do, it would be great to know.
Dave B.
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Posted by: sheena2u on Dec 12, 2007 11:50 PM
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If anyone has suggestions as to how we can boycott his show, his sponsors, or tell his station how offensive he is, I would like to hear about it.
He continually spoke over Amy and Juan, cut them off, mocked them and was a conceited bully. Lou Dobbs was shockingly condescending toward Mexican people and toward his hosts. He is a low down, fat ass dog.
Amy and Juan continue, on the other hand, to bring us a thought-provoking and in-depth version of the news. They are the best, and deserve everyone's support. You go Amy and Juan!
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Posted by: olaamigo on Dec 16, 2007 2:45 PM
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If Dobb's reports on illegal immigration, he's required to point out that previous immigrants have been mistreated?
Context goes both ways. When Amy Goodman reports on, for example, the Swift meat-packing raids, she should point out that many immigrants are residing in this country illegally and they diminish the bargaining power of the existing labor pool, allowing big business to create working environments not seen since The Jungle. Or when she reports on crimes against immigrants, she must be required to report on crimes by illegal immigrants. Perhaps Amy is upbraiding Dobb's for journalistic standards she doesn't adhere to herself?
(By the way, Dobb's reports pertain to economic issues important to the lower and middle economic classes, something that used to be important to the American left.)
Is it not condescending to assume the American people are so ignorant of history that they are unaware of the resistance that, say, the Irish experienced when they immigrated? I am well aware of it, but I'm still concerned about the impact of illegal immigration.
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Posted by: wmb1957 on Dec 5, 2007 11:00 AM
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Democracy Now apparently stands for control of speech, more then free speech. Control of those that would offer the dissenting view. If this is what democracy has become, I want no part of it. Remember the concept, I may not agree with you, but I will support your right? Where did that idea of free speech go?
Amy Goodman should be so critical of her own shows. A recent show had a guest from Southern Poverty Law Center on along with Lou Dobbs. While criticizing Lou Dobbs, Amy failed to note that SPLC has the actions of the two border partrol agents Ramos and Compean as an example of a hate crime.
Ramos and Compen shot a Mexican native transporting large quanities of illicit drugs into the U.S. They were convicted of crimes regarding the shooting and given prison terms. Members of both sides of the aisle in Congress has asked Bush to pardon them. A court has said the case went to far. Yet SPLC blames the out cry against the injustice on "right wing misinformation campaign".
The case is available on the internet, and most readers find it a miscarrige of justice rather then a 'hate crime'. Most do not take the time to read it.
Further cases of SPLC's unjustified labeling exist.
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Posted by: mbeing on Dec 6, 2007 10:35 AM
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Ms. Goodman's criticism of Lou Dobbs, a centrist, hallmarks her contrived and extreme point of view. Lou Dobbs did an excellent job clearing up any misgivings about leprosy in the US as related to illegal immigrants which was unnoticed by Ms. Goodman. He is a lone voice, except for Keith Obermann, who has warned Americans about the illegal invasion by latinos, Chinese, terrorist groups and the corruption of our elected officials. If Ms. Goodman was truly informed, she would see that her attack on Lou Dobbs, and other true patriots, is squash by reviewing the film "Immigration by Numbers" which is non-partisan. I am no longer a liberal... I am an American who is a freedom fighter for the protection of our Constitution and restoration of our Republic. Lou Dobbs is creating controvery because he tells the truth. Ms. Goodman creates controversy by distorting the motives and actions of Lou Dobbs. Good riddance to the unpatriotic naysayers like Amy Goodman. It is time to stand up the political pundits on both sides of the argument. It is time to stand up for America.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Dec 7, 2007 11:19 AM
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People who cross the Mexican border illegally largely have nothing keeping them in Mexico or whatever their home country is.
Doctors, lawyers, and other college educated professionals don't enter the country illegally.
Poor people with absolutely nothing are the ones who enter this country illegally.
We have lots of talk about how America has the best and brightest people in the world and that that should be our goal.
How is letting illegal immigrants into the country helping that?
For every illegal immigrant that enters our country there are 10 others in Central and South America who are just as poor and uneducated.
Perhaps if we focused our efforts on helping to build those countries up rather than bully their leaders to support our IMF policies so we can exploit differences in currency and gain access to cheap labor we wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.
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Posted by: RobNLA on Dec 7, 2007 4:41 PM
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NAFTA actually has led to the bulk of the jobs lost. Due to NAFTA, corporations have been given the green light to close down shops in the US and move them to other countries. That way, they can exploit cheap labor in foreign countries and make bigger profits as a result.
But the conservative agenda seeks to obscure this issue by placing the blame elsewhere.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 7, 2007 11:13 PM
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That's the official U.S. government term. You would rather he use a phrase that leans one way or another, perhaps?
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Posted by: janey99 on Dec 8, 2007 3:32 PM
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The truth is most illegal immigrants have plenty of documents all of them fake, so to refer to them as undocumented is a misnomer. Illegal immigrant is the proper term, they are in this country illegally using false documents. Perhaps Amy would prefer to refer to them as Illegal falsified doucmented aliens, since she is so motivated to speak the truth.
I actually listen to Amy Goodman daily and she makes some valid points in some areas and she does cover material that never finds its way into the mainstream press. However she is way off the mark when it comes to illegal immigration and the problems it poses for the United States. She should focus her efforts on the Mexican government and its failure to provide an economy that can support its own citizens as well as the Catholic churches exuberance in procreating its way to dominance of the planet irregardless of finite resources.
Wake up Amy and watch your country wither and die under the trampling footsteps from the south that pluck the low hanging fruit from our generous economy and then send it southward to be used to prop up an oligarchy on our southern border while their labor is used to build an oligarchy in this nation.
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Posted by: melindyrose on Dec 9, 2007 7:59 AM
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wasp americans, poor white or not, are easily brainwashable and the kids are on i-pods to escape this thought police.
We deserve better, let's throw the bums out before another karl rove coups de etat in 08.
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Posted by: BenjamminH on Dec 10, 2007 12:21 PM
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There are many people to blame for this "problem" (the immigrants themselves, corporate America, NAFTA, CAFTA, etc, corrupt Latin American governments)
The point is that the workers themselves are the ones who end up being scapegoated. What about the companies who hire illegals? See the current issue of Mental Floss magazine: numbers of illegals are up, enforcement budgets are up, but fines levied on companies are down. Please note the difference between multimillion dollar coroporations that can afford background checks and small farmers who rely on itinerant labor.
Also, what exactly would "strengthening the borders" mean? It's a term used to give polticos and pundits cover. It's meaningless. No wall, no bloated enforcement budget will stop the flow. And don't give me this crap about stopping the incentives. As one of my students put it: If we do that, there'll be nothing left for ANY OF US.
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Posted by: darkhorse on Dec 10, 2007 9:32 PM
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Aztlan is an imaginary idea promoted by many hispanic groups and is used to justify anti-American sentiments. Goodman should have at least the integrity to cite the origins of this myth and not use it in an attempt to wrongly malign groups who report on it.
I encourage anyone to google it and see for themselves.
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Posted by: brianon on Dec 11, 2007 6:03 PM
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Posted by: normpink on Dec 12, 2007 12:59 PM
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Posted by: brauerdave on Dec 12, 2007 4:12 PM
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So why are you calling them “undocumented immigrants”?
Some of Lou’s facts maybe questionable but it is clear that with illegal aliens here there are certain FACTS which are accurate.
You cannot BE a country (i.e., the USA) if you don’t have boarders.
You cannot have laws in your country if you don’t control your boarders.
You cannot control immigration without first controlling the boarders.
Illegal entry into our country is a slap in the face to all Americans.
The illegal aliens have made it very difficult to obtain emergency medical services by citizens because of the vast number of non-citizens seeking free services. Tax paying citizens (and tax paying non-citizens) end up paying for the services along with other (paying) users of the hospital (in which the ER is located).
With additional children of illegal aliens our school districts must hire more teachers, etc. to teach and feed those without resources. The money comes from residents property taxes and from US tax payers and could be lowered or increase the pay of fewer teachers.
Wages of the unskilled/uneducated are lower and effectively lower the wages of more skilled workers.
Although unemployment is low, it is not clear that it is because everyone is happy with their employment or that some have just given up on finding work.
The economic rules/laws work. With more workers than jobs, wages go down. With higher wages then employers are willing to pay, they seek other means to make profit (find individuals who are willing to willing to work for less or use technology to automate the process).
We cannot completely stop illegal aliens from finding ways to enter the US, but we can slow them down a great deal.
Crime from illegal aliens is up.
I believe Lou Dobbs agrees with these facts. If you do, it would be great to know.
Dave B.
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Posted by: sheena2u on Dec 12, 2007 11:50 PM
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If anyone has suggestions as to how we can boycott his show, his sponsors, or tell his station how offensive he is, I would like to hear about it.
He continually spoke over Amy and Juan, cut them off, mocked them and was a conceited bully. Lou Dobbs was shockingly condescending toward Mexican people and toward his hosts. He is a low down, fat ass dog.
Amy and Juan continue, on the other hand, to bring us a thought-provoking and in-depth version of the news. They are the best, and deserve everyone's support. You go Amy and Juan!
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Posted by: olaamigo on Dec 16, 2007 2:45 PM
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If Dobb's reports on illegal immigration, he's required to point out that previous immigrants have been mistreated?
Context goes both ways. When Amy Goodman reports on, for example, the Swift meat-packing raids, she should point out that many immigrants are residing in this country illegally and they diminish the bargaining power of the existing labor pool, allowing big business to create working environments not seen since The Jungle. Or when she reports on crimes against immigrants, she must be required to report on crimes by illegal immigrants. Perhaps Amy is upbraiding Dobb's for journalistic standards she doesn't adhere to herself?
(By the way, Dobb's reports pertain to economic issues important to the lower and middle economic classes, something that used to be important to the American left.)
Is it not condescending to assume the American people are so ignorant of history that they are unaware of the resistance that, say, the Irish experienced when they immigrated? I am well aware of it, but I'm still concerned about the impact of illegal immigration.
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